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00:00Good morning, everyone. I'm Nobuhiro Fukushima, an MBS announcer, and I'll be your host today.
00:06Today's episode of Rakugo no Ojikan is titled,
00:09What is the Charm of Kamigata Rakugo?
00:14In order for those of you who have never heard of Rakugo before to learn more about its charm,
00:19we have invited a few guests from MBS to join us today.
00:26The first guest is Ryu Ito, who is the manager of the Kobe Shinkaichi Kirakukan.
00:35He has been an announcer for about 40 years, and this is his first appearance on MBS TV.
00:41Mr. Ito is one of the regulars of Kamigata Rakugo, which is located in Hanjo-tei, Osaka.
00:46He was appointed as the first manager of the Kobe Shinkaichi Kirakukan in July, 2023.
00:54And the second guest is Mr. Motohiko Shigeyama, who is also an actor in Kyoto's Shigeyama Sengoro family.
01:03He starred in NHK's serial TV series, Chiritotechin.
01:07He was noticed for saying that he was not good at Rakugo.
01:12Since his appearance, his passion for Rakugo has increased, and he has even started to participate in competitions.
01:20Now, the three of us have something in common.
01:27The thing that we have in common is the Hanagata Rakugo Festival,
01:31which is held from April 1st to May 1st in Hanjo-tei, Tenma-tenjin.
01:37This is a festival where young storytellers talk about Rakugo for 31 days.
01:43This time, Mr. Ito, Mr. Motohiko, and I, Fukushima, have been appointed as the ambassadors of the event.
01:51In addition, actress Kanjiya Shiori and NMB48's Abe Wakana have also been appointed as ambassadors.
01:58We have been chosen because we think that the people of Kamigata Rakugo Association are very interested in Rakugo.
02:05Mr. Ito, do you feel a sense of responsibility?
02:08That's right. I've been working at Kirakka for about two years.
02:12Before that, I've been doing a Rakugo program on ABC Radio for over 25 years.
02:17This time, I'm happy to be the ambassador of the Hanagata Rakugo Festival for young storytellers.
02:24In order to liven up the Kamigata Rakugo Festival as an ambassador,
02:28I would like to convey the charm and fun to the viewers.
02:31That's the purpose of this program.
02:34The three of us are talking like we're in a bar.
02:39This time, we have invited Mr. Tama Shofukutei, who is also a member of the planning and implementation committee of the Hanagata Rakugo Festival.
02:47Mr. Tama!
02:52This person chose you.
02:54Thank you very much.
02:56Nice to meet you.
02:59He is the first Rakugoist from Kyoto University.
03:02As a member of the Kamigata Rakugo Association, he does various activities every day to liven up the Kamigata Rakugo Festival.
03:10By the way, what does the ambassador do?
03:15I'm in charge of promoting Rakugo to people who don't know Rakugo.
03:20You're in charge of promoting Rakugo?
03:22Yes, I'm in charge of promoting Rakugo.
03:24Fukushima-san's work is already over.
03:27Thank you for your hard work.
03:29I wish I could do something like this.
03:31This time, I would like to tell you about the charm of Rakugo.
03:37From now on, we will dig into the charm of Kamigata Rakugo with these two themes.
03:42First of all, I want you to listen to this story.
03:46The story of Rakugo is a story that becomes a lesson in life.
03:50There are a lot of phrases that teach us the art of writing.
03:54I want you to listen to this story.
03:58Ito-san, what do you think?
04:01I first heard of Rakugo when I was in elementary school.
04:04It's been 50 years since I was fascinated by the world view in front of me.
04:10Ito-san, what is the story you want us to listen to?
04:15This is it.
04:18Ataoyama.
04:20It's my favorite story.
04:22There are many famous people in Kamigata and Tokyo who have played this.
04:27I think it's really the Rakugo.
04:30With the power of words, I moved from Iro-machi in Kyoto to Nishie-nishie.
04:38I climbed Mt. Ataoyama in the beautiful spring.
