Elon Musk congratulates SpaceX team for 'excellent work' in bringing home the stranded astronauts, addresses 'domestic terrorism' against his company for his association with Trump and more on 'Hannity.'
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00:00As I said in my opening monologue earlier today, SpaceX successfully completed its rescue
00:06of two astronauts who spent nine months stranded in space.
00:10They were only supposed to be there eight days.
00:12SpaceX founder, chief engineer, CEO Elon Musk, he now joins us for an exclusive interview.
00:17Elon, first of all, what a triumph to the human spirit, human ingenuity, engineering.
00:26First of all, on behalf of I know many people in this audience, thank you for what you did
00:30for those astronauts today.
00:33How were you feeling, you know, throughout the day?
00:36I mean, I know I felt butterflies in my stomach and I rarely feel them.
00:41Well, I'm actually usually a little nervous about these returns because there's always
00:47some risk that something could go wrong.
00:49But thanks to the excellent work of the SpaceX team working with NASA, the astronauts are
00:55now safely home.
00:56And so congratulations to the SpaceX NASA teams on excellent work and a huge note of
01:03appreciation to President Trump for prioritizing and expediting their return.
01:09You have been the chief engineer of SpaceX and remain the chief engineer of SpaceX.
01:14It is the first private company to ever make it to orbit.
01:18Walk us through the beginnings of that.
01:20It is not it's something that nobody else has been able to accomplish.
01:25Well, it's quite a long story and there are some books that have been written about it.
01:31But in the beginning, we didn't actually know anything about rockets.
01:34So our first three missions failed, actually, of our Falcon One rocket.
01:38And we almost ran out of money and just barely made it with the fourth launch.
01:43If the fourth launch of Falcon One had not succeeded, we would have failed as a company.
01:47So we just barely made it.
01:50So I have to say that I was not a very good chief engineer in the beginning, but I did
01:54learn over time.
01:56And I think we've gotten at this point to where the vehicle is very reliable and we
02:02are going to be able to take astronauts to Mars.
02:06In fact, we want to take anyone who goes to Mars and ultimately build a self-sustaining
02:11civilization on Mars.
02:12That is the long term goal of the company.
02:14Make life multi-planetary.
02:15I mean, that is a very bold vision.
02:20How long do you think that might take SpaceX to be able to accomplish?
02:25I think we could do it in 20 to 30 years.
02:31So really in a lifetime, if God blesses me with a longer life than I deserve, I could
02:37always hope.
02:38I would love to be able to see that.
02:40That would be amazing.
02:42I happen to have a telescope and I love to look at the stars in the sky and the planets.
02:48I am amazed at the majesty of all of creation and the idea that we even look at the moon
02:53and we can go there and come back or a space station or you launching the hundreds of satellites
02:58you have.
02:59I want to ask you this question, if I may, and it's, you know, every aspect of this
03:08rescue had challenges and danger.
03:12The launch, we start there.
03:14Then the rocket landing, I mean, I couldn't believe you were able to land the rocket that
03:21fell off perfectly where you wanted it to land.
03:24The docking video when they actually connected and got onto the space station.
03:29Then the taking off earlier today was a 17 hour trip leading to the splashdown that all
03:35of America watched today.
03:37Every single aspect of that has danger and complications.
03:42Talk us through the dangers of each phase.
03:46Well on the ascent phase, there's always some chance that either the first or second stage
03:50will blow up.
03:51In fact, it's, I find it's actually remarkable when you see a rocket, I mean, when I see
03:57the rocket, I see a list of all the things that are wrong, all of the ways that it could
04:02go wrong and potentially fail.
04:03So you could have a first stage failure, a second stage failure, a stage separation failure.
04:08The dragon could fail to separate from the rocket.
04:10The trunk could fail to separate from dragon.
04:13There could be a sort of an engine failure on the spacecraft itself.
04:19When it's coming back, it's coming in so fast, it's a blazing meteor.
04:23And if anything happens to the heat shield, the whole craft is going to disintegrate.
04:30So it's remarkable that humans can actually go all the way to orbit and come back from
04:36orbit given the immense amounts of energy that is required to get to orbit and the amount
04:43of energy that must be dissipated upon return.
04:46And then the parachutes have to open, that all has to work.
