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00:00:00Thank you for watching News Night.
00:00:10Good morning.
00:00:11Let's study the news together with us this week.
00:00:16Our guest this week is O-Rin.
00:00:18Nice to meet you.
00:00:20O-Rin, is there any news that interests you?
00:00:23First of all, I'm interested in the stairs in Michibeishu.
00:00:28I see.
00:00:29Don't you care about the news about the road being blocked?
00:00:33You don't have to say it like that.
00:00:35No, no.
00:00:36The person who really wants to do this news is not in the studio right now.
00:00:41Why?
00:00:42It's Mr. Fujii.
00:00:43He really wants to do this news about the road being blocked.
00:00:46My professor is an expert, so I asked the staff to let him do it.
00:00:49My house is in Kyoto, but I'm going to Tokyo by Shinkansen.
00:00:55You made a mistake.
00:00:57I don't know.
00:00:59I don't know what it means.
00:01:01He said he really wanted to do it.
00:01:03I'm on my way to Nagoya right now.
00:01:07My professor is kind, so I called him in advance.
00:01:13I asked him if he was okay.
00:01:15I'm going to give you a lot of presents.
00:01:18If you make it in time, you'll get a prize.
00:01:20If you don't make it in time, you'll get a prize.
00:01:22You have to explain your opinion.
00:01:26You have to explain your opinion.
00:01:30I'm on my way to the factory.
00:01:32I'm going to Saitama and I'm going to the studio.
00:01:35I'm going to Saitama and I'm going to the studio.
00:01:39You have to be patient in this situation.
00:01:43That's right.
00:01:45One person won't come.
00:01:47One person has a broken bone.
00:01:49It's hard. Are you okay?
00:01:51I'm working hard.
00:01:53Look at this.
00:01:55It's midnight in Japan.
00:01:59The meeting between Japan and the U.S. was held.
00:02:03Mr. Ishiba is laughing.
00:02:05Thank you for your hard work.
00:02:07Did the meeting go well?
00:02:09Let's start with the meeting between Japan and the U.S.
00:02:13The meeting between President Obama and President Obama.
00:02:18What kind of results did they get?
00:02:27Where is the meeting that determines the fate of Japan?
00:02:32Speaking of President Obama,
00:02:35Even after he became president, he has repeatedly made extreme statements.
00:02:39He is in a state of doing whatever he wants.
00:02:43Last Saturday, President Trump issued a presidential decree
00:02:48on illegal immigration and the importation of synthetic drugs
00:02:52and imposed a 25% tax on Canada and Mexico.
00:02:56Two days later, the Mexican side proposed
00:02:59to deploy 10,000 national guards on the border with the United States.
00:03:04The Canadian side promised to work to strengthen security
00:03:09by spending about 1.4 billion yen.
00:03:12President Trump was satisfied with these answers
00:03:16and expressed that he would postpone the importation of synthetic drugs to both countries for a month.
00:03:21On the other hand, China announced this week
00:03:25that 10% additional synthetic drugs would be imported.
00:03:29The Chinese government has announced a retaliatory measure against this.
00:03:34President Trump is trying to make negotiations more advantageous by using tariffs.
00:03:40What will happen to Japan?
00:03:45In addition, in a joint meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu,
00:03:50he said that the U.S. would own the Gaza Strip.
00:03:56President Trump's actions are unpredictable.
00:04:01Will President Trump and Prime Minister Netanyahu be able to cross paths?
00:04:08This is a question from West Nakama and Olin.
00:04:14Please take a look at the illustration by Laser Lemon and HG Gahaku.
00:04:21What should we do to get along well with President Trump in the future?
00:04:27Will Japan become like President Trump?
00:04:32Please tell us.
00:04:35Mr. Nakama, this is a meeting between Japan and the U.S.
00:04:39How did it go?
00:04:41I had a very good relationship with Mr. Abe.
00:04:44I think it's quite difficult to go beyond that.
00:04:47I don't know how to get along with Mr. Abe.
00:04:50I see.
00:04:51Olin, what do you think of President Trump's words?
00:05:00I want to hear a lot of things.
00:05:05At first glance, I feel like a fan has come.
00:05:11Can you show me the picture again?
00:05:14I feel like a fan has come.
00:05:16President Trump and Mr. Ishiba are shaking hands.
00:05:19I feel like I met someone I admire.
00:05:22I want to see a smiley face.
00:05:26I like a smiley face.
00:05:29I want to see a smiley face.
00:05:32I feel like a fan.
00:05:34I think we are not on the same page.
00:05:38I would like to hear a lot of things.
00:05:40I will ask these people.
00:05:42After graduating from Tokyo University, he entered the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
00:05:45He is a former ambassador to Australia.
00:05:47He has been in contact with the U.S. through trade negotiations and intelligence cooperation.
00:05:52He is Mr. Yamagami Shingo, a foreign affairs commentator.
00:05:54Nice to meet you.
00:05:56He is Mr. Kazuhiro Aoyama, a political journalist.
00:05:59He is a former Japanese TV commentator.
00:06:01He is Mr. Kazuhiro Aoyama, a political journalist.
00:06:04Nice to meet you.
00:06:06Mr. Yamagami, what do you think of Mr. Ishiba?
00:06:09He is a good friend of Mr. Ishiba.
00:06:11He is a good friend of Mr. Ishiba.
00:06:14Next, Mr. Aoyama.
00:06:18He was able to achieve his original goal.
00:06:22I understand.
00:06:24I will ask Mr. Aoyama and Mr. Ishiba a lot of questions.
00:06:31The Justice for All, the program is broadcast live.
00:06:33The Justice for All, the program is broadcast live.
00:06:37First of all, please look at this.
00:06:40What happened?
00:06:42There are three pictures.
00:06:44There is a picture of shaking hands.
00:06:47Mr. Yamagami, you were on the stairs of Nishibeshi.
00:06:51First of all, there must have been something you were curious about.
00:06:55First of all, this laugh.
00:06:59Then this expression.
00:07:01The expression of raising his chin.
00:07:03And there is another one.
00:07:05Please take a look at this picture.
00:07:07Is this it?
00:07:08This is it.
00:07:10This is when he was trying to get off the trap at the Washington-Andrews Air Force Base.
00:07:20Left hand.
00:07:22Why do you put your hand in your coat pocket at a time like this?
00:07:29I've been in the Foreign Affairs Department for 40 years.
00:07:32I've seen a lot of Prime Ministers, but this is the first time.
00:07:37Is that so?
00:07:39I mean, it's impossible.
00:07:41When you go up here, you have to stand properly because the camera is rolling.
00:07:45Because you know you're being watched.
00:07:47The moment you get off the trap, you're being watched the most.
00:07:50Oh, I'm here. I'm here.
00:07:51And under this trap, the Americans are waiting in line.
00:07:56I didn't think I had to say that much.
00:07:59But now that I've talked to you, I see.
00:08:01There are a lot of people here.
00:08:03What do you think about this?
00:08:06Well, it's polite.
00:08:08That's why I'm sitting down and shaking hands.
00:08:11Mr. Ishiba said it's a hassle to stand up one by one.
