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- Salman Akram Raja PTI
Imran Khan, Bushra Bibi Convicted In £190m Al-Qadir Trust case | Maria Memon's Detail Analysis
PTI Nay Gawaah Kyu Nahi Paish Kiye? Salman Akram Shocking Statement
"Imran Khan's Sealed Envelope was Opened During our Government..." Khawaja Asif's Statement
190 Million Case Main Saza Kay Baad Bhi Mazakrat Hongay? - Salman Akram Raja Tells Inside Story
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Mariam Aiman with the program Sawalik, today's top story is
00:14that the decision of £190 million case has come, no surprises, the government was also
00:18expecting the same and Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf was also not shocked by this decision, they
00:22were also waiting for this decision to come as expected, after this, will the future of
00:27the negotiations be related to this decision, will there be any effect on the negotiations,
00:31we will talk about this in the program, in the end, the judges of the court of appeals
00:35themselves are in the midst of criticism, why is this?
00:38There are two very unique examples in terms of their determination and promotion, they
00:42will present in front of you in the last part of the program.
00:45Let's start with the decision of £190 million case, which has been overturned several times
00:49and today it has finally been heard.
00:52The judge of the court of appeals in Islamabad, Nasir Javed Rana, has sentenced Bani PTI to
00:5614 years in prison and 10 lakh rupees in a £190 million case, his wife Bushra Bibi to
01:017 years in prison and 5 lakh rupees in prison.
01:04According to the decision of Para No. 133, Bani PTI has been convicted of corruption and
01:08corrupt practices, while Bushra Bibi has been convicted of corruption and corrupt practices
01:12and has been convicted of corruption and corrupt practices.
01:15In Para No. 134 of the court of appeals, the property and university of Al-Qaeda Trust
01:20has also been ordered to be transferred to the government.
01:23In Para No. 131 of the court of appeals, it has been said that the witnesses presented
01:27on behalf of the prosecution could not be denied by the defense team of the accused.
01:32The case of corruption and corruption was mostly based on documentary evidence and successfully
01:37proved its case against both the accused.
01:40In the decision, it was said that a few witnesses had to face long sentences, however, despite
01:45this, their testimony could not be affected and their statements were continuously and
01:49unanimously seen.
01:51In Para No. 131 of the court of appeals, it has been said that there may be some contradictions
01:56in the evidence, which are natural in such white-collar crimes.
02:00According to the court, despite getting multiple instances, the accused's lawyer failed to
02:05make a claim in the prosecution's case.
02:07In the decision, it was said that after reaching the conclusion of the case, the request for
02:11the acquittal of the accused should be withdrawn from the prosecution's side.
02:15The case was said to be an open and shut case.
02:17Tehrik-e-Insaf was also expecting a punishment in this case.
02:19There was no surprise on their faces today.
02:21No shock was seen.
02:22More or less, they were quite normalized.
02:24But in the past, we have seen the case of Iddat, the case of Saifar, the case of Toshakhana.
02:28In the same way, judgments come in a rush.
02:31A political statement is made on it from both sides.
02:34And after a while, what is the result of those judgments?
02:37Very easily, all these judgments are discarded.
02:41This has happened at least three to four times in the past year and a half.
02:44Let's show you a glimpse.
03:07The trial court's decision is tomorrow.
03:09It is an open and shut case.
03:11You have stolen Toshakhana.
03:13This is not a matter of your watch and empty watches.
03:16The Islamabad High Court has ordered the release of the accused.
03:19In the Toshakhana case, the punishment given by the court is suspended.
03:25Khawaja Asif is present in the first part of the program.
03:27Then the Minister of Defense.
03:28Is this as much of an open and shut case as the first three open and shut cases were?
03:33But I saw from the other courts that the acquittal has been made.
03:37Assalamu alaikum Khawaja sahib.
03:38You are participating in my program for the first time.
03:40Thank you very much.
03:41We welcome you.
03:42After today's decision, do you think this is a strong judgment?
03:45Because there were open and shut cases before as well.
03:48But we saw that the judgments were made here and there.
03:51After today's decision, are you confident that this is a strong case?