04:42Everyone shouted.
04:44My husband scattered the gold.
04:47I went to the valley to get it.
04:50It's a story that can only be done in Rakugo.
04:55No matter how much you use AI or CG, it's amazing that you can see it in your imagination.
05:06I think it's the Rakugo.
05:09There are many scenes, but which one do you like?
05:12It's the beginning.
05:13I'm going to go to Mt. Ataoyama in Rakugo.
05:17From the city of Kyoto to Mt. Ataoyama in Harusaki.
05:22It's about 20 seconds, right?
05:24That's right.
05:25I like this scene the most because I can see the scenery in 20 seconds.
05:33The scene is vividly expressed by Ataoyama, the human national treasure, Katsura Beicho.
05:39I cross the Kamogawa River.
05:41I go further and further west.
05:43I kill the castle in Nijo and go to Nobe.
05:46Harusaki.
05:48There is a mist on the mountain.
05:50The sun is shining in the sky.
05:53There is a shadow under the mountain.
05:56There is a lotus flower on the hill.
05:58I drink it.
05:59The lotus flower is colored.
06:01I'm going to do it.
06:03It's a good thing on the way.
06:06I can see the scenery of spring with just those words.
06:10I can see the colors.
06:12You can't do this with CG.
06:14It doesn't cost more money than CG.
06:16It's really amazing.
06:18If you listen to it with the achievements of the mayor of Beicho.
06:21It's really comfortable.
06:23I agree.
06:24It's Rakugo to be able to go in there.
06:28Of course, it's Harusaki's skill.
06:31I think it's a charm that no one else has.
06:33How do you express this kind of thing?
06:38There is a road.
06:40When I change the scene.
06:42I walk on the stage while saying that Nobe in spring is also interesting.
06:50The people who are following me say the same thing.
06:53The scenery is spring and it's interesting.
06:56When I say that I got to Nobe, I do it so that Nobe spreads out in front of the audience.
07:03The person on the stage talks about it.
07:05I talk about it myself.
07:07There is no stage set.
07:10Mr. Motohiko Shigeyama was born and raised in a family of famous people in Kyogen City, Kyoto.
07:16His grandfather, Sensaku Shigeyama, and his wife, Beicho, were only friends.
07:24They have been close friends since they were young.
07:26What is the story of Mr. Motohiko, who has a deep connection with Rakugo?
07:32Here it is.
07:35I was a little shaken when I heard Mr. Zakobashi's speech.
07:40I wondered if it was okay to have such a short-tempered person in the world.
07:44Are you shaking?
07:46I think the person who speaks is also a little short-tempered.
07:51Actually, I was recommended to be a genius after I was told that I was a genius.
07:58A short-tempered person went to Mr. Shingakuno and said,
08:02Mr. Kawara was calm and Mr. Dechi cried.
08:05Everyone is a genius.
08:08I was convinced that he was a short-tempered person.
08:13I was convinced, but when I left Mr. Shingakuno's house,
08:18I couldn't close the door.
08:22So when Mr. Shingakuno left, I told him to close the door a little.
08:27He said,
08:28This is also the work of the emperor, so you shouldn't be patient.
08:32I turned around and sat down.
08:39I thought he was very convincing.
08:44Here is Mr. Zakobashi's genius.
08:47Don't you understand?
08:49I'm always a guest, so if you're a short-tempered person, I'll come to you.
08:53Today, I'll give up thinking you're a short-tempered person.
08:56Is that what you're saying?
08:59That's an interesting example.
09:02That's fine.
09:03Be careful on your way home.
09:05When you go out, close the front door.
09:12What are you talking about?
09:14You're the one who should close the door.
09:16You shouldn't give up.
09:18You shouldn't just say it.
09:20Let's do it right away.
09:23All right, I got it.
09:25It's a good way to live.
09:27No matter what happens, it's heaven.
09:32No matter what happens, it's heaven.