00:08:14But as a courtesy, I don't know about that.
00:08:17In short, it's a natural procedure.
00:08:21I'm sorry, but I'm going to open it now.
00:08:24Please stand up properly without grabbing your pocket or hand.
00:08:26It's rude to say that now.
00:08:28It's rude, isn't it?
00:08:29Can you say that to an elderly person in their late 60s?
00:08:33There's no way it'll get better.
00:08:35There's no way it'll get better.
00:08:37There was a picture like this.
00:08:40It's dangerous.
00:08:42If you do this, you'll be like Mr. Takahashi.
00:08:45You can't put your hand in your pocket.
00:08:48You can't.
00:08:50Please return the monitor.
00:08:53Mr. Ishiba, in the joint press conference, there was a part where you laughed.
00:08:58What do you mean?
00:08:59The American media asked,
00:09:00If the United States imposed tariffs, would it impose retaliatory tariffs?
00:09:04Mr. Ishiba said,
00:09:05I will not answer family questions.
00:09:09That's the standard Japanese answer.
00:09:12Everyone laughed.
00:09:14Mr. Trump said,
00:09:15That's a very good answer.
00:09:17There was a part like that.
00:09:19What do you think?
00:09:22Well, that's about it.
00:09:26Don't say that.
00:09:28What do you think, Tomokori-chan?
00:09:30It's like a standard answer.
00:09:34No, the audience was careful and laughed.
00:09:38I see.
00:09:39Mr. Aoyama, what do you think?
00:09:41This time, it was a strategy not to discuss tariffs or economic issues.
00:09:47If you start talking here,
00:09:49Mr. Trump will say,
00:09:50If you start talking here, the atmosphere will get worse.
00:09:53I think this is Mr. Ishiba's answer based on the strategy of ending the conversation nicely.
00:09:59Please look at what was discussed on the stairs.
00:10:03First, a $1 trillion investment in the United States.
00:10:09In the form of mutual benefit.
00:10:11As Mr. Aoyama said,
00:10:13It's not specific, it's rough.
00:10:17Let's cooperate.
00:10:20In other words, increasing the $1 trillion investment in the United States to $1 trillion.
00:10:24It's not a discussion, it's a good story.
00:10:27I'm going to bring that up, but I'm going to talk about tariffs.
00:10:31The purpose of this meeting was not to make it an argument.
00:10:35Mr. Aoyama, what do you think?
00:10:38In short, it's bad to make Mr. Trump angry.
00:10:43It's all about consoling each other.
00:10:48So what did Japan get?
00:10:52In the first place, it's not about mutual benefit.
00:10:56It's a complete withdrawal from Japanese products.
00:10:59It's ridiculous.
00:11:00I have to say it's not a joke.
00:11:03I feel like this is a real surprise.
00:11:08U.S. steel is not a buyout, it's an investment.
00:11:11The Japanese government should have sent out such a message a long time ago.
00:11:14However, what this person has been saying for a long time is that it is a matter of companies and companies.
00:11:19He didn't try to help Japanese steel.
00:11:22It's a little late for an investment now.
00:11:27It's a bit of a forward-looking investment for each other.
00:11:36As for Trump, he's already on his knees.
00:11:40It's a story about how to pull out what the Japanese government and Japanese steel can pull out.
00:11:48If the Japanese government had helped Japanese steel in advance,
00:11:53It's a story that has not been repainted.
00:11:59As a person who has been doing safety insurance for a long time,
00:12:04It's a story about the economic structure of China.
00:12:08It's a story about the increase in defense spending, anti-China, and the election.
00:12:13It's a story about what's new.
00:12:18It's a completely ordinary story.
00:12:21It's been like this since Obama.
00:12:24It's not just about checking every time.
00:12:27The election is a Japanese thing.
00:12:29I have to make it clear to the United States.
00:12:32I haven't been able to do that.
00:12:34So, in that sense,
00:12:36I'm trying to focus on the law.
00:12:38I don't want to give you the image that the stairs are broken.
00:12:43I felt like I was in a hurry.
00:12:45Mr. Takahashi, you talked about the Japanese and American stairs this time.
00:12:50What do you think?
00:12:52I was interested in time.
00:12:55Which one to do.
00:12:56If you look at it, it's 30 minutes on the stairs.
00:13:00After that, it's a working lunch.
00:13:02Working lunch is just eating.
00:13:0430 minutes on the stairs is very short.
00:13:07You can translate in 30 minutes.
00:13:09It's 15 minutes.
00:13:10If you do that much, you'll just have to read it up.
00:13:13It's been that long since this program started.
00:13:16That's right.
00:13:18That's how long it's been.
00:13:20As Mr. Aoyama said, it's a strategy that doesn't do anything.
00:13:25As you all said, it ended up with the usual rush.
00:13:31That's why Japan was so good.
00:13:33That's right.
00:13:34Co-existence is the first thing the agency puts together.
00:13:37But let's agree on this.
00:13:39Let's not talk about it in detail.
00:13:41All we have to do is make sure that everything is going as planned.
00:13:46The initial goal was achieved.
00:13:48It was a step in a defensive position from the beginning.
00:13:51It's good that nothing uncertain happened.
00:13:54It's good.
00:13:55It's a short time, but it's the right thing to do.
00:13:57But I didn't say anything bad.
00:13:59Mr. Ichiba, you changed your glasses.
00:14:05I saw the coat.
00:14:07The coat was a good coat.
00:14:09The suit was a good suit.
00:14:12I thought it had a learning effect.
00:14:15I see.
00:14:16You were wearing a suit that looked like you were in that position.
00:14:21That's ridiculous.
00:14:23It was amazing in the morning.
00:14:26You looked great in other international conferences.
00:14:30I thought it was terrible to see you in that suit.
00:14:32But I think it was good to see you.
00:14:35Tomoko, I think it's important to wear a proper suit because many people are watching.
00:14:41I think it's absolutely important.
00:14:43I wonder if it was easy to put the coat in.
00:14:45I wonder if it was in a good position.
00:14:47It's a good thing.
00:14:49Mr. Hongo, what do you think?
00:14:51I think this program is a really good program.
00:14:53I was praised a lot by Mr. Ichiba.
00:15:03After all, this is what Mr. Trump said.
00:15:07Mr. Aoyama said to shorten the time.
00:15:11He tried to end it without saying anything weird.
00:15:15In the end, Japan is an ATM.
00:15:17It's an American thing.
00:15:19I see.
00:15:20We're going to do it properly.
00:15:23Mr. Rubio said it was the amount of Japan.
00:15:28He said it.
00:15:30He said it was the amount of Japan.
00:15:32If you're a Taiwanese friend, you should come out.
00:15:35I wonder why experts don't understand that.
00:15:39I see.
00:15:40It was a mess.
00:15:42It was good to see Mr. Ichiba.
00:15:44Old men and old women were in a mess.
00:15:48What kind of program is it if old men and old women are in a mess near Osaka Castle?
00:15:54It's a story about not doing anything.
00:15:57How about you, Orin?
00:15:59I was listening to what the teachers were saying.
00:16:01I was watching the program at the same time as Mr. Hong Kong.