04:50Now long term, we are going to be doing, not long term, this year in fact, we are launching
04:54the Starship rocket, which I recommend maybe doing a piece on because that is truly a revolutionary
05:02rocket.
05:03Starship is the first rocket that has the potential to make life multi-planetary, to
05:07make us a multi-planet civilization for the first time in the history of Earth.
05:13And that's truly profound.
05:15Well, it was amazing, and I studied a lot of this because of my need to cover it.
05:22At one point, going 17,000 miles per hour, going through 3,500 degrees Fahrenheit, you
05:32have this thermal protection system.
05:35Now we do know that the Boeing Starliner, you know, we know that it had problems.
05:40So these problems that you talk about, we can't take them for granted or get complacent.
05:45Explain how you get up to 17,000 miles per hour.
05:51How do you withstand 3,500 degrees Fahrenheit and the thermal protection system that protects
05:57that capsule, and then the launch, obviously, of the parachutes, which were critical to
06:02slow it down for its splashdown?
06:05Yeah, perhaps we should do a longer segment because I'd be happy to explain it in detail.
06:12I'll do the, I don't know, the two-minute version here.
06:17The Falcon 9 rocket takes off with 1.7 million pounds of thrust.
06:23So you can imagine something that has enough thrust to lift an office building off its
06:27foundations.
06:29And that, and it gets to orbit, it gets to roughly 17,000 miles per hour in nine minutes.
06:37So from zero to 17,000 miles per hour in nine minutes.
06:41And then it's just, when it comes back, you've got that heat shield that's got to dissipate
06:45that energy.
06:46Like I said, you're coming in like a blazing meteor, and hardly anything can survive that
06:51heat.
06:52And if the heat shield fails, you just get vaporized immediately.
06:55So we're really testing the very edge of human ability here, the very edge of material science.
07:03And it's kind of amazing that humans can do this at all.
07:07But hopefully this gives, hopefully for people out there, this is a moment of optimism about
07:13the future, a moment of excitement about the future, and it portends great things for America
07:19and humanity in space.
07:21I'm only going to ask you one political question, just for clarification purposes only.
07:26I don't think this should really be a political night.
07:28I think this is a moment where the country should celebrate the fact that you were able
07:34to rescue them, that it happened successfully in spite of the difficulty, the challenges
07:38and the danger.
07:40But I just want to clarify on the issue of whether or not you had offered to send this
07:47rocket to space to rescue these astronauts sooner to Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
07:53I heard somebody earlier today say, in fact, that didn't happen, when I believe it did.
07:59We definitely offered to return the astronauts earlier.
08:03There's no question about that.
08:04The astronauts were only supposed to be there for eight days, and they've been there for
08:10almost 10 months.
08:12So obviously that doesn't make any sense.
08:15SpaceX could have brought the astronauts back after a few months at most.
08:20And we made that offer to the Biden administration.
08:23It was rejected for political reasons.
08:27And that's just a fact.
08:28Yeah.
08:29You know, I followed this from the very beginning.
08:33Did America and the world make a mistake by slowing down, going to the moon and to other
08:38planets?
08:39Was that a mistake on our part?
08:41I mean, don't we have so many scientific and innovative breakthroughs every time we go?
08:48Well, I think we'll have tremendous breakthroughs if we will, when we establish a city or base
08:56and then a city on Mars, because we'll have to overcome so many challenges that it'll
09:00drive it as it'll serve as a forcing function for the development of new technologies that
09:05will have tremendous benefits to people on Earth.
09:09Let's talk a little bit, if we can, about the health issues that the astronauts will
09:13face.
09:14They were only trained for an eight-day mission.
09:19But there are certainly things involved with returning to gravity, adjusting to gravity,
09:25nauseousness, but then it gets a little bit more serious, a variety of other health problems.
09:31Bones become about one percent less dense for every month that they are in space.
09:36That could lead to issues like osteoporosis or bone fracture, et cetera.
09:41Astronauts grow in space because the spinal column expands.
09:45There was one astronaut, Scott Kelly, he became two inches taller.
09:49And others then, when it contracts, when you come back, then they have some back issues.
09:53They have vision issues because fluids in the eye shift upward to the head.
09:59You can explain baby feet if you want.
10:01They will have some significant health issues that they're going to be facing, but they'll
10:08be OK.