09:37I think it would be nice if everything was heaven.
09:41On the contrary, I think it would be nice if everything was heaven.
09:45I interpreted it in my own way.
09:48That way of thinking was very positive for me.
09:52It's the one scene that gave me the courage to live.
09:56That's a great idea.
09:59I think you're a genius.
10:02No matter what happens, I'm a genius.
10:04I'm trying not to get angry.
10:06Even if you're in trouble, you're a genius.
10:11I think you have a lot of unique expressions.
10:17Next, Fukushima.
10:19Actually, I'm from Miyazaki Prefecture.
10:22I've been to Edoraku since I was a kid.
10:25There are so many stories I want you to hear.
10:29Let's change the perspective.
10:31I'd like to see this with my hair.
10:34There's a story about an eel drum.
10:37Not many people do this with their hair.
10:41It's a very slippery game.
10:43Is it difficult?
10:44It's difficult.
10:47It's a job that's gone now.
10:51A man in a yukata walking from the other side.
10:55I was wondering who he was.
10:58I managed to talk to him.
11:00I asked him to take me to an eel restaurant.
11:02I was going to treat him to a meal, but I had to pay for it.
11:07It's a simple story.
11:10It's not a story that lasts long.
11:13It's a story that's not a story.
11:15It's a story that's not a story.
11:17I think that's the interesting part.
11:21I think everyone has a story.
11:23I want to talk to him.
11:27I'm going to talk to him.
11:30I'm going to talk to him.
11:33I like the desire to be liked by him.
11:39This time, we have prepared an eel drum.
11:44A man in a yukata walking from the other side.
11:51He's coming to me with a smile on his face.
11:54It's me.
11:59He's coming to me from the other side.
12:05I've met him before.
12:08Where was I?
12:11I've seen him before.
12:13I can't remember.
12:15It's hard to work if I can't remember.
12:19Where was I?
12:21My brain hurts.
12:23What should I do?
12:26What should I do?
12:28I can't make it.
12:30How are you?
12:32How are you?
12:35How are you?
12:37How are you?
12:39The story has a long way to go.
12:43If you think it's no use, it's no use.
12:47It's funny.
12:49It's very interesting as soon as you feel it.
12:53It's very interesting.
12:55Everyone has a bad feeling.
12:59Everyone has a bad feeling.
13:01It's a cute feeling.
13:03It's cute.
13:05It looks like a love.
13:07I'm talking about bad things about people, but I like this person.
13:11It's a strange Rakugo.
13:13A Rakugo beginner was recommended by Tama-san.
13:21It's Tokyu Udon.
13:23This is the easiest to understand.
13:25If you hear it for the first time, it's Tokyu Udon.
13:29I want everyone to watch it until they die, as a common sense of the Japanese people.
13:37Why do you think so?
13:39I don't think it's the same length as the current TV comedy.
13:47I think it's hard for other shows to make such a long joke.
13:57You don't know either?
13:59No, I don't.
14:00I put my hand on the udon noodle and I said one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,
14:04and I said, what time is it?
14:06He said, hey, nine.
14:08I said, ten, eleven, twelve.
14:12I knew it!
14:13You still don't know?
14:15No, eight, and now what time is it?
14:18Nine, ten, eleven.
14:22What?
14:26You're going to eat the whole udon noodle?
14:29You're good at this kind of thing!
14:32If you hear something funny like that, you have to do it!
14:35You have to do it!
14:36That's not good!
14:37A stupid person like you can't do it by yourself, so stop it!
14:39If you hear something funny like that, you have to do it!
14:41That's not good!
14:42Do you think it's funny?
14:43Yes, he had a lot of time to prepare.
14:47He was already watching the show.
14:48Yes, he was.
14:49The more you do it carefully, the more you can see the important parts of Rakugo.
14:57I think it's the easiest work for everyone to understand.
15:01It's the same structure as Tensai.
15:04Atagoyama and Unagi no Taiko have a story in each scene,
15:10but it's like drawing something interesting.
