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00:00For the love of the horse, for generations to come.
00:28And welcome to another edition of the TDN Writer's Room podcast.
00:31My name is Bill Finley.
00:32I'm a correspondent for the Thoroughbred Daily News and also the co-host of the Down the
00:36Stretch radio show on Sirius XM with Dave Johnson.
00:39Zoe Kampmann here with First Racing.
00:42I'm in lovely Saratoga and you can actually finally see Doodle.
00:47He's been doing spot of yoga down there.
00:49He's on the yoga mat and he is flat out.
00:53Just the two of us this week, so you'll have to listen to myself and Bill thrown on and
00:57on and on, on and on.
01:00And the reason for that is Randy Moss is covering the Olympics for NBC.
01:05He's doing it as he told us last week out of Stanford, Connecticut, but his Olympic commitments
01:09got in the way of his doing the podcast this morning.
01:12So I'm sure we'll have Randy back next week.
01:14Lots of dancing horses.
01:16That's what he's been talking about.
01:17Dancing horses, TDN Writer's Room is brought to you by Keeneland.
01:21All right.
01:22So we usually start the segment off with the best races of last weekend and that's the
01:25proper place to do it.
01:28And we start off with the Whitney.
01:29Matter of fact, in a few minutes, we're going to have an interview we're going to play with
01:32Carl Glassman and his wife, Kathy, the owner of Arthur's Rides.
01:36Zoe, I was really impressed.
01:38I mean, how can you not be?
01:39This is a serious horse.
01:40He ran a 111 in the Saratoga Allowance win, a 110 in the Whitney.
01:45Was it the best Whitney field ever?
01:48No, but it was a pretty darn good race.
01:50He had horses like Bright Future in there, the Jockey Club Gold winner, and of course
01:53National Treasure.
01:55He just took it to him, aggressively ridden by Junior Alvarado.
01:59They dared him to come catch him and they couldn't do it.
02:02He's sort of come from out of the middle of nowhere.
02:04You're going to find out in the interview we do later some of the setbacks they've had
02:07with him, but they're right where they want to be right now.
02:09They've got a stallion prospect.
02:10They've got a grade one winner.
02:12The horse will be favored in the Jockey Club Gold Cup.
02:15Go for it.
02:16Well, let me just check my wallet right now, Bill, because I think it's a little fuller
02:20than it was last week because I loved Arthur's Ride.
02:23All right.
02:24So, Bill to the Whitney, six to one on the White Unicorn, and if you're going to try
02:29and beat a Baffert trainee, you've got to take it to a Murley, and that's exactly what
02:34Junior Alvarado did.
02:36He took it to the Murley, and they went honest fractions in there, one, ten, and one for
02:42the three-quarter split.
02:44It's racehorse time.
02:46National Treasure never got off to a good start, got dirt in his face, and he basically
02:50just threw in the towel.
02:52No excuse for him other than he just did not run his race that day.
02:56So Arthur's Ride, much the best, and he finished up in racehorse time.
03:01He really did.
03:02He earned it.
03:04He was feeling well enough to drop Junior Alvarado on the gallop out and keep galloping
03:08along with Junior holding onto the side of him.
03:12So it was just a really terrific performance by a horse who, you know, he first came to
03:20the national stage when he won that allowance race just last month at Saratoga.
03:26So it's been a quick ride for Arthur's Ride.
03:28Yeah, it sure has been.
03:29A couple of other storylines.
03:30It was Bill Mott's first-ever Whitney win, which seems surprising.
03:34He's won so many big races and been around so long, but that was the case there.
03:38And National Treasure finished sixth.
03:43The closest he ever got to the lead was third at any point in the race.
03:47Zoe, I know what they were doing with Arthur's Ride being aggressive, but didn't you think
03:52National Treasure was going to take that same tactic, got to go to the lead, come get me?
03:57And he just didn't have that early lick this time.
04:01He broke it just a tad slow and things just didn't go his way.
04:05I honestly thought he was in a good spot.
04:07And for me, just watching the race, I give him no excuse whatsoever.
04:12Bob simply just said he didn't run his race and that would be one to draw a line through
04:16it.
04:17So I guess we'll wait and see where he shows up next.
04:19I know one thing.
04:21Watching him train the few days leading up to it, he looked great.
04:24And Simon Harris, who gets on him when Bob ships his horses out here, he's been on him
04:28a few times, said he's never felt any better.
04:32So for whatever reason, he just didn't run.
04:34And even if he had run, the way Arthur ran, I'm not sure he would have beat him.
04:41No, I hear you on that.
04:42So is he perhaps not a mile and eighth horse?
04:45I mean, I know he's done okay at that distance.
04:47And then if that's the case, he wouldn't be a mile and a quarter horse.
04:50I wonder if Baffett right now is calling an audible and looking at the Breeders' Cup dirt
04:53mile with this guy.
04:54Well, I mean, he wasn't even a half mile horse the other day.
04:59I think the race is a toss.
05:01So we'll just see where he shows up next.
05:04Yeah.
05:05Maybe he's not a mile and eighth, but he didn't even run half a mile.
05:07Right.
05:08Well, we have plenty of times to delve deeper into this, but just like it used to be with
05:13the three-year-old division, saying, who's number one?
05:16Who's number one?
05:17Dornach took care of that when he won the Haskell to be number one in most everybody's
05:22ratings of three-year-olds.
05:23But how wide open is this race for the best older horse?
05:27Randy's favorite horse, Senior Buscador, is certainly in the mix.
