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- Hasnaat Malik (Court Reporter)
- Saqib Bashir (Court Reporter)
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Maria Behm and today's talk story is about the impact of Trump's
00:16visit on South Asian politics and the impact it will have on the internal politics of Pakistan.
00:22Overall, what should we expect from the Trump presidency in this region?
00:26We will talk about this in the first part of the program.
00:28After that, the decision of the £190 million case has come to light.
00:32Will it remain stable?
00:33In the next part of the program, we will ask the court reporters what their technical expertise says.
00:38In the end, if it is a matter of harassment, then how is there a difference between special and ordinary women?
00:43We will give you an example and tell you that women who are powerful, their case gets fast-tracked.
00:48And ordinary women have been waiting for years to register their case.
00:53Let's start the program.
00:54Tomorrow is President Trump's visit.
00:56The whole world is in turmoil.
00:57Europe, Pakistan, South Asia, China, Russia.
01:02Everyone is bracing themselves for the Trump presidency.
01:05If we use this word.
01:08Everyone can have other reasons.
01:10Someone can anticipate, someone can dread it.
01:13But the whole world has been watching Trump's presidency very closely.
01:17The question is asked repeatedly in the internal politics of Pakistan.
01:21Tariq Insaaf thinks that after Trump's visit, at least a special attitude from Biden's administration will definitely change.
01:31Let's listen to what Tariq Insaaf says.
01:33We expect from Donald Trump that when he talks about Pakistan, he will also talk about Imran Khan.
01:39He had a good relationship with the US as a Prime Minister and President.
01:42Trump himself used to call him.
01:44He had a good relationship with him, like a friendship or a bilateral relationship.
01:47When Jaisalmer has engaged with Trump and his daughter-in-law and his team.
01:51They have been assured that the state of human rights in Pakistan and the state of Imran Khan will be among our top priorities after coming to power.
02:01The government says that pressure will come.
02:04There is pressure.
02:05There can be a tweet, there can be a phone call.
02:07Rana Sannaullah is saying this.
02:09He is a responsible officeholder in this government.
02:12He is close to both Nawaz Sharif and Shabaz Sharif.
02:16He says that when there is such a demand at the governmental level, then we will talk.
02:20Let's listen to different opinions about the PMLN case.
02:23I think whatever arrangements come, our foreign office will engage it.
02:30Right now, this is just a media hype.
02:33Even if Trump gives a statement now, it may be for two or four days.
02:37Giving a statement is something else.
02:39But if he talks at the government level, then the answer to that.
02:43He has made his Qibla in Washington.
02:47And he is waiting for 20th January.
02:49I am very clear.
02:51There was pressure for this.
02:52There is pressure.
02:54There is an article in Telegraph during this time.
02:56It says that the £190 billion case, its sentence, its punishment will clash with the coming Trump administration.
03:04This is their opinion piece.
03:05This is not factual.
03:06This is their opinion.
03:07This is their assessment.
03:08We are not endorsing this.
03:09We are just telling you how the world's intelligentsia interprets this judgment.
03:14They think that there may be mischief in the beginning with the Trump administration.
03:19Mushahid Hussain Saeed, senior politician, is present with us.
03:22The prediction of Trump's election.
03:25You talked about the mother of all deals.
03:27That's why we called you today.
03:29Today, we will ask you some more questions on camera.
03:34Because we don't know how many executive orders will come on the first day after Trump comes.
03:38Let's start with South Asia's politics.
03:40We will come back to Pakistan.
03:41Overall, what should South Asia expect from Trump's presidency tomorrow?
03:47I didn't just predict that Trump will win.
03:51I said that it would be good for him to win.
03:55For international politics.
03:57I also supported Trump publicly.
03:59Although, I talked to my American embassies and other people.
04:02They said that he cannot win.
04:04It is not possible.
04:05This is the demographic.
04:07They don't understand the reality.
04:09It is a desire.
04:10You saw that Trump's attitude towards China will not be like that of the Cold War.
