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00:00Dr. Miftah, you have been a finance minister also.
00:03They are saying, okay, enforce it.
00:05They are saying, don't doubt our intentions.
00:09Everything will be fine.
00:10No, no.
00:14I have a friend, Mirza Asadullah Khan.
00:16He said, if we had lived on your promise,
00:19we would have died of happiness if we had faith.
00:23Sir, all these things are just words.
00:26There is no weight to it.
00:28The government that cannot make a commission for the NFC,
00:33the government that has promised the IMF
00:35that it will make a national finance pact
00:37and will transfer its expenses to the sub-districts
00:41and could not make a single penny,
00:43the government that had promised to put an agriculture tax on time
00:46and will start collecting, but could not do it,
00:49the government that…
00:50Look, let me tell you, they have not made a single reform yet.
00:53All these things that we are doing, they are doing.
00:55But you people have not made a single reform.
00:57Now, I am giving you an example.
01:00When it rained badly in Dubai a couple of years ago,
01:04all the people's party members went to the city of Dubai
01:07and started posting pictures saying,
01:08look, Dubai is also drowning, Dubai is also drowning.
01:10They never thought that in Karachi,
01:12because it rains more in Karachi than in Dubai,
01:14that they should arrange for rain in Karachi.
01:16They will not be able to do this.
01:17But they will show that in the world,
01:19there is destruction and destruction everywhere.
01:22We are not the only ones who are destroyed.
01:24So, it is not that the PIA should privatize it
01:26or the Disco should privatize it.
01:29Look, even the people of India have failed.
01:31In India, the tax rates have been reduced.
01:33You people were not able to finalize a couple of discourses.
01:37I remember at one time, Mohammad Zubair used to say
01:39that our decisions had already been made,
01:41things had already been finalized.
01:46Are you asking me?
01:46You also know the answer to this.
01:48Yes, yes, I am asking you.
01:50The chairmen of the Privatization Commission,
01:54who did not let the PIA be privatized,
01:56they had refused to privatize Mr. Zubair at that time,
02:00because they do not believe in privatization.
02:02But in the Muslim League, the truth is that
02:04Mian Nawaz Sharif used to believe in privatization,
02:08but Mr. Dar and Mr. Shabaz Sharif do not believe at all.
02:11By the way, there is no difference between them.
02:14But both are right that everything should be kept in the state,
02:17everything should be kept with the state,
02:19everything should be kept with the state.
02:20They do not want to do privatization.
02:22And it is obvious that there are distribution companies,
02:25they have cars, they have jeeps.
02:27Otherwise, you say to the secretary or the additional secretary
02:30that you are sitting in a 1300cc car.
02:32But it is obvious that that is against the dignity.
02:35So, if you want a land cruiser,
02:37they can get you a Disco East,
02:39they can get you a PIA,
02:41they cannot get you a ministry.
02:43So, no bureaucrat wants to be privatized.
02:45Dr. Mirza, do you realistically think
02:48that any Disco will be privatized in the next 12 months?
02:53Do you think PIA will be privatized?
02:55Do you think there will be any meaningful transaction
02:57in the privatization?
03:00Look, there will be no Disco in 12 months,
03:03I guarantee it.
03:05Everyone knows it, even my brother knows
03:07that Disco cannot be in 12 months.
03:09As far as PIA is concerned,
03:11now it has been taken from Mr. Dar.
03:15Mr. Rana, tell me one thing,
03:17there were huge financial losses.
03:18I remember, there was a PTI government.
03:21At that time,
03:22$3 billion, $3 billion was given to Turf.
03:25And to 628 people.
03:28And 0% markup.
03:30We did not get any result from that.
03:32We did not get any jump in our exports.
03:34Nothing.
03:35Why don't you open such cases?
03:37All these cases have disappeared.
03:41Look, the distribution was done through commercial banks.
03:46The policy was flawed.
03:47But if you look into it,
03:50there was no corruption.
03:52The banks lent the money.
03:54And the banks are recovering the money.
03:57Look, our focus is on economic reforms.
04:03And we are focusing on that.
04:04Let me make a correction.
04:05Prime Minister Shabaz Sharif,
04:07is totally focused on privatization.