00:16:06The words I heard from the program and the words Mr. Hong Kong said here were completely different.
00:16:15I think I was able to hear the real Japanese and American conversation.
00:16:25Mr. Hong Kong, please stop.
00:16:31But there's something to worry about.
00:16:33Please look at this.
00:16:35It's full of concerns.
00:16:37First, the attitude of running away.
00:16:39It's been mentioned earlier.
00:16:40What's the attitude of running away?
00:16:42In December last year, Mr. Trump said,
00:16:45If Japan wants it, we'll do it.
00:16:48However, the Japanese side decided that they couldn't get enough results before they were appointed,
00:16:52and they looked down on Japan.
00:16:54I don't think it's a good idea to do anything until the political position is right.
00:16:58You're saying we should be more prepared, right?
00:17:02It says political position and personality.
00:17:07I'd like to explain this incompatibility.
00:17:11From Trump's point of view,
00:17:14Mr. Trump is undoubtedly a conservative politician.
00:17:17He likes to look strong.
00:17:20From his point of view,
00:17:22Mr. Trump is a conservative.
00:17:25Mr. Ishiba?
00:17:26He's a weak liberal.
00:17:27That's why people think he's weak.
00:17:29And Mr. Trump is a stylist.
00:17:31He's not like Mr. Ishiba.
00:17:33He's probably wearing a high suit.
00:17:35He's got a wife who looks like a Barbie doll.
00:17:40I don't know if that's a good thing.
00:17:43He doesn't have the ability to make you say that.
00:17:46From Mr. Trump's point of view,
00:17:48Mr. Ishiba is dark and ugly.
00:17:50Thirdly, he'll run away.
00:17:52He'll run away if he has to.
00:17:53Trump will confront him.
00:17:55So even if you think about it like this,
00:17:57there's no way you'll meet him.
00:17:58But because we met this time,
00:18:00Mr. Trump was told by the staff around him,
00:18:04I don't know if he thought that
00:18:07Japanese President Ishiba was a good person.
00:18:12I don't think Trump's eyes are that bad.
00:18:15Trump is trying to use what Mr. Ishiba can use.
00:18:18I see.
00:18:19I'm sure this is a short-lived government.
00:18:21So while I'm here,
00:18:23I'm going to make him do what I want him to do.
00:18:25Mr. Trump himself has been in the game for two years.
00:18:28If he can't keep up with me,
00:18:30I'll kick him out.
00:18:32I see.
00:18:33Second concern.
00:18:34Weakness of ad-lib.
00:18:35According to Mr. Aoyama's interview,
00:18:37he was holding a countermeasure meeting
00:18:39between the ministers in each direction
00:18:41and President Trump.
00:18:42Director Hayashi and Foreign Minister Iwaya.
00:18:45Mr. Ishiba will hold a press conference
00:18:47with President Trump.
00:18:49Based on the U.S. position,
00:18:51he accepted the joint press conference.
00:18:53He accepted the joint press conference
00:18:55with the intention of doing it alone.
00:18:57According to Mr. Aoyama,
00:18:58it is still scary to create a script in advance.
00:19:01It was an unpredictable statement by Mr. Trump.
00:19:05Is this really going to end alone?
00:19:08At first,
00:19:09we were going to stop the joint press conference.
00:19:11Yes, yes.
00:19:12I still want to avoid the lack of it.
00:19:14When we are lined up together,
00:19:15I don't know what Mr. Trump will say.
00:19:17Mr. Ishiba may have to answer it.
00:19:19But it's strange that he doesn't do it
00:19:21after the joint press conference.
00:19:23He said it was okay to do it from Mr. Trump's side.
00:19:26Mr. Ishiba also accepted it.
00:19:28However, what I found out at this press conference
00:19:30is that, as I wrote,
00:19:32Mr. Abe's legacy
00:19:34reminds me that I have to get along
00:19:36with the Prime Minister of Japan.
00:19:39Mr. Trump.
00:19:40This time, Mr. Ishiba was also very careful.
00:19:44He didn't make any unnecessary remarks,
00:19:46and nothing strange happened.
00:19:48So, Mr. Ishiba,
00:19:49you have a legacy,
00:19:51so you increased the defense budget.
00:19:53On top of that,
00:19:54whether you can improve it further,
00:19:56that's what I'm going to ask you.
00:19:58That's what I'm going to ask you.
00:20:00I'm going to ask you if you can do it
00:20:02with the development of Alaska's LPG,
00:20:04or if you can invest 1 trillion dollars.
00:20:061 trillion dollars.
00:20:08I'm going to ask you if you can do it.
00:20:10However, I think it was a good start.
00:20:13I see.
00:20:14So, you didn't rush to start,
00:20:16but you were able to start properly.
00:20:18That's right.
00:20:19You didn't rush, but you started.
00:20:21You didn't rush, but it ended smoothly.
00:20:23That's right.
00:20:24What Trump has been saying for a while
00:20:26is that he respects Japan.
00:20:28It's a saying that he likes Japan.
00:20:30It's not Ishiba.
00:20:31It's Japan.
00:20:33So, the second time I met with him
00:20:35about Israel,
00:20:37it was thanks to Japan.
00:20:39I want the Prime Minister to feel that way.
00:20:42I don't want him to feel that way.
00:20:45That's not true.
00:20:47What do you think, Mr. Yamada?
00:20:50I've been watching everything since this morning.
00:20:53I've seen all the statements,
00:20:55but when it came out,
00:20:57my heart was out.
00:20:59My heart was saying,
00:21:01Ishiba is a good guy.
00:21:03That's all.
00:21:04Shigeru Ishiba is something.
00:21:06I've been saying that for a while.
00:21:08As I said earlier,
00:21:10there were a lot of comments.
00:21:12What kind of comments?
00:21:14I forgot.
00:21:16I'm sorry.
00:21:18More than that,
00:21:20Mr. Trump is commenting
00:21:22that Mr. Ishiba will be a great Prime Minister.
00:21:25I don't think he's evaluating it now.
00:21:28From now on,
00:21:30Mr. Ishiba will be a good Prime Minister.
00:21:32As I said earlier,
00:21:34Mr. Abe has a good will.
00:21:36Mr. Abe said he was a good guy.
00:21:38I've read a lot of books and articles.
00:21:41I know that.
00:21:43But I think it's going to get better.
00:21:45That's what he said.
00:21:47I don't think he's evaluating it now.
00:21:49Not now, but after this.
00:21:51Yes, I understand.
00:21:53In the meantime,
00:21:55I'm reading the statement of President Trump.
00:21:57Please take a look at this.
00:21:59Gaza is owned by the United States.
00:22:01How many people do you think Japan will accept?
00:22:04I'm reading the statement of President Trump.
00:22:06Please take a look at this.
00:22:08This Tuesday,
00:22:10the United States and Israel
00:22:12will hold a joint meeting
00:22:14after the talks.
00:22:16Mr. Netanyahu and Mr. Trump.
00:22:18The United States
00:22:20will own Gaza.
00:22:22This is a sign of the idea
00:22:24of moving the people of Gaza.