10:09Yeah.
10:10The normal amount of time that astronauts are supposed to be in zero-G is about three
10:16months.
10:17And then really, at the most, about six months.
10:20That's sort of the normal rotation.
10:22And they were up there for almost 10 months.
10:24So that's really going beyond what is healthy or good.
10:28So it's a good thing that, thanks to the support of President Trump, we hope to bring them
10:34back because, really, things get just a lot worse if they stay in zero-G for past a year
10:42or more.
10:43You know, what you were able to accomplish today really is pretty—it just fascinates
10:50me.
10:51I'm interested in every aspect of it.
10:53I think you know—it was pretty public that I bought one of your Teslas.
10:59I don't like the way that people—and by the way, it's like the greatest car ever
11:03invented.
11:04It really is.
11:05And I'm not just saying that.
11:06It's self-driving.
11:07It's got 1,000 horsepower.
11:09It goes from zero to 60 in 0.2 seconds.
11:13Two seconds.
11:14Two seconds.
11:15OK.
11:16Two seconds.
11:17No, I'm sorry.
11:18Not zero points.
11:19It goes from zero to 60 in 2.0 seconds.
11:20I stand—
11:22At that point, I think it would kill you, basically, if it weren't that fast.
11:25It would kill you.
11:26That's true.
11:27But it's pretty fast.
11:28That's for sure.
11:29It's faster than a Ferrari, for example.
11:32Yeah.
11:33No.
11:34I watched it beat my Z06.
11:35I'm like, I thought that was the greatest muscle car.
11:37No, it's not.
11:38I watched the S-Plaid beat it.
11:41You're into robotics, AI.
11:44You are working with Neuralink so the blind can see, and people with spinal cord injuries
11:50may one day walk.
11:51You help people in North Carolina.
11:53You help people in California when they have no communications.
11:57And I watch all of this, and I have to ask, why?
12:03Why do I see people like—I woke up this morning and saw that Teslas were put ablaze
12:09in one of your dealerships in Vegas.
12:12I've seen this happen all over the country.
12:15Bullets are being fired.
12:16Charging stations are put ablaze.
12:18Teslas are being put ablaze.
12:21You have experienced assassination—threats of assassination for you and your family.
12:27What have you done that warrants this?
12:30Because I see nothing that you have done except help our country.
12:34Yeah.
12:35I mean, it's really come as quite a shock to me that there is this level of really hatred
12:42and violence from the left.
12:45I always thought the left, Democrats, were supposed to be the party of empathy, the party
12:51of caring, and yet they're burning down cars, they're firebombing dealerships, they're
12:58firing bullets into dealerships, they're just, you know, smashing up Teslas.
13:03Tesla is a peaceful company.
13:04We've never done anything harmful.
13:06I've never done anything harmful.
13:07I've only done productive things.
13:09So I think we just have a deranged—there's some kind of mental illness thing going on
13:17here because this doesn't make any sense.
13:19Yeah.
13:20And I think there are larger forces at work, as well.
13:22I mean, I don't know who's funding it and who's coordinating it, because this is crazy.
13:27I've never seen anything like this.
13:29You actually tweeted out—and I'll put it on the screen—the level of violence is insane.
13:33It is deeply wrong.
13:35Tesla just makes electric cars and has done nothing to deserve these evil attacks.
13:41You just rescued two astronauts that have been in space for 286 days.
13:46They were only supposed to be there eight.
13:48You helped the people in North Carolina, Tennessee, California.
13:52You have, I think, the most creative and innovative car on the market.
13:57You created Starlink for communications that's used by hundreds of countries.
14:01You're working on helping the blind see and all of these other things.
14:04Is it really come down to the basic you're aligned with President Donald Trump, who also
14:10is a friend of mine, and that you have identified well over $100 billion in waste, fraud, abuse
14:17that our federal government never should have been spending?
14:19Is that what it comes down to?
14:21Yeah.
14:23It turns out when you take away people's—you know, the money they're receiving fraudulently,
14:30they get very upset.
14:32And they basically want to kill me because I'm stopping their fraud.
14:37And they want to hurt Tesla because we're stopping this terrible waste and corruption
14:43in the government.
14:45And well, I guess they're bad people.
14:50Bad people will do bad things.
