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00:00Good morning, everyone.
00:02I'm Nobuhiro Fukushima, an announcer for MBS, and I'll be your host for today.
00:07In this episode of Rakugo no Ojikan, we have a close-up interview with a Rakugo storyteller every month.
00:14Today, we're going to show you how the Rakugo show was held on the MBS Chapra stage.
00:19Are we dating or something?
00:24This is the person we're going to introduce today.
00:27I'm not going to say anything.
00:29Yoneji Katsura
00:33He was 19 years old in November 1976 when he joined the MBS Chapra.
00:39He is known for his graceful style of play and his straightforward way of speaking.
00:43He is also known as the right-hand man of Kamigata Rakugo.
00:50The first performance we're going to show you is Yakuharai.
00:55Toshikoshi is a man who heard that he could make a living by playing Yakuharai.
01:00He went out to the streets, remembering his happy words.
01:19I'm Yoneji Katsura.
01:21I hope you're all doing well.
01:23How was your New Year's Eve?
01:28I don't remember at all.
01:31I don't know what happened.
01:33It's usually like this every year.
01:35On New Year's Day, we go out to the Hanjo-tei.
01:40But at the end of the year, I'm always free.
01:44After 25 days, I have no work at all.
01:48When people are busy, they don't come to see me.
01:53So I usually stay at home.
01:56I don't have a lot of free time.
01:58But I've never worked on New Year's Day.
02:01I really want to work on New Year's Day.
02:04It was a long time ago.
02:06A friend of mine, Hanaya-san, called me on the 25th.
02:11She said, Yoneji-san, are you free on New Year's Day?
02:13I thought it was a work day.
02:15She said, yes, I'm free.
02:16I'd like to ask you a favor.
02:18What is it?
02:19I'd like you to go to the hotel in front of Kyoto Station.
02:22Do you have a party or something on New Year's Day?
02:26No.
02:27I'd like you to deliver my flowers.
02:30I've been doing this job for many years.
02:32This is the first time I've been asked to deliver flowers.
02:36I thought, what should I do?
02:38In the end, I refused.
02:40I'll think about it later.
02:42At least ask me how many flowers I can give you.
02:46I think it would have been better if I said I couldn't do it.
02:50That's what happened.
02:52New Year's Day and New Year's Eve have a very different atmosphere now and then.
02:58In the old days, the lunar calendar and the lunar calendar were almost the same.
03:06So I think it's strange that the first spring is now spring when it's cold in January.
03:11I think it would be the same in February.
03:14In the old days, when it was New Year's Eve, a man came to pay for the medicine.
03:19He came to the factory and said he would pay for the medicine.
03:25That's what happened.
03:28Hello.
03:29Don't get up.
03:30No, no.
03:31I don't have anything else to say.
03:33You're playing around again, aren't you?
03:35I'm trying to make a little bit of money.
03:40What are you doing?
03:41New Year's Day and New Year's Eve have a very different atmosphere now and then.
03:46In the old days, the lunar calendar and the lunar calendar were almost the same.
03:50I think it would have been better if I said I couldn't do it.
03:53In the old days, when it was New Year's Eve, a man came to pay for the medicine.
03:58He came to the factory and said he would pay for the medicine.
04:02That's what happened.
04:04I think it would have been better if I said I couldn't do it.
04:08A man came to the factory and said he would pay for the medicine.
04:15He asked the number of people in the family.
04:20It depends on how many people there were.
04:23If there were children, five or six people.
04:25If there were children in the family, ten or fifteen people.
04:29A man came to the factory and said he would pay for the medicine.
04:33I thought I'd give him a dollar or two.
04:36If you're going to do that, you need to have at least 1 or 2 lines.
04:42Nowadays, there are 5 lines.
04:45At least 1 line is enough.
04:48Normally, 2 or 3 lines.
04:50If you're going to do Harikomi, you need to have at least 5 lines.
04:53If you're going to do Komakon, you need to have at least 40 or 50 lines.
