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- Senator Faisal Vawda (Senior Leader)
- Shahid Khaqan Abbasi (Former PM)
"We will appeal, and the case will be dismissed in the first or second hearing" Sheikh Waqas Akram
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Host:
- Aniqa Nisar
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- Sheikh Waqas Akram PTI
- Senator Faisal Vawda (Senior Leader)
- Shahid Khaqan Abbasi (Former PM)
"We will appeal, and the case will be dismissed in the first or second hearing" Sheikh Waqas Akram
"Abhi Tou Bhaut Kuch Dehkna Baki Hai ...." Faisal Vawda Breaks Big News
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00:00In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful, I am Anika Nisar with the program Ad-Razia.
00:13Viewers, today the verdict of that case has come.
00:16Due to the verdict of that case, there was a delay for a long time.
00:20In the case of £190 million, Imran Khan and Bushra Bibi were punished.
00:26Imran Khan was punished for 14 years
00:28and Bushra Bibi was punished for 7 years.
00:30Along with this, Imran Khan was fined £10,000,000 and Bushra Bibi was fined £5,000,000.
00:37There was a delay for a long time due to the verdict of that case.
00:40Last Monday passed after that.
00:42But the verdict did not come.
00:44Today, when the verdict came, there were different reactions.
00:48What was the government's reaction to this case?
00:52First of all, let's listen to that.
00:54Tariq-e-Insaaf had the right to give evidence in his defence.
00:58He should have gone as a witness.
01:01Even if he didn't go, there was a presumption that he had nothing to say.
01:05Now he has the right to file an appeal.
01:07There are timelines.
01:09The policy of first in, first out should be the same in these cases.
01:13You have failed to prove your innocence.
01:16It was an open and shut case from day one.
01:18After today, someone will think a hundred times while doing such mega corruption in Pakistan.
01:22This was not a trust of EDI or CHIPA.
01:25Black money was taken for bribery.
01:27It was made to hide it.
01:29He has the right to appeal.
01:31But he will have to fight the case legally.
01:33It is the decision of the state.
01:34Whether it is 9th May, 26th November,
01:35whether it is rebellion or corruption,
01:37there will be no forgiveness on this.
01:39It is the decision of a case of £190 million.
01:41Not only has theft been proven on himself,
01:43but it is the prime minister of the first date who was caught red-handed while taking bribe.
01:49The interesting thing is that in the decision of this case,
01:53the accused, who was present in Adiala jail,
01:55has given Al-Qadir Trust to the government.
01:58And it is very clearly stated in this decision,
02:00in the written ruling,
02:02that the accused, who could not deny the testimonies of the accused,
02:06the case of the accused was based on the testimonies of the accused,
02:09which were proven to be correct.
02:11In this, it is very clearly stated that the evidence,
02:14the testimonies,
02:15which were presented in the defence of the accused,
02:17and the testimonies of the accused,
02:19were also false at this time.
02:21That is, the entire case, which was on the part of the prosecution,
02:24was strong.
02:25But it cannot be defended by the defence.
02:27And in this regard,
02:28in the £190 million case,
02:30Uran Khan and his wife, Bushra Bibi,
02:32were sentenced.
02:34The reaction of the government,
02:36which you have just seen,
02:37is in front of you.
02:38But also, Maryam Nawaz Sharif Sahiba,
02:39has given a very interesting statement about Al-Qadir Trust,
02:41which I will tell you later.
02:42But,
02:43before that,
02:44Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf has made it clear
02:47that in this case,
02:48we will now
02:49go to further courts
02:51for a legal settlement.
02:54We could see it written on the wall,
02:56neither Khan Sahib is disappointed,
02:58nor are we disappointed.
02:59Within a few days,
03:00we will file an appeal in the High Court.
03:02We trust that, God willing,
03:04Khan Sahib will be at peace.
03:06Today's decision,
03:07we condemn it.
03:08Today,
03:09for the entire case,
03:10there is a black box on top.
03:12Against this,
03:13to every extent,
03:14whatever legal action is required,
03:16we will take full legal action.
03:18Today,
03:19we condemn this.
03:20We will challenge this
03:22in the Superior Court.
03:24The thieves are roaming outside.
03:26This is Al-Qadir University,
03:27in which neither the government
03:28suffered a loss,
03:29nor did Imran Khan and Bushra Bibi
03:31benefit from a single penny.
03:33Today,
03:34Imran Khan has been politically targeted
03:36by another heinous attempt.
03:38We will go everywhere against this decision.
03:40We will file a complaint against this
03:42all over the world.
03:46Now,
03:47the fact that you have heard
03:49Faisal Chaudhary's statement
03:50all over the world,
03:51is very important.
03:52Because before this,
03:53Aleema Khan Sahiba
03:54has already announced
03:56that international
03:57and those institutions,
03:58which are institutions of human rights,
04:00Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
04:01will definitely go towards them.
04:03Politically,
04:04the PTI government was being accused
04:06of putting up a wall.