04:10The right-sizing committee that we are working on.
04:14We have been focusing on that for 15 years.
04:17We used to listen to you in every government.
04:19The focus is in its place.
04:23No, you see, the PIA's bidding...
04:25When will you walk the talk?
04:26That is the question.
04:27When will you walk the talk?
04:29No, look, we walk the talk with PIA's bidding process.
04:34We walk the talk with PIA's bidding process.
04:38It is complete.
04:38If we don't get a good value out of it,
04:41it doesn't mean that it was a half-hearted attempt.
04:45We are learning from the flaws and going into re-bidding.
04:50We are focusing on G2G as well.
04:55We are focusing on airport bidding as well.
04:58But these things take time.
05:00And if you want to hire a financial advisor,
05:04it is a time-taking process.
05:05And the more you shorten it...
05:09Do you agree that the economic conditions of the country are very tough?
05:14The common man is in a lot of trouble.
05:16Do you agree?
05:18On such occasions, as I said in the beginning,
05:21you show a sense of,
05:24okay, we understand your pain.
05:26When more than a crore people are added to the poverty line,
05:32no one thinks twice that MNAs are adding 400-500% to their salaries.
05:38Ministers are adding 800-800% to their salaries.
05:43And again, as Mr. Mifta said,
05:44it is not about the amount.
05:46How much money?
05:47It may be a few crores.
05:49But this indifference,
05:51that the common man is worried about food,
05:54and our millionaires, billionaires, MNAs, senators and MPs,
05:58all of them are adding 400-500% to their salaries.
06:03If such parliamentarians are sitting,
06:06what will the common man expect?
06:07You don't even know how to express indifference to a common man.
06:11It is a far-fetched thing to do anything for him.
06:16Look, parliamentarians don't do charity.
06:20And politics is not a charity.
06:24It is not a job also.
06:27It is not a job.
06:28No, it is a job.
06:31Don't assume that politicians are billionaires.
06:35They can only be industrialists.
06:37Let me finish. I have heard your argument.
06:42Name six people out of 1,250 parliamentarians.
06:48Name six people who are so financially weak
06:51that they are spending on this salary.
06:53Be it MPs, senators, MNAs.
06:55On air, I am asking you to name six people
06:58who will not be able to go home without this salary.
07:00Sir, why should I say that someone is financially weak?
07:03Because there is no one.
07:05Everyone comes in a car worth 4-5 crores.
07:08It has been 30 years.
07:09We know how poor Mr. Khokhar is.
07:12Or who doesn't have a lot of money.
07:16We know all of them.
07:17None of them are poor.
07:19A lot of parliamentarians or cabinet members
07:24don't take salary voluntarily.
07:26They use their private cars.
07:28They are taking austerity measures.
07:30Sir, we know that everyone has passed this bill.
07:33Everyone has taken it.
07:34What do they do with it?
07:36It has gone from here.
07:38It has gone from my taxpayer's pocket.
07:40I am not interested in what they did next.
07:42It has gone from my pocket.
07:43Mr. Miftad, do you know any such person?
07:45Mr. Malik, the logic is...
07:48Mr. Malik, the logic is that for a long time...
07:51He is not a parliamentarian now.
07:53But I know one person.
07:57I know Mr. Imran Khan.
07:59He didn't pay a tax of Rs. 1 lakh a year.
08:02But he used to come in a bulletproof Land Cruiser
08:05under the name of Lee One.
08:08No, no. Miftad, on a serious note.
08:11Miftad, on a serious note.
08:13Can you name five people
08:14who needed this much salary?
08:18Look, listen to me.
08:19The truth is that if you look at the tax returns,
08:21very few people pay taxes.
08:23Mr. Imran Khan never paid taxes.
08:25Mr. Arif Alvi never paid taxes.
08:27If you look at Mr. Asif Zardari's tax and his income,
08:31or if you look at Mr. Shabaz Sharif's tax and his income,
08:34no one's income is according to his tax.
08:38So, you should also talk about that.
08:40Parliamentarians who make laws to take taxes,
08:43they should at least pay taxes properly.
08:45If you are saying that Miftad and Ismail...
08:48Boss, we have run out of time.
08:50We have run out of time.
08:51Congratulations to both of you.