04:20India better watch out.
04:22Both of these things.
04:24Biden was the worst president in American history.
04:29Even he agrees.
04:31Now, you see that the Chinese vice president will be present tomorrow.
04:36Han Cheng.
04:38He spoke to Xi Jinping on the phone the day before yesterday.
04:42Today, he is in the Wall Street Journal.
04:45Trump said that he wants to go to China in the first 100 days.
04:49People say that he is a friend of Modi.
04:55Modi's friend is here and there.
04:57Modi did not get the invitation for the inauguration.
05:00He tried.
05:01Yes, he tried.
05:02I think this is a positive thing.
05:06There is a leader who wants an economic world view.
05:11Not a military world view.
05:13Not a security world view.
05:14Not a Cold War world view.
05:16What Biden was doing was a total tilt towards India.
05:19Total hostility towards China.
05:21That will not work.
05:23As far as Pakistan is concerned, I think there is no doubt.
05:28When he looks at Pakistan, he sees only one face.
05:33He sees only one person who has made good relations.
05:38When Prime Minister Imran Khan went to Pakistan, he even mentioned Kashmir.
05:42He even offered Salsi.
05:44You can expect that.
05:46As it is, Imran Khan's lobby in the Trump system is much stronger than our government lobby.
05:55But as you said, he is a businessman.
05:57Some people are on the basis of some people.
05:59Mr. Khan is not in power.
06:01Yes, there is likability.
06:02But why don't people in power want to make relations with him?
06:05His approach is different.
06:07His approach is instinctual.
06:09People used to say that Trump is the strongest pro-Israeli president.
06:14He gave a stick to Netanyahu.
06:17He gave a warning that look here, ceasefire before you become my president.
06:22This ceasefire deal was ready.
06:25He gave a stick to Netanyahu.
06:28People used to say that Netanyahu is in power.
06:31It is not about power.
06:33It is a matter of preference.
06:35It is a matter of likability and interest.
06:38Pakistan's interests are also linked to stability.
06:41If there is a relief, if there is a compromise in Pakistan,
06:46if there is a healing touch,
06:48if the government and the opposition parties or Imran Khan or the establishment
06:52have a deal, then there will be peace and stability in Pakistan.
06:55It will be good for Pakistan.
06:57It will be good for America also.
06:59Why? Where is Pakistan in the relevance board?
07:01Oh, Pakistan is very relevant.
07:03I have heard that for the first time in history,
07:06Pakistan is at the bottom of the relevance board.
07:08It is the most relevant.
07:09This is our real problem.
07:11Our rulers themselves are small people.
07:13They have their own inferiority complex.
07:16They think that because we are small, our country is also insignificant.
07:20Maria Saheb, look at the map.
07:22Pakistan has China, Iran, Afghanistan, India and Russia.
07:28These are 70% of issues on Trump's foreign policy.
07:33And what is in the middle of it? Pakistan.
07:35Yesterday, the head of the Justice Department, Attorney General Pam Bondi,
07:41said that we need a regional approach for counter-terrorism cooperation.
07:47There is an article in Foreign Affairs.
07:49Graham Allison is a Harvard professor.
07:51And Michael Morrell is a former CIA director.
07:55He said that the terrorism red lights are blinking again.
07:58And we need Pakistan and Afghan Taliban to fight terrorism.
08:03But at this time, the natural ally of the Republicans has always been Muqtada.
08:07There are no political forces.
08:09No, I am talking about Pakistan.
08:11Whether it is Muqtada or not, it is a part of Pakistan.
08:14I am talking about Pakistan. Let's talk about Pakistan.
08:17The establishment of Muqtada in Pakistan is one component.
08:21Now there is also a people's force.
08:23Remember that Trump is engaging himself.
08:27Because his people are saying that what happened to Imran Khan,
08:30the same thing happened to you.
08:32There is also a little solidarity and struggle.
08:35So in that regard, he is against the deep state.