04:08But the government says
04:09that somehow,
04:10these are the principles of practice,
04:12which at some time,
04:13which Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
04:15was being warned about
04:17by this government.
04:19Now, these are the principles of practice,
04:21or this is political victimization,
04:23or whatever it is.
04:24At this time,
04:25all this converges
04:26that in the end,
04:27the negotiations that are taking place,
04:29which are being done in Pakistan
04:31to improve political instability,
04:33will they be affected
04:35or not,
04:36Minister of Defence?
04:37Khawaja Asif's statement
04:38on this issue is in front of us.
04:40There will be no issue
04:41with the executive order.
04:42In the negotiations,
04:43there is a demand
04:44that the prisoner should be released
04:45under the executive order.
04:46But this will not happen.
04:47The courts have given the punishment.
04:49The courts can give them relief.
04:51If someone tells them
04:52that I have forbidden them
04:53from negotiating,
04:54I am the biggest supporter
04:55of political negotiations.
04:56I repeatedly say
04:57that this negotiation
04:58should be spread.
04:59Once the situation
05:00of all the patients
05:01has been resolved.
05:05Now, this situation
05:06is in front of us
05:07and certainly,
05:08this is a tense situation.
05:09On one hand,
05:10there are negotiations.
05:11On the other hand,
05:12there are decisions.
05:13On the third hand,
05:14there is a demand
05:15from the executive order
05:16to resolve
05:17all the issues
05:18of Imran Khan.
05:19At what point
05:20or at what turn
05:21will this camel sit?
05:22This question
05:23is definitely
05:24a tongue twister.
05:25What is Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
05:26finding the answer
05:27to this question?
05:28Sheikh Waqar Sakram
05:29is present with us.
05:30He is the Secretary-in-Chief
05:31of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
05:32Thank you very much,
05:33Sheikh Sahib,
05:34for joining us.
05:35It is a pleasure having you.
05:36Sheikh Sahib,
05:37this issue
05:38will be taken to the courts.
05:39Obviously,
05:40you have a legal option
05:41to go to an appeal
05:42and then go to the Supreme Court
05:43and so on and so forth.
05:44But,
05:45this issue
05:46of going towards
05:47international organizations,
05:48Aleema Khan has already
05:49mentioned this.
05:50Which international
05:51organizations are you
05:52planning to go to
05:53according to
05:54Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf,
05:55Sheikh Sahib?
05:56Look,
05:57what Aleema Khan
05:58mentioned
05:59was about
06:00human rights
06:01organizations
06:02because
06:03here,
06:04with our workers,
06:05custodial torture
06:06and our missing
06:07people,
06:08our lists are
06:09up and down
06:10and many of our
06:11people are
06:12prisoners
06:13who are
06:14being
06:15treated
06:16very rough
06:17in a very
06:18inhumane
06:19manner
06:20in jails.
06:21Obviously,
06:22all of their
06:23relatives
06:24are present
06:25in the diaspora.
06:26Their families
06:27are present there.
06:28People from
06:29their provinces
06:30are present.
06:31So,
06:32those who
06:33do not get
06:34civil and political
06:35treatment,
06:36they do
06:37try to
06:38get it.
06:39So,
06:40these
06:41international
06:42organizations
06:43that
06:44Faisal Chaudhry
06:45is talking
06:46about,
06:47these are also
06:48international
06:49organizations
06:50with human
06:51rights.
06:52This
06:53statement
06:54came after
06:55Imran Khan's
06:56decision.
06:57So,
06:58is this
06:59specifically
07:00about
07:01Khan
07:02and his
07:03wife?
07:04Or
07:05is this
07:06a separate
07:07statement?
07:08Okay.
07:09So,
07:10this
07:11statement
07:12came after
07:13Imran Khan's
07:14decision.
07:15So,
07:16is this
07:17specifically
07:18about
07:19Khan and
07:20his wife?
07:21Okay.
07:22So,
07:23is this
07:24specifically
07:25about
07:26Khan and
07:27his wife?
07:28Okay.
07:29So,
07:30is this
07:31specifically
07:32about
07:33Khan
07:34and
07:35his
07:36wife?
07:37Okay.
07:38So,
07:39is this
07:40specifically
07:41about
07:42Khan and
07:43his
07:44wife?
07:45Okay.
07:46So,
07:47is this
07:48specifically
07:49about
07:50Khan and
07:51his
07:52wife?
07:53Okay.
07:54So,
07:55is this
07:56specifically
07:57about
07:58Khan and
07:59his
08:00wife?
08:01Okay.
08:02So,
08:03is this
08:04specifically
08:05about
08:06Khan and
08:07his
08:08wife?
08:09Okay.
08:10So,
08:11is this
08:12specifically
08:13about
08:14Khan and
08:15his
08:16wife?
08:17Okay.
08:18So,
08:19is this
08:20specifically
08:21about
08:22Khan and
08:23his
08:24wife?
08:25Okay.