05:30White Iberio, though he hasn't done anything lately, but you can't forget about him.
05:34National Treasure, despite that loss, he's still done plenty of this year and deserves
05:38to be in the conversation.
05:40Kings Barnes won the Stephen Foster.
05:42He's a legit horse.
05:43And of course, Arthur's Ride.
05:44Zoe, among those horses, who do you think maybe will emerge and will be the one we'll
05:49be talking about Breeders' Cup morning and Breeders' Cup afternoon?
05:53I mean, you cannot throw National Treasure out on that one bad race, and he's going to
05:57have a home track advantage at Del Mar.
05:59We know Bob does so well in California, so it's going to be National Treasure if all
06:04goes well with him.
06:06Arthur's Ride and Kings Barnes is training up an absolute storm here at Saratoga.
06:13He's an absolute beast to watch in the morning.
06:16So we're going to see good things from Kings Barnes.
06:19I believe those are going to be your top three.
06:21And I mean, who knows what Brad's got in his bun coming forward as well.
06:26Yeah, he won the West Virginia Derby over the weekend, so it's never a quiet weekend
06:31this time of year for Brad Cox.
06:33OK, the other grade one race was the Test.
06:35There's supposed to be at least one other grade one race on the card, but they took
06:39all the races off the turf.
06:42And the decision on the Saratoga Derby Invitational and the Troy, exactly, thank you, were to
06:50postpone those races.
06:51They're going to run them next Saturday.
06:53Makes good sense.
06:54Don't want to put anybody or any horses into a situation where, you know, something bad
06:58could happen.
06:59So you're going to have a huge card this weekend.
07:01Let's go back to the Test.
07:03I guess we learned something about Ways and Means.
07:06I know the race was taken back a little bit or wasn't quite as strong when Brightwork
07:10flipped over in the paddock and had to be scratched.
07:13She was going to be a main competitor in there.
07:15But Ways and Means, she's found her home.
07:18Chad Brown has done it.
07:20He's found the right spot for her.
07:21She's a Philly sprinter, and I'm sure we'll see her in the Philly Breeders' Cup Sprint.
07:26Don't know if they'll run someplace in between there or not.
07:28But right now, you know, she's kind of a horse that zigged and zagged and never really
07:33found the right fit.
07:34Now they found it.
07:35This is what she is.
07:36Yeah.
07:37She's a one-turn horse.
07:38I mean, if you just go back to her debut where she won by 12 and a half lengths, she was
07:43absolutely terrific that day.
07:45She got her in the next race, the two-year-old race.
07:48And now Chad has figured out what she wants to do.
07:51She looked like a cat walking around the paddock.
07:54She's just long and lean and just so beautiful to look at.
07:58She was just stunning in the paddock.
08:00I did think that Bright Work was going to be her biggest opposition.
08:04I was standing there watching Bright Work just walk around.
08:08When she reared up, she turned over.
08:09She didn't hit her head, but she did have a cut just below her knee.
08:14So they did the right thing and scratched her.
08:16Well, we'll see her fight again, but Ways and Means, she's beautiful.
08:22She really, really is.
08:23You know the scary thing?
08:24As many good horses as Klarovich buys, now they're breeding them, and they're breeding
08:30good ones.
08:31I mean, pretty soon, he might be like, why am I even bothering going to the sales?
08:34This is ridiculous.
08:35I'm just going to breed them all.
08:36It's working.
08:37So she's good.
08:42So let's head out to California.
08:43Now, a horse that really doesn't get probably nearly enough credit for what she's accomplished
08:48this year is Adair Manor.
08:49She won the Clement Hurst.
08:51She's won eight of her last 10 starts and didn't get the greatest of trips.
08:55Usually she wants to go to the lead.
08:57She got shuffled back, and at one point was fifth down the backstretch.
09:01But she looked like she was ready for a big effort, and it did.
09:05She swooped by Selah, that horse that was a Juddmon horse, to win.
09:11How about this?
09:12Can we get this lucky and lucky enough to have an Adair Manor versus Torpedo Anno showdown
09:17on the Breeders' Cup disc staff?
09:19Yeah.
09:21I mean, maybe.
09:22Well, it depends what Torpedo does in the Travers, right?
09:26I mean, if she transfers the boys in the Travers, who knows?
09:29Maybe she'll go to the Classic.
09:30Could be, yeah.
09:31Yeah.
09:32Adair Manor's just great.
09:33I mean, we should just have Randy send in a clip, and he could just do this segment
09:37on Adair Manor alone.
09:39Was she 10 for 18?
09:41She's made a million dollars this year.
09:44She's now a $2 million earner.
09:46She's just the best in the West.
09:49But she's going to be running on the West Coast for the Breeders' Cup, so she'll be
09:52a big play going into the disc staff.
09:54She was great.
09:55I do want to remind you that the TDN Writer's Room is brought to you by Keeneland.
10:00Now remember, the Keeneland September sale is fast approaching, and do you know who was
10:05a Keeneland September Book One yearling?
10:07It was Arthur's Ride, of course.
10:09We're given...
10:10We should just drink every time we say Arthur's Ride on this podcast right now.
10:14Of course, Arthur was the winner of this weekend's Whitney Steaks.
10:17He sold for a mere $250,000 at the sale.
10:21Another Book One grad, neat, kept up his winning streak this past weekend at Saratoga with
10:27his third graded Steaks in a row in the Grade II National Museum of Racing Hall of Fame Steaks.
