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Imran Khan, Nawaz, Zardari should sit together for Pakistan, says Rana Sana - Maria Memon's Analysis
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- Barrister Sher Afzal Khan PTI
- Ather Kazmi (Analyst)
- Muneeb Farooq (Analyst)
Imran Khan, Nawaz, Zardari should sit together for Pakistan, says Rana Sana - Maria Memon's Analysis
"Khawaja Asif Ka Hafiza Kamzor Hogaya Hai...", Sher Afal Marwat responed Khawaja Asif's statement
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Maria Meeman and today's top stories is about the future of negotiations.
00:18What can both parties give each other as concessions?
00:23What are the possibilities?
00:25Will the deadline of 31st January be fulfilled?
00:29What is the suggestion of the negotiators?
00:33Is there house arrest on the cards?
00:35Is there a demand for a mid-term election?
00:40There are many such questions in the air.
00:42How much reality is there?
00:43How much story is there?
00:44We will talk about this too.
00:45In the end, the human crisis in Kurram could not be stopped.
00:48And there are reports of the deaths of about 100 children.
00:51As usual, the government is downplaying it.
00:54What is the reality?
00:55Why is this issue not being solved?
00:57Why is it not reaching any consensus?
00:59We will talk about this in the last part of the program.
01:01Let's start with the future of negotiations.
01:03We are hearing the words of different parties.
01:05There is a government position.
01:07There is a position of the opposition.
01:08Today, a very interesting thing was said.
01:10Khawaja Saad Rafiq was on a reference to his father.
01:14But he said that he took the name of seven personalities.
01:17If we want to move this country forward,
01:19a committee will be formed on those seven personalities.
01:22Then we will be able to get out of this dilemma.
01:24What are those seven personalities?
01:27There are some great personalities who are not part of the government.
01:30And who are not allies of the PTI.
01:32But they matter in the politics of Pakistan.
01:34For example, Maulana Fazlur Rahman.
01:36Hafiz Naeem.
01:37Shahid Khan Abbasi.
01:39Dr. Malik Bloch.
01:40Aftab Khan Sherpao.
01:42Pir Sahib Pagara Sharif.
01:43Chaudhary Nisar Ali Khan.
01:45And many more.
01:46I would like to request them to join their heads.
01:48Let some intellectuals come together.
01:50And let's see what is the way to get out of this dilemma.
01:55Rana Sanaullah Sahab came to this event.
01:58He not only supported this proposal,
02:00but also added three more names to it.
02:03What are those three names?
02:05In these names, the name of Mian Nawaz Sharif should be there.
02:09In these names, the name of Imran Khan should also be there.
02:13And in these names, the name of Asif Ali Zardari should also be there.
02:17These people should sit down.
02:19The people who have surrounded this country for 70 years,
02:22they can be finished in 70 days.
02:25It is a good thing that in the PMLN,
02:27a negotiation group is emerging.
02:29But in this PMLN, there is also a group
02:31who does not understand negotiations.
02:33Mr. Khawaja Asif said at this event today
02:35that how did the negotiations start suddenly?
02:37Who is behind them?
02:38Who is making them sit?
02:39He was asking questions from his party.
02:42I will definitely ask this question.
02:44I will ask this question again and again.
02:46Why now?
02:47What has happened in the last 15-20 days
02:49that the negotiations have started suddenly?
02:51And the committee itself has made a committee
02:53to talk to the farmers.
02:55Someone should tell me the secret.
02:57The Speaker should tell me.
02:59Saad Rafiq should tell me.
03:00What is the secret behind this?
03:02What can both the parties give each other
03:04in the negotiations that are taking place right now?
03:07What justice can be given?
03:08Yesterday, Mr. Rana Sanaullah said
03:10that there is a five-year period of peace
03:12and there is room for government.
03:14What justice can be given in this way?
03:16Listen.
03:17In simplicity, they think that
03:19you should come here to Adyala
03:21and make us sit wherever you are.
03:23Similarly, we also think that
03:25if you do not want to live in Adyala,
03:27then you should come to your homes,
03:29to your cities.
03:30But they have given us a five-year period
03:32of peace and they have given us a right
03:34to live in Adyala.