08:26So,
08:27is this
08:28specifically
08:29about
08:30Khan and
08:31his
08:32wife?
08:33Okay.
08:34So,
08:35is this
08:36specifically
08:37about
08:38Khan and
08:39his
08:40wife?
08:41Okay.
08:42So,
08:43is this
08:44specifically
08:45about
08:46Khan and
08:47his
08:48wife?
08:49Okay.
08:50So,
08:51is this
08:52specifically
08:53about
08:54Khan and
08:55his
08:56wife?
08:57Okay.
08:58So,
08:59is this
09:00specifically
09:01about
09:02Khan and
09:03his
09:04wife?
09:05Okay.
09:06So,
09:07is this
09:08specifically
09:09about
09:10Khan and
09:11his
09:12wife?
09:13Okay.
09:14So,
09:15is this
09:16specifically
09:17about
09:18Khan and
09:19his
09:20wife?
09:21Okay.
09:22So,
09:23is this
09:24specifically
09:25about
09:26Khan and
09:27his
09:28wife?
09:29Okay.
09:30So,
09:31is this
09:32specifically
09:33about
09:34Khan and
09:35his
09:36wife?
09:37Okay.
09:38So,
09:39is this
09:40specifically
09:41about
09:42Khan and
09:43his
09:44wife?
09:45Okay.
09:46So,
09:47is this
09:48specifically
09:49about
09:50Khan and
09:51his
09:52wife?
09:53Okay.
09:54So,
09:55is this
09:56specifically
09:57about
09:58Khan and
09:59his
10:00wife?
10:01Okay.
10:02So,
10:03is this
10:04specifically
10:05about
10:06Khan and
10:07his
10:08wife?
10:09Okay.
10:10So,
10:11is this
10:12specifically
10:13about
10:14Khan and
10:15his
10:16wife?
10:17Okay.
10:18So,
10:19is this
10:20specifically
10:21about
10:22Khan and
10:23his
10:24wife?
10:25Okay.
10:26So,
10:27is this
10:28specifically
10:29about
10:30Khan and
10:31his
10:32wife?
10:33Okay.
10:34So,
10:35is this
10:36specifically
10:37about
10:38Khan and
10:39his
10:40wife?
10:41Okay.
10:42So,
10:43is this
10:44specifically
10:45about
10:46Khan and
10:47his
10:48wife?
10:49Okay.
10:50So,
10:51is this
10:52specifically
10:53about
10:54Khan and
10:55his
10:56wife?
10:57Okay.
10:58So,
10:59is this
11:00specifically
11:01about
11:02Khan and
11:03his
11:04wife?
11:05Okay.
11:06So,
11:07is this
11:08specifically
11:09about
11:10Khan and
11:11his
11:12wife?
11:13Okay.
11:14So,
11:15is this
11:16specifically
11:17about
11:18Khan and
11:19his
11:20wife?
11:21Okay.
11:22So,
11:23is this
11:24specifically
11:25about
11:26Khan and
11:27his
11:28wife?
11:29Okay.
11:30So,
11:31is this
11:32specifically
11:33about
11:34Khan and
11:35his
11:36wife?
11:37Okay.
11:38So,
11:39is this
11:40specifically
11:41about
11:42Khan and
11:43his
11:44wife?
11:45Okay.
11:46So,
11:47is this
11:48specifically
11:49about
11:50Khan and
11:51his
11:52wife?
11:53Okay.
11:54So,
11:55is this
11:56specifically
11:57about
11:58Khan and
11:59his
12:00wife?
12:01Okay.
12:02So,
12:03is this
12:04specifically
12:05about
12:06Khan and
12:07his
12:08wife?
12:09Okay.
12:10So,
12:11is this
12:12specifically
12:13about
12:14Khan and
12:15his
12:16wife?
12:17Okay.
12:18So,
12:19is this
12:20specifically
12:21about
12:22Khan and
12:23his
12:24wife?
12:54Okay.
12:55So,
13:23is this
13:24specifically
13:25about
13:26Khan and
13:27his
13:28wife?
13:29Okay.
13:54So,
13:55is this
13:56specifically
13:57about
13:58Khan and
13:59his
14:00wife?
14:01Okay.
14:02So,
14:03is this
14:04specifically
14:05about
14:06Khan and
14:07his
14:08wife?
14:09Okay.
14:10So,
14:11is this
14:12specifically
14:13about
14:14Khan and
14:15his
14:16wife?
14:17Okay.
14:18So,
14:19is this
14:20specifically
14:21about
14:22Khan and
14:23his
14:24wife?
14:53Okay.
14:54So,
15:22is this
15:23specifically
15:24about
15:25Khan and
15:26his
15:27wife?
15:28Okay.
15:29So,
15:30is this
15:31specifically
15:32about
15:33Khan and
15:34his
15:35wife?
15:36Okay.
15:37So,
15:38is this
15:39specifically
15:40about
15:41Khan and
15:42his
15:43wife?