00:22:26This is a sign of the idea
00:22:28of moving the people of Gaza.
00:22:30This is a sign of the idea
00:22:32of moving the people of Gaza.
00:22:34First of all, Mr. Yamagami,
00:22:36this statement
00:22:38is one of the ideas
00:22:40that the United States
00:22:42and Israel
00:22:44had in mind
00:22:46to own Gaza.
00:22:48Originally,
00:22:50in 1993,
00:22:52there was an Oslo Accord
00:22:54between Israel and Palestine.
00:22:56The Gaza Strip
00:22:58and the West Bank
00:23:00were decided to own Gaza.
00:23:02More than 2 million people
00:23:04have lived in Gaza.
00:23:06There is such a history.
00:23:08I've done this many times.
00:23:10What Mr. Trump is saying
00:23:12is that
00:23:14he wants to make Gaza
00:23:16the Riviera of the Middle East.
00:23:18The Riviera of France.
00:23:20He wants to make it the Riviera
00:23:22of the Mediterranean resort.
00:23:24First of all,
00:23:26he wants to force people to move.
00:23:28He wants to force people
00:23:30who live in Gaza
00:23:32to move to other countries
00:23:34in the Middle East.
00:23:36But he doesn't want to do that.
00:23:38First of all,
00:23:40Egypt and Jordan
00:23:42are the countries
00:23:44he wants to move to.
00:23:46This is one of the
00:23:48situations.
00:23:50In a word,
00:23:52he wants to capture
00:23:54a woman who is
00:23:56the sun of Japan.
00:23:58This Monday,
00:24:00Mr. Ishiba said
00:24:02he is trying to get people
00:24:04who were injured in Gaza
00:24:06to move to Japan.
00:24:08The next day,
00:24:10he said he doesn't want
00:24:12foreign ministers to
00:24:14move to Japan.
00:24:16He said we shouldn't
00:24:18ignore everything
00:24:20President Trump said.
00:24:22In other words,
00:24:24Hamas,
00:24:26a terrorist organization,
00:24:28is ruling Japan.
00:24:30As a Japanese,
00:24:32I worry that
00:24:34Hamas will come to Japan.
00:24:36In the first place,
00:24:38we haven't heard
00:24:40about this at all.
00:24:42I don't know how much
00:24:44Trump needs Japanese
00:24:46cooperation on this issue.
00:24:48Before that,
00:24:50we heard about this
00:24:52before, but
00:24:54I don't know
00:24:56how much
00:24:58Trump needs Japanese
00:25:00cooperation on this issue.
00:25:02I don't know
00:25:04how much
00:25:06Trump needs Japanese
00:25:08cooperation on this issue.
00:25:10I don't know
00:25:12how much
00:25:14Trump needs Japanese
00:25:16cooperation on this issue.
00:25:18I don't know
00:25:20how much
00:25:22Trump needs
00:25:24Japanese cooperation on
00:25:26this issue.
00:25:28I don't know
00:25:30about
00:25:32who will come to Japan.
00:25:34I don't know
00:25:36about
00:25:38who will come to Japan.
00:25:40I don't know
00:25:42who will come to Japan.
00:25:44I don't know
00:25:46who will come to Japan.
00:25:48I don't think it's going to be a problem because we don't have a lot of people.
00:25:52Just like Olin said earlier, Trump is strong and the people around him are really nervous and worried.
00:26:00That's why everyone is trying to swallow what he has said strongly.
00:26:04Just like that, Japan and Canada are trying to do the same thing.
00:26:09After all, I don't know what Trump is going to say.
00:26:12It looks like he's trying to listen to what everyone is saying little by little.
00:26:18Mr. Takahashi, what do you think?
00:26:20This statement that America owns Gaza and this comment from the Japanese government.
00:26:25The fact that America owns Gaza means that Trump is a real estate agent.
00:26:30I think Japan has a lot of different responses.
00:26:33Why do you have to bring people who have passed on to Japan on purpose?
00:26:36That's basically it.
00:26:38If that's the case, it's going to end with medical humanitarian aid.
00:26:42I was a little surprised when I heard that they were going to do something as easy as possible in Japan.
00:26:52As the Japanese government, we will provide humanitarian aid to the extent that it is impossible.
00:26:56If that's the case, we'll send another hospital to the side.
00:27:00There are a lot of ways to do it.
00:27:03I don't know why it's going to be like that.
00:27:05I thought there were a lot of amateurs around.
00:27:08Mr. Yamada, what do you think?
00:27:10As I said earlier, the reason why the neighboring Arab countries are not accepting refugees is because
00:27:17the people of the neighboring countries don't want to get involved in what the United States and Israel are trying to do.
00:27:24It's because they support it.
00:27:26If Japan accepts it, it will be on their side.
00:27:28If you look at it from the perspective of the Arab world,
00:27:30even though we've been working hard on humanitarian aid in various countries,
00:27:32there is a possibility that anti-Japanism will spread in the Arab world.
00:27:36We have to be really careful about this.
00:27:38I think it will be a big minus for Japan, including the future of ODA and other things.
00:27:43Mr. Nakama, what do you think?
00:27:45What I'm saying may be a good thing, but what I was worried about was
00:27:50Mr. Ishiba said that he couldn't afford to pay taxes to the Japanese people at the same time.
00:27:58If he said that at the same time, it would be even more anti-Japanism.
00:28:05After all, it's important to be close to the United States, but it's not close to the people.
00:28:10I don't know what he wants to do.
00:28:12Mr. Ishiba, are you in favor of the Japanese people?
00:28:14That's a direct question and dissatisfaction.
00:28:17I'm afraid, of course.
00:28:20Mr. Hongo, what do you think?
00:28:22I think Trump likes strong people.
00:28:27That's why he's trying to talk to Putin and Xi Jinping equally,
00:28:32and he's trying to meet North Korea, too.
00:28:35He's saying this because he's on our side.
00:28:37If it were him, he would support humanitarian aid like Mr. Takahashi,
00:28:40but he can't accept it.
00:28:42As Mr. Yamada said, if the neighboring countries in the Middle East agree to it,
00:28:50I think they'll look at it again.
00:28:55By talking with a clear attitude that you can do what you can't do as Japan,
00:29:01I think we can gain Trump's trust later.
00:29:06That's right.
00:29:07Originally, the Middle East policy in Japan was balanced.
00:29:11If you don't put it in one country, Israel, or Palestine,
00:29:16you have to be careful about this issue.
00:29:19Because the Kurdish community is one of the big problems in Japanese society.
00:29:24If Palestine and Hamas are involved in this, it will be a terrorist attack.
00:29:29It's a situation where you can't even look at it.
00:29:31I want you to think carefully.
00:29:32And look at China.
00:29:35The U.S.-China relationship is in a muddle.
00:29:40This week, China issued a 10% additional tax on all imports.
00:29:46It is not in a hurry to talk to China at the right time.
00:29:5010% additional tax on imports from China.
00:29:54The next day, China announced a retaliation measure.
00:29:5815% additional tax on coal, liquid and natural gas.
00:30:0210% additional tax on large engine cars.