08:38America's deep state.
08:40He is not a representative of the American security establishment.
08:43He is the first president after John F. Kennedy,
08:45who is not a part of the American security establishment.
08:48So Trump is a different kind of person.
08:50He does not look at the file work.
08:52He does not look at the relationship between the Pentagon and the army.
08:55He works with his instinct, tweet and telephone calls.
08:59The one who has made the deal of Gaza, Steve Whitkoff.
09:03Who is he? He is his golf partner.
09:06He is an Arab husband. He is a businessman.
09:08He has zero experience in diplomacy.
09:11You are my special envoy in the Middle East.
09:13You will get this work done.
09:15That's how he functions.
09:17He is out of the box.
09:19He has a traditional approach.
09:22He has an out of the box traditional approach.
09:24He has not seen the Washington playbook.
09:26He has heard what the CIA will say,
09:28what the State Department will say,
09:30what the Pentagon will say,
09:32what the file work will say,
09:34what the spokesmen of the traditional establishment say.
09:36He is not like that.
09:38We should see Trump as an opportunity.
09:41We should tell him to do connectivity.
09:43You will not go pro-India.
09:45He has already pointed out two issues of India.
09:47Number one, tariffs.
09:49He said he will impose tariffs on Mexico, Canada and India.
09:53Second, illegal immigration.
09:55Do you know that last year,
09:57almost one lakh illegal Indians tried to enter America through Mexico.
10:0298,000.
10:04This is a new issue.
10:07But in Trump's administration,
10:09it is said that there are more elements to impose tariffs on India.
10:13We don't have an ingress.
10:15We spend money in our diplomacy,
10:18in our lobbies,
10:20in hospitality.
10:22Our people welcomed Biden so much
10:24that they waited for a few days to shake hands.
10:27Why don't we have an influence?
10:29I live in Washington.
10:31Washington is a marketplace of ideas.
10:33You sell a product.
10:35Pakistan is a very important and valuable product.
10:37We have failed to sell it.
10:39Imran Khan has hired two lobbyists.
10:42He has presented his case.
10:44That means he is a better salesman than these people who are in charge.
10:47You said there is an opportunity.
10:49The government of Pakistan and the state of Pakistan should work together.
10:53Yes, I am talking about Pakistan.
10:55How can we convert it into an opportunity?
10:57Right now, there is a lot of fear.
10:59There is a visible fear.
11:01Our approach revolves around prisoner number 804.
11:07How to control it?
11:09How to contain it?
11:11How to crush it?
11:13All of them have failed.
11:15I think, look at the larger picture.
11:17Pakistan is bigger than Imran Khan.
11:19It is bigger than the establishment of Pakistan.
11:21It is bigger than the government of Pakistan.
11:23Pakistan is a state created by the rule of law.
11:25It is a country of 25 crores.
11:28For that, I think, have effective representation in Washington.
11:32Present your case.
11:34Send special envoys there.
11:36And our areas of cooperation.
11:38Economic connectivity.
11:40Counter-terrorism cooperation.
11:42In this area.
11:44And our allies are with us.
11:46They should leverage.
11:48Countries like China.
11:50He wants to cultivate China.
11:52And we are supposed to be China's best friend.
11:54We should leverage that.
11:56We are part of the solution with Afghanistan.
11:58We are part of the solution with Iran.
12:00Regional connectivity, we are part of the solution.
12:03This is very important.
12:05And the economic outlook of Trump.
12:07We are the hub of regional connectivity.
12:09We should offer him.
12:11You should come and invest here.
12:13And join these regions.
12:15What is the aim of Trump?
12:17He is a one-term president.
12:19And he knows that after four years,
12:21he wants to win the Nobel Peace Prize.
12:23Now he is working for the legacy.
12:25And he is not dependent on the Jewish lobby.
12:27What will happen to me in the second term?
12:29He is not interested in that.
12:31This is very important.
12:33He is free to make decisions.
12:35Real freedom.