15:44Okay.
15:45So,
15:46is this
15:47specifically
15:48about
15:49Khan and
15:50his
15:51wife?
15:52Okay.
16:22So,
16:23is this
16:24specifically
16:25about
16:26Khan and
16:27his
16:28wife?
16:29Okay.
16:52So,
16:53is this
16:54specifically
16:55about
16:56Khan and
16:57his
16:58wife?
16:59Okay.
17:00So,
17:01is this
17:02specifically
17:03about
17:04Khan and
17:05his
17:06wife?
17:07Okay.
17:08So,
17:09is this
17:10specifically
17:11about
17:12Khan and
17:13his
17:14wife?
17:15Okay.
17:16So,
17:17is this
17:18specifically
17:19about
17:20Khan and
17:21his
17:22wife?
17:23Okay.
17:24So,
17:25is this
17:26specifically
17:27about
17:28Khan and
17:29his
17:30wife?
17:31Okay.
17:32So,
17:33is this
17:34specifically
17:35about
17:36Khan and
17:37his
17:38wife?
17:39Okay.
17:40So,
17:41is this
17:42specifically
17:43about
17:44Khan and
17:45his
17:46wife?
17:47Okay.
17:48So,
17:49is this
17:50specifically
17:51about
17:52Khan and
17:53his
17:54wife?
17:55Okay.
17:56So,
17:57is this
17:58specifically
17:59about
18:00Khan and
18:01his
18:02wife?
18:03Okay.
18:04So,
18:05is this
18:06specifically
18:07about
18:08Khan and
18:09his
18:10wife?
18:11Okay.
18:12So,
18:13is this
18:14specifically
18:15about
18:16Khan and
18:17his
18:18wife?
18:19Okay.
18:49Okay.
18:50So,
19:18is this
19:19specifically
19:20about
19:21Khan and
19:22his
19:23wife?
19:24Okay.
19:25So,
19:26is this
19:27specifically
19:28about
19:29Khan and
19:30his
19:31wife?
19:32Okay.
19:33So,
19:34is this
19:35specifically
19:36about
19:37Khan and
19:38his
19:39wife?
19:40Okay.
19:41So,
19:42is this
19:43specifically
19:44about
19:45Khan and
19:46his
19:47wife?
19:48Okay.
19:49So,
19:50is this
19:51specifically
19:52about
19:53Khan and
19:54his
19:55wife?
19:56Okay.
19:57So,
19:58is this
19:59specifically
20:00about
20:01Khan and
20:02his
20:03wife?
20:04Okay.
20:05So,
20:06is this
20:07specifically
20:08about
20:09Khan and
20:10his
20:11wife?
20:12Okay.
20:13So,
20:14is this
20:15specifically
20:16about
20:17Khan and
20:18his
20:19wife?
20:20Okay.
20:21So,
20:22is this
20:23specifically
20:24about
20:25Khan and
20:26his
20:27wife?
20:28Okay.
20:29So,
20:30is this
20:31specifically
20:32about
20:33Khan and
20:34his
20:35wife?
20:36Okay.
20:37So,
20:38is this
20:39specifically
20:40about
20:41Khan and
20:42his
20:43wife?
20:44Okay.
20:45So,
20:46is this
20:47specifically
20:48about
20:49Khan and
20:50his
20:51wife?
20:52Okay.
20:53So,
20:54is this
20:55specifically
20:56about
20:57Khan and
20:58his
20:59wife?
21:00Okay.
21:01So,
21:02is this
21:03specifically
21:04about
21:05Khan and
21:06his
21:07wife?
21:08Okay.
21:09So,
21:10is this
21:11specifically
21:12about
21:13Khan and
21:14his
21:15wife?
21:16Okay.
21:44Okay.
22:14Okay.
22:45Okay.
22:46So,
22:47is this
22:48specifically
22:49about
22:50Khan and
22:51his
22:52wife?
22:53Okay.
22:54So,
22:55is this
22:56specifically
22:57about
22:58Khan and
22:59his
23:00wife?
23:01Okay.
23:02So,
23:03is this
23:04specifically
23:05about
23:06Khan and
23:07his
23:08wife?
23:09Okay.
23:10So,
23:11is this
23:12specifically
23:13about
23:14Khan
23:15and
23:16his
23:17wife?
23:18Okay.
23:19So,
23:20is this
23:21specifically
23:22about
23:23Khan and
23:24his
23:25wife?
23:26Okay.
23:27So,
23:28is this
23:29specifically
23:30about
23:31Khan and
23:32his
23:33wife?
23:34Okay.
23:35So,
23:36is this
23:37specifically
23:38about
23:39Khan and
23:40his
23:41wife?
23:42Okay.
23:43So,
23:44is this
23:45specifically
23:46about
23:47Khan and
23:48his
23:49wife?
23:50Okay.
23:51So,
23:52is this
23:53specifically
23:54about
23:55Khan and
23:56his
23:57wife?
23:58Okay.