03:54It will be difficult to get release or relief later.
03:58Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim.
04:01It is a good coincidence for me as well that I have come to your program for the first time.
04:09Look, this is a long time ago.
04:13There was a period of PTA.
04:15Someone sent me this letter from NCA.
04:20Let me tell you that the letter was leaked from NAB.
04:25And the Public Accounts Committee called NAB.
04:34Chairman NAB and other NAB officials were also there.
04:38And we asked them this question.
04:41And in its continuity, we found out that this money is basically related to the amount that NCA has inquired and decided.
04:58And its proceeds have been sent to the Government of Pakistan.
05:02Basically, this was the property of the state.
05:06These were the proceeds.
05:08And from that, it was revealed that a closed envelope has been approved by the Cabinet.
05:18And the Prime Minister, despite the inquiries of four or five ministers, did not open that envelope there.
05:29Anyway, somehow, the documents reached us through various means.
05:39At that time, it was the PTA government.
05:41So, in that, it was revealed that the case that Mr. Saqib Musaad filed for the land of Karachi, Beria.
05:51After that, an account of a fine of 460 billion was established.
05:59Its installments have now been defaulted in that account.
06:04Mr. Malik Riaz is not depositing money in it.
06:09But this money has been deposited in it.
06:12And Mr. Malik was provided with this facility.
06:15So, the money that came to the state was adjusted in Mr. Malik's personal fine account.
06:24So, here comes the story.
06:30After that, the consideration is that Al-Qadar University, I think the name is wrong.
06:36This is not a university.
06:38He has never applied for the charter of the university.
06:42I am telling you officially verified things of that time.
06:48Never applied.
06:50This is an affiliate college of the Government College University of Lahore.
06:54In which only two subjects are taught.
06:56And there are 200 students in the last four years.
06:59It is 400 acres of land.
07:01How much land is there with it?
07:03Some money was also given.
07:05And a lot of considerations were involved in this.
07:08Evidence was also presented in this case.
07:11So, this is my own opinion.
07:14If I am a layman.
07:16I am a lawyer.
07:18But I have never worked as a lawyer.
07:21This is not even a university.
07:23Its name is Al-Qadar University.
07:26This university was built for the education of spirituality.
07:29There is a kind of computer college in spirituality.
07:33It is an institute that is built in the city.
07:36It has no greater status than this.
07:38All the money he got.
07:40Whatever funding came in it.
07:43That is also included in the story of the case.
07:49But the major thing that comes in crime.
07:54This money was the property of the state.
07:58The state was given by the NCA.
08:02I have a letter.
08:04I will send you the letter.
08:06I was looking at this in detail today.
08:08There is also a statement of the IO in front of me.
08:10He says that he has also not seen the agreement.
08:15Your government has been in power for two years.
08:18Now that the case is going on.
08:20Do you think the government of Pakistan should be disclosed?
08:24Should this NCA deal be opened?
08:28This envelope was made by a committee.
08:34After the conference, the PDM government came.
08:39A committee was made in which the chair of the committee was with me.
08:44This envelope was opened in it.
08:47In front of many people.
08:49I was not alone.
08:53The law minister was also present.
08:57There were many people in front of whom there was bureaucracy.
09:00In front of whom it was opened.
09:02All the cases are in it.
09:05I will check.
09:08If there is no legal bar.
09:10I can ask the government to publish those documents.
09:15Do you think it should be disclosed?
09:18Because this case is just on the grounds.
09:21There has been a punishment.
09:23All the facts have been discussed in the court.
09:28There will be an appeal in the future.
09:31There will be a discussion there too.
09:33Let me clarify one more thing.
09:36In that time, against Hassan Nawaz.
09:41The money.
09:45The property that Mr. Malgrias bought from him.
09:49The NCA also investigated it.
09:52The NCA.
09:54That transaction.
09:56Whatever the deal was.
09:58He declared it legitimate.
10:00And he did not pursue anything in it.
10:02But their money.
10:04Not only me.
10:06There are names of banks in all those claims.
10:08Where there are British banks.
10:12Where there was money.