03:36They have given us a five-year period
03:38of peace and they have given us a right
03:40to live in Adyala.
03:41And is there room for the government
03:43to listen to justice?
03:44Yesterday, Mr. Salman Akram Raja said
03:46in an interview that if the negotiations
03:48are done with good intentions,
03:50then this kind of room can also be created.
03:52Salman Akram Raja, listen to his words.
03:54You will also have to accept the government.
03:56You will accept the 8th February mandate
03:58as it is.
03:59This demand is going to come from there.
04:01When it happens, it comes out of the talks.
04:03Let's see where it goes.
04:05And we have a principled stance.
04:07We will not move away from our principled stance,
04:10but we will see how we can create
04:12some room for it.
04:14Before the program, I am with
04:16Mr. Sher Afzal Marwad.
04:17Thank you very much, Mr. Marwad,
04:18for joining us.
04:19You have heard all the talks.
04:20First of all, did you understand
04:22Mr. Khawaja Asif's question?
04:23Because he himself does not know
04:25why this negotiation committee was formed,
04:27who is negotiating,
04:28why is it being negotiated?
04:29Why are you sitting?
04:30Has someone made you sit?
04:31Is there any pressure from behind?
04:33Mr. Khawaja's memory has become weak.
04:35Maybe it is due to his age.
04:37But a few days ago,
04:39I presented these negotiations
04:41on the floor of the house.
04:43And the first speaker was Mr. Khawaja.
04:45He called this negotiation
04:47a fresh start.
04:49The second thing is that
04:51Mr. Khawaja should ask this question
04:53to Mr. Mian Nawaz Sharif,
04:55who is the head of this committee.
04:57He should ask this question
04:59to Mr. Mian Nawaz Sharif,
05:01who is the head of this committee
05:03who is negotiating.
05:05I think that
05:07I told Mr. Khawaja
05:09in my speech
05:11that
05:13Mr. Khawaja's language
05:15is very
05:17eloquent,
05:19especially
05:21in our context.
05:23At least, he is very
05:25polite,
05:27and
05:29he is a
05:31good politician.
05:33He should be given a chance
05:35to give a speech.
05:37But he said that
05:39his language is very eloquent.
05:41He said that
05:43his language is very eloquent.
05:45Mr. Khawaja should not say
05:47that he is in power.
05:49We are sitting in opposition.
05:51Opposition members
05:53complain,
05:55and show tolerance.
05:57Opposition members
05:59complain,
06:01and show tolerance.
06:03You should listen to Mr. Tarar.
06:05He has never
06:07said anything good.
06:09He has never said anything good.
06:11He has never said anything good.
06:13He has never said anything good.
06:15I think that
06:17any politician
06:19can afford
06:21to lie.
06:23For example,
06:25a man lost his life
06:27in a bomb blast in Pakistan.
06:29The way the Minister of Information
06:31presented a narrative,
06:33we should
06:35at least apologize for
06:37the current situation.
06:39Pakistanis have a right
06:41to know the facts.
06:43If the Minister of Information
06:45comes and covers up
06:47such a big incident,
06:49I don't want
06:51to talk about this
06:53in detail.
06:55I just want to request
06:57all the parties
06:59to think about
07:01Pakistan.
07:03We are not
07:05forced to speak.
07:07We are not weak.
07:09We are suffering.
07:11You know that
07:13we are suffering.
07:15For example,
07:17Khan spent more than 500 days in jail.
07:19We are ready to suffer more.
07:21But the politics
07:23that is happening,
07:25the institutions,
07:27the picture you portrayed
07:29of the judiciary,
07:31the uncertainty in Pakistan,
07:33the economy,
07:35all these things
07:37need to be
07:39controlled.
07:43But the situation is better
07:45than before.
07:47We were not used to
07:49the temperature.
07:51Salman Akharon Raja
07:53has said a very good thing.
07:55A lot of things can happen
07:57if we
07:59give each other some space
08:01and
08:03take some steps
08:05to improve
08:07the country's future.
08:09We should
08:11sit for the betterment of the country.
08:13But individually,
08:15let's come to your political statements.
08:17If they ask you to
08:19accept the results of this election
08:21and let the government
08:23run its course,
08:25your 2024 statement will fall
08:27from the sky.
