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00:00I used to be a Morning Musume member.
00:03My fans would say,
00:05Why are you still here when you're already 25?
00:08Or, please don't do it until you're 25.
00:12The theme of tonight's Deep Talk is...
00:15When I'm wearing a miniskirt,
00:17I'm told I'm not that old anymore.
00:21It's nice, isn't it?
00:22It's nice, isn't it?
00:23When I was young, I was told,
00:25I've never had a new job.
00:28Because they're young, because they're old,
00:31they're discriminated against based on their age.
00:34Ageism.
00:36Ageism not only lowers self-esteem,
00:39but also leads to a decrease in the will to work,
00:41a division of generations, and a conflict.
00:45So, the theme of tonight's Deep Talk is...
00:48Ageism.
00:50When I saw it on X,
00:53if I was wearing an idol key chain,
00:55I felt sorry for being pushed by an old lady.
00:59I wondered if I had to say that.
01:02When I was in the hospital,
01:04the nurse asked me,
01:06Did you take your medicine?
01:08What did you do?
01:10She treated me like a child.
01:12It was so annoying.
01:14I work in a part-time job.
01:16In my 50s,
01:18until my 30s,
01:20I had to take care of my belly and stomach.
01:24But for people in their 50s and 30s,
01:29I thought,
01:30Showa people are strong, so it's okay.
01:32So I felt a little discriminated against.
01:36Some people are trapped in their own ageism.
01:41When I look at social media,
01:43I feel like I'm worrying too much.
01:45When I get older, I have to dress up
01:48and grow up.
01:50Otherwise,
01:52I'm afraid of being seen as painful.
01:55So I save myself.
01:58It's painful.
02:00So tonight,
02:02we're going to talk about ageism in depth.
02:05The night when women roar in depth.
02:12This program is a talk variety for adults
02:14talking about deep themes.
02:16As colorful days on Japanese TV,
02:18we tell you about diversity in various programs.
02:21The theme of this program is ageism.
02:25Did you know the phrase ageism?
02:28I've never heard of it.
02:31It's the first time I've heard of it.
02:33How do you feel about ageism?
02:37I was a Morning Musume member.
02:39There are quite a few idol groups.
02:42When I was in the 6th grade of elementary school,
02:44I joined the training camp.
02:47I made my debut a little earlier than now.
02:51When I was in the 2nd grade of junior high school,
02:54I hadn't made my debut yet.
02:56So I thought I was an old lady.
02:5812 years old?
03:00You're 14 years old.
03:01My nickname was Danchizuma.
03:03My friends said,
03:04I love cider.
03:06While I was doing that,
03:08I ate dried squid.
03:11That's ageism.
03:14Old people don't eat dried squid.
03:17They don't eat it.
03:18They don't eat it.
03:19My sense of taste got worse.
03:23My fans said,
03:25I'm over 25 years old. Why are you still here?
03:29Please don't be 25 years old.
03:32I was divided into 25 years old.
03:36Even if a male idol is in his 30s or 40s,
03:41I don't think it's strange.
03:45When I'm in my early 30s,
03:47I hear that kind of voice.
03:49I see.
03:50How about you, Kondo-san?
03:51Do you feel age-related discrimination?
03:55In the past few years,
03:57age-related discrimination comes from appearance.
04:00There are a lot of things.
04:01If you stop dyeing your hair white,
04:04you look a little older or a little younger.
04:07It's completely the same.
04:09When I was in my 40s,
04:12I went all the way to my 60s.
04:14I see.
04:15So, for example,
04:17people come to me when I'm self-reliant.
04:19I try to help them.
04:21I say, are you okay?
04:23Let me help you.
04:25This is also one kind of ageism.
04:27The elderly are weak to machines.
04:29The elderly have to be helped.
04:31The elderly are weak.
04:33I think about this every day.
04:36The shopkeepers are kind.
04:39They should be kind to you.
04:41When I pay at the ATM,
04:43I'm told, are you okay?
04:46But I'm probably told by the mayor
04:48to talk to people like this.
04:50Let's be kind to grandparents.
04:52That's right.
04:53You have to judge by appearance.
04:55Is it okay to call this ageism?
04:59That's right.