15:13Toki Udon is pretending to sleep all the time.
15:18There's a technique to make it work.
15:21And at the end, it's like a blur.
15:24Recently, there's a very easy-to-understand comedy called M-1.
15:28It's really popular, but it's four minutes long.
15:30It's funny in four minutes.
15:32In TikTok, it's funny in about 10 seconds.
15:35There's no other way to make people laugh.
15:40I was surprised to hear that from someone from ABC.
15:43I look forward to working with M-1.
15:47In that sense, I think it's important to be able to enjoy it in that rhythm.
15:52And enjoying what you can see ahead of you
15:56may be something that modern people have forgotten.
15:59You're going to see all the stories you're talking about, right?
16:02That's right.
16:03It may not be just Rakugo,
16:06but I think it's possible because it's a stage performance.
16:10Let's move on to this theme.
16:13Watashi-ryu Rakugo-kai Yose-no-Tanoshimikata.
16:16Rakugo-zuki-ga-Ashi-wo-Hakobu-no-ga
16:19Tenma-Tenjin-Hanjoutei-ya
16:22Ito-san-ga-Shihainin-wo-Tsutomeru
16:24Koube-Shinkai-ichi-Kirakukan-na-do-no-Yose-Goya
16:27Ittai Rakugo 2-wa Don-na-Tanoshimikata-wo-Shite-iru-no-deshou-ka
16:32Mazu-wa Motohiko-san-kara Kiite-ikimasu
16:36Here it is.
16:38You didn't think of anything.
16:41I didn't think of anything.
16:43It's simple.
16:44I think it's okay to start with going to Yose.
16:49Hanagata's Rakugo Festival is also Hanjoutei.
16:53I don't think everyone understands the atmosphere of Hanjoutei.
16:59The lanterns are lined up in the center of the shopping district.
17:06When you get to the station, you feel like you're in Rakugo-ka.
17:12I think it's good to say everything.
17:14Let's go to Hanjoutei from now on.
17:17This shopping district is very lively today.
17:20Everyone goes to Hanagata, right?
17:24This is Hanjoutei.
17:26I wonder if the lanterns are lined up.
17:28I think there are a lot of names on the lanterns.
17:31This person only has a color.
17:32What does this mean?
17:33Let's ask.
17:34If you say everything, you can be in Rakugo-ka all day.
17:40I think it's best to go with that kind of feeling.
17:43I think it's better not to think about anything.
17:47I don't think about anything all the time.
17:49That's right.
17:50I think it's very important not to think about anything.
17:53Can I ask Mr. Ito?
17:55I think this is it.
17:58Yes.
17:59It's a baseball bat.
18:01Imagine a baseball bat.
18:03If you come out with a bird, it's a baseball bat.
18:07It's like Oyama.
18:11The baseball bat is also very important.
18:15If you look closely, you can see that the first base is good.
18:19It's cool, but the second base is good.
18:23It's fun to watch baseball.
18:25The same goes for Yose.
18:26Of course, the bird is a long story.
18:29If you play baseball, you get a point.
18:33Until then, there are many jobs.
18:38Yose is made like that.
18:41There are many roles for various people.
18:44It's very interesting to see that everyone is going to get a point at the end.
18:51That's right.
18:52The people who decide the order are also thinking about that.
18:57The bird is a story that the audience will hear in a lot of time.
19:03I'm going to push the time in the middle.
19:06People who make me laugh while freeing up time are involved.
19:12I have to make people laugh around here.
19:16People who are chosen to make people laugh.
19:20Each person has a role.
19:23Yose needs people like Sato Teruaki.
19:28It's a home run, but it's a good chance.
19:31It's fun to watch when you get a point.
19:35There are people who are good at hitting and people who are out of hits.
19:41It's fun to see people who are out of hits.
19:46It's fun to see people who are out of hits.
19:50I've seen a lot of home runs, so I don't care if I'm out of hits.