08:31If they ask me
08:33to accept the results
08:35of this election
08:37and
08:39if they ask me
08:41to accept the results
08:43of this election,
08:45I will say
08:47that I have challenged the government.
08:49Don't follow their lead.
08:51Keep doing
08:53light opposition,
08:55like they did after 2018.
08:57Keep doing challenges,
08:59small rallies,
09:01speeches,
09:03but let the government run its course.
09:05Don't come on the streets
09:07and repeat Islamabad.
09:09Small rallies,
09:11what is wrong with big rallies?
09:13The law gives you the right
09:15to protest.
09:17If we stop
09:19raising our voice
09:21against oppression,
09:23we will be deniers of the Quran.
09:25The Quran instructs us
09:27to raise our voice
09:29against oppression.
09:31The history of nations
09:33has been made
09:35in such a way that
09:37nations have been
09:39oppressed
09:41and today
09:43we see
09:45their mistakes.
09:47If we want to be a nation,
09:49for example,
09:51in Syria
09:53and Bangladesh,
09:55if people
09:57can bring down
09:59the regime
10:01on their own,
10:03why shouldn't
10:05there be a movement in Pakistan?
10:07What has the 76-year-old regime
10:09achieved in 2014?
10:11Has it achieved
10:13the goals of
10:15establishing a working relationship
10:17with the current government?
10:19Can it achieve these goals?
10:21I think
10:23it can achieve these goals
10:25because if we
10:27want to pay
10:29a small price,
10:31the biggest thorn
10:33of this regime,
10:35of this government
10:37is the election
10:39of 8th February.
10:41If the election of 8th February
10:43is audited,
10:45then I think
10:47we can forget the judicial commission
10:49of 9th May and 26th November.
10:51Because if it is audited
10:53and the things that can be
10:55discussed,
10:57the whole world will be surprised
10:59that how from the bureaucracy
11:01to the returning officer
11:03to the election commission
11:05and Qazi Faiz Ishaq
11:07did the election.
11:09Yes,
11:11it is possible that
11:13they can say
11:15that the protest for this,
11:17we are basically protesting
11:19for the recovery of this election mandate,
11:21that you should
11:23focus more on the courts
11:25than the protest.
11:27I think this can be thought about.
11:29This will be acceptable for the justice movement.
11:31And the talks about the house arrest of Mr. Khan,
11:33is this suggestion on the cards?
11:35Is it right that the rest of the party
11:37convinced Mr. Khan
11:39that Mr. Khan himself
11:41rejected and vetoed this suggestion?
11:43This suggestion
11:45came on 22nd November also.
11:47In fact, let me tell you,
11:49Governor Rouse's clarification
11:51started in Natia Gali.
11:53And then in those talks,
11:55the talks that took place between 22nd November
11:57and 25th November,
11:59it was decided that
12:01Mr. Khan will be released on 22nd November.
12:03Therefore, if anyone
12:05wants to convince us that
12:07Mr. Khan is the house arrestor,
12:09even Mr. Khan won't agree
12:11because of his 500 days of worship,
12:13which cut the jail
12:15and imprisonment.
12:17And now,
12:19if he comes home
12:21or sits somewhere isolated,
12:23and gives the impression to the public
12:25that as a result of this deal,
12:27someone has been shifted to a better jail,
12:29what will be the basis for this?
12:31All the cases against Mr. Khan
12:33have come to light.
12:35There is one Al-Qadir Trust case.
12:37Everyone knows
12:39what the conditions are
12:41in the eyes of the law.
12:43If justice is done,
12:45there is no other
12:47hurdle in the release of Mr. Khan.
12:49Therefore,
12:51what else can be achieved
12:53by keeping Mr. Khan in jail?
12:55If he is kept in jail,
12:57then the mandate was stolen,
12:59the elections were stolen,
13:01the constitution was amended,
13:03and whatever the system
13:05wanted to do with the BDI,
13:07was done.
13:09Now, he has achieved this,
13:11he has taken over the government,
13:13but you should also
13:15assess the losses he has incurred.
13:17Where has the politics
13:19of Mr. Nawaz Sharif and Mr. Zardari
13:21gone?