10:34Make plans to attend the Keeneland sale from September the 9th through the 21st.
10:38We'll be right back after this message from Keeneland.
10:47Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
10:48On behalf of the management and staff of Keeneland, I would like to welcome you to the September
10:51yearling sale.
10:52Good to have you back with us.
10:53The energy at Keeneland Book One is unlike any other sale that you'll go to.
10:58It is the marketplace.
10:59I'm the center of the horse universe.
11:01It's electric.
11:02You can't replicate the urgency that's at Keeneland September.
11:05Quality in quantity.
11:07Keeneland September Book One.
11:09Every breeder's dream.
11:14The Fastest Horse of the Week is brought to you by the Fast Sires at Windstar Farm.
11:18And this week, that is Constitution, whose son, Meat, secured his third graded Steaks
11:23victory with a powerful stretch run to win Friday's $500,000 National Museum of Racing
11:27and Hall of Fame Steaks at Saratoga.
11:30Constitution is the sire of graded Steaks winners on dirt and turf from six furlongs
11:33to a mile and a quarter.
11:34The classic winner in his first crop, he stands at Windstar Farm.
11:38So who is the Fastest Horse of the Week?
11:39Well, no surprise here.
11:41He has something in common with Constitution.
11:43He's the winner both by Tappet and his Arthur's Ride, who got 110 buyer figure in the week.
11:51As always, our Guest of the Week segment on the TDN Writers Room is brought to you by
11:54the Green Group, a tax consulting and advisory firm that specializes in the thoroughbred
11:59industry.
12:00Welcome to another edition of the TDN Writers Room and now we bring in the Green Group Guest
12:05of the Week, should be Guest of the Week because boy, what a day on Saturday, Carl Glassman
12:10and his wife, Kathy, had at Saratoga to have won the Grade One Whitney with Arthur's Ride.
12:16We're joined now by the team, the Glassman team.
12:19And guys, first of all, you haven't been racing that long, so far as I can tell, and you've
12:25been spending some pretty good money at the sales.
12:27Give me a little bit of your background, how you got into this and what kind of is the
12:30major game plan now for your stable?
12:34Yeah, first, Bill, I want to thank you and Zoe for having us on the show.
12:38We listen every week.
12:40You guys do such a great job.
12:42So thank you for that.
12:43Kathy, you want to kick it off?
12:46Well, we were both interested in horse racing at a young age.
12:52I grew up in Santa Anita, right behind the racetrack and used to hop the fence and look
13:00at the workouts.
13:01And then Carl grew up in California also, and we were just really involved in horse
13:06racing.
13:07So it seemed we'd have a horse that ran in the Whitney, that's for sure.
13:14But the plan, really, what happened, Bill, is in the mid-90s, the company that I worked
13:21for had a box, a corporate box at Keeneland.
13:24So we spent a lot of time at the Keeneland races.
13:28Adding on what Kathy said, we both had a foundation in racing from a young age.
13:32Literally, my grandfather taught me how to handicap, how to rear race for him.
13:36Our first date, we talked about the LA Dodgers and horse racing, so I knew I was in love.
13:41But anyway, so in the mid-90s, we were in a small partnership group that Cott Campbell
13:48put together at Dogwood Stable.
13:51And time passed, and we decided when our kids were older and we had the financial resources,
13:58we wanted to own some horses.
14:00We bought our first horse in 2015.
14:03Eddie Plesa, who's still our trainer in South Florida, helped us with that.
14:08And it's just grown from there.
14:09Kathy, how many horses do we have in training now?
14:12We have about 28 in training, and then we have four broodmares that we're breeding.
14:18And some of those are partnerships, and some of them are sole owners.
14:25Where does it go from here?
14:26It's horse racing, Bill.
14:28We count our blessings every day.
14:30As Kathy said, to even have a horse run at Saratoga, to run in the Whitney is still mind-boggling.
14:38And to win that race, I think we're both still on cloud nine.
14:45Where does it go from here?
14:46A lot of it depends on where Arthur takes us.
14:50Since he's come back from his challenges, he's never missed a work.
14:56He's healthy as he could be.
14:58And we just count our blessings where we are.
15:01And hopefully, as you've read, that he'll next stop, assuming he stays healthy, is in
15:08the Jockey Gold Cup.
15:09And as you know, we're so honored to possibly run in the Breeders' Cup.
15:15So guys, he is arguably the best horse you've ever had, right?
15:20So how did you get a hold of him?
15:25Why has it taken so long for him to even run in a stakes race?
15:29Give us the background story on Arthur.
15:32Also, who is he named for, guys?
15:35Okay, yeah, we'll tell you.
15:36We'll unravel that.
15:40He was...
15:42We developed a relationship.
15:44I'm going to make this a little long, but we picked him out.
15:50Donato Lani picked him out of the Keeneland sale.
15:54Donato loved him.
15:55We shipped him to Barry Eisenman.
15:57Barry and his team broke him.
16:00Barry deserves all the credit for the win.
16:04We sent him to Bill.
16:06We were honored that Bill would even train our horses.
16:09We continue to be honored to even be around Bill and his team.
16:15Arthur ran really well in his two maiden races at Saratoga.
16:21He lost both of them, ran second.
16:24It was close.
16:25Then we shipped him down to Gulfstream, and he ran a terrific race.
16:31To break his maiden, looked like he was on the early derby trail, and TDN actually listed
16:39him on the top 12.
16:40He was number nine, saw that on a Tuesday.
16:45That Wednesday morning, Bill called me and said, we have a problem.