12:37Trump has real freedom.
12:39The talks that we are seeing in Pakistan.
12:41They are taking place.
12:43Political parties are talking to each other.
12:45Backdoor talks are taking place.
12:47Do you think that this is the reason
12:49that global changes are taking place?
12:51Do we see the effect of these talks?
12:53This is a big change.
12:55Iran is ready for a deal with Trump.
12:57China is ready.
12:59And Trump is ready to engage with Trump.
13:01The war in Russia is about to end.
13:03If he is ending the war in other places,
13:05then he will want to have a
13:07guarantor in Pakistan.
13:09Maybe Trump will offer himself.
13:11That I am the guarantor.
13:13I will get the mother of all deals done.
13:15As it is written in his book,
13:17Art of the Deal.
13:19And I think there is a positive
13:21thing that has happened in Pakistan.
13:23If direct dialling has started
13:25between 804 and Rawalpindi,
13:27then it is a positive development.
13:29Judgments are also coming in between.
13:31I have read the telegraph article.
13:33They say that there will be
13:35some mischief.
13:37Chairman Mao used to say,
13:39talk, talk, fight, fight.
13:41You should also do negotiations.
13:43And also do it with him.
13:45Like Mr. Khan tweets from there.
13:47Yes.
13:49You should also do negotiations.
13:51And also fight with him.
13:53So, fight and negotiations.
13:55And as a result,
13:57there is a benefit in dialects.
13:59Are we close?
14:01Do you know what happened in
14:03the Tihara conspiracy case?
14:05It was such a severe punishment.
14:07And what happened after six months
14:09of the Tihara conspiracy case?
14:11A plane came.
14:13Saudi Arabia's plane came.
14:15And it took it away.
14:17And at that time,
14:19an alliance of MRD was being formed.
14:21It was going to be formed.
14:23A new alliance of 18 Jamaats was formed.
14:25Mr. Ullah Khan was with them.
14:27A motion was announced for Bahawali democracy.
14:29And during that time,
14:31the Tihara conspiracy case was also going on.
14:33Now the opposition is talking
14:35that an alliance should be formed.
14:37Is there any scope for it?
14:39There is maximum pressure on both sides.
14:41I say that one is posture.
14:43One is policy.
14:45And the other is posture.
14:47Posture is very strict.
14:49We will not tolerate it.
14:51It is for the consumption of the audience.
14:53Everyone has their own constituency.
14:55You see, they had a meeting.
14:57The government was shaken.
14:59They are denying what the meeting was.
15:01And they are accepting that
15:03they had a meeting.
15:05There is a difference on both sides.
15:07If the end result is positive
15:09for the country,
15:11for stability,
15:13it will be good for Pakistan.
15:15Are we close to a breakthrough?
15:17Can you sense it?
15:19I think we are heading in that direction.
15:21And 2025 will be a year of reconciliation
15:23and change.
15:25In the beginning of 2026,
15:27or at the end of the election,
15:29if the current system is given
15:31enough time to decide the TORs
15:33for the election,
15:35is this a possibility?
15:37I don't see an election.
15:39I see a Bangladesh model.
15:41Federal governments will continue.
15:43There can be a change in the federal government.
15:45There can be a Bangladesh or Dr. Yunus type
15:47technocrat government.
15:49There is a need for a cooling off period.
15:51But why Mr. Shahbaz?
15:53He is working brilliantly.
15:55What will be a better choice than Mr. Shahbaz?
15:57Administratively speaking.
15:59I am saying that bosses can transfer you.
16:01People are working in the government.
16:03So they can be transferred.
16:05Do you think it is in the interest of the people's party?
16:07No, I don't think so.
16:09Is it out of the box?
16:11It can be changed in other ways.
16:13Everyone has a share in the provinces.
16:15In Punjab, Sindh, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
16:17They will have a piece of the cake.
16:19The overall situation
16:21can be changed.
16:23In that change,
16:25everyone will say,
16:27Salaam Saab.