13:23Have you seen in a year
13:25that the people of Pakistan
13:27have not been able to
13:29hold a Jalsa?
13:31They did it yesterday
13:33in Naudero.
13:35The People's Party
13:37does it every year.
13:39They have a voter base.
13:41If they want to mobilize it,
13:43they can do it in their areas.
13:45They have done it in Sindh.
13:47But you are right.
13:49They have lost politically.
13:51There is no doubt about it.
13:53Do you think that
13:55there will be a major development
13:57in the time frame of January 31st?
13:59Will there be a major development
14:01or will it be a slow development?
14:05Mr. Anas Nawaz Sharif
14:07has said a very good thing.
14:09The intentions of people,
14:11that is, the negotiations
14:13are based on intentions.
14:15If our intention is
14:17to get the people out of this
14:19difficult situation,
14:21then there is
14:23no problem.
14:25What do you think is the intention?
14:27I personally think
14:29that
14:31the negotiations
14:33will be successful.
14:35Will they be successful?
14:37Do you think that
14:39the negotiations before 26th
14:41were unsuccessful?
14:43How will they be successful this time?
14:45What is the difference?
14:47At that time,
14:49both sides
14:51protested.
14:53We should have
14:55stopped the negotiations
14:57before 26th.
14:59If we did not stop,
15:01then we should not have
15:03made Tadhi Chowk.
15:05Therefore,
15:07the people of Pakistan
15:09are paying the price.
15:11On the occasion of 26th November,
15:13the international community
15:15of Pakistan
15:17protested.
15:19Who is shooting at the people?
15:21You are also a Chowk.
15:23Are you supporting the Kaaba?
15:25What is the difference now?
15:27Do you think the negotiations
15:29will be successful?
15:31Are there any guarantors?
15:33Are there any mediators?
15:35Are there any negotiators?
15:37We both need guarantors.
15:39We need them.
15:41We need the system.
15:43We need the establishment.
15:45We need the PMLN
15:47and all their allies.
15:49They want to
15:51govern us.
15:53They want to
15:55govern us.
15:57They want to
15:59govern us.
16:01They want to
16:03govern us.
16:05They want to
16:07govern us.
16:09They want to
16:11govern us.
16:13People do not know
16:15and we never thought
16:17about the situation being
16:18shot at.
16:20We never thought
16:22that the mandate will be
16:24stolen this way on 9th February.
16:35Alkar and the police
16:37have been everywhere.
16:39So how is the intention right when on one hand you are providing the military courts with punishments and on the other hand you are making a judicial commission.
16:46This is a left handed game of the Prime Minister.
16:48The temperature will come down and he will make a judicial commission.
16:50Have you seen any practical steps other than one conversation?
16:54I can see that there will be stages.
16:58First of all, the political prisoners will be released.
17:03If they are released, then if there are negotiations on the second stage, then the participants will be required for the negotiations that Khawaja Saad Rafiq has spoken about.
17:14Because this will be the number one leadership of Pakistan who will sit with the establishment and decide whether the country should be run this way
17:25or we have to deal with the law, fundamental human rights, the dream of democracy, a bright future, a Pakistani who is running away from the country.
17:40So on the second stage, Khawaja Saad Rafiq and others can sit at the table and make a road for Pakistan.
17:47And the political capital that the government has wasted will give you the political space so that you can come and give them a tough time politically.
17:58If there is an understanding development, then we have to think for Pakistan also.
18:03If we get the understanding that we are all thinking for the good of Pakistan.
18:09If we had the power, we would have formed an alliance with the People's Party and formed a government.
18:17So what will be the status of the PTI? If you step back a little and allow the government to govern, then your entire status is that you have stolen a mandate.
18:26Which has happened, I agree with this. But if you take a step back, then won't you have a political loss in this?
18:32For example, what is the loss? Politically, at the present time, the PTI has reached the stage of acceptance and acceptance.
18:42The purpose of all statements in politics is to win the hearts of the people.
18:47Today, the people of Pakistan are with the PTI and the PTI with the PTI.
18:51And if you step back from that demand, then do you still feel the same acceptance and love?
18:55What happened to us at the present time is enough to give us political security in the next five years.
19:04So you think that they have set your politics for the next five years.
