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Changes in Islamabad High Court: President of Bar Raises Questions
Is It Required for a Judge to Take Oath in Another Province? - Khawar Ghumman Analysis
You Disturbed the Seniority of 7 Judges: Islamabad High Court Bar President Riyaz Ali Azad Statement
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Changes in Islamabad High Court: President of Bar Raises Questions
Is It Required for a Judge to Take Oath in Another Province? - Khawar Ghumman Analysis
You Disturbed the Seniority of 7 Judges: Islamabad High Court Bar President Riyaz Ali Azad Statement
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, welcome to the program, from Lahore, Mr. Chaudhry Ghulam
00:13Sain, Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Hassan Ayyub, I am your host, Khawar Gumar, dear viewers,
00:17in Pakistan, one issue which is being discussed the most is the appointment of new judges
00:25or Posting and Transfers within Judiciary, the opposition is alleging that the government
00:32has gained a majority in the Judicial Commission after the 26th amendment, so they are appointing
00:41their like-minded people, the representatives of the outside world, those who have their
00:48own views, those who are being given the name of Court Packing in the legal language, there
00:55is a lot of debate on this, the other day you saw that in Islamabad High Court, there were
01:01transfers of 3 judges from Lahore, Sindh and Balochistan, after that 5 judges from Islamabad
01:08High Court wrote a letter on this, after the letter you saw that there was a lot of debate
01:15on this, so now there are two arguments going on, you can say in so many words, one legal
01:22argument is that when a judge takes an oath of any High Court, after that he can go to
01:29any other High Court in Pakistan and serve, he does not need to take a new oath, but the
01:35second argument that is being discussed, the majority opinion is going that way, they are
01:42saying that no, when a judge goes from one High Court to another High Court, then he
01:47will have to take a fresh oath, the same argument was taken by the judges of Islamabad when
01:52they wrote a letter to the Chief Justice of Pakistan, and the Chief Justice of Pakistan
01:57said that I do not agree with this argument of yours, this is the main topic of our program
02:03today, on which we will talk, the President of Islamabad High Court is present in our
02:09program, Mr. Riyasat Ali Azad, he talks a lot, and he has also started a movement of
02:16freedom of justice, I don't know how successful his movement of freedom of justice will be,
02:22because we see that every day we see a lot of division in the bar, and what is the reason
02:28for this, we also went to know from Mr. Azad, but first of all, Mr. Chaudhry Ittidaz
02:34Ahsan came to our news program last night, in front of him the same question was asked,
02:41and how did Mr. Mohammad Malik frame the question, and the answer given by Mr. Ittidaz
02:47Ahsan in his words, please listen to it.
02:50Do you think it was necessary for Mr. Dogar to take a fresh oath or not?
02:57Mr. Malik, it is absolutely necessary for him, without taking an oath, he cannot become
03:04a judge of Islamabad High Court.
03:07He is saying that without taking an oath, he cannot become a judge of Islamabad High
03:14Court.
03:15After that, another question related to this was asked, tell the reason, Mr. Ittidaz
03:22Ahsan also explained the reason.
03:25It is a simple example, he took an oath, which he has taken, I take my name as a judge,
03:33so he says, I, Ittidaz Ahsan, as a judge of Lahore High Court, will do justice to everyone.
03:44Now he has taken an oath that as a judge of Lahore High Court, I will do justice.
03:51He did not take an oath that I will do complete justice as a judge of Islamabad High Court.
03:58Now if he sits down, the judge without taking a new oath, fresh oath to the new high court
04:05on which he is being sent, then he can say that I have no restrictions on the oath.
04:12I had taken an oath that as a judge of Lahore High Court, I will do justice to everything
04:18including conduct and ethics.
04:21He had taken an oath of Lahore High Court.
04:23Now I have been transferred and I am sitting here and I am being sent as a judge of Islamabad
04:29High Court.
04:30In this, I do not have any restrictions on the oath.
04:33Therefore, it is necessary.
04:35Viewers, when judges are appointed in Pakistan, under which article do they take an oath?
04:46Chiefs of Pakistan are of a high court and judges of the Supreme Court are high court.
04:52Viewers, I will put it in front of you.
04:54Article 178 and 194 are there.
04:57In the name of Allah, the most beneficent, the most merciful.