04:58If you do that, it's going to be a lot of Zenikasa.
05:01Zenitsu is going to wrap it in beans and kami.
05:05Kami is going to sell to Shirakami, Sakai, Kamikuzuya, and Takou.
05:10Mame is going to say, I like Mame.
05:13It doesn't matter if everyone eats it.
05:15Mame is Mame, so it's going to sell.
05:17If you do that, do you know?
05:19It's going to sell to Tofuya.
05:22Sakai, you're an idiot.
05:24Tofuya's beans are raw beans.
05:28If you say your beans, it's raw beans.
05:30If it's raw, it's going to sell to Tofu.
05:32If it's raw, it's going to sell to Tofu.
05:35It's not going to sell to Yaki Tofu.
05:38You're thinking about weird things.
05:40I thought it was going to sell.
05:43Unfortunately, it's not going to sell.
05:45You can take it to a street vendor.
05:48You can mix it with sugar and sell it.
05:50It's going to be a street vendor.
05:52You can't throw it away.
05:54It's a good business.
05:56If you get it back, it's a good business.
05:59There's no such thing as a good actor or good sumo wrestler.
06:02You can do it the way you always do it.
06:04You can say it in the usual Yakuhara way.
06:07I'm talking about the usual Yakuhara way.
06:09No, it's a normal way.
06:11It's a normal way.
06:12It's a way that everyone knows.
06:14It's a way that everyone knows.
06:16Everyone knows it.
06:18For example, I'm talking about the Yakuhara way.
06:21Even children know it.
06:22Adults don't know it.
06:24If there are 100 adults, 99 of them will know the name.
06:27If there are 100 adults, they will be happy to know the name.
06:30They don't know the name.
06:31Do you know the name?
06:32Do you know the name?
06:33Why do you know the name?
06:34You can say it in a strange way.
06:36You have been hearing it since you were a child.
06:38You will remember it before you know it.
06:40You really don't know the name?
06:41Oh, you are happy.
06:43If you want to be happy, you have to pay.
06:45The crane is 1,000 years old. The turtle is 10,000 years old.
06:47Urashima Taro is 8,000 years old.
06:49Tobosaku is 9,000 years old.
06:51Miura Nosuke is 106 years old.
06:53If you want to be happy, you have to pay.
06:55The crane is 1,000 years old.
06:57The turtle is 10,000 years old.
06:59That's all you have to say.
07:01Who says that?
07:04Who says that?
07:06You don't have to say it.
07:08You don't have to say it.
07:09You just have to say it.
07:11That's all you have to say.
07:13There is still time until sunset.
07:16I'll write it on paper.
07:18Oh, you are happy.
07:20Don't use difficult words.
07:23Don't use kanji.
07:25Don't use English either.
07:26Who writes English?
07:28I'll write it on paper.
07:30Swallow it well.
07:32What?
07:33Swallow it well.
07:35It's hard, isn't it?
07:37It's really hard to swallow.
07:39In other words, don't put it in your stomach.
07:41With your nose.
07:43Don't put it in your head.
07:45Don't put it in your ear.
07:47Swallow it well so you can say it.
07:50You come home first.
07:52And say hello to me in my house.
07:54Then you go around this island.
07:56Say hello to my house first.
07:58Then I go home.
08:00With pleasure, I came home the next morning.
08:02In her house
08:04There was a big養人籠, a care basket.
08:06In her house
08:08There was a big basket
08:10Essential items are like this
08:12When you do some housework
08:13You need to take your car
08:13And run away there.
08:13There was a big basket.
08:15It's called a care subsidy It's like a housewarming箱
08:17Heizei is nothing but a big cage for two children to play in.
08:24What did this man think?
08:26He brought some glue and paper in this cage,
08:28and he stuck the paper in there,
08:30trying to make sure there was no gap.
08:34He stuck it in, and it lit up for him.
08:37It was late at night, and he was doing this.