10:14There is a jurisdiction.
10:16All the banks where Mr. Malgrias had money.
10:19He confiscated all of them.
10:21He got money from Dubai.
10:23From one or two other locations.
10:25If I remember it correctly.
10:27He got money from there.
10:29He came to the NCA.
10:31And the NCA ultimately transmitted it.
10:33And if I remember it correctly.
10:36There is also a testimony of Shehzad Akbar.
10:38Because Shehzad Akbar has handled this whole matter.
10:42There is also a testimony of him.
10:45Pardon me for not remembering the name.
10:47There is also a very big personality.
10:50He is also a witness in this matter.
10:52So I think.
10:54It was a very solid case.
10:56Because I have been acquainted.
10:58In two or three capacities.
11:00With this case.
11:02As a member of the Public Accounts Committee.
11:04And then as the chair of the committee.
11:07Which was specially formed.
11:10For this purpose.
11:13To open this envelope.
11:15And then the envelope was opened.
11:17I was present there.
11:19And there were other people present.
11:21But it should be disclosed publicly.
11:23Do you think it should be done?
11:25For full transparency of this case.
11:27Maria.
11:29The main document in it.
11:31According to which.
11:33The money has been transferred here.
11:35That is the main document.
11:38I will have it somewhere.
11:40I can produce that document.
11:42There is no such problem.
11:44I have all the documents.
11:46Okay.
11:48Sir is very confident.
11:50He says.
11:52When they go to the higher courts.
11:54That judgment flies away.
11:56So they are very confident.
11:58That there is so much mess in this case.
12:00Because no one has seen that agreement.
12:02Then today the judge also wrote in the judgment.
12:04That there is also a contradiction.
12:06But it happens in white collar crime.
12:08So this case can go in their favor.
12:10Like it went in the past.
12:14Look.
12:16This document.
12:18I don't even want it.
12:20Those who are punished.
12:22They feel.
12:24They have a right.
12:26They feel.
12:28The things that are not covered.
12:30On the lower stage.
12:32It will be covered there.
12:34That is.
12:36That is something.
12:38Which is legal and technical.
12:40But your political wisdom.
12:42You have been looking at the politics of Pakistan for 30-40 years.
12:44Do these punishments hold you?
12:46If you look at it.
12:48From the last two decades.
12:50Is it easy to predict by looking at it?
12:52In this.
12:54My.
12:56If I am not giving a bad answer.
12:58That.
13:00Financial.
13:02Misappropriation.
13:04His cases.
13:06In my opinion.
13:08Against politicians.
13:10They are less.
13:12You see.
13:14The cases made against Mian Nawaz Sharif.
13:16Any of them.
13:18The case.
13:20He did not go for prosecution.
13:22Because.
13:24The cases were wrong.
13:28He had to disqualify them.
13:30And.
13:32In Panama.
13:34His name was not mentioned.
13:36He was not mentioned in the Panama Papers.
13:38You know.
13:40One thing was made.
13:42And that thing.
13:44All the way to the Supreme Court.
13:46You will remember.
13:48In the case of Mian Nawaz Sharif.
13:50All the layers.
13:52Judiciary.
13:54They were not provided.
13:56They were not provided.
13:58The High Court was not provided.
14:00In the State Supreme Court.
14:02Even an administrative judge.
14:04May Allah give him heaven.
14:06Someone told me.
14:08No, no, he did not die.
14:10Someone else died.
14:12He was alive.
14:14I stand corrected.
14:16May Allah give him life.
14:18I.
14:20That family.
14:22I know.
14:24I know it well.
14:26Someone told me.
14:28May Allah give him a long life.
14:30May Allah give him a long life.
14:32May Allah give him a long life.
14:34He became an administrative judge.
14:36And then it is.
14:38What kind of pronouncements.
14:40He came in front of you.
14:42The prosecution that took place before this.
14:44I think.
14:46There has been a long prosecution.
14:48In the case of Mr. Zardari.
14:5012-13 years.
14:52He spent in prison.
14:54After that.
14:56One after the other.
14:58Knocked out.
15:00Right.
15:02Before that.
15:04The case.