05:01I, whoever will be appointed as a judge, will take my name.
05:03After that, do solemnly swear that I will bear true faith and allegiance to Pakistan.
05:09That as Chiefs of Pakistan are judges of the Supreme Court, are judges of the high court.
05:14After that, they will mention that Lahore High Court, Peshawar High Court, Sindh High Court
05:20and then onwards.
05:22Therefore, you have to mention there, during the oath, you have to take your name.
05:27And after taking the name, the name of that high court.
05:31Now, the letter written by the judges the other day, in that too, an argument was presented
05:38by the five judges of Islamabad High Court.
05:40That when you, even under the 26th amendment, they explained that if there were such reasons,
05:47then under article 200, which has been transferred, it would have been explained very clearly
05:53that their service will be carried on and the concept of seniority will not be affected there.
06:03But they said it is not like that.
06:05After that, in this letter, the judges also present this argument.
06:10That when after 2010, the 18th amendment was implemented, especially under it, you know
06:18that in terms of self-determination, it was clearly stated in the constitution.
06:22There is no such example.
06:24After 2010, they say that a permanent posting has been transferred.
06:28And they say that he has been brought.
06:31He was 15th in Lahore.
06:33Now he has become a senior judge here.
06:35So now, one of the three senior judges has to be appointed.
06:38An appointment has to be made for the Chief Justice of Islamabad High Court.
06:41So, this whole matter is going on in terms of appointing him.
06:44After that, viewers, the sorts that our team has kept, they have worked hard to get them out.
06:50The names that have been taken, the names that have been taken, which Mr. Ehsan is talking about.
06:54First of all, when the Chief Justice of Lahore High Court was elected on 23rd October 2018,
06:58how did Justice Anwar ul Haq take the oath? Listen.
07:24And in the recent days, you know, in Lahore High Court,
07:27how did Aliya Neelum take the oath? Listen.
07:54As the Chief Justice of Punjab High Court,
08:01I will carry out my duties and responsibilities with the utmost honesty and loyalty
08:14according to the constitution and law of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.
08:24The argument that Mr. Ehsan is talking about,
08:27that argument is being strengthened that the High Court that he is becoming a judge,
08:31taking the name of that High Court, he is saying that this judge,
08:35this High Court is under his jurisdiction.
08:37I will operate as a Chief Justice.
08:40Recently, you saw that in Islamabad, new judges are appointed,
08:44Justice Azam Khan and Justice Anam Inaz.
08:47When they took the oath, which name did they read,
08:50and how did they read it, what name did they take, and which High Court name did they take? Listen.
08:54I, Anam Azam Khan, do solemnly swear that I will bear true faith and allegiance to Pakistan,
09:09do solemnly swear that I will bear true faith and allegiance to Pakistan,
09:14that as Additional Judge of Islamabad High Court,
09:20that as Additional Judge of Islamabad High Court,
09:23I will discharge my duties and perform my functions,
09:33honestly,
09:34to the best of my ability,
09:36to the best of my ability,
09:38and faithfully.
09:39and faithfully.
09:40and faithfully.
09:41And Mr. Ittizaz Ahsan also said last night that
09:44Justice Dogar is under the jurisdiction of misconduct in Islamabad High Court,
09:50in his opinion, in Mr. Ittizaz Ahsan's opinion,
09:53because he did not take the oath.
09:55Mr. Chaudhary, if we do a strict interpretation by spirit, letter, and spirit of law,
10:01then technically, the cases that Mr. Sarfaz Dogar is hearing right now,
10:05he is not a legal judge until he takes the oath of Islamabad High Court.
10:09No, he is not a judge at all.
10:13He is not a judge at all.
10:15And that is a misconduct in his opinion.
10:23It is a misconduct that the Supreme Judicial Council can see.
10:28Even if he considers himself to be a judge of Islamabad High Court for one day,
10:35and he is also a senior most,
10:37then that is a misconduct for him.
10:40Even for a moment, this thought,
10:42and not just a thought,
10:44to act on it,
10:45to come to Islamabad High Court,
10:51to call a case according to the list,
10:56he is not a judge until he takes the oath of Islamabad High Court.
11:01Mr. Ittizaz, thank you very much for your time,
11:04and formally welcome to the show.
