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00:00Mr. Kamra, tell us, are you forming an alliance with them or not?
00:04Because they don't even ask you in small things, they don't share.
00:07So if they don't want to take your opinion in small matters,
00:13then how will big matters work?
00:16It is like this, we had formed a committee a long time ago,
00:19in which I was also involved and it was decided that whatever will happen,
00:23we will go on issue-to-issue,
00:27and whatever will happen will happen in Parliament with consultation.
00:30But after that, there was no consultation.
00:33We also complained about this last night.
00:34We were at the Iftar dinner of Mustafa Nawaz Gokar.
00:37Mahmood Khan Sahib was also there, friends of PTI were also there,
00:40Allama Sahib was also there.
00:42Almost all the parties were there.
00:43We said that you tell us this,
00:46on the 26th Amendment, you were involved in everything.
00:50Now you are trying to put all the blame on us.
00:53In the presence of all of them, this happened yesterday, I was present.
00:57The second thing is that we had decided among ourselves
00:59that we will do issue-based politics among ourselves,
01:01and there will be consultation every time.
01:04When did you have a consultation?
01:05Then the third thing is that you have given your name,
01:08we thought that you have to come,
01:10and we were sitting in Mohan Sahib's house till midnight,
01:13and we have decided that we have to go.
01:16So everything happened.
01:17In the morning, we came to know that he is not coming.
01:19And even we did not have the courage to inform,
01:23so in this way, there is a lot of mistrust.
01:28We are human beings, we are not Sufis,
01:32that if someone says that if you slap me once,
01:36I will slap you again.
01:39This does not happen.
01:40All these things come to our hearts.
01:42We are human beings, we are ordinary people.
01:45I don't know, we don't understand what he is saying.
01:47Yesterday, I was also there,
01:49and Maulana Sahib was also there.
01:50And everyone was sitting in Mustafa Nawaz Sahib's house.
01:53That these are the things.
01:54You say this in this,
01:56after that he says that he is fine,
01:58we will deal with these matters in the future.
02:01I am asking you because,
02:03if you form an alliance,
02:05this seems to be a very natural alliance.
02:07Because in KP, all your seats are taken by him,
02:11the political base is controlled by all your PTIs.
02:14You and his alliance seem to be very difficult anyway.
02:18On a larger scale, something can happen.
02:21Ultimately, both of you are political opponents of that power base.
02:25So if that reality is in its place,
02:27and there are so many such misgivings,
02:31then it seems that it is very difficult
02:33for you to form an alliance.
02:35We had digested that.
02:37We moved forward in the working relationship with him.
02:41But after that, the small things that happen,
02:44that such a thing is wrong as a whole,
02:47but its result is good,
02:49that is ours.
02:50In that, we do not even consult with you.
02:52There is opposition.
02:54You are in opposition, we are in opposition.
02:56But we do not want to sit together and take any decision.
02:59When we do not want to sit together and take any decision,
03:01we do what we want to do.
03:03They do what they want to do.
03:05So we complained to them last night,
03:07that for God's sake,
03:09if you say such big things,
03:11let's go together.
03:13But what will happen to these things?
03:16Whatever decision has been taken,
03:18whatever has been said,
03:20that we will do it this way,
03:22we will do it this way,
03:24tell us one thing,
03:26whether it has been implemented or not.
03:28There is no answer to this.
03:30I know you do not want to go anywhere,
03:32so let me ask you a few questions first.
03:34Tell me one thing,
03:36your point of view came out,
03:38you thought that PTI should have come,
03:40it was a mistake,
03:42they should not have come.
03:44It does not matter to me,
03:46because they have Prime Ministers,
03:48they have Chief Ministers,
03:50I thought that on such an occasion,
03:52that person should come,
03:54who has a lot of personal experience,
03:56understanding, knowledge,
03:58from others.
04:00In your opinion,
04:02was it a wrong message
04:04that Nawaz Sharif did not come?
04:06What was it?
04:08Yes, it was a completely wrong message.
04:10And a bigger wrong message than that
04:12he is a leader,
04:14two governments are made by him,
04:16it is possible that all the governments
04:18are made by him,
04:20but his presence
04:22is a very big thing,
04:24and it is a good thing,
04:26and he should have given
04:28his intellectual input,
04:30he should have given a speech in the House,
04:32but he opted not to come,
04:34and I think it was a worse decision than PTI.