15:06If I remember it correctly.
15:08Against politicians.
15:10Financial corruption.
15:12Cases.
15:14Will not be run.
15:16Against Zulfiqar Ali Buttal Shaheed.
15:18The case.
15:20The murder of Raza Qasuri's father.
15:22The case was run.
15:24I gave you three or four.
15:26After that.
15:28It seems that.
15:30The cases do not run much.
15:32Then there is a re-emergence in politics.
15:34Judicial commission.
15:36Is the decision to not make it final?
15:38Or somewhere.
15:40Judicial commission.
15:42On 26th November.
15:44Try to get a middle ground.
15:46Or both judicial commissions.
15:48Outrightly reject the government.
15:50Government.
15:52I do not have a stand.
15:54On this issue.
15:56But I have my own stand.
15:58Which I have said on TV.
16:00In different programs.
16:02If this commission is going to be made.
16:04If it is not made since 2014.
16:06When the protest was given by PTI.
16:08Then after that.
16:102018 elections will also come.
16:122024 elections will also come.
16:14In that.
16:16Protests will also come.
16:1826th November will also come.
16:20I think.
16:22Let's deal with.
16:24With our matters.
16:26Especially.
16:28Accuracy.
16:30In last 15 years.
16:32Or 12 years.
16:34If we deal with them comprehensively.
16:36Then it will be better for me.
16:38No one will have complaints.
16:40If you talk about the election.
16:42Tariq Insaaf has also stepped back.
16:44He is saying it on these two events.
16:46But this is your TV.
16:48You people.
16:50The government has not kept its demands.
16:52They have not asked for anything on the flag.
16:54This is the reward of the TOR government.
16:56I have given you.
16:58In my individual capacity.
17:00Let's go back to 2014.
17:02And start from there.
17:04Our grievances.
17:06The protest.
17:10Establishment did it at that time.
17:12In which.
17:14The names have come in front of you.
17:16The name of the king.
17:18And the name of the king.
17:20His name has come in front.
17:22He got it done.
17:24Then.
17:26The whole thing with the finger of the umpire.
17:28Then after that.
17:30In 2018.
17:32RTS.
17:34Now put this election in the middle.
17:36In which.
17:38BTI has grievances.
17:40Both sides.
17:42They have massive grievances.
17:44They will be sorted out.
17:46Right.
17:48Thank you very much.
17:50We were present in the program.
17:52The position of the government.
17:54As well as our personal position.
17:56Regarding the judicial commission.
17:58We will go to the break.
18:00Salman will be with us.
18:02Tariqin is going to challenge it.
18:04He is also talking about making a grand alliance.
18:06Both political and technical.
18:08We will talk about it.
18:10Stay with us after the break.
18:12Welcome back.
18:14You have heard the position of the government.
18:16Judgment has come in front.
18:18As you are reading it.
18:20This is IO's statement.
18:22IO is Mian Omar Nadeem.
18:24It is read.
18:26The last page of this statement.
18:28It is very interesting.
18:30It is signed.
18:32He is saying.
18:34I have not taken into possession.
18:36Civil miscellaneous applications.
18:38Filed by the Mashriq Bank in the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
18:40I do not know.
18:42That the settlement agreement.
18:44Between the parties was entered.
18:46Under the UK law.
18:48I do not know.
18:50As to where the settlement agreement.
18:52Between the NCA.
18:54Was executed in the UK.
18:56I have not seen that settlement agreement.
18:58Hence I cannot say.
19:00Whether it was right or wrong.
19:02I have not fixed any responsibility.
19:04Upon the NCA.
19:06Remaining cross examination reserved.
19:08I have seen in Pakistan.
19:10The cases of lower courts.
19:12At that time convictions are made.
19:14But Shazo Nader.
19:16Will be a case.
19:18The decision is not overturned.
19:20Especially if it is a political case.
19:22Will be the future of this case.
19:24We have seen the case of Iddat.
19:26It was overturned.
19:28We have seen all the convictions.
19:30Before the election.
19:32It could not stand.
19:34In other courts.
19:36This is a serious case.