11:06You were also present in this event.
11:08The fight is increasing,
11:10and the new judges are also being decided,
11:14but back to this original question.
11:16In the new High Court,
11:18the new oath,
11:19what is your opinion?
11:21Mr. Ittizaz, you are correct.
11:23Mr. Chaudhary, when I come to you,
11:25I second what you said.
11:27You also pointed out that
11:29every High Court has a different name.
11:34Peshawar High Court, Lahore High Court,
11:36Islamabad High Court,
11:37the judge who is appointed,
11:39is appointed in that High Court.
11:41It is not written anywhere that
11:43I am appointed as a judge in Lahore,
11:46so I am also a judge of Islamabad High Court,
11:48and I am taking this oath.
11:50It is not mentioned there.
11:52But I would like to go a step further.
11:55What is that?
11:56Look, the High Court where you are a judge,
12:00you will follow the code of conduct there,
12:03but by virtue of Article 200,
12:05if you are being transferred to another place,
12:08there are three renowned judgments on this.
12:10I say judgments because
12:12these are not today's things,
12:14these are very old judgments
12:15in which the principle has been laid down.
12:17The ratio, dust and die has been held in it.
12:19One is PLD-1996, Supreme Court-324,
12:23which is called Al-Jihad Trust vs. Federation of Pakistan.
12:26In this, you cannot transfer a judge
12:29even by way of punishment.
12:31The second judgment is PLD-1989, Karachi-404,
12:37which is called Sharf Ridhi case.
12:39By the way, there are 17 judgments
12:42on independence and separation of power,
12:44judicial and executive.
12:46But it has also been held that
12:49if there is any such seniority or issue,
12:52then any legal action can be taken on it.
12:54I am talking about Sharf Ridhi.
12:56The third, which we consider India
12:58to be our opponent, enemy,
13:00has a judgment,
13:02AIR-1994, this is an old judgment, 268,
13:06under Article 200,
13:08you transfer a judge to another High Court,
13:11for what purpose?
13:12This is a very important thing.
13:14No. 1, if he is a specialist judge of any side,
13:18there is a case being heard in Islamabad,
13:21D.B. was listening, two judges were listening,
13:23but dissent has come in them.
13:26Now a referee judge has to come,
13:28he will decide,
13:29because there is no such judge in that High Court.
13:32So, by virtue of this article,
13:35any judge who is an expert in that field,
13:39is a specialist,
13:41comes and decides the case,
13:43and goes back.
13:44This is basically his mandate.
13:46In this, there is absorption,
13:48making him a senior peon,
13:50then sending him to the Judicial Commission
13:52as a recommendation,
13:54to make him a chief judge,
13:56this is something you should forget.
13:57Mr. Izzat, Mr. Jajoy wants to ask a question.
13:59Hassan has also prepared a lot for this.
14:01One thing, just one thing, one news.
14:03That judge's second,
14:05which is held in AIR,
14:07in the Indian Judgment,
14:09has two purposes.
14:10That in the interest of general public,
14:13he will be transferred,
14:15or in the interest of administration of justice.
14:18And there can be no purpose for that.
14:21This is in this 94 Judgment.
14:24This is for India, not for Pakistan.
14:26See, English jurisprudence,
14:28in any country in the world,
14:30we can get it,
14:31whether it is Indian,
14:32or British.
14:34See, our judgments are referred to India,
14:37but in the case of Article 200,
14:40what is the wisdom laid down?
14:43What is the wisdom laid down?
14:45Let's move ahead.
14:47The question that is being asked here,
14:50is that the highest offices in your federation,
14:53are the President of Pakistan,
14:55and the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
14:57According to Article 200,
14:59the Chief Justice of two High Courts,
15:02like the Lahore High Court,
15:04and the Islamabad High Court,
15:05in the case of Justice Dogar Sahib,
15:07Justice Neelam Sahiba,
15:08and Justice Amar Farooq Sahib.
15:10And these four people,
15:11whom you have interviewed,
15:13in front of them,
15:14the argument that you are presenting,
15:16do they have any knowledge of this argument,
15:19that they have done all this,
15:21extremely illegal,
15:22extremely illegal work.
15:24What a beautiful news you have spoken.
15:26See, basically they know this.
15:30These judgments are in their eyes.