19:07Who will vote for the PMLN with this past and these steps? Do you understand?
19:16We will find out in the next election who will vote for them. Thank you very much.
19:20Mr. Marwad was with us. We will move on to the next segment after the break.
19:29Welcome back. The negotiation process is moving forward, but the PMLN has a different thinking.
19:34Today, Mr. Khawaja Asif said that how did the negotiations start?
19:37Someone tell us this secret.
19:39So the PMLN is not alone in terms of negotiations. There is a different thinking there as well.
19:43But more or less, will we be able to achieve anything from these negotiations?
19:47Is this a genuine attempt?
19:50And will we see any stagnation in the politics of the country?
19:53We will talk about this in the program.
19:55We have with us Mr. Atar Kazmi in the studio.
19:57We have with us Mr. Muneeb Farooq. Thank you both very much.
19:59Mr. Atar, with your permission, let's start with Mr. Muneeb.
20:01The one who is out of the studio is a little disadvantaged. Let's start with him.
20:06Mr. Muneeb, regarding the talks and negotiations,
20:10first of all, I would like to ask, is Muktadara on board with the PMLN?
20:15And they use the word advice and advice.
20:19Advice and advice keep happening.
20:21And how authoritative is this committee, the Government Negotiating Committee?
20:26Look, this government has been and continues to be a supporter of the Muktadara of Pakistan.
20:33So, what can I say about the advice and advice in this?
20:37But certainly, the Government Committee is completely on board with the establishment of Pakistan.
20:46That is, the establishment knows what is happening.
20:48And there is no pressure from the side of the establishment of Pakistan of any kind.
20:54In fact, regarding these negotiations,
20:57for example, the PM of Pakistan has said in many places that
21:02if these negotiations are carried out in a fair manner,
21:07then they will be purely on political grounds.
21:10There will be no other element involved in this.
21:13And the establishment itself, obviously, cannot be like that.
21:16And you keep one thing in mind,
21:18that if there was a lot of desperation in these negotiations,
21:23or if there was something urgent that needed to be addressed,
21:27then you would see Mohsin Naqvi Sahib in these negotiations.
21:31As you know, when Khyber Pakhtunkhwa is coming,
21:34Mohsin Naqvi Sahib is interacting.
21:36Why? Because it is a matter of law and order.
21:38You have to talk to Ghandapur Sahib.
21:40Okay, you come here, don't come here.
21:42Why are you coming? Okay, come here.
21:44Don't do this, don't do that.
21:45These types of things.
21:46Then when the stick and stick has to be used,
21:48Mohsin Naqvi Sahib comes and tells that okay, it was up to here.
21:50Whatever happens after that, you are responsible for it.
21:52So in this committee, Mohsin Naqvi Sahib is not there.
21:55So this indication is very clear to you
21:58that this committee will run at a particular speed.
22:01And some people like Rana Sadaullah Sahib are very hopeful
22:05that there will be a political dialogue.
22:07Because Rana Sadaullah Sahib himself has endured a lot of things.
22:11He feels that it doesn't matter
22:13if the people who are in the jails go to their homes.
22:16If there is a problem with the talks,
22:18if there is a little space for everyone,
22:20then there is no harm.
22:21But there are some people in the committee who say that nothing doing.
22:26They didn't talk to us directly.
22:28So they should also be treated like this.
22:31So it is a blend of both.
22:33But from the establishment side,
22:35where there is no objection,
22:36there is no pressure to do it.
22:38Otherwise, I don't know how the night will pass.
22:40There is nothing like that.
22:41Probably the thought is that let's do this too.
22:44More or less.
22:45More or less.
22:46But there is nothing at stake for the government.
22:49Because as I always say,
22:51some people in the government feel bad.
22:54I say that the hybrid regimes don't need narratives.
22:57They need power.
22:58As long as there is power,
23:00they will continue to run.
23:02When the power is on the side,
23:04then everyone falls.
23:05So the talks went on at their own speed.
23:07So the date of 31st January,
23:09the deadline,
23:10let's not say the deadline,
23:11but let's move towards reaching the matter.
23:14So this is the talk from the PTI on 31st January.
23:17There is a lot of time for 31st January.
23:20If you don't want to move forward,
23:22then spend a few months,
23:23a few weeks above that.