19:38What is the legal strategy of the NCA?
19:40We have Salman Akram Raja.
19:42NCA Secretary General.
19:44The case has a political angle.
19:46We will talk about the technical angle.
19:48Are you surprised?
19:50You were expecting this.
19:52I was expecting.
19:54But I am surprised.
19:56What a joke.
19:58The whole nation was told.
20:00This money was from the state of Pakistan.
20:02This money was to come to our treasury.
20:04Imran Khan used his influence.
20:06Turned this money.
20:08Sent it.
20:10For the benefit of the state.
20:12To the account of the Supreme Court Registrar.
20:14Now read this judgment.
20:16This is an open challenge.
20:18Every citizen of Pakistan should be a lawyer.
20:20Where is this thing being proven in this judgment?
20:22Two things were to be proven.
20:24The first thing was to be proven.
20:26The money of the state of Pakistan.
20:28The money had been determined.
20:30This money was in 9 accounts.
20:32These accounts are freezed.
20:34After that, they are de-freezed.
20:36The money is returned to them.
20:38There is a settlement agreement.
20:40The IAO did not know.
20:42Where is the settlement agreement?
20:44What is written in it?
20:46How was this proven?
20:48This is also clear.
20:50No court in Britain.
20:52Did not say.
20:54This money is from the state of Pakistan.
20:56We have examples.
20:58Nigeria has received money from Britain.
21:00But under the jurisdiction of the court.
21:02Any investigative agency.
21:04National Crime Agency is an investigative agency.
21:06Like our FIA.
21:08They can't decide.
21:10If you have deposited a money in the account of a family.
21:14If you want to transfer it to the state.
21:16You needed a court decision.
21:18This did not happen.
21:20On the contrary, there is an agreement.
21:22Between the family and the NCA.
21:24We are returning this money to you.
21:26De-freezing.
21:28After that, as you just read.
21:30The East Bank was given the authority.
21:32This money is in Pakistan.
21:34Transferred to the registrar of the Supreme Court.
21:38There is no interference of the government of Pakistan.
21:40In the Cabinet.
21:42In December 2019.
21:44There is a case.
21:46There was a secret thing.
21:48Which was approved by the Cabinet.
21:50The same judgment is telling.
21:52The money was transferred to Pakistan.
21:54It started before that.
21:56Whatever happened in the Cabinet.
21:58Whether it was approved or not.
22:00This money was coming.
22:02Directly.
22:04From the accounts of the government.
22:06In Pakistan.
22:08In the account of the registrar of the Supreme Court.
22:10It has nothing to do with those three cases.
22:12All these things.
22:14The judge did not pay any attention.
22:16There is no mention in this decision.
22:18After that.
22:20This money remains there.
22:22In the account of the Supreme Court.
22:24All the money.
22:26The statement of the East Bank.
22:28After recording it.
22:30The Supreme Court transfers this money.
22:32To the state of Pakistan.
22:34And asks the government of Pakistan.
22:36What to do with this money.
22:38It was the decision of the government of Pakistan.
22:40To challenge that matter.
22:42There is no finding in it.
22:44Only this money is lying with us.
22:46We are giving this money.
22:48To the government of Pakistan.
22:50And the Sindh government.
22:52The government of Pakistan.
22:54The trust.
22:56The land was bought for it.
22:58It was bought in April 2019.
23:00It was transferred to the trust.
23:02A university was established on the trust.
23:04There was no benefit of a single penny.
23:06You have not presented a witness in the courts.
23:08I was listening to the judgment.
23:10You have not presented a witness.
23:12We do not need it.
23:14The case has to be proved in the prosecution.
23:16The judge says.
23:18The witnesses that the prosecution has presented.
23:20You have not proven their claims wrong.
23:22We have done it.
23:24It will be in the high court.
23:26They just had to prove.
23:28That this money.
23:30In the UK.
23:32The ownership of the state of Pakistan.
23:34This money in the UK.
23:36If the ownership of the state of Pakistan.
23:38Has not been declared.
23:40Then all the cases end.
23:42There is nothing left after that.
23:44The whole case has been made.