05:00That's right.
05:01I think it's different.
05:03That's right.
05:04It's a big problem.
05:05I'm good at saying things.
05:08I'm good at saying things.
05:11That's nice.
05:12You said, I won't dye my hair this year.
05:14You said that at a very early stage.
05:16That's right.
05:17There are various reasons for that.
05:19The biggest reason was
05:21that I joined Fuji TV in 1991
05:23as a female announcer.
05:26At that time, there was still a bubble.
05:29It was a time called female hole.
05:31That's why I'm like an idol.
05:33I was asked to be young and beautiful.
05:36If I don't, I can't stay in this frame.
05:40It's a threat.
05:42So I've been clinging to it for a long time.
05:46And one day, I realized
05:48that this is a win-win fight
05:52against nature's discipline and aging.
05:58I thought it would be healthier for me
06:01to get out of the frame as soon as possible.
06:05That was one of the reasons.
06:07But...
06:09You're going to dye your hair.
06:11It's okay to dye my hair.
06:13It's difficult.
06:14I'm afraid that people will think
06:16that it hurts because I resist nature too much.
06:20Everyone's heart is broken
06:22by what people think.
06:25That's right.
06:26No matter what people say,
06:29I was able to get out of the frame.
06:32It was very easy.
06:34That's cool.
06:36How about you, Maekawa?
06:38A few years ago,
06:40I was preparing to start a business
06:42in South Asia called Sri Lanka.
06:44I was in my late 20s at the time.
06:46I was preparing to start a business
06:48and trying to talk to various people.
06:50But I felt like a kid came from Japan.
06:53I couldn't deal with him at all.
06:55I couldn't talk to him about my business at all.
06:58That happened a lot.
07:00I see.
07:01Just because you're young,
07:03people don't know what you can do.
07:05That's right.
07:06How about you, Okubo?
07:07I told my young managers and staff
07:10that I can drink until morning
07:12because I'm young.
07:14They said,
07:16I'm young, so I can drink until morning.
07:18Let's go.
07:19I told them that.
07:20You're young, so you can eat this much.
07:23If there's anything left,
07:25you can share it.
07:27That's right.
07:29How about you, Ito?
07:31I'm 54 years old now.
07:33People say that a lot.
07:35The other day,
07:36I put a 94-kilogram man on my shoulder.
07:38What are you doing?
07:40I'm 54 years old,
07:42but I put a 94-kilogram man on my shoulder.
07:44Everyone said,
07:45I got strength and courage.
07:47I thought,
07:48I'm glad I'm 54 years old.
07:50If I was young and energetic,
07:52I would be able to do my best.
07:55But I put a 94-kilogram man on my shoulder.
07:59That's amazing.
08:01That's amazing.
08:02That's what I think.
08:04What people say at my age.
08:06How about you?
08:07I often realize that I'm an ageist
08:11or that I'm discriminating against my age.
08:15In the first two or three years of joining a foreign company,
08:18there was a top salesperson.
08:20He said,
08:21I'm young, but I'm great.
08:23After that,
08:24he said,
08:25It's a world of ability.
08:27I see.
08:28I see.
08:29It has nothing to do with age.
08:31It's like,
08:32I'm sorry.
08:33It's difficult.
08:34It's like,
08:35I can't help it.
08:36I can't help it.
08:37There's a phrase that I always feel uncomfortable with.
08:39For example, when I say I'm 35 years old,
08:41I can't see it.
08:42I thought I looked younger.
08:44When I was told that I couldn't see it at all,
08:46It doesn't matter if I look young or not.
08:49When I say I'm over 30 years old,
08:51I have to change my age.
08:53There's something like that.
08:55I'm told that I'm too old to see.
08:59I feel a little uncomfortable with that fact.
09:02On the other hand,
09:03I'm happy to be told that I'm young.
09:07I think I'm a little biased
09:09about being young is justice.
09:13Mr. Asai, do you say,
09:16I'm 45 years old.
09:18I can't see it at all.
09:19I look like I'm in my late 30s.
09:21I try to avoid talking about age.
09:26I think it's rude to say that I look young.
09:31I'm told that I don't change.
09:34Of course, I say that I don't change.