14:51Well, I know that overall, you know, financially, in the end, yes, they can hurt you.
14:59But the people that they'll end up hurting are the people that work in your dealerships
15:03that may risk losing their job.
15:05The people that they may end up hurting are the people that work on the line and build
15:10the Teslas.
15:11They're going to be the ones hurt.
15:13And that, to me, is despicable on their part, just because they might have a political difference
15:18or perceived political difference.
15:22Let me ask you this, because I think this is pretty important.
15:24You know, the average American makes $66,000 a year.
15:29We're close to $40,000 in debt.
15:32You said to me in our last interview, we won't have a country unless we fix it now.
15:40Can you explain why this is so important that we identify all this waste?
15:45Yes.
15:47The government waste and fraud is so high that it's causing a $2 trillion annual deficit.
15:56So that's $2,000 billion of waste and fraud that's happening.
16:01And the cost of our debt has gotten so high that just the interest payments on the debt
16:07exceed the entire military budget.
16:10And it was just growing out of control.
16:12So the country was going bankrupt.
16:13It's just, you know, a country is no different from a person.
16:16If a country overspends and doesn't spend wisely, just like a person, a country will
16:21go bankrupt.
16:23So the reason I'm here is because I'm very worried about America going bankrupt due to
16:28the corruption of waste.
16:29And if we don't do something about it, the ship of America is going to sink.
16:33And we're all on that ship.
16:35You know, and this may be a message to people out there who are wealthy, have a lot of means
16:42or control companies.
16:43It's like, just remember, we're all in ship America here.
16:48Your company is not going to exist if, you know, if the ship of America sinks.
16:53And we should do everything we possibly can to ensure that America is strong for far into
16:58the future.
17:00And we're all sunk.
17:02We're all sunk.
17:03And for doing that, you should not have your company be a victim of domestic terrorism.
17:10If I may, one last question.
17:13You know, when I interviewed you and President Trump together, one of the questions I asked
17:18both of you was, are you aware that there are groups that want to separate you, groups
17:24that would like to divide you, groups that would like to see you not work together?
17:30I feel it's stronger than it's ever been.
17:33Do you get the same sense?
17:36I think they're getting desperate because, I mean, the reason we're seeing this extreme
17:40amount of hatred and violence is because we're actually succeeding in getting rid of corruption
17:45of waste.
17:46If we weren't succeeding in getting rid of corruption of waste, they wouldn't care.
17:51But we are succeeding.
17:54Without President Trump, this would be impossible.
17:56So I'd just like to say, you know, it's only possible with this president.
18:01And we've got this narrow window of opportunity with a House, Senate and a popular vote.
18:09And really, we're just implementing the will of the people.
18:14And we've got this window where we can finally take corrective action.
18:19We can fix the government, fix the country, and create a great future.
18:24And again, it's only possible because of President Trump.
18:27I can't say enough good things about him.
18:31I'm kind of supportive, too.
18:32I'm pretty well known for my support of him, as you might know.
18:36But well, for good reason.
18:38And for all the reasons you're saying, I want to save our country.
18:43We can't rob from our kids and grandkids, and we can't put all that debt on them.
18:47And you're right, none of us will have any business opportunities, because there won't
18:49be any money, there won't be any freedom, there won't be an economy.
18:54Thank you for what you did today.
18:55I know I speak for a lot of people when I say that.
18:58And on the other side of it, you know, your company being a victim of domestic terrorism,
19:05you know, I can't say that I'm sorry enough.
19:09We need to get these people that are responsible for this.
19:11And you should not have to live through that.
19:13Your workers should not have to live through that.
19:15Your company and this country should not have to live through that.
19:17Absolutely.
19:18And I hope you get to the bottom of it.
19:21And by the way, I'm excited about my S-Plaid.
19:23It's the best car I've ever driven.
19:24By far.
19:25It's a great car.
19:26It's what I drive, actually, every day.
19:28It's a great car.
19:29Is that right?
19:30I mean, I kind of made the car that I wanted to drive.
19:32So that's why I like it.
19:33And yeah, that's...
19:34Well, I've got mine on Hannity.com.
19:36People can go take a look.
19:39We appreciate you being with us.
19:40Elon Musk.
19:42Thank you, Jason.
19:44Hey, Sean Hannity here.
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