23:46The money that had become the ownership of the state of Pakistan.
23:48You have taken the money.
23:50It did not happen.
23:52The whole basis of this case.
23:54There is one point.
23:56Was this money the money of the state of Pakistan?
23:58It was not.
24:00You are going to challenge this.
24:02Of course we will.
24:04You have confidence in the higher courts.
24:06You do not trust them.
24:08You did not object to the judge.
24:10You do not object to the judge.
24:12You do not object to the judge.
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27:32...
28:02This is such a small thing that you can only make a commission on judges of the Supreme Court
28:06who can give their opinion, research and collect evidence.
28:09If you don't want to make that too, if you want to run away from the truth, then Mr. Achak Zahi is right.
28:14Then there is no point in talking, we will do what we can do.
28:18And what was the reaction of Mr. Khan-e-Basi from the Awam Party on this?
28:22He had a very positive reaction.
28:25He has lived a long life, he has been the Prime Minister of this country, he is a noble man.
28:30And what he had to say was that now we have to come together on one point.
28:34And that point is the point that will save Pakistan.
28:37Pakistan cannot move forward without the constitution, without democracy.
28:41What are the specifics of this?
28:42For example, you used to say that the decision on the 8th of January election mandate,
28:46now you have put it on the back burner.
28:48Not permanently, but you have put it back temporarily.
28:51See, the reason is that whatever they did on 8th, 9th of February,
28:55it cannot be changed with a snap of a finger,
28:58what happened on such a large scale with the election.
29:01It will be done through the courts.
29:02The courts have been turned upside down.
29:04The law has changed and the retired judge will listen.
29:06The election commission has been elected.
29:08So the whole system of the court has been attacked on the basis of the election.
29:13Of course, we have to stop that attack, but that is a matter of time.
29:19We want a fundamental agreement of this nation, of this society,
29:23that how we have to run this country.
29:25What are the specifics?
29:26See, they will come, the specifics will come.
29:28You are presenting a map.
29:29Where is the beginning of the specifics?
29:31See, we will raise the voice of democracy and civilianism.
29:36We will tell everyone to come with us and then things will take their own course.
29:40What are the consequences of that?
29:41Yesterday, we met Ghandapur Sahib, the army chief there.
29:44Khan Sahib congratulated him a lot.
29:47So what is the definition of civilian supremacy?
29:50We have to create a space for ourselves, a place for democracy,
29:55for political parties, for the voice of the people.
29:58So it will be born gradually.
30:00It will not happen with a snap of a finger.
30:02So we have to launch an action and we have to get involved in that action.
30:06We have to engage with those institutions, military forces,
30:10and our political forces.
30:13It is not possible that we turn away from one side and go to the other side
30:19and stop talking to them.
30:20We have to talk to everyone.
30:22What is the status of Maulana Fazlur Rehman Sahib in this matter?
30:25Have you approached him as well?
30:26Yes, we will approach him.
30:27Today, we decided that we will definitely approach him as well.
30:29His opinion so far was that he is in agreement with us
30:33that there should be talks for the promotion of democracy and the constitution in the country.
30:37But he should run his own parallel track.
30:40But we will have the necessary people with us.
30:44The news that you mentioned about the date of the election,
30:48because you said that it will not happen with a snap of a finger.
30:51There will be a system for it if we want to go towards the election.
30:53Is it possible that in the middle of 2026, if an election is made,
31:04is it acceptable for the people of Tariq?
31:06I will not say that we have made a decision on it.
31:09But there are certain things that can be discussed.
31:12Has there been a discussion within the party?
31:14Look, many people in our party have said that there should be a transparent election.
31:21When should it happen?
31:22We can talk about it.
31:23There are only two ways to get a mandate.
31:26Either our cases should go in front of non-partisan courts in the right way
31:32and whatever happened on 8th, 9th, and February should be resolved.
31:35The voice of the people should come back.
31:38Or there should not be an attack on the next election on 8th, 9th, and February.
31:42Both these things are such that we will have to discuss them on different levels.
31:47And time will also be required.
31:48Time will also be required.
31:49Tariq will find a time before the next election in which all this work can be done.