09:38That's the limit.
09:39I can't use the word young anymore.
09:42It's hard to say that being young is justice.
09:45Everyone wants to be young.
09:47The younger you are,
09:48your cells are younger,
09:49and you have something to do.
09:50There's something like that.
09:52There is.
09:53There is.
09:54It's wonderful to get used to it as you get older.
09:57But there's also the greatness of being young.
09:59It's different to say that I'm young
10:02and be happy about it.
10:04I can't get any reaction.
10:06But in fact,
10:07you're told that you look young.
10:10I do.
10:11But I don't think it's that bad.
10:14It's not that bad.
10:16I get told that every week.
10:18You're happy.
10:19I'm happy.
10:20That's right.
10:21I think it's because I want to be seen as young.
10:23I think it's because I move every day.
10:25I'm evaluated for that.
10:27That's right.
10:28Ito, you're happy to be seen as young, right?
10:30I've always believed that I look young.
10:33When I say I'm 54,
10:35I might be saying that I'm too old.
10:37But most of the time,
10:38I don't get any reaction.
10:40I think I said too much.
10:42I don't get told that much.
10:44In my case,
10:46I get told that I don't change.
10:49I get told that I'm young.
10:51I get told that all the time.
10:53But when I turned white,
10:55no one said anything.
10:57I see.
10:58You can't say that you're young or that you don't change.
11:00That's right. I've changed.
11:02When I say that I'm young,
11:04it's because of my manner.
11:07Especially when it comes to women.
11:09I think that's something I've been taught since I was a kid.
11:12For example,
11:13in a picture book,
11:14it says,
11:15I'm the apple that gives you eternal youth.
11:17That's true.
11:18So I think it's better to be young forever.
11:21I feel like I've been taught that since I was a kid.
11:24It's like,
11:25I'm going to punish you for doing something bad.
11:28It's the same for Taro Urashima, right?
11:30It's like,
11:31I'm going to punish you for doing something bad.
11:35That's true.
11:36I feel like I've been taught that since I was a kid.
11:39I think there's a fear of death.
11:42I think aging is getting closer to death.
11:45People in their 20s are more likely to move.
11:48People in their 50s and 60s are more likely to get sick.
11:51It's called age-queer.
11:53It's difficult to exclude all ages.
11:55It's difficult to exclude all ages.
11:56It's difficult to exclude all ages.
11:59How do we deal with the situation?
12:01But I think being called an age-queer
12:04has a lot of responsibility for the media.
12:07Fukumura-san may be a bit of an outsider, too.
12:11I think it's natural to be aware of it.
12:17But I think being called age-queer
12:19has a lot of responsibility for the media.
12:22But I think being called age-queer
12:24has a lot of responsibility for the media.
12:26There are a lot of people on TV who say things like,
12:29this old lady, this old man, this kind of person is painful, right?
12:33I think that kind of thing is being rubbed in.
12:35Oh, I might be doing something like this.
12:37I might be in pain.
12:39After the war, the media has rubbed in a lot of things.
12:43I think SNS is pretty similar.
12:45Recently, what I've been seeing a lot in makeup is
12:49babu-mi makeup.
12:51Babu-gao?
12:53That kind of makeup is popular.
12:55That kind of video is popular.
12:57Of course, that's not bad at all,
13:00but if it's going to be popular,
13:02it should be the same as senobi makeup
13:04or aged makeup.
13:06Both should be popular,
13:08but Wakamie makeup videos are more popular.
13:12I feel like young people's justice
13:14is being rubbed in on SNS in the first place.
13:19I'm 54 years old,
13:21and I'm wearing damaged jeans and stuff like that.
13:26I sometimes wonder if this is one of the things
13:29I'm trying to show young people.
13:32I'm wearing a fluffy G-PAN
13:35and a Snoopy trainer,
13:37and when I go out to drink,
13:39I'm like, there's no one like this.
13:42That's right.
13:43No matter how old you are,
13:45you want to wear what you want to wear.
13:47Do you ever feel like you're on the outsider's side
13:51because you're so young?
13:55The other day, when I was 36 years old,
13:58I went to a place called Sainencho.
14:01At that time, I was very careful.