16:48We have a strained tendon.
16:51Shipped him back to Barry Eisenman.
16:52Barry did his magic, and he was off for about a year.
16:57Came back, very successfully ran at Gulfstream.
17:03We've taken our time with him.
17:06Shipped him from there to Churchill on a really tough, bottomless track.
17:11Didn't run well.
17:14Never lost the faith in him.
17:17Chipped him up to Saratoga on Belmont weekend, and he won that allowance race impressively.
17:24After the race, I called Bill and I said, what's next?
17:27He said, Jockey Gold Club.
17:29It's the right distance, a mile and a quarter.
17:31He said, but we are going to put him in a prep first.
17:34I thought, I wonder what that means.
17:36I said, Bill, what's the prep?
17:37He said, the Whitney.
17:42I knew that Bill had never won the Whitney.
17:45So to be a part of Bill's first Whitney win, incredible.
17:51Absolutely incredible.
17:53So Carl, I remember running into you in the paddock, and you came up to me,
17:57and you were like, Zoe, I can't believe we have a horse in the bleeping Whitney.
18:02That was-
18:03I still can't believe it.
18:07I will tell you, Zoe, that we got home that night after the race and talked for a while.
18:15We went to bed, slept a couple hours, and I got up and looked at the TDN.
18:21Kathy and I both read the TDN every day and opened the TDN to see if it really happened.
18:30Well, it really did happen.
18:31Carl, congratulations.
18:33I'll pick up on a question that Zoe asked you.
18:36There's a great story behind his name and your father.
18:40Tell us that, and then does that make it even more special that this horse,
18:45the best horse you've ever had, has a name for your father?
18:48Absolutely, that I try to not get emotional here, that my dad was a special guy.
18:55My grandpa taught me how to read the racing form.
18:58I went to the track with my grandpa and my uncle.
19:01My dad raised five kids in a very middle-class background in California.
19:06So while he loved sports, loved racing, he didn't have time to go to the races.
19:12So I kind of had a misspent youth with my grandpa and my uncle and my friends.
19:18And my dad was just such a great guy.
19:21And right before the pandemic, Kathy and I were able to take him to Santa Anita
19:28and tour Santa Anita to take him through the paddock and
19:34watch a race from the Winner's Circle.
19:36And he was so excited, and he loved that so much.
19:39And then in January of 2022, we were all in Goldstream together,
19:45and he watched a horse that we owned in partnership, Break His Maiden,
19:50took my dad to the Winner's Circle.
19:52And he looked like we had just won the Kentucky Derby.
19:54I mean, it meant so much to him.
19:57And the days before that conversation, we had spent a lot of time together.
20:02And he would say, you know, Carl, it was obvious he was getting older,
20:07certainly of sound mind and body.
20:09But he said, you know, I've had such a great ride.
20:11And I said, dad, we've named a horse after you.
20:18I'm sorry.
20:19I mean.
20:20So that's how Arthur's ride came to be his name.
20:24So yeah, thanks, Kelly.
20:27I mean, so after the race, I mean, to have him named for my dad
20:31and my sister Linda was there.
20:34All my other siblings were watching on Fox.
20:38Kathy, who's been through the ups and downs of horse racing with me.
20:43Zoe, for you to be there, it's just been wonderful.
20:49And Junior Alvarado just gave him a sterling ride.
20:55And if people don't think jockeys are athletes,
20:58you need to watch what happened after the race.
21:03I know, it's insane.
21:04What did he say?
21:06Yeah, I mean, he just said Arthur just wanted to keep on running.
21:10He just wanted, he didn't want the race to end.
21:13Yeah, and he ducked a little bit.
21:16For those of you that haven't seen it, Junior came off him and then held him,
21:21ran with him.
21:23Junior's quoted as saying, I didn't know my feet could move that fast.
21:27And put his body, put his shoulder in front of him,
21:30slowed him down, and then pulled himself back up on him,
21:32went to the winner's circle.
21:34And it wasn't until Sunday morning that Kathy and I even
21:37knew that that had happened.
21:38I mean, what just, what a spectacular day in every way.
21:44And guys, you have the full sister to a grade one winner now.
21:49In genetics, went back to the well.
21:51What can you tell us about her?
21:53Because she just broke a maiden in July.
21:56That's right.
21:56Yeah, Zoe, thanks for bringing her up.
21:58When we went back to the Keeneland sale the next year, Donato showed us a filly.
22:03And he said, I love this filly.
22:05She is absolutely a beautiful filly.
22:08And I said, Donato, he really looks at the pedigree,
22:13but he was really looking at how she was built.
22:16And I said, Donato, you do realize that's Arthur's sister.
22:19And I think he knew.
22:22But based on Arthur's early works, we decided to buy the filly.
22:27And she was entered yesterday, cross-entered at Ellis and Indiana Grand.
22:35Call it by the wrong name now.
22:37But anyway, we scratched her.
22:39And she had seven starts.
22:44Zoe, you're right, broke her maiden last time out, in the money six times.
22:48But we're going to sell her in the November sale, with the Keeneland sale.
22:56Our friend, we have a lot of advisors in this business.
22:59And one of them is Len Green.
23:01So to be on the Green group is really important.
23:05But Len always reminds Kathy and I that this is a business.
23:10And it's about timing.
23:11And so Arthur has helped her value.
23:17Absolutely.
23:18Wow.
23:18And Kathy, you're so ingrained in this sport now as well.