08:41Ginbeya, open the door!
08:43I'm here to pay you back!
08:45Ginbeya, open the door!
08:47You're such a weakling.
08:49I told you to come at the very beginning.
08:52Now you've come all the way here.
08:54You think you're making a fortune?
08:56This is the entrance.
08:58You're going to the bathroom now?
09:00That's too late.
09:02You can go to the bathroom.
09:04You're sleeping.
09:06What were you doing in there?
09:08Come on in.
09:10Good evening.
09:12What's that in the back?
09:14What's that in the back?
09:16It's paper.
09:18It's late because it took so long.
09:20What are you going to do with that?
09:22You got it for the beans and money, right?
09:24I thought you'd need something to put it in.
09:26You're such a weakling.
09:28You're going to get a lot of paper in such a big cage?
09:30I don't think it's a lot.
09:32At least a seventh.
09:34You don't need that.
09:36You can put it in your pocket.
09:38That's enough.
09:40What are you doing?
09:42I'm here to pay for the medicine.
09:44I'll pay for it.
09:46I thought you'd call someone else to pay for it.
09:48I'll pay for it again.
09:50There's no one who can pay for medicine.
09:52I don't need that.
09:54I'll pay for it again.
09:56Don't say that there's medicine left in the corner.
09:58Don't say that there's medicine left in the corner.
10:00Go home.
10:02Good-bye.
10:04I'm angry at my sister.
10:06The world is so quiet.
10:08Everyone's asleep.
10:10Everyone's asleep.
10:12But not everyone's finished paying for the medicine.
10:14I'm sure someone will call me.
10:16I'm sure someone will call me.
10:18I'll be quiet.
10:20I'll be quiet.
10:22I don't know what you're talking about.
10:24The medicine is being paid for.
10:26I'm not feeling well.
10:28I don't know how to say this.
10:30I wish I had heard it.
10:32I'll pay for the medicine.
10:34I'll pay for it.
10:36I'll pay for the medicine.
10:38I'll pay for it.
10:40He's good.
10:42He's a professional.
10:44I wish I could say that.
10:46I don't know how to say it.
10:48I'll pay for the medicine.
10:50I'll pay for it.
10:52I'll pay for it.
10:54Why did you call me here?
10:56Are you going to pay for the medicine in the middle of the street?
10:58No, I'm going to pay for the medicine.
11:00Are you going to pay for the medicine?
11:02I'm going to pay for the medicine.
11:04What are you going to do?
11:06If you come after me dating a girl,
11:08it's your contingency, if I pay for it,
11:10you get the medicine.
11:12You want to pay?
11:14Go away, now.
11:16If you go away,
11:18I'll tell that to your mother.
11:20I'll pay for it.
11:22I'll pay for it.
11:24Go away.
11:26I got a helpful girl.
11:28If she calls me,
11:30I'll not go,
11:32but I'll never go.
11:34What are you going to do?
11:36I'm going to go home with all my money.
11:38What are you going to do?
11:40Go over there.
11:42You're so stingy.
11:44You're going to get rich.
11:46You're going to make a lot of money.
11:48What should I sing?
11:50Nabe-yaki udon.
11:56You're a good singer.
11:58I don't know how to sing.
12:00It's hard to sing in front of udon.
12:02It's hard to sing in front of udon.
12:04Udon! Udon!
12:06It's easy to wake you up.
12:08Do you want me to make you a lot of udon?
12:10No, I don't.
12:12You're good at singing in front of a building.
12:14What are you doing in front of a building?
12:16You're good at Nabe-yaki udon.
12:18I don't know how to sing it.
12:20I don't know how to sing it.
12:22I just sing Nabe-yaki udon normally.
12:24I just sing Nabe-yaki udon normally.
12:26I just sing Nabe-yaki udon normally.
12:28That's what you're used to.
12:30I can't sing Nabe-yaki udon well.
12:32I can't sing Nabe-yaki udon well.