16:29What about the politicians
16:31like PM LN?
16:33There is no politics right now.
16:35There is politics.
16:37No, there is no politics.
16:39We have to save jobs.
16:41We have to save seats.
16:43There is politics in the public.
16:45There is no public politics.
16:47There are three political forces.
16:49One is your establishment.
16:51One is PTI.
16:53And the rest.
16:55They are all together.
16:57For the first time in our history,
16:59a political party
17:01against an opposition party
17:03was formed.
17:05It was against Ayub Khan.
17:07It was against PPP.
17:09It was against PNA.
17:11It was against Mian Saab.
17:13It was against GDA.
17:15There are other alliances.
17:17But it didn't happen
17:19that a party
17:21was formed against a different party.
17:23Everyone has agreed
17:25that the road to Islamabad
17:27lies through Rawalpindi.
17:29There is an agreement
17:31at one point.
17:33They are challenging it.
17:35If they had agreed,
17:37they would have agreed
17:39two years ago.
17:41It is a perception.
17:43I don't think so.
17:45I think they all agree
17:47that the road to Islamabad
17:49lies through Rawalpindi.
17:51Rawalpindi's perceptions
17:53and preferences change.
17:55That's what happened
17:57when I met him.
17:59On one hand,
18:01people were sweating.
18:03On the other hand,
18:05people were celebrating.
18:07The focus of both parties
18:09is not the public.
18:11It is the power structure.
18:13Bangladesh's model
18:15is very successful.
18:17Look where they have
18:19ended right now.
18:21They have brought a revolution.
18:23250 people have been martyred.
18:25They have brought a revolution.
18:27A dictatorship
18:29has been created.
18:31It is a temporary
18:33stopgap arrangement.
18:35It is a complete change.
18:37In which country,
18:39has a nation
18:41changed its father of the nation?
18:43Has this ever happened?
18:45The father of the nation
18:47has been changed.
18:49The entire narrative
18:51has changed.
18:53Foreign policy has changed
18:55with India and Pakistan.
18:57This is a big revolution.
18:59This is a revolutionary change.
19:01We should welcome it.
19:03Bangladesh has become
19:05Muslim Bengal.
19:07250 people have been martyred.
19:09There has been a disruption.
19:11It was a very dangerous situation.
19:13Haseena Wajid had to leave the country.
19:15She had to run away.
19:17This is a very disruptive way.
19:19Revolutions are like this.
19:21As Mao said,
19:23revolution is not a dinner party
19:25It is an act of violence
19:27by which one class
19:29overthrows another class.
19:31Hopefully, we can work
19:33democratically and with a good transition.
19:35We can move forward with
19:37good vision and transition.
19:39Thank you very much, Musharraf Saeed.
19:41We will be back after a break.
19:43We will see the breakdown
19:45of the 190 million pound case.
19:47Will it be a problem
19:49in the superior courts?
19:51Stay with us after the break.
19:55Welcome back.
19:57The case of the 190 million pound case
19:59is being brought forward.
20:01There is a technical debate.
20:03Different legal points
20:05are being brought forward.
20:07The big question in this context
20:09is whether this decision
20:11will be able to stand
20:13in the higher courts or other courts.
20:15We have seen in the past
20:17that when the decision came from the trial courts,
20:19the decision in the Islamabad High Court
20:21was overturned on the basis of technicalities.
20:23This is not going to happen again.
20:25Anyway, Tehreek-e-Insaaf is going to challenge
20:27this decision.
20:29They were waiting for the judgment
20:31so that they can take the case
20:33to the higher courts.
20:35What do you have to say about this?
20:37We condemn this.
20:39We will challenge
20:41this in the superior courts.
20:43We will go to every extent
20:45against this decision.
20:47The country has benefited
20:49from this.
20:51This is the first case
20:53in which the country has benefited
20:55more than 20 billion rupees.
20:57This is the first case
20:59in which the country has benefited
21:01more than 190 million pounds.