23:24The matter will not reach any conclusion.
23:26How promising is this phase of Muzakirat?
23:29Look, whatever you are doing,
23:31there is some capital expenditure going on.
23:34As Muneeb Sahib said,
23:35the hybrid regimes involve a lot of power.
23:39But you are consuming power too.
23:41You are burning it too.
23:43That is also a fuel.
23:45You can take it to a limit.
23:47And then it becomes useless.
23:49So I think there will be an effort
23:51from both sides to settle things.
23:53To move things forward.
23:55As far as Muzakirat is concerned,
23:57surprisingly,
23:58you told Khawaja Asif Sahib
24:00where it started from.
24:01Yes.
24:02Two days ago,
24:03a very important person was telling me
24:05that some people in the government
24:07are very upset about this.
24:08And they will play the role of a spoiler in this.
24:11And they also took some names.
24:13And I am surprised that
24:15this committee was not made by the opposition.
24:18It was made by the Prime Minister himself.
24:20The government is doing the Muzakirat itself.
24:22So the Minister of Defence of the country
24:24saying where it started from,
24:25we don't know,
24:26it shows that there are a lot of issues.
24:28What I know is that
24:29one Muzakirat is being done with the committee
24:31and another Muzakirat is being done elsewhere.
24:33And that day,
24:34the people who were sitting in the committee,
24:36I can tell you about a personality
24:38who was sitting inside.
24:39He said that
24:40one or two personalities of the government
24:42were looking very upset.
24:44It seems that they don't want to sit.
24:46But they are sitting.
24:47So one Muzakirat is being done with this committee.
24:50Engagement is also being done on the other side.
24:52Engagement of Ali Ameen is also being done.
24:54And things are going on from both sides.
24:56How will there be opportunities?
24:58Because at the moment,
24:59it is a matter of political survival for both.
25:01The politics of Pakistan has been put in such a way
25:03that if one Prime Minister will be housed,
25:05then the other will be in jail.
25:06It is in the absolutes.
25:07This will not happen.
25:08Now if the government gives some relief,
25:11then it means that
25:12Mr. Khan will gain a lot of political space.
25:14Why will he do this?
25:15Mr. Khan agrees with his statements
25:17that let the system run.
25:18If we move towards a mid-term election,
25:20two and a half years later,
25:21then his statements are completely groundless.
25:23So how can there be opportunities from both sides?
25:26Look, the opportunities are such
25:28that they will have to be taken out
25:30if this country wants to move forward politically.
25:32Let me tell you this thing that
25:34with regard to all these negotiations,
25:37as Atar Bhai is also talking about,
25:39the issue is that
25:40Mr. Tariq-e-Insaf does not want any negotiations.
25:44He wants a policy shift for the establishment of Pakistan.
25:47Now let me give you a small indication of this.
25:50The negotiations that he is talking about,
25:52as he said,
25:53are happening elsewhere.
25:55The negotiations that are happening elsewhere
25:57are basically not even negotiations.
25:59It is an assessment of behavior.
26:02It is basically that
26:03if you want to get some relief,
26:05then what is your behavior?
26:07The behavior is that
26:08there is a press briefing of DGISPR tomorrow.
26:11No doubt it was a very strict press briefing.
26:13After that,
26:14Mr. Tariq-e-Insaf's official Twitter account
26:16says,
26:17based on Mr. Imran Khan's old statement,
26:19that you should be ashamed
26:21of that tweet.
26:23Now, what is visible, frankly,
26:25is very strict.
26:27There is no room for that.
26:29Now, in that,
26:30you can think that
26:31in the middle of all that,
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36:23What is the magnitude of carelessness?
36:25Last week, Faisal Edhi was saying
36:27that at least 50
36:29children's deaths can be verified
36:31How much more time has passed?
36:3310 more days have passed
36:35and the number of children's deaths
36:37must be increasing
36:39What did Mr. Faisal say?