31:55Who can guarantee that what happened on 8th, 9th, and February will not happen again?
32:01There is no guarantee in 2026 or 2028.
32:03This is what I am saying.
32:04First of all, we have to get that guarantee.
32:06And for that guarantee, I think this nation will have to come together.
32:09So, for that time, if there is an election mandate under which this government is made,
32:15which is legitimate, I endorse it myself.
32:18But for now, this system will have to be run so that we can reform and have a better election.
32:23Is this the right interpretation?
32:25Look, the word reform is a very vague word.
32:28It is not that there is an order in our law that we will sit down and reform.
32:31We will change the law.
32:32No.
32:33What happened on 8th, 9th, and February had nothing to do with the law.
32:36It was an attack on the law.
32:37You can make any law, but you cannot stop that kind of attack.
32:41If R.O. Sahiban, polling agent, whatever happened to them,
32:44if it happens again with the presiding officers, then no law will be able to stop it.
32:50Therefore, the consensus that we have to create,
32:54the consensus that we have to create between the political parties and the nation,
33:01is that we will not accept such an attack on the election as a nation.
33:06And for that, you are in pain right now.
33:08So, the Chief Election Commissioner's term is coming to an end.
33:11It is possible that an extension may be given.
33:13But in this regard, has the government contacted the opposition?
33:16We have written this.
33:17It has been written by us.
33:18And this action should be completed soon.
33:21And you do not have any objections to its methodology?
33:24You do not want to change it either?
33:25The methodology is fine.
33:26It is there.
33:27Whatever they did in the 26th amendment, it is there.
33:29In that, they said that even after their term is over, they will continue to work.
33:33As long as there is no resolution of the new constitution,
33:37we want a resolution of the new constitution as soon as possible.
33:40So, your legal and political strategy on both,
33:43one opinion is that you have a legal strategy,
33:46but you do not seem to have a political strategy.
33:49You are not taking to the streets right now.
33:52Now, you have started forming an alliance,
33:54which should have been formed a long time ago.
33:56In such negotiations,
33:57on the basis of the Judicial Commission,
33:59if there were other political parties with you,
34:01then its weight would have increased a lot.
34:02The pressure would have increased a lot.
34:03It is possible that we could have done this earlier.
34:05But I do not think so.
34:06I think that the era we were going through,
34:09the way we were being attacked,
34:10our hundreds and thousands of people were in jails,
34:13then it was not possible at that time.
34:15Maybe it was possible.
34:16This is an assumption.
34:17But whenever we start this action,
34:19we think that it is important for the country.
34:21It is necessary.
34:22In fact, it is necessary.
34:23So, now, as a nation,
34:25we will have to decide
34:28how we will run this country.
34:30Be it Balochistan,
34:31or Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
34:32the situation,
34:33this was our agreement today.
34:35Mahmood Khan Achakzai was there,
34:37Allama Nasir of the Muslim Unity Council was there,
34:41the son of the Sunni Unity Council,
34:44Hamid Raza was there,
34:45and other people from all over the country.
34:47The current situation of this country
34:49is extremely worrisome.
34:51And especially in many areas of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
34:53and in many areas of Balochistan,
34:55we have to do something.
34:57And for this, it is necessary
34:58that we start this movement.
35:01The purpose of this is
35:02that we gather all the people in this country,
35:06and do not let this country fall apart.
35:08And we talk about the constitution,
35:09and unite the people around it,
35:11and all the powers,
35:12and talk to the authorities.
35:13Right.
35:14Now, the two places that have been discussed,
35:16Mr. Gandapur is also in touch.
35:18But there is a discussion.
35:20So you expect more from the General Assembly?
35:23I think we will have to do this on both sides.
35:25Who do you expect more from?
35:27We expect more from the people of Pakistan.
35:29As a result of today's session,
35:32if we are successful in running a joint movement,
35:36then I think the solution to the country's issues…
35:39How much hope do you have on the Government Committee's discussions?
35:41Not much.
35:42And how much hope do you have
35:43from what Mr. Gandapur has said?
35:44Look, it is possible.