23:59So,
24:00is this
24:01specifically
24:02about
24:03Khan and
24:04his
24:05wife?
24:06Okay.
24:07So,
24:08is this
24:09specifically
24:10about
24:11Khan
24:12and
24:13his
24:14wife?
24:15Okay.
24:16So,
24:17is this
24:18specifically
24:19about
24:20Khan and
24:21his
24:22wife?
24:23Okay.
24:24So,
24:25is this
24:26specifically
24:27about
24:28Khan and
24:29his
24:30wife?
24:31Okay.
24:32So,
24:33is this
24:34specifically
24:35about
24:36Khan and
24:37his
24:38wife?
24:39Okay.
24:40and Shireen Mazari Sahiba said that we should be hanged for this.
24:43At that time also we had a dream from Allah that we had told the story of four years ago.
24:49We were right then, we are right after that, we are right today and we will be right in the future as well.
24:52But I want to tell him that if he wanted to play the game of democracy, then he should suffer for democracy.
24:58There are kings in democracy.
24:59Democracy is where the kings are.
25:02You said that democracy is our Shyam.
25:05Okay, I agree that it is Shyam.
25:06I agree that all politicians say that it is Shyam.
25:08Then tell me, where will Muzaqrat stand?
25:10Will Muzaqrat move forward or not?
25:12What will be achieved in Muzaqrat?
25:14In Muzaqrat, Anika Sahiba, in Muzaqrat, both the parties want to stay in jail.
25:20PTI wants Manohar Khan to stay in jail.
25:22The government wants it.
25:23The talks that are happening are non-starter.
25:24Now everyone has a trump card.
25:27From the 20th of January, the wind will blow.
25:29PTI will be disappointed.
25:31Similarly, I told you on 15th December 2024 that I am going out of the country.
25:36When I come back, many things will stop.
25:38It didn't happen like that.
25:39The so-called pressure didn't end.
25:41So look, understand things, and move forward.
25:45Do not do this in hot spices.
25:47Look at it very carefully.
25:48You said that you are going out of the country.
25:49You said that you are going out of the country.
25:50You said that you are going out of the country.
25:51You said that you are going out of the country.
25:52Tell me, where did you go before?
25:54You went to America.
25:55You spoke in America.
25:56You went somewhere else.
25:57You spoke somewhere else.
25:58You did not clarify in the press conference at that time where you went.
26:02Forget about me going, look at the results.
26:05That prediction was also wrong.
26:06You said that when you come back, everything will be fine.
26:08So your going out of the country has stopped the relationship.
26:09I want to tell you that today in PTI,
26:13who is the person who has told that everything happened with his leader and he is ruined.
26:20Some report is coming.
26:22Everyone is praying inside that he has gone to jail.
26:25He will not have to give his wife's share.
26:28She also went to jail.
26:29Rightly so.
26:30But now everyone will play one side and the other side.
26:33They will play democracy.
26:34They will take pictures of the press conference and Charter of Demands.
26:39Everyone is compromised.
26:40Everyone is a drama king.
26:41Everyone has left 5 parties.
26:43Your TV screens are telling.
26:45Some people who used to ask Imran Khan about 190 million,
26:48you are justifying it.
26:50Have you seen all this drama?
26:51You have been watching this dirty game for 75 years.
26:55Are you showing something new to the Pakistani people?
26:57Or is there a new storm coming to Pakistan?
26:59It is happening that for the first time,
27:02a strong person is being accepted in an institution.
27:04And the logical outcome is being achieved.
27:05So in his hope, we understand that things will get better.
27:08And they are getting better.
27:09Okay, you broke that news in my show.
27:11That news about Faiz Ameed.
27:13You broke it in my show.
27:14Now I have to go to the closing of this segment.
27:17Tell me, what is going to happen in that case now?
27:20What next?
27:22In that case also, according to you,
27:25I will tell you earlier.
27:27He will be court-martialed and he will be punished.
27:29There are two opinions in this.
27:30He has ruined the democracy.
27:33He has ruined his own country.
27:35He has ruined Pakistan.
27:36He has joined hands with the leader.
27:38He has made the leader the king.
27:40And when will this happen?
27:41So won't he be punished?
27:45When will this happen?
27:47You took 45 years to find out if Bhutto's death was right or wrong.
27:52So it has not even been 4.5 years since this case was filed.
27:56It will happen. It will happen before time.
27:58It won't take 45 years. Don't worry.
28:02When will it happen?
28:03Please repeat.
28:06It won't take 45 years.
28:09It won't take 45 years.
28:10You told me the date last time.
28:12And that was the date.
28:15You have the date now.
28:17I know this.
28:18You have an idea of the time frame.
28:20You don't have to wait too long.
28:23You will see a speedy trial in Pakistan.
28:26And we need to learn from it.
28:28And it will be a speedy trial.
28:30And it should be a speedy trial at the same pace.
28:33And as far as your PTI spokesperson is concerned,
28:35let me tell you one more thing.