36:41There are only 29 children
36:43in the district headquarters hospital
36:45The figures of the other private hospitals
36:47are different. Now the private hospitals
36:49have closed the children's wards
36:51This is the same situation
36:53of the Sunni doctors
36:55They also have a lot of deaths
36:57which are not in the figures
36:59You have to double it
37:01You are saying more than 50
37:03You are saying more than 50
37:05More than 50
37:07More than 50
37:09We have with us Mr. Tipu Masood
37:11He is a senior journalist
37:13and co-founder of Khurasan Diaries
37:15Thank you very much
37:17for joining us
37:19Mr. Tipu Masood is a
37:21Grand Jirga
37:23He was saying that all the people
37:25should have their weapons
37:27with them
37:29and de-weaponize them
37:31People are not ready to accept this
37:33Why?
37:35Is it necessary for them?
37:37Is it a way of life?
37:39Do they not understand
37:41that their survival depends
37:43on their weapons?
37:45There have been many sessions
37:47where people are not ready
37:49to accept this
37:51Tomorrow a team will
37:53consult with them
37:55There are two major issues
37:57and the senior officials
37:59of the KP government
38:01are saying the same
38:03There is a de-weaponization issue
38:05and there is no solution
38:07without it
38:09There are bunkers
38:11and if you see the pictures
38:13of the bunkers
38:15These bunkers are not made
38:17of stone
38:19In the tribal areas
38:21when there were tribal wars
38:23they used to make them
38:25but these bunkers are
38:27made of cement and concrete
38:29and people can stay there
38:31for a week
38:33The issues are still
38:35in the Jirga
38:37There is no solution
38:39and the main hurdle
38:41is coming from there
38:43Secondly, because of this
38:45the local people
38:47like you said
38:49the roads are closed
38:51The whole area
38:53is cut off from Pakistan
38:55The Shias cannot go to the Sunni areas
38:57The Sunnis cannot go to the Shia areas
38:59I think the hostility
39:01and the intensity
39:03that there are only protests
39:05in other parts of the country
39:07It is possible that
39:09there is a wave of sectarian conflict
39:11Especially those areas
39:13which are sensitive
39:15Thirdly, the most important thing
39:17is that the Jihadi groups
39:19from both sides
39:21The encrypted channels
39:23like Telegram
39:25There is a lot of debate
39:27on this issue
39:29One side says that we should go
39:31and there should be involvement
39:33and the international organizations
39:35and militant groups
39:37The most important thing
39:39is to make it a top priority
39:41where they can be pressurized
39:43and pressure should be put
39:45by the local people
39:47Because the situation will be such
39:49that it will not spread
39:51all over the country
39:53But this is a matter of subordination
39:55but there is also a matter
39:57of loyalty
39:59Both the governments
40:01are using their capital
40:03whether it is social,
40:05power, convincing,
40:07or the provincial government
40:09But the security forces
40:11and their senior officials
40:13are also trying their best
40:15They are also participating
40:17in the Jirga sessions
40:19So they are trying
40:21But I think if this matter
40:23is not solved by tomorrow
40:25then the government
40:27will go to the forces
40:29This is a very dangerous thing
40:31Because the weapons there
40:33are not ordinary weapons
40:35It is sophisticated
40:37It has anti-aircraft guns
40:39It has short range missiles
40:41that can fire up to many kilometers
40:43It also has imported weapons
40:45that are available in other countries
40:47Another thing to do there
40:49is the Pak-Iran border
40:51Because it is touching
40:53Afghanistan from three sides
40:55The area is also a very troubled area
40:57There are three provinces of Afghanistan
40:59So we have to pay attention
41:01to border control
41:03We have to pay attention
41:05to the militants
41:07and the smugglers
41:09so that they don't
41:11de-weaponize the area
41:13and the smugglers
41:15come back after two months
41:17So we have to pay attention
41:19to the border control
41:21I don't think
41:23there will be peace in the area
41:25Ulma-e-Karam has a big responsibility
41:27I think the priority
41:29should be left to the children
41:31Ulma-e-Karam should leave
41:33their own sect
41:35and focus on the human rights
41:37They should pay attention
41:39to the human rights
41:41If one group is harmed
41:43then the other group
41:45should also be harmed
41:47So I think Ulma-e-Karam
41:49should come to the front
41:51and the KP government
41:53should initiate
41:55to make both Ulma-e-Karam
41:57and the local councilors
41:59Thank you very much
42:01You helped us understand
42:03the most complex situations
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