00:30:06The U.S. additional tax is a serious violation of WTO rules.
00:30:15In addition, China is investigating Google under suspicion of violation of the Exclusion Law.
00:30:19Is the U.S. additional tax a violation of WTO rules?
00:30:25That's right.
00:30:27Trump's way of doing things is to use tariffs as a tool.
00:30:36This is the biggest problem with the Trump administration.
00:30:39Mr. Ishiba doesn't say much, but China is going to replace him.
00:30:43However, I think China is really impatient.
00:30:46I don't know what Trump will do when he comes out.
00:30:49But at the right time, there is a U.S.-China talks.
00:30:54What will happen?
00:30:56China wants to have a dialogue and a competition.
00:30:59On the other hand, the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs says that what is needed now is not additional tax, but a dialogue and a competition.
00:31:06Trump is not in a hurry.
00:31:08Mr. Takahashi, do you think China is impatient?
00:31:14The export from China to the U.S. is 3% of GDP.
00:31:21China's consumption and investment is not good.
00:31:25If the export is not good, it will be very difficult.
00:31:28Speaking of the WTO, it is true that it is a violation of the rules, but the WTO itself is not functioning now.
00:31:34That's why Trump is using it now.
00:31:38He's pretty good at it.
00:31:40The president of the United States is going to raise tariffs on the U.S. in various countries.
00:31:49What is the way to solve various problems?
00:31:56There are quite a few people in the U.S. who used to be the president of the United States.
00:32:00Speaking of tariffs, it's a story about the U.S. people.
00:32:06It's not about the U.S. people, but it's about the U.S. people's consumption of imported goods.
00:32:13So it's possible.
00:32:16But using it for negotiations is still possible.
00:32:22But the other countries are going to do it.
00:32:27China is going to do it.
00:32:29After Trump took office, many countries have been in a hurry.
00:32:35From our point of view, Mr. Aoyama, it looks like that.
00:32:39The stock market is also in turmoil.
00:32:41I think it's because it's not a toy.
00:32:43But Trump's way of doing things is making everyone nervous.
00:32:46It's a fact that he's creating a world where Trump can do whatever he wants.
00:32:52If you watch the movie, you can see that Trump has only three principles.
00:32:58One is attack, attack, attack, the first principle.
00:33:01The second is that he will never admit defeat.
00:33:03The third is that he will never admit defeat even if he loses.
00:33:06It's very easy to understand.
00:33:08That's true.
00:33:10He's a strong president, but is it okay for him to be the president of the United States?
00:33:17That's where Japan has to give advice.
00:33:20If you do something like this, you'll be asked about world leadership.
00:33:25We have to say that, too.
00:33:27What do you think, Orin-chan?
00:33:29President Trump.
00:33:31I don't want Japan to be like,
00:33:36Yes, yes, I understand.
00:33:38I don't want it to be like that.
00:33:40I want Trump to say,
00:33:42Yes, I can't do this.
00:33:45I want you to tell me what you think.
00:33:49I think so.
00:33:50Mr. Hongo, what do you think?
00:33:52It's a loss if you turn Trump into an enemy.
00:33:55That's why Mr. Abe is playing golf.
00:33:58Why don't you play golf?
00:34:00If you make me laugh so hard, I think it's easier to play golf.
00:34:04If you play golf, it's definitely easier to play golf.
00:34:08You have to make a good deal.
00:34:10You have to listen to both sides.
00:34:13That's right.
00:34:14I'll listen to you, but you have to listen to me.
00:34:17You have to make a good deal.
00:34:19You have to make a good deal.
00:34:21That's what Mr. Hongo said.
00:34:23I hope that the third and fourth times will gradually become the pace of Japan.
00:34:29Thank you very much, Mr. Ryo.
00:34:32Mr. Fujii hasn't come yet.
00:34:34Next, let's take a look at the AI war in the United States.
00:34:38China's leading company DeepSeek has developed a genuine AI.
00:34:43The movement to call on the world to use restrictions is spreading.
00:34:53On January 20, when President Trump's inauguration was held,
00:34:59a revolution broke out in the advanced semiconductor industry.
00:35:05The genuine AI released by the unknown Chinese leading company DeepSeek
00:35:11was popularized as an AI with the same performance as the chat GPT of the American open AI company,
00:35:19despite its low cost.
00:35:22It took only two months to develop.
00:35:26The development cost is said to be as much as 1.2 billion yen,
00:35:32but the chat GPT is only worth about 900 million yen,
00:35:37so personal use is free.
00:35:41Not only in China, but also in the United States, it ranked first in the download ranking.
00:35:47The New York stock market responded to this.
00:35:51Concerns that the demand for advanced semiconductors will decline
00:35:56and the stock price of NVIDIA, the leading semiconductor company in the United States, fell by 18%,
00:36:02the price of about 92 trillion yen per day skyrocketed.
00:36:08Last month, the SoftBank Group announced that it would invest about 7.8 trillion yen in AI infrastructure,
00:36:18and announced that we need to focus on our industry to win the competition.
00:36:26On the other hand, David Sacks, the AI person in charge of the White House,
00:36:32said that there is evidence that DeepSeek has uploaded technology from open AI.
00:36:41Open AI is cooperating with the government and Microsoft to conduct research.
00:36:48In addition, Japan, Taiwan, Korea, Australia, etc.
00:36:53have announced the use and ban of DeepSeek around the world.
00:36:59On the other hand, the Japanese government has been calling on each government to be careful.
00:37:07A new US-China AI war has engulfed the world.
00:37:14Tomoko Unabara and Hong Kong asked this question about this news.
00:37:21Will there be a lot of such things coming out of China in the future?
00:37:26Can't Japan make its own AI?
00:37:33Can China's AI be trusted?
00:37:37Is there a risk of information being leaked?
00:37:41Please tell us.
00:37:43Tomoko, honestly, can't you make a made-in-Japan AI in the US or China?
00:37:52There are a lot of smart people in China.
00:37:57I think there will be more and more of them in the future.
00:38:03I wonder what's going on in Japan.
00:38:06Do you think Japan has the technology to get in there?
00:38:10I'm sure there are a lot of smart people in Japan.
00:38:13I'd like you to make it.
00:38:15Hong Kong, can China's AI be trusted?
00:38:18Are you worried that information will be leaked?
00:38:20Yes, I'm worried that information will be leaked.
00:38:23If it's leaked, that's right.
00:38:25That's what I'm afraid of.
00:38:28I think it's the same in the US.
00:38:30I think we're all under surveillance.
00:38:33It's really easy for everyone to get in there.
00:38:37I'm afraid that a lot of American citizens are in there.
00:38:42I see.
00:38:43I'd like you to tell me about this in detail.
00:38:47I'm Mr. Toshihiro Yamada, an international journalist who specializes in cyber security and IT.
00:38:52Let's get started.
00:38:54This is the American AI war.
00:38:57What do you think, Mr. Yamada?
00:38:59Yes.
00:39:00Please.
00:39:01It's a deep-seated deep-seated.
00:39:03I admit it, but I don't think we should use it yet.
00:39:06I see.
00:39:07You don't think we should use it yet.