28:37If this was a written order from 2 months
28:39and it took 2 months to arrive,
28:41then how are you talking about 2-3 cases?
28:44There have been people here for 20 years whose cases have not been filed.
28:47Where are you?
28:48In Pakistan.
28:50Aren't you in a new country?
28:52Where you are making such big claims.
28:54There have been people here for 20 years whose cases have not been filed.
28:57But Senator Faisal Wada, thank you very much for joining me in the program.
29:00I have to go to the break.
29:01After the break, Shahid Khakhan Abbasi will be present.
29:03Today, Shahid Khakhan Abbasi has decided to join hands with Tehrik-e-Tahfiz-e-Ain-e-Pakistan.
29:09We will ask him why, when, how and when will this decision be made.
29:14After the break.
29:15After the break.
29:18Welcome back, after the break.
29:19Shahid Khakhan Abbasi, former Prime Minister of Pakistan is present with us.
29:22Of course, he is also the convener of Awam Pakistan Party.
29:25Shahid Sahib, thank you very much for joining me in the program.
29:28Today, Tehrik-e-Tahfiz-e-Ain-e-Pakistan came to you.
29:33We talked about the constitution.
29:35You have joined them.
29:41You agree with their point.
29:45Is this formally your alliance?
29:48What do we think of this?
29:49I met Tehrik-e-Tahfiz-e-Ain-e-Pakistan two months ago.
29:53He said that we want to work for the implementation of the constitution.
29:59Because we think that this is the way to improve the country and take it forward.
30:05I agreed with him at that time.
30:08I said that our party has not been enlisted yet.
30:10We will talk after the enlistment.
30:13Today, some PTI leaders came with him.
30:17Some leaders of Sunnit Jamaat.
30:23They invited you to join them.
30:27We talked about your thoughts and what you want to do.
30:32I fully agree with what they have said.
30:37I said that we will talk to the Jamaat and inform you.
30:41But no one can deny that there is only one way to take the country forward.
30:53And that is the implementation of the constitution.
30:55Our country will not move forward without the rule of law.
30:58What things were decided?
31:00You said that the implementation of the constitution.
31:03Was this the single point agenda or was there something else?
31:06This is not a single point agenda.
31:07This is not an electoral alliance.
31:09This is not a general political alliance.
31:11This is just a coincidence.
31:13That there is only one way to take the country forward.
31:17And that is the implementation of the constitution.
31:19And that is the rule of law in the country.
31:23I agree that the way to take the country forward is the implementation of the constitution.
31:28But how will you implement the constitution?
31:31Will you take the court, the streets, the people?
31:35How will you talk to the government?
31:37First of all, we have to think.
31:39We believe in the constitution.
31:40We want to run the country according to the constitution.
31:42Then whatever work is against the constitution, you will have to oppose it.
31:46This is the way.
31:47This is the way in the whole world.
31:49You raise your voice.
31:51That the work you are doing is contrary to the constitution.
31:54If elections are stolen, it is contrary to the constitution.
31:56If someone breaks the constitution, it is contrary to the constitution.
31:59This is a difficult way.
32:01It is not an easy way.
32:02But apart from this, I don't see any other way to take Pakistan forward.
32:06This is the only way.
32:08This is the rule of law that can give you progress in the country.
32:11Ultimately, this means that there will be a protest.
32:13At one point in time.
32:14Some point in time in the future, there will be a protest.
32:16That means.
32:17Protests are not just about throwing stones.
32:19There are many ways to protest.
32:21And the real protest is in the parliament.
32:23So the parties in the parliament will protest in the parliament.
32:27Will talk for the constitution.
32:29Will talk about the implementation of the constitution.
32:31Will talk about the implementation of the constitution.
32:33All institutions will talk about staying within the constitution.
32:36This is the way of democracy.
32:42So now let's throw stones and protest.
32:45The People's Pakistan Party also protested on the issue of electricity in Karachi.
32:50So they left a road.
32:52To pass by buses and vehicles.
32:55So your way of protesting is different.
32:58With whom you are becoming an ally.
33:00Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf has a different way.
33:03SIC.
33:04Mr. Achak Zahid.
33:06MWM.
33:07All these ways of protest are different.
33:09So how will it be decided at one point.
33:12That this way we have to implement the constitution.
33:15Look, the allies are part of an alliance.
33:18The alliance will decide what to do.
33:21How to do.
33:22These things are decided there.
33:24How to protest.
33:26But the intense protest is not for the implementation of the constitution.
33:31If you want to protest there, you have to stay within the constitution.
33:35The constitution allows you to protest.
33:38If you break the constitution yourself, then the protest is not done.
33:44So you say that the way of protest of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf is wrong.
33:48No, they have their own protest.
33:50What they are doing, they have done.
33:52The government has passed laws, which are also wrong.
33:54They are contradicting the constitution.
33:56The Tehreek-e-Insaf, the way the government has come here and attacked.
34:08This is also not right.