23:22And I'm going to give Kitty's Jewel Box Racing a bit of a plug now.
23:26You've gone out on your own with the ladies and Jewel Box Racing.
23:30What can you tell us about Jewel Box Racing?
23:34Well, it's a fun group.
23:35It's a lot of women that don't know much about racing.
23:38So it's really fun to see them kind of learn everything about the racing.
23:43But we have two Jewel Boxes now.
23:45So we have quite a few horses.
23:47We had our first one run with one of them yesterday and got third.
23:52And she was really good.
23:54They get really, really excited.
23:56So it's a fun group.
23:57Yeah.
23:59And we have Kitty Day, who owns Warrendale Sales,
24:04who will consign genetics into the November Keeneland sale.
24:08So yeah, it's a good.
24:09And as you know, Zoe, Merritt Farrell, who does a terrific job,
24:13does all of the picking of those horses.
24:16And we have a woman trainer.
24:18And we have everything is geared after the ladies.
24:24No men allowed, guys.
24:25Sorry.
24:25No men allowed.
24:26That's OK.
24:27That's right.
24:28Well, I'm going to barge my way back into the conversation,
24:30whether you like it or not, Zoe.
24:34You pay $250,000 for this horse at Keeneland September.
24:38Well, that may sound like a lot of money.
24:40It's not in this day and age, especially for a tappet.
24:44We see the tappets that people love are flight line.
24:46It went for a million dollars at the sales.
24:48What was it about this horse that maybe some
24:51of the people with deep pockets, the deepest pockets,
24:53apparently weren't that interested?
24:55You know, Bill, it's a great question.
24:59After the sale, Brad Cox came to us.
25:01Brad trains some horses for us as well.
25:03Brad came to us and said, I absolutely love that colt.
25:07But the people that I'm with are concerned
25:10that he has a little bit too much of a turf pedigree.
25:13So it's the anti-turf bias a little bit.
25:18The fact that his dam was a Canadian turf champion
25:23spoke to his genetic talents.
25:26I do believe that Arthur probably could run well
25:29on the turf.
25:30I suspect he'll never see it, but we'll...
25:34But I think, Bill, I think that's why.
25:36He was relatively early in the sale as well.
25:39And I'll never forget, Donato was so excited
25:43when we bought him, and he just couldn't believe
25:47that we bought him right.
25:49Put it this way, we would have paid more for him.
25:51We paid 525,000 for his half sister.
25:56So yeah, that was one of our few really, really good buys.
26:04Now, guys, he won the race on a wet track.
26:08His only prior race of his career where he didn't run well
26:12was on a wet track.
26:13Did that, the fact that the track was coming up
26:15wet in Saratoga, did that worry you guys?
26:18Yes.
26:19Oh yeah, yeah.
26:21Watched the rain all night, really.
26:25We, you know, I think the difference was, though,
26:29on Oak's day when he ran at Churchill,
26:31that track had never been sealed.
26:34And Junior got off him and said
26:36he just couldn't find a bottom.
26:38So that was the difference.
26:40When we spoke to Bill the morning of the race,
26:43he said, you know, Saratoga's sealed this track.
26:48He's breezed on a sealed track.
26:51I'm not particularly worried about him,
26:54but there were a lot of things to worry about.
26:56The track being outside from a post position perspective,
27:01especially going into that term so quick,
27:04Noah National Treasure's early speed.
27:08So we were confident, but yeah,
27:11there was a lot to worry about that day, Bill.
27:13Now guys, with a grade one win,
27:15you also not only have the winner of the Whitney,
27:18you've got a stallion now.
27:20You didn't necessarily have one
27:22before you got that grade one win
27:23or one that would stand in Kentucky.
27:26I know it's early in the process,
27:27but has anybody been calling,
27:29is that as the process of finding him a stud home,
27:32has anything happened yet?
27:35There's been conversations.
27:38What Kathy and I both know about this business
27:40is what we don't know.
27:42So we'll look to advisors.
27:44I mean, that's the key is we surround ourselves
27:47with people we trust.
27:48Barry Eisenman, Donato Lani, Bill Mott, Eddie Plesa,
27:53John Moynihan, who's advised Stone Street for so many years.
27:58Ryan Mahan, who's the lead auctioneer at Keeneland
28:02because Ryan's a terrific friend of Kathy and I.
28:05So we'll sort through.
28:08And Kitty Day.
28:08And Kitty Day again, yeah.
28:11So we'll look to them for advice,
28:13but yes, there's been outreach.
28:22Bill Mott said, this is a stallion, he should be a stallion.
28:26And he made him a stallion.
28:29In the Whitney, that was the goal,
28:31is to make him a stallion.
28:32So kudos to Bill Mott.
28:35Well, guys, I stopped by the barn yesterday
28:37and went to go and see him.
28:38And he was just laying down in the stall.
28:41He didn't even get up to say hello.
28:44And we were talking to Neil and his lovely wife there.
28:47And she was saying that he can be pretty tough
28:50in the morning.
28:51She said he likes to rear up and he's a bit of a handful
28:54and he's been a bit of a project.
28:56But since day one, they said they knew
28:59he was something special.
29:01The white unicorn.
29:02And that's his nickname.
29:04You dubbed him properly.
29:05And you know that Brittany, his exercise rider,
29:10loves that horse.
29:11And she's done a great job with him.
29:12Neil, Bill's assistant, and the groom.
29:16That team, Bill's team is so good.
29:18Arthur is a handful.
29:20He likes to do his job.