14:03I'm already used to going out to drink,
14:08so in order to get along,
14:10I go out to drink and talk to people.
14:13I tried not to invite people too much.
14:15There was a party,
14:17so I invited people to go to the second place.
14:20The people in their 20s said,
14:22well, if you're going, you should go.
14:24That's how excited I was.
14:26I don't know, but I wanted to go with people in their 20s,
14:29but I thought it would be boring to go with Asai.
14:32I thought it would be bad to go.
14:34I felt like I should go with everyone in their 20s.
14:39Fukumura, do you have any other outsiders?
14:42I don't think it's natural to turn yourself in.
14:48For example, there are cosmetics,
14:50aging care, and whitening care.
14:54When I'm choosing with my friends,
14:56I say, of course, it's aging.
14:58I sometimes say that.
15:02I hope there will be no such thing in the idol world.
15:09Yuko Nakazawa has been playing around with old ladies for a long time.
15:17I'm conscious of whether I'm discriminating against someone's age or not.
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15:40Yuko Nakazawa has been playing around with old ladies for a long time.
15:46I don't like the feeling that I can call her an old lady or a scary person.
15:54My junior has been playing around with old ladies since she turned 20.
16:01I don't want to hurt her feelings, so I don't want to call her an old lady.
16:08But now that I think about it,
16:10I wish I could have stopped her.
16:14I wish I could have stopped her.
16:18I agree.
16:19After turning 30, there are more and more stories about old ladies.
16:24I might have been saying that until I was 30 or 32.
16:28But if I say, for example, that I can't drink until morning because I'm an old lady,
16:32or that I can't do this because I'm an old lady,
16:34people around me will take that as a concept.
16:38For example, people who are older than me who can drink until morning
16:41will say, oh, I can't say that because I'm an old lady.
16:43I wonder if it hurts a little.
16:44I wonder if it hurts when I wear this fashion because I'm an old lady.
16:47I wanted to wear it, but...
16:49If I use language as a self-interpretation,
16:51it will get stuck in society,
16:53so I try not to say that I don't need to say it.
16:57I see.
16:58But in reality, you can't drink until morning because you're an old lady.
17:01I can't.
17:04I think there is a relationship between people who communicate.
17:07I often interact with young students,
17:12so I go to a drinking party,
17:14but I reach my limit early.
17:17But I try not to say that I'm an old lady.
17:22I close the shutter there.
17:25I see.
17:35I wonder what to do to get rid of this ageism as much as possible.
17:43I don't think I can get rid of it.
17:46It's important for me to be aware that I'm not discriminating against anyone
17:50or that I'm not making a decision.
17:54It's okay to be fat.
17:56It's okay to have wrinkles.
17:58I think people who say that are discriminating against themselves in the future.
18:02I learn a lot from people who are older.
18:05I think there are a lot of things to learn from young people like Fukumura-san and Maekawa-san.
18:13That's why I want you to teach me.
18:16When I look at you two, I think you are beautiful and cute.
18:21I think so, too.
18:23Please forgive me.
18:26It's not a bad thing.
18:29I think so from the bottom of my heart.
18:32What do you think, Maekawa-san?
18:34Ageism has been a word since 1969.
18:40In the United States.
18:42I've been hearing about it for the past few years.
18:45I don't think I've talked about ageism on TV for 5 or 10 years.
18:51Just by talking to each other like this, the word ageism is recognized.
18:56When you have a mysterious disorder,
18:58you can think about what to do next because you get a diagnosis and it improves your resolution.
19:05People who were worried about ageism say,
19:07It's not your fault, it's because of the phenomenon created by society called ageism.
19:12Even if you just know the name,
19:14I think society as a whole can move on to the next step.
19:18That's why I think it's a great next step to start a show.
19:23I have a hopeful view.
19:25I'm not saying this from my position,
19:27but I'm getting a lot of votes for this kind of show.
19:31Don't say that.
19:32Next time, we'll learn about ADHD.
19:34People who say it's hard to keep up with time
19:37probably don't have the motivation to do it.
19:39I think so.
19:41I'm motivated to do it.
19:42I'm doing a lot of things, but for some reason I can't keep up.
19:45Look forward to it.