15:32The thing on which we are protesting and agitating,
15:36that why are they being brought here,
15:38was stopped by 26th Interim,
15:40Syed Mansoor Ali Shah.
15:42And here,
15:43by virtue of this transfer,
15:45the senior Pune judge,
15:47is being stopped.
15:49This is malice,
15:50this is malapiety,
15:51behind this transfer,
15:54which apparently,
15:55on face of record,
15:56it is visible,
15:57that why is this being done.
15:59Now see,
16:00you brought one person,
16:01you made him a senior Pune,
16:03you have disturbed the seniority of seven judges.
16:06And second thing,
16:07he is not a civil servant,
16:09that you tell me,
16:11in article 200,
16:12where is the word seniority written?
16:14In article 200,
16:15it is silent,
16:16whether seniority will be carried out or not.
16:18The three judgments,
16:20which I have given as reference,
16:21have only two purposes,
16:23gain by interest.
16:24Let's move ahead.
16:25Yes, let's move ahead.
16:26Let's talk about seniority.
16:28Let's go.
16:29Entering a Pune office.
16:30It is a question of seniority.
16:32It is a question.
16:33No, no, no.
16:34The judgment on seniority,
16:37which we are discussing,
16:38is in Lahore High Court.
16:40One second.
16:41It is in Lahore.
16:42You cannot ask for seniority.
16:45You cannot ask for it.
16:47No one understands.
16:48When you start a counter-argument,
16:50nobody can understand what you are trying to say.
16:52Okay?
16:53So, listen to me.
16:54I am coming to you.
16:55You talk openly.
16:56I am talking about the law,
16:57not the judgment.
16:58Yes, I am also talking about the law.
16:59We will show you the alphabet again.
17:01No, no, no.
17:02I am talking about the Constitution.
17:04I am not talking about the law.
17:05Give me a judgment.
17:06I am talking about the Constitution.
17:07Not you.
17:08Judgment is important.
17:09The Constitution is important.
17:10No, no, no.
17:11The judgment is different from ...
17:12In the Constitution ...
17:13Everything is different.
17:14No, no, no
17:15The judgment is different.
17:16The judgment is another thing.
17:17I gave a judgment.
17:18In the Constitution,
17:19it is different.
17:20Brother, if he cannot understand,
17:21he will not understand.
17:22Let's move on to the argument.
17:23Mr. Hasan.
17:24You have shown the alphabet to you again.
17:25I saw it.
17:26It is there?
17:27No, no.
17:28I am sure you have a lot of wisdom, but to make people understand, we have people sitting
17:32on the bed, sitting on the radio, listening to your program on a bag.
17:35That is obvious.
17:36You are listening to one-sided things.
17:37Article 170.
17:38No.
17:39You.
17:40That's why I picked you up.
17:41You explain.
17:42Give me time.
17:43According to Article 178 and Article 194, and now we have picked you up, the Muslim judge
17:49picked you up.
17:50He takes the name of that High Court and says that the jurisdiction of this High Court
17:56is under the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court.
17:59I will do all my work in that jurisdiction.
18:02So, now you.
18:03There is another comment.
18:04What is the legal argument against this?
18:06Where it is written that no judge will be affected by this.
18:10He goes from one High Court to another High Court very easily.
18:14Look, the first thing is that in Article 200, the framers of the Constitution have not
18:21mentioned anything about the seniority of the judge who is already receiving the High
18:26Court.
18:27There is no relationship of seniority in the Constitution.
18:30This is from the Al-Jihad Trust case itself.
18:33The seniority principle has been brought by the judges themselves.
18:37Where the framers of the Constitution have protected only one thing.
18:41And that thing is that the judge who is being transferred, whether he has any intent in
18:47it or not.
18:48Whether his will is included or not.
18:51This is the first thing.
18:53The second thing is that the seniority has been kept in it that the seniority that they
18:58have made themselves, the judge who is coming, his seniority will be included at the time
19:03of entering the office as a judge of the High Court.
19:06Where is it written?
19:07Yes, from there.
19:08The day you took the oath, you became a judge.
19:10That is your seniority.
19:11The day you took the oath, you became a judge of the Lahore High Court.