12:34I can't sing Nabe-yaki udon well.
12:36I can't sing Nabe-yaki udon well.
12:38I can't sing Nabe-yaki udon well.
12:40I can't sing Nabe-yaki udon well.
12:42I can't sing Nabe-yaki udon well.
12:44I can't sing Nabe-yaki udon well.
12:46I can't sing Nabe-yaki udon well.
12:48I can't sing Nabe-yaki udon well.
12:50I can't sing Nabe-yaki udon well.
12:52I can't sing Nabe-yaki udon well.
12:54I can't sing Nabe-yaki udon well.
12:56I can't sing Nabe-yaki udon well.
12:58Na is a non- bicycles term that you use very surely.
13:00Na is a non- bicycles term that you use very surely.
13:02However, ya is a vocabulary that you use very hardly.
13:04However, ya is a vocabulary that you use very hardly.
13:06Can Na say ya in Nabeya?
13:08Can Nabeya say ya in Nabeya?
13:14That's not easy.
13:16Na…
13:18Nabeyaakuharai.
13:20Nabeyaakuharai.
13:22Nabeyaakuharai.
13:24Well, that's not a bad idea, is it?
13:26This is fine, isn't it?
13:28Nabeya Kuharai
13:32Udon-ya, I'd like to order one serving
13:34Yes, yes, thank you. I'll bring it right away
13:36You should practice more
13:38Nabeya Kuharai
13:42Udon-ya, I'd like to order two servings
13:44Yes, yes, I understand
13:46You should practice more
13:48Nabeya Kuharai
13:50Udon-ya, I'd like to order ten servings
13:52Yes, yes, thank you. I'll bring it right away
13:54You should practice more
13:56Nabeya Kuharai
13:58Stop it, Horashi!
14:00Why don't you get out of my business?
14:02I don't care anymore
14:04Nabeya Kuharai
14:06Nabeya Kuharai
14:08Nabeya Kuharai
14:10Nabeya Kuharai
14:12Nabeya Kuharai
14:14Nabeya Kuharai
14:16Nabeya Kuharai
14:18Nabeya Kuharai
14:20Nabeya Kuharai
14:22Nabeya Kuharai
14:24Nabeya Kuharai
14:26Nabeya Kuharai
14:28Nabeya Kuharai
14:30Nabeya Kuharai
14:32Nabeya Kuharai
14:34Nabeya Kuharai
14:36Nabeya Kuharai
14:38Nabeya Kuharai
14:40Nabeya Kuharai
14:42Nabeya Kuharai
14:44Nabeya Kuharai
14:46Nabeya Kuharai
14:48I don't care anymore
14:50Hey, Yako Harai!
14:52What's up?
14:54What's up?
14:56Yako Harai, Yako Harai
14:58Of course I have to pay
15:00Oh, I see
15:02I understand
15:04Thank you very much
15:06I'll pay for all the actors, sumo wrestlers
15:08and flowers
15:10How many people are there in your family?
15:12I have 18 people
15:14in my family
15:1618 people?
15:18That's a lot
15:20I'll pay for all of you
15:22so please put money in
15:24That's a bad thing to say
15:26I'll put money in
15:28and wrap it
15:30Thank you very much
15:32I put money in
15:34but I don't have anyone to dig
15:36I put money in the basket
15:38You have a big basket
15:40You have a big basket
15:42and you put money in it
15:44You have a big basket
15:46and you put money in
15:48You have a big basket
15:50You put money in
15:52and wrap it
15:54And then I'll go
15:56You only have one
15:58I'll pay for all of you
16:00and wrap it
16:02Oh, no
16:04I was supposed to put paper
16:06I forgot to remember
16:08to pay for all of you
16:10Oh, I see
16:12What are you doing?
16:13What are you doing?
16:14I've been waiting for you to pay the bill.
16:16What?
16:17If so many people are watching, it's hard to pay.
16:20I'm going to close the show.
16:22What are you doing?