00:39:09I'd like you to tell me about this in detail.
00:39:13The AI deep-seated is a hot topic in China.
00:39:19Please look at this.
00:39:21Have you ever heard of deep-seated AI?
00:39:23Yes, I've heard of it, but I'm afraid of it.
00:39:26I'm afraid of it.
00:39:27I'm afraid of it.
00:39:29American companies have collapsed due to the impact of deep-seated AI.
00:39:32Last month, 20 Chinese companies announced the deep-seated AI deep-seated R1 model.
00:39:41The era of deep-seated AI has ended.
00:39:44Did it end?
00:39:45On the 27th of last month, NVIDIA, the largest semiconductor company in the United States, collapsed.
00:39:50NVIDIA is a semiconductor company, right?
00:39:54Yes, NVIDIA makes most of the AI's semiconductors.
00:39:56NVIDIA lost 92 trillion yen in the first quarter.
00:40:00That's a lot of money.
00:40:03Here are the reasons why deep-seated AI is so popular.
00:40:05First, it's very cheap.
00:40:07It was developed for about 900 million yen.
00:40:10By the way, how much is the chat GPT?
00:40:15I can't say for sure, but the chat GPT is about 1.2 billion or 1.1 billion yen.
00:40:23It's a lot of money.
00:40:24We're still investing a lot.
00:40:26Deep-seated AI is said to be developed for about 900 million yen.
00:40:28Yes, it's said to be.
00:40:29Deep-seated AI is one-tenth of that.
00:40:31I think it's comparable to the latest model of American open AI.
00:40:35It's high-performance, but it's free.
00:40:38Open AI is free, right?
00:40:40Yes, it's free.
00:40:41You have to register for the chat GPT.
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00:43:31DeepSeek is looking at how they are using it.
00:43:34So, the CEO of ChatGPT, who is using DeepSeek,
00:43:38is clearly saying that DeepSeek has uploaded our information
00:43:42and created our AI.
00:43:46That is out of the rules of the world.
00:43:50On top of being out of the rules,
00:43:52they are clearly uploading it to ChatGPT's OpenAI
00:43:56and stealing information from us.
00:43:58So, they are clearly saying that we should not create new AI.
00:44:02This could be a problem of copyright
00:44:04or it could be a sanction.
00:44:06One more thing.
00:44:07According to the American ABC TV,
00:44:10DeepSeek's AI has a function to send users' data to the Chinese government.
00:44:17So, if users' data is used,
00:44:20it will be taken to the Chinese government?
00:44:22Yes. If you want to use DeepSeek,
00:44:25you can download the app on your smartphone
00:44:27or access the DeepSeek website on your computer
00:44:30and use it there.
00:44:32Then, the server itself is already in China.
00:44:39If you read the terms of use of DeepSeek,
00:44:41it is clearly stated that the service is under the supervision of the People's Republic of China.
00:44:47Mr. Hongo, we are on China's side,
00:44:50but if the Chinese Communist Party is needed in the Chinese law,
00:44:54you can't say that you can't deny it if you ask for information from various companies.
00:44:59The scary thing is that the Chinese government is not a parent company of DeepSeek.
00:45:05That's exactly what it is.
00:45:07If you ask a question,
00:45:09they will say,
00:45:10you are from China.
00:45:12I'm sorry to say this later.
00:45:14No, no, no.
00:45:15It's okay.
00:45:16It's been reported a lot.
00:45:18If you take all the information,
00:45:21it's a country that ignores international law,
00:45:27so it's impossible to sue.
00:45:31That's right.
00:45:32It's a government-to-government talk.
00:45:34However, the U.S. does economic sanctions as a tool.
00:45:38If you do that,
00:45:39for example, if Japanese companies are involved in DeepSeek,
00:45:43if economic sanctions are imposed on the U.S.,
00:45:45all American businesses will be unable to operate.
00:45:48In other words, Japanese companies will not be able to cooperate with the U.S.
00:45:53That's why it's better to stop now.
00:45:55Mr. Takahashi,
00:45:57what do you think about the suspicion of piracy and information theft?
00:46:02Well,
00:46:03the technology of piracy and information theft is often used in software development.
00:46:08Because it's often used,
00:46:09it's stopped by a contract.
00:46:11But in software development,
00:46:13especially in AI networks,
00:46:14it's really often used,
00:46:15so it's just like that.
00:46:17If you do this,
00:46:18of course,
00:46:19it's the same performance,
00:46:20and it's really cheap,
00:46:21so it's natural.
00:46:22Also, when it comes to Chinese software,
00:46:24if you bring the data to Japan,
00:46:26it's almost all the same.
00:46:27It's all the same.
00:46:28So even if it's just a Chinese software,
00:46:31it's all the same.
00:46:32It's not like that.
00:46:33It's not like that at all.
00:46:34It's not like that at all.
00:46:35It's not like that at all.
00:46:36If it's Chinese software,
00:46:37there's nothing that doesn't leak information.
00:46:39For example, registration information.
00:46:41From your phone number,
00:46:42address, e-mail,
00:46:43everything.
00:46:44It's all written there.
00:46:46As Mr. Hongo said,
00:46:47it all goes to the Chinese government.
00:46:49It's programmed here,
00:46:50and it goes directly to the Chinese mobile phone company.
00:46:53It's already built in,
00:46:54so it goes there.
00:46:55That's why it's a national product.
00:46:57Other than that,
00:46:58you can ask questions from here,
00:46:59and do answers,
00:47:00because it's AI.
00:47:01It's a conversation type.
00:47:02You can ask questions like that.
00:47:03Also, if a company is making a new product,
00:47:06and you want to ask the AI
00:47:08to teach you a different way of looking at it,
00:47:11and you want to put it in
00:47:12and try it out,
00:47:13and you put in the information,
00:47:15all of that information
00:47:16goes to the Chinese government.
00:47:18So it's like,
00:47:19you're going to bring it in.
00:47:20It's not that we're bringing it in,
00:47:21it's that we're sending it in.
00:47:22Another thing about performance.
00:47:24Another thing about performance.
00:47:26Take a look at this.
00:47:27NVIDIA's top-of-the-line chip,
00:47:30the H100.
00:47:31This alone costs 6 million yen.
00:47:34What does this top-of-the-line chip mean?
00:47:37Can you explain?
00:47:38It's called a GPU.
00:47:39In order to make an AI,
00:47:40you need a lot of power.
00:47:41You need a lot of computing power.
00:47:43You need a lot of GPUs.
00:47:44These could be graphics,
00:47:45or processing images,
00:47:47but you put them together in the AI,
00:47:49and you put them together into a large amount,
00:47:50like tens of thousands of them,
00:47:51and then you calculate it,
00:47:53and then you develop the AI.
00:47:54That's what it's all about.
00:47:55So it costs 6 million yen.
00:47:58So the GPU that you're using,
00:48:01the US's top-of-the-line chip,
00:48:02the GPT-5,
00:48:04the H100,
00:48:06costs about 35,000 of them.
00:48:09And that's how you make it?
00:48:11That's right.