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23:33– Before entering an office, the treaters of a high court shall make before the governor
23:36or any other judge of the court shall make before the Chief Justice, oath in the form
23:41of set out in the third schedule provided by the Chief Justice."
23:46He says that I, Hassan Ayyub, Akhawar Guman or Chaudhary Ghulam Hussain, I am taking the
23:58oath in the form of the High Court so that I can perform my duties in the High Court.
24:05This is what Mr. Ahsan is saying, but what the government is saying, what Hassan has
24:10said, that Article 200 gives over-reaching powers to the federation that they can take
24:16any judge from one place to another and their seniority is not affected.
24:21Now this is the subject under discussion, we are talking about this.
24:26The judge's intent and whose permission is being given by the Chief Justice of Mutalka
24:31High Court and Receiving High Court, then that can come.
24:34Not any judge.
24:35Then there is the punishment.
24:36You see, when there is a transfer in the service law, there is also such a punishment.
24:42What is Article 200?
24:43Article 200 says that you are taking it towards punishment.
24:46I am not talking about punishment.
24:47I am saying that a judge's transfer cannot happen without his consent.
24:52It cannot happen.
24:53This is what the Article 200 says.
24:55No, any judge will be the one whose transfer is over-reaching.
24:59Whose intent is it?
25:00Whose intent is it?
25:01Come forward.
25:02Whose intent is it?
25:03Without consent.
25:04Okay, come forward.
25:05Without consent.
25:06Without consent of a judge.
25:07Article 200 is for this purpose.
25:08The concept of transfer of a judge ends with Article 200.
25:11For this purpose.
25:12For this purpose.
25:13For this purpose.
25:14For this purpose.
25:15For this purpose.
25:16Mr. Babar.
25:17Yes, Mr. Chaudhary, please.
25:18Is this a continuity of service or a new service?
25:22I am talking about this only.
25:23Yes.
25:24I would like to say that, as Mr. Hassan was saying,
25:28the Article 200, tell me in that,
25:31that you have transferred the posting that you are talking about,
25:35is there any purpose written in it, the over-reaching that you are talking about?
25:40Look, there are two types of law.
25:42One is substantive law and the other is procedural law.
25:45In the Article, they have given a purpose.
25:48But the rest of all the things would be explained and delivered by virtue of judgments.
25:55As I have mentioned three judgments,
25:57that under Article 200, what purpose do you have?
26:00This is what they say, that here it will be absorbed,
26:03that he has become a senior peon, that he is for the chief.
26:06This cannot happen, right?
26:08This is by virtue of three judgments.
26:10I have come to your show today.
26:13I am a guest.
26:14Can I claim that I am a guest,
26:16and I can sit on the seat of Khawar and start programming?
26:19Can I become an anchor?
26:20Brother, I am a guest, this is my status.
26:22My real parent job is my lawyer, my bar.
26:26I am there.
26:27If I come to you for just 10 minutes,
26:30The way you speak, it seems that you have taken this position.
26:33On a lighter note.
26:35By the way, Mr. Hassan, in Article 200,
26:37although the President acts on the advice of the Prime Minister,
26:41but in Article 200, neither the Federal Cabinet
26:44nor the advice of the Prime Minister is required.
26:46This is the Constitution.
26:48Show me your hand.
26:50Wait a minute.
26:51It is not required.
26:53Mr. Producer, when it was mentioned in Article 200,
26:56there was a suggestion that during the time of transfer,
26:59a seniority should be carried on,
27:02that suggestion was made,
27:04but it was not accepted.
27:06If you, Mr. Producer, show that.
27:08In this letter, on the occasion of the 26th Anniversary of the Transformation,
27:12he wrote that there was a suggestion proposal,
27:15Article 200, which is being mentioned again and again,
27:19that it should be made one-way,
27:21that when a judge goes from one place to another,
27:24his entering upon office, which Hassan is talking about,
27:26that when his service started as a judge,
27:28his seniority should be from there.
27:30But the Parliament did not include him.
27:34So, again.
27:36I would like to say a small thing on this.
27:39Look, he came from another High Court.
27:42When the Chief Justice,
27:44sitting, let's suppose,
27:46the Chief Justice of the Islamabad High Court,
27:48goes to a foreign country,
27:50after that, the Senior Pune Judge
27:52is the Acting Chief Justice.