29:22He likes to work, he likes to run.
29:25Bill, you'll like this one.
29:26I asked Bill Mott.
29:27I said, you know that there's only 28 days
29:31between the Whitney and the Jockey Gold Cup.
29:34Does that bother you?
29:36He said, not at all.
29:37He said he loves to do his job.
29:39That's the way we always ran them.
29:41And that spacing doesn't bother me at all.
29:45I mean, this is a tough, tough horse.
29:47Bill does love that.
29:49Bill does love that.
29:51I support that.
29:52You know me too well, Zoey.
29:54Yeah, well, I listen to you every week, Bill.
29:56I do think you'd like that.
29:58I had to get that one in there.
29:59Right.
30:01We are a little disappointed.
30:03No pink shirt today, though, Bill.
30:05I'm waiting for next, I'm waiting for Traver's week.
30:09That, of course, is in reference to wearing pink shirts
30:12for Torpedo Anna, as Ken McKeek suggested.
30:15So I got to run out and try to buy one.
30:17No, I still need to have one right now.
30:19So, you got something to say to Bill?
30:22I think, we've got to tell you, Bill,
30:24you'll look good in pink, and Zoey is always right.
30:30Guys, you won the bleepin' Whitney.
30:32Well done.
30:34Again, thank you both.
30:35I mean, it's an honor to talk to you and to be on the flight.
30:39Thank you, guys.
30:41Yeah, thank you so much. Congratulations.
30:42Very exciting.
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32:43Now, if I sound a little huskier than usual, it's because it was opening night last night
32:48at the Fasig sale, and there was an awful lot of action going on.
32:52And it was an even bigger opening night at Saratoga for the Stone Street team, as they
32:57sold their charlatan cult, we talked about him last week, out of Goldfield, which made
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33:44Not a bad record, Bill.
33:46Not at all.
33:47The big races this weekend, you'll be at Saratoga and Colonial Downs.
33:51Still feels funny to say the Arlington Million run at someplace other than Arlington, but
33:55I think the Churchill Downs has found the right place for it, once Arlington Park itself
34:00is closed down.
34:01Colonial is a nice track.
34:02They have very good racing there, and I know that people take a lot of pride in what they
34:06do.
34:07Gee, it's an American Grade 1 grass race, and Charles Appleby has a horse in there.
34:12Nation's pride.
34:13He'll be the one to beat, coming off a second place finish in the Manhattan.
34:16A couple of things, in both his starts here in the U.S., he was beaten by stablemates.
34:22This time, he goes it alone for the Appleby team, without any of the others running in
34:27there, some of his other top grass horses.
34:30The other thing I found interesting was William Buick is going to ride this horse, and also
34:35Appleby has some really good mounts and really good horses in at Saratoga.
34:38So, I wonder if Appleby is tipping his hand, or if maybe Buick is tipping his hand, going
34:45with Nation's pride.
34:47You have Ancient Rome coming in for Charlie Hills, second last time out in a group two.
34:52Integration for our friends at West Point Thoroughbreds.
34:55Don't put anything into that Million preview race.
34:57There's only three horses in there, but prior to that, he's looked pretty good against some
35:01tough company.
35:02He's certainly got a shot, and so does Talk of the Nation for Todd Fletcher, Highland
35:07Chief.
35:08Zoe, I don't think I left anybody out.
35:09Who do you like?
35:10And that's the problem.
35:12You didn't leave anyone out, Bill.
35:13It's a six-horse field.
35:16It's the Grade 1 Arlington Million.
35:18Where is everyone?
35:19Where's Chad Brown?
35:20He doesn't run a horse in the Beverly D or the Arlington Million.
35:24When it was at Arlington, you couldn't keep him out of the place.
35:28So where are all the horses?
35:30They are going to get a little bit of rain, like Hurricane Debbie is coming up the coast
35:34and she's coming up fast.
35:37So I'm not sure what kind of weather we're going to get, not only here in Saratoga, but
35:40also at Colonial, because Hurricane Debbie is headed that way.
35:44But I mean, a field of six?
35:47I was absolutely disappointed when I looked at this field.
35:52It's a good field.
35:53Integration for Shug looks really good in there.
35:56And he won that race very, very handily, the preview.
36:00So I think a horse for course angle, you really have to look out with integration.
36:04But as far as the Buick Applebee team, he's a horse to beat, nation's pride.
36:09Coming off a couple of second, third place finishes, he gets Bill Buick, who knows him
36:14better than anybody.
36:15And I think he's going to handle just about any kind of ground.
36:18He's handled yielding ground at Woodbine.
36:20He'll have no problem with some giving the ground at Colonial.
36:24But honestly, a field of six for the Arlington Million, one of my favorite races in the world.
36:31I was disappointed.
36:33Well, something we're growing used to.
36:35I mean, it doesn't matter what kind of purse you put up these days.
36:38I remember when the Arlington Million, when the million meant something.
36:42Now it's just another race.
36:44But I see where you're coming from with that, Zoe.
36:47Now let's go back to Saratoga, because we have not only do we have the four-star Dave,
36:52the feature regularly scheduled for the day, the Saratoga special.
36:55We also have, they're going to redo, or they didn't, we're not going to redo it because
36:59they didn't run it in the first place, but they're putting the horses back in for the
37:02Saratoga Derby.
37:04Let's start with that.
37:05We all gave our picks last week.
37:06So I'm going to stick with Charlie Applebee, Flavien Pratt on Legend of Time.