35:45If something happens,
35:46we want that the kind of difficult times we have seen,
35:51if there is a shortage in that,
35:53then it is good for the country.
35:55Even after today's decision,
35:56do you think that the difficult times…
35:58Look, today's decision is nothing.
36:00I do not give much importance to today's decision.
36:02I think that the conscious people,
36:05in every class,
36:06and in every institution,
36:07they are understanding
36:08that the country's biggest political reality
36:10cannot be denied.
36:12You cannot move forward by denying PTI and Imran Khan.
36:16In this country,
36:17if you want prosperity,
36:18if you want economic development,
36:19then you need political stability.
36:21And it will not be silenced by such decisions
36:23and by silencing Imran Khan.
36:25It will not be silenced.
36:26Tehreek-e-Insaf will not be silenced.
36:28This country will not be silenced.
36:29Right. Thank you very much.
36:30Salman Akham Rajat,
36:31Secretary General of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
36:33The program is available with us.
36:34We will go to the break
36:35and then we will tell you
36:36that the statements in the Judicial Court,
36:38or the promotions,
36:39or the statements of the judges,
36:41is a very fascinating method.
36:44We will present two examples to you.
36:46We have taken out a very interesting background.
36:49Stay with us after the break.
36:54Welcome back.
36:55In Pakistan,
36:56the Judicial Court
36:57has always been the target of criticism.
36:59But in this,
37:00the statements of the judges,
37:01their promotion,
37:02their elevation,
37:03and their election,
37:04what are the factors behind this?
37:07This is a very interesting method.
37:09We have taken some examples from history.
37:11And we will present them to you.
37:12We have taken two examples.
37:13One is of today's judge,
37:15whose name is Nasir Javed Rana.
37:18He has given a judgment of £190 million today.
37:21In 2004,
37:22an interesting news was published about him.
37:24We took it out.
37:25On 26 October 2004,
37:27Supreme Court Chief Justice Nazim Hussain Siddiqui
37:29ordered Magistrate Nasir Javed Rana
37:31to withdraw his judicial powers.
37:35Magistrate Nasir Javed Rana was accused
37:37of illegally imprisoning a senior lawyer,
37:39Habib Wahab Khairi,
37:41while he was protesting against the law.
37:44Chief Justice wrote in his ruling
37:46that Nasir Javed Rana
37:47is not fit for judicial services.
37:50Chief Justice further said in his ruling
37:52that Magistrate intentionally
37:53insulted his class
37:54and put the sanctity of the court in danger
37:56and handed over a senior lawyer
37:57to the police.
37:59Magistrate has not fulfilled the legal requirements
38:02to hand over a senior lawyer to the police.
38:06After 20 years,
38:07a high-profile case was filed.
38:09He has given a judgment of £190 million
38:11in which he has used his powers.
38:15His journey in 20 years
38:17will be very interesting.
38:19The second example is
38:21a fascinating phenomenon.
38:23He was a former prosecutor of ANF
38:25who has been nominated as a judge today.
38:28Why am I telling you this?
38:30Because it was a very high-profile case
38:32of Rana Sanaullah.
38:33The Judicial Commission has nominated
38:35Session Judge Azam Khan
38:36and former President of Islamabad High Court
38:38Raja Inamuddin Minhas
38:40as judges of Islamabad High Court.
38:43Raja Inam Amin Minhas
38:45was the chief prosecutor of ANF
38:47in the case of drug trafficking
38:49against Musheer-e-Wazir-e-Azam Rana Sanaullah.
38:52At that time, Raja Inam Amin Minhas
38:54said that all the evidences
38:56against Rana Sanaullah
38:57are present including the video.
38:59But later, Rana Sanaullah
39:01was acquitted in this case.
39:03Today, he is the Musheer-e-Wazir-e-Azam.
39:05Rana Sanaullah was successful
39:07and he became the Musheer-e-Wazir-e-Azam.
39:09Raja Inam Amin Minhas
39:11has been nominated as a judge.
39:13Pakistan's system is very unique.
39:15The program is over.
39:17Don't forget to give your feedback.
39:19Khuda Hafiz.