00:48:12I think there are more
00:48:14I think there are more
00:48:16That's why it costs a lot of money
00:48:18And there's a lot of electricity
00:48:20But the DeepSeek is
00:48:22H800
00:48:24So it's
00:48:26H800
00:48:28It's about half
00:48:30The data transfer speed is about half
00:48:32We're using
00:48:342000 of them
00:48:36This one is 35,000
00:48:38The latest one is 35,000
00:48:40How is the performance?
00:48:42It's a lie
00:48:44It's probably a lie
00:48:46Because
00:48:48Since last year
00:48:50Right after this came out
00:48:52I heard from an IT person
00:48:54at a British information agency
00:48:56From last summer
00:48:58to the end of the year
00:49:00MI6 and CIA
00:49:02and other information agencies
00:49:04got all of this system
00:49:06and investigated the company thoroughly
00:49:08The latest chip
00:49:10H100 alone
00:49:12must have 10,000 of them
00:49:14Other than that, H800
00:49:16must have 10,000 of them
00:49:18Other than that,
00:49:20other semiconductors
00:49:22must have 30,000
00:49:24or at least 50,000
00:49:26They know this
00:49:28David Sacks has that information
00:49:30He's confident
00:49:32He's lying
00:49:34He's saying it's a lie
00:49:36It's a lie
00:49:38It's a lie
00:49:40It's a lie
00:49:42It's a lie
00:49:44It's a lie
00:49:46It's a lie
00:49:48It's a lie
00:49:50It's a lie
00:49:52It's a lie
00:49:54It's a lie
00:49:56It's a lie
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00:50:16It's a lie
00:50:18It's a lie
00:50:20It's a lie
00:50:22It's a lie
00:50:24It's a lie
00:50:26It's a lie
00:50:28It's a lie
00:50:30It's a lie
00:50:32He's poor at math
00:50:34That's right
00:50:36On my Youtube channel
00:50:38I always compete
00:50:40with ChatGTP
00:50:42So we're almost unbeatable
00:50:54Let's do one with him
00:50:56It's counted as a co-brand model
00:50:58according to deepseek
00:51:00In the case of ChatGPT, for example, if you say 1 plus 1 is 2, the answer will come back, but in the case of DeepSeek, if you say 1 plus 1 is 1, the answer will really come back.
00:51:091 and 1 are like this, so it's like this. In short, it doesn't give you a straight answer. It's a thinking type. It guides the answer by itself.
00:51:20Please take a look at Mr. Yamagata's view.
00:51:23The first view is that DeepSeek should not be downloaded now.
00:51:28The first reason is to ensure the safety of the data. It is possible that the data entered may be leaked to the Chinese government by the National Information Act.
00:51:35The company's secrets will also be collected, so companies need to be especially careful.
00:51:39The second view is that the Chinese government's censorship and unauthorized operation of DeepSeek will also be unauthorized by the Chinese government, so it is possible that unauthorized information will be leaked to the Chinese government.
00:51:50The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:51:55Yes, it is.
00:51:56Again, please.
00:51:57The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:51:58The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:51:59The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:00The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:01The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:02The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:03The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:04The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:05The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:06The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:07The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:08The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:23The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:24The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:25The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:26The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:27The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:28The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:29The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:30The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:31The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:32The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:33The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:34The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:35The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:36The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:37The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:38The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:39The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:40The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:41The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:42The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:43The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:44The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:45The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:46The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:47The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:48The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:49The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:50The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:51The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:52The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:53The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:54The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:55The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:56The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:58The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:52:59The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:53:00The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:53:01The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:53:02The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:53:03The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:53:04The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:53:05The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:53:06The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:53:07The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:53:08The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:53:10The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:53:11The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:53:12The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:53:13The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:53:14The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:53:15The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:53:16The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:53:17The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:53:18The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:53:19The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:53:20The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
00:53:21The Japanese government is paying attention to the use of DeepSeek, isn't it?
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01:00:00I hope the world will see something like that.
01:00:04Thank you so much.
01:00:08Next news is this.
01:00:10An accident occurred on the road to Yashio City, Saitama Prefecture.
01:00:12We might not make it in time.
01:00:14We might not make it in time.
01:00:16We might not make it in time.
01:00:18We will now hear from Dr. Takahashi, not Dr. Fujii, on the topic of how to move the Moon.
01:00:27Thank you for joining us.
01:00:28Thank you for having me.
01:00:29She is currently on her way.
01:00:31I'm sorry.
01:00:33Let's take a look at this.
01:00:34On January 28th, in the city of Yashio City in Saitama Prefecture, a large-scale landslide occurred.
01:00:40Tomoko-nee-chan, you were also in the news.
01:00:42Yes.
01:00:43You were optimistic at first, but then you said,
01:00:46This is terrible, isn't it?
01:00:49The landslide was this big.
01:00:52There were 15-meter-deep holes in the truck,
01:00:55and concrete debris piled up.
01:00:58The 74-year-old man on the truck is unknown.
01:01:01He is said to be the cause of the landslide.
01:01:05An evacuation request has been made to the 11th district near the site,
01:01:08and a request has been made to the 12 city councils in the prefecture.
01:01:13Dr. Fujii is on our side.
01:01:16The cause of the landslide is the aging of the sewage pipe.
01:01:19A 4.7-meter-wide sewage pipe was flowing under the road.
01:01:23Probably, a flow of sewage water occurred,
01:01:25and a hole was made in the concrete,
01:01:28and a cavity was made in the soil around the sewage pipe,
01:01:31which caused the road to collapse.
01:01:34Since 2015, the sewage pipe has been inspected once every five years.
01:01:39This time, the sewage pipe was inspected four years ago,
01:01:43and it was found to be exposed to bone material.
01:01:47It was supposed to be re-examined within five years.
01:01:53Here is a question from Nakamatsu.
01:01:58Do you think that road collapses will occur anywhere in the future?
01:02:02Yes, I've heard that the sewage pipe is getting old many times on this show.
01:02:08The number of sewage pipes is increasing every 50 years.
01:02:11It's a critical situation that can happen at any time.
01:02:16Dr. Takahashi, the total length of sewage pipes in Japan is 490,000 km.
01:02:23In addition, there are 2600 road junctions where sewage pipes
01:02:27that occurred in the 4th year of the Reiwa Era have been stopped.
01:02:30It's not on the news, but there are a lot of them.
01:02:33At the moment, 50% of the sewage pipes in Osaka City are over 50 years old.
01:02:40Dr. Ishii, do you think it's not strange that sewage pipes occur anywhere in the future?
01:02:47I think so.
01:02:49The sewage pipes occurred in the 4th year of the Reiwa Era,
01:02:52and the road surface is slightly curved.
01:02:55It's true that there was a hole in the curved road surface.
01:03:01But why is that?
01:03:03It's because it's a little old.
01:03:05It's easy to happen when it's old.
01:03:07The number of sewage pipes is increasing rapidly over the past 50 years.
01:03:14Until now, when the time came,
01:03:16we used to say it was a replacement,
01:03:18but we changed everything.
01:03:20We neglected it.
01:03:21If you neglect it, it will look like this.
01:03:23Please look at this.