37:12Now a couple of these horses are cross-entered at Colonial and the Secretariat stakes.
37:16But there is an interesting new shooter in here that was not entered first time around,
37:21Tricary from trainer Graham Motion, who won the grade one Belmont Derby last time out.
37:26So I don't know which race Belmont, excuse me, that Motion is intending to run them in,
37:31but after the Belmont Derby, if he goes in this spot, it would absolutely have to be
37:35a well-liked, but you know, here we go.
37:38It's Applebee, Legend of Time, Flavien Pratt come off a real nice finish behind Tricary
37:43last time out.
37:44So it'll be interesting to see where that horse goes.
37:46And also Carson's run, again, from our friends from West Point and all the work that we've
37:51talked about, about the young man, Carson, who has his physical problems and the relationship
37:57that West Point Thoroughbreds has developed with Wade Jost, kind of always root for him
38:03too.
38:04Yeah.
38:05He's hard not to root for, Carson's run in here, but we are missing a couple.
38:09You mentioned the three that cross-entered, White Palomino was entered last week for Chad
38:14Brown.
38:15He's not going in because now Chad feels it's too close to, I think it's the Jeweling Grounds
38:20Derby on August 31st, 2.5 million reasons why not to run in this race.
38:25So he'll be headed to Jeweling Grounds, Kentucky Downs, excuse me.
38:31So he's not in there.
38:32And also Diego Velasquez, which I found really interesting.
38:36I know we've got some rain coming in and he doesn't handle the soft turf the best, but
38:42I did see him train on the main track the day after they aborted that race on Saturday,
38:50but Aiden opted to take him back.
38:52I believe he wanted to train him on the grass and it wasn't allowed and he took him back
38:55to Ireland.
38:56So we are missing Diego Velasquez.
38:58So the rain has really halted things this past weekend at Saratoga.
39:02It's not looking much better for this upcoming weekend either.
39:06Well, let's hope we get some decent weather.
39:09Okay, the feature on Saturday at Saratoga is the four-star Dave Handicap.
39:14And this is something that, I mean, I knew this, so I can't say I'm surprised, but it's
39:19a grade one grass race run in New York.
39:22Chad Brown has never won it.
39:23Really?
39:24You usually say, oh, Chad Brown's going for his ninth winner in this race, his eighth
39:27winner in this race.
39:28He's run 15 times, has five seconds, two thirds.
39:33And the low point of his slump in the four-star Dave Handicap came in 2020 when he ran four
39:38horses.
39:39They finished fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth.
39:43So can Chad Brown win it with Carl Spackler?
39:45Everybody loves that name.
39:46Everybody from the Caddyshack fans.
39:49But I think this is going to be another lost four-star Dave for Mr. Brown because he has
39:54to deal with William Appleby, excuse me, Charlie Appleby and Flavian Pratt on Master of Bees.
40:00That horse just looked fantastic winning the Maker's Mile by two and a half lengths last
40:05time out.
40:06Before that, he won the Breeders' Cup mile.
40:07He's just got the class.
40:08He's got the ability.
40:09He's got the right connections.
40:11He looks like a horse to me that would be pretty darn hard to beat.
40:14And you know what?
40:15He's not ground-dependent and he's not pace-dependent.
40:19He can sit off a slow pace or he can sit back off a fast pace, which makes him just oh so
40:25dangerous.
40:27It seems like Buick, Doyle, Pratt should have no problem with him either.
40:32So Master of Bees is the one to beat.
40:34You know who I thought was interesting in here?
40:37Major Dude comes in to train a top latcher.
40:40I believe he's a pretty good horse.
40:41He's been working extremely well.
40:43They're going to have to handle perhaps a little softer footing than he's seen before.
40:47And then Cherie DeVoe has supplemented her horse in here more than looks.
40:52They paid some money to get this guy in here.
40:54And he's been training up a storm as well.
40:56So if you're looking for a long shot, I'm not sure what kind of a price you're going
40:59to get because you're picking up a rat or tease, but more than looks is interesting.
41:05And you're right about that.
41:06The prices will dictate a lot of our betting strategies.
41:09So I want to ask you this.
41:10I want to come back to the William Buick situation.
41:13So Applebee has Legend of Time, who will be the favorite in the $600,000 Saratoga Derby
41:18Invitational.
41:19Then in the four-star Dave, he has Master of the Seas will be the favorite.
41:24That race is worth, let's see, where's the person there, $500,000.
41:28What do you make of him going to Arlington Park, not Arlington Park, going to Colonial
41:32to ride that horse when Applebee has such a strong hand at Saratoga on Saturday?
41:38It looks like he's got a chance to make more money at Saratoga than he would at Colonial.
41:42But how do you think something like that went down?
41:46All I can think of is it's the Arlington Million, you know, there's only one.
41:52So you send Buick to ride the Arlington Million, you can ride anywhere.
41:56They've got practice and very able to take over.
42:00So do they like the horse running at Colonial more than they like the one here?
42:05I doubt it.
42:07So I don't know who had the choice.
42:10We'd have to ask Charlie.
42:11All right.
42:12Well, it looks like it's going to be, could be another very good weekend for the good
42:16olf and Charlie Applebee team as they are loaded both at Saratoga and at Colonial Downs
42:21for the Arlington Million.
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43:50Well, guys, it only took over four years.
43:54What's four years when you're trying to figure out the ins and outs of horse racing?
43:58But yes, I actually thought maybe they were just going to hope everybody forgot about
44:03this.