21:03Azam Nazeer Tariq
21:05said that the appeal should be made
21:07and it will be made.
21:09But he raised the question
21:11about the timing of the appeal.
21:13He said that there are many cases
21:15that do not get appealed for 5 years.
21:17So, the decision should be made
21:19They should appeal.
21:21This is their right.
21:23I just wish that there is
21:25a system of justice in Pakistan
21:27that treats everyone equally.
21:29Appeals have been made for 5 years
21:31and people are in jail.
21:33People have been waiting for their
21:35judgment in the Supreme Court
21:37for 21 years.
21:39Another interesting development
21:41has taken place.
21:43Two new judges have been appointed
21:45in Islamabad High Court.
21:47Azam Khan and Ameen Minhaas
21:49have been appointed as judges.
21:51Will the challenge of 190 million pounds
21:53make a difference
21:55to the judges?
21:57What will be the structure of the bench?
21:59Will this case go to the Iny Courts?
22:01These are the questions
22:03that I want to know as a layperson.
22:05We have invited Mr. Hassanat Malik
22:07and Mr. Saqib Bashir
22:09to explain the complicated legal matters
22:11to us.
22:13Thank you very much, Mr. Hassanat
22:15for your time.
22:17Let's go one by one.
22:19What is your opinion
22:21on the decision that has been made?
22:23Do you see this decision
22:25remaining in the Supreme Court?
22:27We have seen in the past
22:29that the decision has been overturned.
22:31The way of looking at
22:33a political trial is different.
22:35A person's trial
22:37has to look at
22:39his relations with the government
22:41and institutions.
22:43When Mr. Nawaz Sharif's relations
22:45were not good,
22:47the punishment was suspended
22:49but acquittal was done
22:51when his relations were good.
22:53We have to see that
22:55Mr. Imran Khan is in this case
22:57and the judges in Islamabad
22:59are different.
23:01That is why the government
23:03tried and two judges
23:05were inducted.
23:07Now the bench will matter.
23:09Which bench is in Islamabad?
23:11Saqib will second this.
23:13Almost 95% of cases
23:15are with Imran Khan's
23:17Justice Amir Farooq.
23:19He is accused of delaying
23:21the process.
23:23Although he was given
23:25a hotel in Saifur
23:27against Imran Khan.
23:29It was a strong case against him.
23:31It was the fault of the prosecution.
23:33Whatever it was,
23:35Amir Farooq gave a hotel.
23:37Now we have to see
23:39which judge will be
23:41in Amir Farooq's case?
23:43Who will be the second judge?
23:45The two judges may raise
23:47PTI questions.
23:49If the judges are not confirmed,
23:51why are they being included
23:53in this high profile case?
23:55In minutes, it will be said
23:57that 6 members of the government
23:59supported Imran Khan.
24:01The other members who supported
24:03Imran Khan were pro-government
24:05members of the Judicial Commission.
24:07How can they challenge
24:09Imran Khan's case?
24:11Will it make a difference?
24:13There will be an objection.
24:15There is a legal cover.
24:17It doesn't matter.
24:19There is a pressure.
24:21It is a 14-year-old
24:23punishment.
24:25My experience in
24:27judicial reporting
24:29is that until Imran Khan
24:31is settled,
24:33this punishment
24:35will not end.
24:37There is a bench of 6 judges
24:39who have written letters.
24:41If a judge is included,
24:43it will be a different matter.
24:45Otherwise, there will be
24:47a settlement of Imran Khan.
24:49Otherwise,
24:51in the case of Al-Azizia,
24:53when I talked to a lawyer
24:55of the Sharif family,
24:57he said that it is very difficult
24:59to suspend him.
25:01The punishment was not suspended.
25:03When the situation
25:05was settled, it was settled.
25:07It depends on the situation.
25:09But technically,
25:11how sound is this decision?
25:13Is it solid?
25:15Is there room for improvement?
25:17Are there any loopholes?