01:03:25The average number of sewage pipes is over 50 years.
01:03:29In 2022, 7% of all sewage pipes will be over 50 years old.
01:03:35In 2032, 19% of sewage pipes will be over 50 years old.
01:03:41In 2042, 40% of sewage pipes will be over 50 years old.
01:03:44If we keep doing this, it will get worse and worse.
01:03:49We have to do something about it.
01:03:51When we replace sewage pipes, the ratio is always the same.
01:03:54I see.
01:03:55It's always the same.
01:03:56If that's the case, it's dangerous.
01:03:58If we don't replace sewage pipes,
01:04:00the number of sewage pipes will increase,
01:04:02and we won't be able to use them as much as we can.
01:04:04The sewage pipes that have been developed for high-economic growth are at their limit.
01:04:10It's impossible to renew them even if you do it normally for 100 years.
01:04:14Ms. O-Rin, did you know that there is a serious situation under the ground?
01:04:20Yes, I did.
01:04:21I can't believe it.
01:04:23I can't imagine this happening right in front of me.
01:04:28It's scary that this is actually happening.
01:04:31But if the government doesn't have the money,
01:04:33and if it's financially difficult,
01:04:35it's hard to dig a hole in the sewage pipe construction and renew it.
01:04:39I think it's tough.
01:04:42Is this a problem with the government?
01:04:44I wonder what the Ministry of National Defense is doing.
01:04:47Mr. Takahashi.
01:04:48To be precise, the government is in charge of the sewage pipe construction.
01:04:51The Ministry of National Defense is in charge of the entire construction.
01:04:54The Ministry of National Defense is in charge of the construction,
01:04:57and that's why we can't renew the pipes.
01:05:00People say that we don't have enough money,
01:05:02but it's not about the money.
01:05:04In fact, everyone who renews the pipes says it's a waste of money,
01:05:08and they issue a lawsuit.
01:05:10So money has nothing to do with it.
01:05:12Let's take a look at how to deal with the aging of the sewage pipe.
01:05:17This is how to deal with the aging of the sewage pipe that Mr. Fujii is thinking about.
01:05:21First, it costs 12 trillion yen to fix it after it's broken,
01:05:24but if you do it in advance, it's 6 trillion yen.
01:05:27It's half the price.
01:05:28Second, Mr. Takahashi said this for the sake of the local government and deflator.
01:05:32He said we should do it more internationally.
01:05:35It's not that the government can't do it,
01:05:37but it's international.
01:05:39Third, let's make a plan to maintain the future vision.
01:05:44Mr. Takahashi, Mr. Fujii, are you on the same side?
01:05:49That's right.
01:05:50I always talk to Mr. Fujii about how to do it.
01:05:56It's one thing to do it internationally,
01:06:01and it's almost the same thing to do it locally.
01:06:05I've said this many times,
01:06:09but we have to do it more and more,
01:06:11but it won't be a problem if it becomes a debt.
01:06:14It's a sewage pipe, so you can get money for a long time.
01:06:17It's not a problem at all.
01:06:18You can get a little bit of money little by little and return it internationally.
01:06:23That's how it works.
01:06:24So it's not a matter of money.
01:06:26It's not a matter of not having enough taxes.
01:06:29Mr. Takahashi's secret plan is under the ground.
01:06:34You're in trouble, aren't you?
01:06:35What should I do?
01:06:36There's a secret plan.
01:06:37Look at this.
01:06:39If you tweak the number of a secret, you can solve the problem.
01:06:43I'll tell you later.
01:06:47There is a special measure to prevent the aging of the infrastructure.
01:06:54Please take a look at this.
01:06:56Mr. Takahashi is on the side of 4% to 1%.
01:07:02I don't think you know anything.
01:07:04I don't know while explaining.
01:07:06The social discount rate is a numerical value that is a prerequisite for calculating to evaluate the cost-benefit ratio of public companies.
01:07:16This is a story about how to decide how to make roads, construction, and bridges.
01:07:25Please explain the social discount rate and cost-benefit ratio.
01:07:31As for the cost-benefit ratio, of course, it's the cost of building a pipe or construction.
01:07:40The effect is how many people are using the discount rate.
01:07:49The more people who use the discount rate, the higher the effect.
01:07:56The discount rate comes out in numbers.
01:08:00The cost-benefit ratio is whether or not you can compensate for the pipe by taking a lot of discount rates.
01:08:08When you dig the ground and make a pipe, you don't have to buy it because it's a big deal.
01:08:17You don't have to buy it because it's a big deal.
01:08:20You have to explain it in numbers.
01:08:23You have to explain it in more detail.
01:08:32The discount rate is 4% to 1%.
01:08:40If the discount rate is 4%, the future benefits will be reduced and the long-term infrastructure will be disadvantaged.
01:08:49If the discount rate is 1%, the long-term investment will be advantageous.
01:08:54What does this mean?
01:08:55If you look at the current monthly fee, you can get a monthly fee for a long time.
01:09:00The reason why the discount rate is so high is because the future costs will be very small.
01:09:05In other words, if the discount rate of 1 million yen per ton is high in the future, the numbers will be very small.
01:09:13Do you understand?
01:09:15That's why it's exactly the same.
01:09:17If the discount rate is 4%, you can judge that there is no future.
01:09:25If the discount rate is high, it is difficult to invest.
01:09:30If the discount rate is high, the costs will not be large.
01:09:34If the discount rate is low, it will be easier to invest.
01:09:36The principle is the same.
01:09:37If the discount rate is 4%, the future benefits will be small.
01:09:44If the discount rate is 1%, the future benefits will be high.
01:09:46Then, let's invest.
01:09:48This is the public business assessment of the Ministry of Public Transport.
01:09:51There is a section on the technology of cost-benefit analysis.
01:09:56The social discount rate is 4% for all businesses.
01:10:02Specifically, the social discount rate is 4% based on the reality of the international financial system over the past few years.
01:10:16It doesn't change for 20 years.
01:10:18You did this, didn't you?
01:10:19I was asked when I was in the Ministry of National Defense.
01:10:22Now, how much is the national interest rate?
01:10:24It was 4%, so I set it to 4%.
01:10:26After that, the national interest rate went down, but it remained at 4%.
01:10:29The national interest rate remained at 4%, so the public investment did not come out at all.
01:10:33It's 5 trillion yen.
01:10:34If you adjust it to the current national interest rate, 0.5 will become 1.
01:10:38Then, the public investment will be 15 trillion yen.
01:10:40As Mr. Fujii said earlier, you can easily clear 6 trillion yen.
01:10:44You can do this at 1%, so you can do it.
01:10:49It doesn't change for 20 years.
01:10:51It doesn't change for 20 years, so you can adjust it to the current national interest rate.
01:10:56If the national interest rate changes overseas, it will change as it is.
01:10:59I thought it would change, but it didn't.
01:11:01There are some people who are in the middle of the government.
01:11:08If you tell the person in charge to change it, it will be easier to do business.
01:11:15Then, there won't be any accidents.
01:11:17There won't be any.
01:11:19I feel sorry for the truck driver.
01:11:21I feel sorry for him.