34:10I have always said that everything should be within the constitution.
34:13But then everyone will have to go within the constitution.
34:16It is not possible that one community is within the constitution,
34:20and the other communities are outside.
34:22Yes.
34:23Right.
34:24Now tell me, the law passed by the government is also a contradiction to the constitution.
34:29The way of protest of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf is also wrong for the implementation of the constitution.
34:34Then explain to me, in these two teams,
34:37negotiations are going on at this time to bring political stability.
34:40Today, a decision has been made against Imran Khan.
34:43Al-Qadir Trust has been handed over to the government.
34:47And in the case of 190 million, there has been a punishment.
34:5014 years to Imran Khan and 7 years to Bushra Bibi.
34:54After this, where will the negotiations stand in your view?
34:58Negotiations are being done by the PTI and the government.
35:01There is no agenda in front of the people.
35:04The PTI had said a few things that the people should end the cases,
35:09there should be a commission.
35:11If this is their agenda, then they can decide among themselves what to do.
35:15The case has been sentenced.
35:20Time will tell you what will happen in the future.
35:27In the opinion of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf,
35:30this case will be dismissed in two cases in the higher courts.
35:34You must have heard Mr. Wada a while ago.
35:37He was with me in the first segment.
35:39He was saying that this will not happen even after 2, 3, 6, 7, 8 years.
35:43So, Mr. Wada, on which track are you seeing this?
35:48The PTI or Mr. Wada?
35:51In our country, we have made cases on every Prime Minister.
35:56One has been hanged.
35:59I was a convict in that case.
36:06I was sentenced to life imprisonment.
36:09After that, he was sentenced to two cases.
36:13All this has happened in the country.
36:16The problem is that when you make a case,
36:22the way it is prosecuted,
36:25that is where the whole matter gets messed up.
36:28If you follow the due process,
36:31then if you punish, then the case is made.
36:35Whenever we break the system,
36:39when there is no prosecution according to the system,
36:42especially in the case of Naib,
36:44if you look at the records of Naib's cases,
36:48from 1999 to today,
36:52it has been more than 25 years since Naib was made.
36:56And Naib could not convict a single political figure.
37:00I have not seen the judgment yet,
37:02but I can tell you without reading it what the shortcomings will be.
37:07In Naib's judgment, there are many shortcomings.
37:10There are many shortcomings in the prosecution.
37:12The law is a black law.
37:15It is contrary to the basic principles of justice.
37:18And this is Mr. Imran Khan's fault
37:21that when the time came and he tried very hard,
37:24I was involved in it myself,
37:26but he did not end this law or let it be amended.
37:31Now the same law has been used against him.
37:35This is unfortunate for him and for the country's political system.
37:39As long as this black law remains,
37:41it will continue to be used for such cases.
37:43There is so much room in it
37:45that you can convict anyone in any case.
37:48But so far, any case of Naib against any political figure
37:52has not been completely successful.
38:00It has always been terminated,
38:02sometimes in the prosecution and sometimes in the appeal.
38:05So time will tell what will happen to this case.
38:08Mr. Abbas, if your case is extrapolated,
38:11then it will be a 14-year sentence and a 7-year sentence.
38:15Will it be a 14-year sentence and a 7-year sentence?
38:18What do you mean by 7 years?
38:2214 years for Mr. Khan and 7 years for Ms. Bushra.
38:25You are saying that these things never stand.
38:28Do you think this sentence will stand?
38:30This is the record of the past.
38:32These things do not stand.
38:34I myself was a convict in that case
38:37in which Mr. Nawaz Sharif was sentenced to 25 years in 2000.
38:45And he did not spend even 6 months in jail.
38:49The reality of the cases in our country is different.
38:55So look at them in the same way.
39:00Look, history does not accept these judgments.
39:05Neither do the people nor the law.
39:08So whenever you have to prosecute a political figure,
39:12especially the Prime Minister,
39:14then stay within the scope of the law.
39:17The fundamental requirement of justice
39:19is that there should be justice and there should be a visible evidence.
39:23We often don't see a visible evidence.
39:25Especially if you do this trial in jail,
39:28then it becomes very difficult to judge
39:31whether the case was properly prosecuted
39:34and whether the demands of justice were fulfilled or not.
39:37And whenever judgments are appealed,
39:39these things are looked at.
39:43Khawaja Asif is saying that the PTI is demanding
39:47that Imran Khan be removed from the executive order.
39:50Sheikh Waqas is saying that there is no such demand.
39:52But before that, the PTI leaders kept saying
39:54that Imran Khan should be brought out through the executive order.
39:59This should be one of the demands that are being negotiated.
40:02Is it possible that someone through the executive order,
40:06especially Imran Khan and his wife,
40:09can be given any relief through the executive order?
40:14Look, you can give relief through the executive order
40:19when the case is under trial.
40:22Until there was no judgment,
40:24NAB could have closed the case.
40:27NAB has the authority to do this.