25:19There is room for improvement.
25:21Mr. Jais has said that
25:23there are minor discrepancies
25:25in the statement of the witnesses.
25:27But they are natural.
25:29The decision of the Cabinet
25:31is based on trust.
25:33The opinion is divided.
25:35Does trust come in favor or not?
25:37I think it comes in favor.
25:39Even if you become a minister
25:41and you are not eligible,
25:43there are many dual nationals
25:45who say that we are not
25:47taking salary.
25:49It is written that
25:51holding an office is necessary.
25:53There is a need to have trust
25:55in charity.
25:57But we have to see
25:59whether the money given by
26:01the NCA knows
26:03that they have to go
26:05to the Supreme Court.
26:07These are the things
26:09that are necessary
26:11to prove reasonable doubt.
26:13There is room for improvement.
26:15In the appeal,
26:17we see the benefit.
26:19Mr. Jais tries
26:21to give relief
26:23on the basis of any discrepancy.
26:25It will go in favor of Mr. Khan.
26:27If there is settlement,
26:29things will go in favor.
26:31If there is no settlement,
26:33things will not go in favor.
26:35This is a good question.
26:37I want to ask this to Mr. Saqib.
26:39Mr. Tariq has also raised
26:41this question.
26:43Timing is also very important.
26:45I will ask you the same question.
26:47Do you think this case
26:49is strong?
26:51Like the previous cases,
26:53do you think it will be
26:55blown away?
26:57Technically, there are loopholes.
26:59What is your opinion on this?
27:03In this case,
27:05all the requirements
27:07of the fair trial
27:09have been met.
27:11Imran Khan and Bushra Dubey
27:13were given full time.
27:15In the first three trials,
27:17there was also an issue
27:19of fair trial,
27:21but as far as the decision is concerned,
27:23there are many loopholes.
27:25The question is
27:27whether this money
27:29was to come in the account
27:31of the state of Pakistan
27:33or in the account of the Supreme Court
27:35in which the government
27:37sent the money.
27:39Imran Khan says
27:41that the lawyer's stance
27:43is that the money
27:45went in the account
27:47in which the Supreme Court
27:49sent the money.
27:51Imran Khan says
27:53that the money
27:55went in the account
27:57in which the Supreme Court
27:59sent the money.
28:01In this case,
28:03he has sent an email
28:05to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
28:07and there are many questions
28:09related to that email.
28:11First of all,
28:13how did the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
28:15send an email to the Ministry
28:17of Foreign Affairs
28:19and secondly,
28:21who sent the email
28:23to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
28:25and who verified it?
28:27The prosecution did not bring
28:29any witness.
28:31When any document
28:33or relevant record is brought,
28:35the relevant witness
28:37has not been brought.
28:39The confidential deed
28:41in which the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
28:43sent the email
28:45was based on the fact
28:47that Shehzad Akbar
28:49gave this account
28:51to the NCA
28:53of the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
28:55There is a question mark on it
28:57and the witness was not presented.
28:59Secondly,
29:01what is written in the agreement
29:03between the NCA and a private person
29:05in the UK?
29:07Why did the government
29:09not present it publicly?
29:11Why did the government
29:13not present the prosecution
29:15on the basis of the submissions?
29:17In 2022,
29:19a committee of the PDM
29:21also said that
29:23this money was supposed to come
29:25to the account of the
29:27Supreme Court of Pakistan
29:29and it should be written
29:31to the Supreme Court.
29:33In May 2022,
29:35£34 million is coming
29:37to the account of the PDM
29:39government.
29:41Why didn't they stop it?
29:43The NCA is a private person
29:45in the UK,
29:47so what is written in it?
29:49These are the questions
29:51on the basis of which
29:53Imran Khan was convicted
29:55on the basis of the
29:57cipher case.
29:59The judge did not see
30:01the cipher case.
30:03The judge did not see
30:05who was twisted
30:07and who was prosecuted.
