"Political stability is not possible without giving rightful due to PTI and its founder."
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00:00The system now realizes that the existence of BTI and Imran Khan cannot be denied.
00:07In Pakistan, social progress is not possible without political institutions.
00:12And political institutions are not possible without giving BTI and Imran Khan their legitimate rights.
00:18They are the biggest political figures in the country.
00:21BTI is the biggest political party in the country.
00:24And we are not standing apart from the statements of Pakistan.
00:29We do not politicize on the basis of religious hatred.
00:32We do not politicize on the basis of any linguistic discrimination.
00:36We are doing politics of the Middle East.
00:39And that is why we have support from Karachi to Peshawar, Lahore, Bhutan.
00:44Even in Balochistan.
00:48So, I think this is a very big step for this country at the moment.
00:50You said you have a desire.
00:51Do you have a desire or do you have news?
00:54You have reasons to believe that this is happening.
00:59Or when we are talking right now, this is only a matter of desire.
01:03I think we are moving forward in the world of possibilities.
01:09We are moving especially forward.
01:11Okay, so you are satisfied with the situation.
01:15On the one hand, you are saying this, which is absolutely right.
01:19But on the other hand, I do not know in which environment the negotiations are taking place.
01:24You will tell me that it was a pleasant environment.
01:26There was a lot of tension than before.
01:28But one thing we have seen is that after the negotiations,
01:31whatever the press conference is, a very clear and cautious attitude is adopted.
01:36Today, this was not the case at all.
01:38That is, the same Irfan Siddiqui, who used to say that we,
01:41the members of the Negotiating Committee, have disconnected ourselves from the outside world.
01:47Today, the same Irfan Siddiqui seems to be saying that there are some meaningless demands.
01:52There are some strange and strange things.
01:54The TOR is not understanding.
01:55Not every request can be fulfilled.
01:57You are in jail.
01:58That is, there are many such things.
01:59I ask you, in the environment in which the negotiations took place today,
02:02and then in the environment in which the press conference took place,
02:04you were a little surprised that why did such a serious press conference take place?
02:07Mr. Rana Sanawalla read each and every demand and rejected it.
02:10How can this be?
02:11He even said that it is not possible to become a commissioner in the eyes of the rest.
02:16Look, if he has said this, then he must have said it under some scheme.
02:22We had a good meeting.
02:24And after reading it, our Constitution, our Charter of Demands,
02:30it was read very carefully.
02:32And there was no objection that it was not possible.
02:35It was just said that we will negotiate with each other,
02:38take legal advice, and in a week, in a period of seven days, we will give an answer.
02:44So there was some kind of discussion.
02:46I think a little grandstanding is done after coming out.
02:50So I don't give much importance to this chaos when it happens outside.
02:54I think in the end, the matters will go to the side where all the parties will see
03:01that there is evidence, there is also a question of national peace and stability.
03:06This is a middleman's chaos.
03:08They did it, we answered it.
03:10I think we will move on now.
03:13Okay.
03:14Let's leave aside the harsh language they used.
03:17You are saying that it works.
03:19Something works for optics too.
03:21But when they have gone to this extent,
03:24then you do not see the possibility of this relatively less
03:29that it is possible that they will refuse to establish a commission.
03:31Or, or, there is a question in this too.
03:34Maybe there is a little news effect in this too.
03:36Or something like this comes up that okay, sir,
03:38if you want to make a commission, then do not limit it.
03:40Then a lot of things have happened in this country.
03:41A commission should be made on this, a commission should be made on that,
03:43a grand commission should be made in which this, this, this,
03:45the one of 2014, the one of 2018, and the one of 2021 should also come.
03:48And this should also come.
03:49Don't you see any threat to this?
03:55Look, nothing like this has happened so far.
03:57In the second session, we asked if you also have any demands.
04:01The commission was also discussed then.
04:03It was just said to bring it in writing.
04:06Now, if something like this is said, then we will see.
04:09If it seems that it is an attempt to avert 9th May and 26th November,
04:14if it is said that we will investigate from the year 1958 and make a commission,
04:18then it will be a joke.
04:20Then we will make our own decision.
04:22That decision is obvious.
04:24The approval of the government is not so important for us
04:28that if it does not happen, we will get lost somewhere.
04:32There are ways in front of us, political ways, legal ways.
04:38We will keep going.
04:40We think that it should still happen to create stability in the country.
04:44The truth should be revealed.
04:46The truth of the situation we are in right now should be revealed
04:49so that we can make some kind of progress.
04:52If it does not happen, then we will make progress as a political party.
04:57And sir, since you are, obviously,
04:59there is a big name in the world of law in Pakistan,
05:01so you tell me, what about the commission you are talking about?
05:04Whatever the findings of the commission are,
05:06even if it goes through the process of formation,
05:08everything happens,
05:09then its findings should also be binding on someone.
05:12Or you will say that our position has been proven true,
05:16that the commission also said that the arrest of 9th May was in these circumstances.
05:20The commission also said that there is no CCTV.
05:22Or the commission will also be eligible to punish someone,
05:24and will also be eligible to arrest someone.
05:28No, no, the commission only brings up facts.
05:32The commission is not a court.
05:33It cannot declare anyone guilty.
05:35But it can bring up its evidence.
05:38Based on that evidence,
05:40legal action can be taken.
05:42But look, a commission is made,
05:44white papers are issued,
05:46so that the truth is revealed.
05:48The truth itself is an important incident.
05:52What to do after that, what action to take,
05:55that is a matter for later.
05:57But it cannot be denied that
05:59it is important for the people to know the truth.
06:03So these white papers are issued,
06:05enquiry reports are issued,
06:07so that the people are informed of what is happening.
06:10And Mr. Rana, what would you say to this,
06:12that while discussing some of your demands,
06:14he said that it is a very simple matter,
06:16if you want a verdict on this,
06:19you can go and petition on this tomorrow morning.
06:23No, it is not like that.
06:24He says, why is there a demand for the commission to be established?
06:27Go and petition tomorrow morning, you will get a decision.
06:29Whatever facts anyone wants from the commission,
06:33it is obvious that those things can be brought to the court
06:35through testimony.
06:37We have said that the judicial system
06:39has tried to break down after the 26th constitutional amendment.
06:43It has been said that only a government-run bench
06:46will listen to all matters of constitutional nature.
06:49That is in its place.
06:51Here the thing is that a negotiation team has been formed,
06:54the government has also formed it, we have also formed it.
06:57If there is to be any benefit to the country, the nation,
07:00if there is to be stability, then we should try to achieve it.