19:57It's fun to see people who are out of hits.
20:02What about you, Fukushima?
20:04I have a question for you.
20:08I think it's important to go easy.
20:13In the case of Yose, I think it's important to go to kill time.
20:19I didn't think I'd go today, but I'll go home after seeing one or two seats.
20:23I think it's better to look at it that way.
20:27If you say you're going to watch a home run today, you'll be out of hits.
20:33I was working at Kirakkan, and I got a phone call.
20:37What kind of clothes should I wear to Kirakkan?
20:41Dress code?
20:43I want you to dress comfortably.
20:48I've been telling you to dress comfortably.
20:53That's the world, isn't it?
20:55I think it's easier to do it if you look at it that way.
21:05The reception is so wide that the audience gets lost.
21:09I think it's an entertainment that's easy to get into in everyday life.
21:13I don't care if I'm dressed up a little bit.
21:18You can get into it.
21:20You can get into it.
21:22You can say, I want to go flat.
21:26I think it's a strange kind of entertainment.
21:29I think it's better to watch it in a way that fits your condition.
21:38Ito-san, Motohiko-san, and I, Fukushima, have been appointed event ambassadors.
21:48From April 1st to May 1st, it will be held at Tenma Tenjin Hanjō-tei.
21:53The Hanagata Rakuoka Festival is a new event where a total of 31 speakers will decorate the bird's nest during the day.
22:04There are a lot of Rakuoka speakers, so I think it's a good idea to find someone you like.
22:11I'd like you to find a Rakuoka speaker you like.
22:14As an ambassador, please give us your enthusiasm and support for the success of the event.
22:20Ito-san, what do you think?
22:22There are a lot of really good Rakuoka speakers, so I'd like you to touch them.
22:28It doesn't matter if it's a car accident or something else.
22:31All of you are great.
22:33It's really great.
22:35Please come and see it.
22:37I'd like you to recognize his talent and his unique role in baseball.
22:47Thank you very much.
22:49Motohiko-san, please.
22:51To be clear, I'd rather go to Hanjō-tei in April than go to Nōgakudo.
22:58I'd rather go to Hanjō-tei in April than go to Nōgakudo.
23:05I really want to enjoy it.
23:08I don't have many opportunities like this, so I'd like to go to a lot of places and listen to a lot of Rakuoka speakers.
23:22I want to enjoy it with everyone.
23:25I'll tell you when I go to Hanjō-tei on social media.
23:29Let's all go to Hanjō-tei together.
23:31I'd like you to find me in the audience.
23:33Thank you very much.
23:35Fugushima-san, what do you think?
23:37I also took on the role of an ambassador.
23:41I wanted to convey all the Rakuoka language, not just the Kamigata Rakuoka language, to the TV media.
23:50I think it's important for everyone to know the Rakuoka language.
23:59Finally, he expressed the charm of the Kamigata Rakuoka language in one word.
24:05It's funny.
24:08Ito-san, what do you think?
24:10After watching it, I feel really good.
24:14I think the great thing about the Kamigata Rakuoka language is that it makes you feel warm when you hear it.
24:25Motoyuki-san, what do you think?
24:27I always think that after listening to a good Rakuoka language, I want to tell that Rakuoka language to others.
24:35I can't do it when I'm told what kind of story I did.
24:41After that, I want to go together next time.
24:45There are a lot of people who listen to the Kamigata Rakuoka language.
24:50I think the charm of the Kamigata Rakuoka language is to bring the atmosphere of the fairy home.
24:58If I can share it with my family and friends, I think there will be more customers.
25:04I think that's the charm of the Kamigata Rakuoka language.
25:07I think the charm of the Kamigata Rakuoka language is to enjoy both the world of Kamigata Rakuoka language and the world of Kamigata Rakuoka language.
25:15I really want to liven up the Kamigata Rakuoka language.
25:20Everyone, please come to this fair.
25:23Thank you for your busy time today.
25:26Please continue to be an ambassador.