30:09The judge did not see
30:11who was twisted
30:13and who was prosecuted.
30:15The agreement in the UK
30:17did not come forward.
30:19I think there will be questions.
30:21The judge tried to support
30:23this decision.
30:25A lot of things were put in it.
30:27The fundamental question is
30:29whether the state of Pakistan
30:31has money or not.
30:33The IO also made a mistake.
30:35He also said that he did not
30:37see the cipher case.
30:39The change is that
30:41new decisions are being made
30:43in the Islamabad High Court.
30:45Maybe the Islamabad High Court
30:47is not the one who heard
30:49the cipher case.
30:51What do you think
30:53will be the effect
30:55of these new decisions?
30:57How can the bench be formed?
30:59How can the bench be formed?
31:01That is also politics.
31:03Please explain it to us.
31:05Mr. Tarar is the
31:07Minister of Law.
31:09He knows the law.
31:11Whenever an appeal is filed,
31:13a suspension of sentence
31:15is filed with the appeal.
31:17The appeal will always be
31:19filed on time.
31:21But the initial relief
31:23that Imran Khan and Pusha Bibi
31:25want is that they should
31:27be released on bail.
31:29It has to be decided in
31:31a month or so.
31:33The court says
31:35that since their appeal
31:37will be heard after 1.5 years,
31:39they should be given
31:41bail.
31:43If the appeal is heard after 1.5 years
31:45and the decision is made
31:472 years later,
31:49where will the middle area
31:51be covered?
31:53Imran Khan and Pusha Bibi
31:55will be released on bail.
31:57There are already
31:59big questions on the
32:01appeal.
32:03The decision was delayed
32:05three times.
32:07If the new judges
32:09are put in such
32:11high-profile cases
32:13in the first week,
32:15and the decision
32:17has been delayed for
32:19a month or so,
32:21there will be more questions.
32:23I don't think that will happen.
32:25You don't think that will happen?
32:27We have seen so many things
32:29in the last two years.
32:31Is this their wish?
32:33Or is it their wishful thinking?
32:35Who will be the bench head?
32:37This is the real question.
32:39The junior judges won't do it.
32:41The senior judges will do it.
32:43They can sit with them.
32:45But the bail will be
32:47discussed
32:49by the NAB.
32:51All the matters will be discussed
32:53only then.
32:55Pusha Bibi should be
32:57released on bail.
32:59There will be more punishments.
33:01The appeal was heard
33:03together.
33:05But all the matters
33:07will be discussed.
33:09You have raised
33:11Pusha Bibi's point.
33:13Do you think
33:15Pusha Bibi will be released
33:17on bail?
33:19She is a woman.
33:21Yes, she is a woman.
33:23There will be
33:2510-14 punishments.
33:27If there are 10-14 punishments,
33:29the chances will be less.
33:31It is definitely about Pusha Bibi.
33:33This is what the banks
33:35are talking about.
33:37Whoever is the bench head,
33:39there should be a senior judge
33:41with him.
33:43Justice Amir Farooq
33:45and Justice Mia Gul Hassan
33:47and Raqzeb, when they
33:49accepted Imran Khan's bail
33:51in the £190 million case,
33:53the Chief Financial Officer
33:55of the Al-Qaeda Trust
33:57said that he did not
33:59take any financial benefit.
34:01He took it.
34:03Secondly, the agreement
34:05with the UK
34:07when the bail matter was
34:09discussed, he said that
34:11it has not come on record yet.
34:13I am talking about May 2024.
34:15It did not come on record
34:17even in January 2025.
34:19These technicalities
34:21do not make sense.
34:23Thank you both.
34:25We will go on a break.
34:27It is a good thing that
34:29the FIA is closing
34:31the accounts of those
34:33who are running campaigns
34:35against Mariam Nawaz.
34:37But how many cases are pending
34:39in front of the FIA
34:41of ordinary citizens,
34:43ordinary women,
34:45who do not get speedy justice?
34:47We will tell you after the break.
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