40:30But once there is a conviction,
40:32then it is done through the appeal process
40:35or through pardon.
40:36There are two ways.
40:38But I would like to make a request again
40:40that whenever there is a judgment of these cases,
40:43I have not read it,
40:45but it will have to be read
40:46on what the conviction has been made on.
40:48If it has been made to break the law of the country,
40:50and I always thought that the process
40:52through which the conviction has been approved,
40:55that process was not right.
40:58So if you examine that,
41:00I don't know what the punishment will be,
41:03but the judgment will have to be seen
41:05as to what is in it or not.
41:07But I am saying that generally,
41:09the NAB cases are so weak,
41:12legally,
41:14that their judgment does not stand
41:16whenever they go through the appeal process.
41:19Okay.
41:20By the way,
41:21NAB Ordinance 1999,
41:234, 6, 5,
41:26one is about abetment in crime,
41:29then misuse of authority,
41:31a lot of things have been added to it.
41:33So the judgment that has been heard today,
41:35you will have to see where does it stand.
41:38But now,
41:3920th January is coming,
41:40and in 20th January,
41:41Trump is taking oath.
41:43And there were expectations from the oath.
41:46It's a fact that there are a lot of PTI leaders,
41:49there were expectations that
41:51if Trump comes,
41:52they will save Imran Khan.
41:54Is it possible?
41:55You were a former Prime Minister,
41:57can this be a possibility?
41:59Look, in our country,
42:00a lot of things have happened in the past,
42:02so nothing is out of the question.
42:06But I don't think that one country
42:08will interfere in the judicial affairs of another country.
42:13When Mr. Mian left the country in 2000,
42:19at that time,
42:20there was an impression that
42:22this decision was made on behalf of Saudi Arabia
42:24or some other Arab country.
42:26But at that time,
42:28maybe the situation,
42:30no one has full knowledge of the facts,
42:33but a lot of things have happened in our country.
42:36So I don't think that
42:38an American president will come first
42:40and put pressure on Pakistan
42:42to release Mr. Imran Khan.
42:44This expectation
42:46and this expectation
42:48that other countries
42:50in our system,
42:52whatever this broken system is,
42:54whatever it is,
42:55if they start interfering in it,
42:57then there will be no end to it.
42:59Interference will continue.
43:01But it has happened in the past.
43:03You remember,
43:05I forgot the name,
43:07but there was a CIA agent
43:09who was caught here.
43:11Are you talking about Raymond Davis?
43:13Yes, Raymond Davis.
43:15So that was also a similar case.
43:17But he was a citizen of that country.
43:19So anyway,
43:20I think that
43:21no political party
43:23can give relief to Mr. Imran Khan.
43:25Mr. Imran Khan...
43:27Okay,
43:28Mr. Abbas,
43:29from the entire government,
43:31and many main ministers,
43:32federal ministers,
43:33who are very old leaders of PMLN,
43:36who were with you at one point in time,
43:39they say that
43:41there is an external pressure.
43:43And that is because
43:45they are waiting for Mr. Imran Khan
43:47or his Jamaat
43:48to somehow follow their agenda.
43:50How do you see this?
43:52Look,
43:53the government of Pakistan
43:54cannot follow anyone's agenda.
43:56This is our thoughtlessness.
43:58We keep accusing each other
44:00that it is following this or that agenda.
44:03I don't think that
44:05any Pakistani political leader
44:07follows someone else's agenda.
44:09These systems have been in place in the past.
44:11Maybe they will continue to be in place.
44:13But we need to fix our own house.
44:15Then,
44:16if our justice system is right,
44:18then no one can put pressure on you.
44:20If your justice system is not right,
44:22if justice is not being given,
44:24then the issues of human rights,
44:26and especially when you
44:28your senior political leaders,
44:30especially Mr. Abbas,
44:31who is known all over the world,
44:33if you look at the past,
44:34you can look at it from Shukar Ali Bhutto's perspective.
44:36I think after him,
44:38Mr. Junejo lived peacefully.
44:40After him,
44:41Mian Rajshri,
44:43Birzir Bhutto,
44:44Asif Ali Zardari,
44:46Yusuf Zaghilani.
44:47And there is a long list.
44:49Yes, there is a long list.
44:50Mr. Raja,
44:51who was there.
44:53We have taken action
44:55against all the people.
44:56And in the end,
44:57nothing has been done against them.
44:59So,
45:00we have defamed ourselves.
45:02Thank you very much
45:03for joining me in the program.
45:04You have told us about a long list.
45:06We will talk about this long list
45:07some other day.
45:08But thank you very much
45:09for joining me in the program.
45:10With this, let's wrap up.
45:11We have come to a big decision today.
45:12We will continue the discussion
45:13on this big decision tomorrow.
45:15And we will try to find out
45:16what's next.
45:17Because what's next
45:18is the most important question right now.
45:19Anika Nisar,
45:20allow me to leave.
45:21Take care of yourself.
45:22Allah Hafiz.