27:54In the same court,
27:56under the same oath,
27:58both have taken the oath,
28:00but when they hold the second office of the Chief Justice,
28:04they take the oath again,
28:06in the same High Court.
28:08So, he has come from another High Court.
28:10So, this happens.
28:12Similarly, it happens in the Supreme Court.
28:14The question is not even this.
28:16The question is,
28:18that you have come to the Islamabad High Court
28:20with a judge.
28:22Now, on his seniority,
28:24when the Chief Justice of Pakistan
28:26was asked,
28:28that what is the issue of his seniority,
28:31how will this happen?
28:33So, he said,
28:35when it comes to the Judicial Commission,
28:37we will decide, we will see.
28:39But it was not decided,
28:41there was no verdict,
28:43there were no judgments,
28:45there were no such remarks.
28:47But before that,
28:49a roaster is launched,
28:51and the seniority of the other seven judges
28:53goes back, and they are made
28:55the Senior Pune Judge.
28:57So, the thing is,
28:59the people are seeing all these things,
29:01all the revolutionary communities
29:03are also seeing what is happening.
29:05Have their judicial powers been curtailed?
29:07When the judges came,
29:09they became Senior Pune Judges.
29:11Has Mohsin Akhtar Kiani's
29:13judicial powers been curtailed?
29:15Has his judicial power been terminated?
29:17There is no answer to this.
29:19Just a person,
29:21when a guest enters someone's house,
29:23he becomes the owner of the house.
29:25I am saying a quick thing.
29:27A guest comes and
29:29becomes the owner of the house.
29:33Mr. Azhar, just a minute.
29:35Under Article 175A,
29:37when a new Chief Justice
29:39has to be appointed in Islamabad
29:41or any high court,
29:43one of the three Senior Most Judges
29:45has to be appointed.
29:47So, Mr. Hassan is saying
29:49that has his jurisdiction been terminated?
29:51He has come in the top three.
29:53Leave it.
29:55Hassan is supporting Article 200.
29:57He is saying that
29:59under Article 175A,
30:01the three Senior Most Judges
30:03have to be terminated.
30:05What was your problem
30:07that all three of them
30:09were terminated?
30:11Hassan, just a minute.
30:13Hassan, take the question.
30:15You can't attribute
30:17anything to the Taliban.
30:19You can't attribute anything
30:21to the Taliban.
30:23You can't attribute anything
30:25to the Taliban.
30:27You can't attribute anything
30:29to the Taliban.
30:31You can't attribute anything
30:33to the Taliban.
30:35The law requires a thing to be done
30:37in a manner that has been
30:39prescribed by the law.
30:41If the law says that you can't
30:43hold your ears from the left,
30:45we say that you have to stick
30:47to the sense that you have to follow.
30:49It's written in Article 26.
30:51Let's talk about Article 200.
30:53You can't attribute anything
30:55to the Taliban.
30:57Hassan, what's the problem
30:59with holding your ears?
31:01Why don't you hold your ears?
31:03There's no need for ears.
31:05There's no fresh oath.
31:07There's no fresh oath.
31:09Where is it written?
31:11It's not written.
31:13Fresh oath is not written
31:15in Article 200.
31:17It's transferred under Article 200.
31:19It's written in Article 194.
31:21It's transferred under Article 194.
31:23It's written in Article 194.
31:25It's written in Article 194.
31:27It's written in Article 200.
31:29It's written in Article 200.
31:31Read it.
31:33I won't read Article 194.
31:35Where will you take it?
31:37They have already taken it.
31:39They have already taken it.
31:41They have already taken it.
31:43Article 200 is being invoked.
31:45Article 194 has already been invoked.
31:47They have become judges.
31:49Article 200 is being invoked.
31:51You won't go back.
31:53You won't go back.
31:55You will remain on Article 200.
31:57It has been transferred under Article 200.
31:59Now, they are judges of
32:01Islamabad High Court.
32:03If anyone likes it,
32:05they can judge.
32:07They can judge as much as they want.
32:09They can judge as much as they want.
32:11They can judge as much as they want.
32:13They can judge as much as they want.
32:15They can judge as much as they want.
32:17You say you can't attribute
32:19Mr. Mehla as a judge.
32:21There are so many judges there.
32:23You go and find someone else.
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