44:04I'm talking, of course, the Saudis with the Saudi Arabian $20 million race, Saudi World
44:09Cup won in the first year by maximum security.
44:13Meaning he crossed the wire first.
44:16That was 1,616 days later after the race had been decided.
44:23They finally came out and did what we knew they were going to do all along.
44:26They disqualified maximum security and they moved up Midnight Bisou and everybody else.
44:32That's a pretty stiff kick in the butt to the owners of maximum security, Gary and Mary
44:38West and Coolmore because the winner's share of the race makes an extra $6.5 million difference
44:47between first-place money and second-place money.
44:50Why they took so long, what was the point of that, I have no idea.
44:55But they finally did something that we knew was going to happen.
44:58After all, this couldn't have happened in the U.S. as we have very different rules.
45:05Because he didn't test positive in the Saudi Cup, there would be no way to suspend him
45:10if we were going by U.S. rules.
45:12But the Saudis said, we don't care.
45:14The trainers admitted cheating with his horses and we think he cheated with his horse.
45:18So forget about it.
45:20We're taking the win away from him.
45:21Hold on.
45:22Hold on.
45:23Hey, Jeff Bloom.
45:24What are you doing tonight?
45:25You're just $6 million richer.
45:26Yeah, yeah.
45:27I'm available.
45:28Let's go.
45:29Yeah.
45:30Honestly, when I read that, I was like, is this an April Fool?
45:40Like why it's just taken so long to come to fruition?
45:44I mean, when we were at the two-year-old sales in the spring, they'd announced that it was
45:48ongoing and I'd actually spoken to Jeff and I'm like, did you get the money yet?
45:53And he said, no, no, no, it's not official yet.
45:56So hopefully, maybe we'll talk about this next week when Jeff has a few extra zeros
46:00in his bank account.
46:02Well, he has it coming his way and job well done.
46:05That was a great, great effort by Midnight Beast through the Philly trying to beat the
46:09boys in that race.
46:10Okay.
46:11So I know I'm sometimes guilty of just getting hooked on different ideas and never knowing
46:16when to shut up about them.
46:18But I'm going to come back to something that I said and it was written before.
46:23I love this horse, Next, that won the Birdstone.
46:26He is so cool.
46:28He goes out in these races and mile and a half, mile and three quarters or whatever,
46:33he didn't just win.
46:34He wins, he destroys the competition, wins by 20 lengths, 22 lengths.
46:40The race that they ran in was really the Birdstone, a mile and three quarters, but it didn't attract
46:46any quality horses.
46:47Of course, he's going to win that.
46:50But they're saying like they like the fact that these longer races, the pace is different.
46:54He can just lope along.
46:55Well, the Jockey Club Gold Cup is a mile and a quarter.
46:57He has won it a mile and three eighths this year in the Brooklyn.
47:02Is that really that big a difference to go back another eighth of a mile there?
47:06And my other point about this is if he runs dead last, which I don't think will happen,
47:11what have you lost?
47:13You just miss out on one of these $150,000 races that he's going to win by 65 lengths.
47:19And if you win, found out, gosh, we have one of the best horses on the planet.
47:24Go for it, guys.
47:25Give this horse a chance.
47:28It's tough.
47:29It's tough because, you know, you don't get that easy lead in the mile and a quarter races
47:34like he's been getting.
47:36And he's a good horse.
47:37He's on top of the world.
47:38Do you want to want to break that confidence in that horse and break his heart?
47:43He's so much fun to watch.
47:44I believe they're going to run him in the Jockey Club Gold Cup and kudos to them for
47:49doing it.
47:50But the race shape is just completely different.
47:53He's not going to get that easy lead.
47:55He's going to be going head to head.
47:57It's just harder for horses to do.
47:59It's like you see these five claimants winning by 20 and then they get put in an allowance
48:03race and they run the same time, but they're running head and head against other horses.
48:07They're not dominating.
48:08And we don't know how good next is.
48:11I can't wait to see him.
48:13And I'm almost positive that they will run him in the Jockey Club Gold Cup, which I can't
48:18wait to see.
48:19But, you know, I wouldn't if there was another Birdstone coming up, I wouldn't blame them
48:23if they ran in that again.
48:25I really wouldn't.
48:26Well, the other spot is the Greenwood Cup, that race on Pennsylvania Derby Day at Parks,
48:30which is a mile and a half or something like that.
48:32Didn't he win that last year?
48:34Yeah, yeah.
48:35Pretty sure he did.
48:36Yeah.
48:37And then he got sick before the Breeders' Cup, didn't he?
48:38So he wasn't going to run in the Breeders' Cup race.
48:41He was going to run in that throwbird after Carolina's race.
48:43It's always part of the Breeders' Cup card.
48:46Anyways, I'd like to see him run in the Jockey Club Gold Cup and then he can run in the Breeders'
48:51Cup Classic.
48:52It will open up a whole new world for him if they give him a chance in that.
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51:14Well, that's a wrap on this week's show.
51:18I want to thank my partner, Zoe Cabin.
51:21Randy will be back next week, won't have any Olympic duties.
51:24And Doodle!
51:25Hi, Doodle.
51:26It's good to see you back on the camera there.
51:29So anyways, we want to thank them.
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51:34people who work so hard behind the scenes for us, our editors and producers, Katie Petruniak,
51:38Anthony LaRocca, and Aliyah LaRocca.
51:41That's it for this week's version of the TDN Writer's Room podcast.
51:44Thanks for tuning us in.
51:45We'll catch up with you next week.