16:23What do you mean, close the show?
16:24No, I'm going to pay the bill through the show.
16:27If I close it, it'll be dark and I won't be able to read.
16:31I knew it.
16:32Just a little.
16:33What are you doing?
16:34This is fine.
16:36I'll show you.
16:38A-ra-me-u-de-ta-ya-na?
16:43A-ra-me-u-de-ta-ya-na?
16:46Excuse me.
16:48Who are you?
16:49I'm Yakuharai.
16:50Yakuharai?
16:51What are you waiting for?
16:52Is it more delicious to eat a-ra-me-u-de-ta-ya-na?
16:56What are you talking about?
16:58A-ra-me-u-de-ta-ya-na.
17:01Isn't it a-ra-me-u-de-ta-ya-na?
17:03A-ra-me-u-de-ta-ya-na.
17:05That's right.
17:06A-ra-me-u-de-ta-ya-na.
17:10A-ra-me-u-de-ta-ya-na.
17:16Can you say it more clearly?
17:18It stinks.
17:20What are you talking about?
17:22A-ra-me-u-de-ta-ya-na.
17:25I see.
17:26I have to say it continuously.
17:28A-ra-me-u-de-ta-ya-na.
17:30I see.
17:31Tsuru-wa-juu-nen.
17:33Wait a minute.
17:35What is Tsuru-wa-juu-nen?
17:37It's a very short Tsuru.
17:39This is Wakajini-no-tsuru.
17:41It's not good.
17:42It has a bad origin.
17:43Is Tsuru-wa-sen-nen different from Tsuru-wa-sen-nen?
17:45Tsuru-wa-sen-nen.
17:46Ah!
17:47There is this on top.
17:48I thought it was a gun.
17:49But there is this.
17:50It was wearing a cap.
17:51Tsuru was wearing a cap.
17:53Tsuru-wa-sen-nen.
17:59Kame-wa-i-ka-nen.
18:01Why?
18:03Kame-wa-man-nen.
18:05Ah!
18:06It's a group of people.
18:10Kame-wa-man-nen.
18:11Don't worry.
18:12I'm getting worried.
18:14Are you okay?
18:15Kame-wa-man-nen.
18:18Ura-shima-ta-ra-u.
18:20Ura-shima-ta-ra-u.
18:21The ink is bleeding.
18:24I'll try a little.
18:26I'll try a little.
18:28What is Ura-shima-ta-ra-u?
18:30What is it?
18:32Ura-shima-ta-ra-u is 8000.
18:35Ah!
18:36That's right.
18:37That's right.
18:38What's next?
18:39Tou-bo-saku-wa-ku-sen-zan.
18:41Ah!
18:42That's right.
18:43What's next?
18:44Mi-ura-no-osuke-hyaku-motsu.
18:45That's right.
18:46That's right.
18:47Kakaru-mi-ne-taki-ori-kara-ni.
18:48Ikazaru-akuma-wa-koyoi-tomo.
18:49That's right.
18:50That's right.
18:51Kono-ya-ko-ha-rai-ga-hit-to-rai.
18:52Nishi-no-omi-e-sarari-ya-ko-ha-rai-mu.
18:54That's right.
18:55That's right.
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19:24We've just seen the performance of Yoneji Katsura's play Yakuharai.
19:27We'd like to hear from him now.
19:31Next year marks the 50th anniversary of his acting career.
19:35We asked him how he felt looking back on his career.
19:40How do you feel looking back on your 50 years of acting career?
19:43I can't look back on it.
19:46You're busy.
19:47I don't feel like it's been that long.
19:53I see.
19:54It's been 50 years.
19:56It's been 50 years.
19:57That's great.
19:59I'm glad I was able to come this far without getting sick.
20:05It's been 50 years since he became a disciple of Beicho Katsura.
20:09What is the most memorable phrase?
20:13Everyone used to say this when my master passed away.
20:17At the end of the day, it's all about the people.
20:20No matter how good a performance is,
20:23if the people don't like it,
20:26it becomes a bad performance.
20:28It's the same for both acting and music.
20:32So, at the end of the day, it's all about the people.
20:36So, you still value those words.
20:39It's hard to say, but I want people to get better and better.
20:46I see.
20:48There are three disciples in Yoneji.
20:51One of them is Katsura Nio, who is now famous.
20:56We asked him how they met.
20:59At first, I was chasing after Tsurube.
21:03Then I started to listen to Tsurube's Rakugo.
21:06Then I started to listen to other Rakugo.
21:08I really wanted to become one.
21:10I asked him who he wanted to be a disciple of.
21:12He said, why did you come to me?
21:14That's right.
21:15At first, he was wearing a perm.
21:17He was wearing an afro like this.
21:20He was sitting in the audience.
21:23The person behind him was Sae.
21:25I couldn't see him.
21:27He was sitting in front of me.
21:29I could tell right away that he was in the audience.
21:31He said, you're here again.
21:33I saw his face for three days in a row.
21:36I remember.
21:37I thought, this is not normal.
21:40I thought he was coming.
21:42Then he came right away.
21:45Actually, he didn't plan to be a disciple at first.
21:48But he decided to try and practice.
21:52When I practiced, I was bad at memorizing.
21:55You were bad at memorizing?
21:57Even though you like it so much?
21:59I didn't know what to do.
22:02But after that,
22:04I learned what I had learned in the previous practice.
22:08This was a little interesting.
22:10You grew.
22:12I think that's why I was born.
22:16If I had memorized it,
22:18I would have had a bad reputation.
22:20I had that kind of weirdness.
22:22There were a lot of things,
22:24but everyone said,
22:26I'm a disciple.
22:28I thought,
22:30if I refused, I would regret it later.
22:34Why?
22:35I felt it.
22:37I don't know how to explain it in words,
22:41but somehow,
22:42if I refused,
22:44I would regret it later.
22:46That's what I thought.
22:50Nio-san, who grew up with Yoneji-san's intuition.
22:54There seems to be an episode like this now.
22:58You can't get tickets,
23:00but there are a lot of people.
23:02It's amazing.
23:03If I had a Q&A session,
23:05I would say,
23:06I think it sold well before.
23:08Even now,
23:09I set it up from 10 o'clock on that day,
23:12and it sold out in 10 minutes.
23:14That's amazing.
23:16When it's just me, it doesn't sell at all.
23:21Yoneji-san is celebrating his 50th anniversary next year.
23:24Lastly, we asked about his future goals.
23:27When I was young,
23:29I went to the U.S. and China's solo concerts.
23:33I went all over the country.
23:36But I haven't been to Aomori and Okinawa prefectures yet.
23:40I see.
23:41If I failed in these two prefectures,
23:44I would be outlawed in all prefectures.
23:47That's amazing.
23:48I want to go to both.
23:50Both?
23:51I want to go to both.
23:52I want to go because I don't care.
23:54If you say it on the air,
23:56there may be people who want to do it at home.
24:00Everyone is looking forward to it.
24:02If you have a chance to go to Aomori and Okinawa,
24:05please contact us.
24:07Thank you very much for talking with us today.
24:09Thank you very much.
24:19At the end of last month,
24:21to commemorate Mr. Katsura's 100th birthday in 2015,
24:26the Katsura-Beicho Certification Ceremony was held.
24:32If you can get a certificate like that,
24:35you can see what kind of person Mr. Katsura-Beicho was.
24:38If you google it on the Internet,
24:40you can see the greatness of Mr. Katsura-Beicho.
24:43I think that the greatness of Mr. Katsura-Beicho
24:46will continue to rise in the future.
24:51I am very grateful for that.
24:53This year, there will be a special exhibition
24:56where you can look back on Mr. Katsura-Beicho's many achievements
24:58and a Rakugo-kai where people from all walks of life gather.