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00:00Why are all these restrictions being given?
00:02There is something which is hidden.
00:04I think Mr. Faisal has said a very important thing.
00:08And with an open heart, whether you like it or not.
00:12You will have to concede, you will have to agree
00:15that when it comes to message control,
00:18there is no second to PTI in message control.
00:22Okay, sir.
00:23Okay, sir.
00:24And all the expertise is left to everyone.
00:28Now the question is, how can this be managed so properly
00:32that one person is sitting in a meeting.
00:34What was the purpose of sitting in that meeting
00:36if you have appointed a police chief there
00:39and there is a single community
00:41of which the central police chief is technically sitting.
00:45They say they were appointed on the special request of Mr. Gandapur.
00:48No, sir, this is not how it works.
00:50It happens.
00:51This was not just Mr. Gandapur's request.
00:53He had made a request somewhere else.
00:55He was not told to go to a particular office in Islamabad
00:59and then his way was made there.
01:01Request?
01:02Did he make a request in the office of Islamabad or Pindi?
01:06No, he met in the office of Rawalpindi.
01:09Mr. Gauhar Khan had made a request.
01:11He was told that if you need anything like this,
01:15then you should contact a particular office in Islamabad
01:18and maybe you will be able to meet.
01:20Okay.
01:22But I am saying that if you have a relationship with Imran,
01:28then at this time your heart is convinced that
01:32whether anyone likes it or not,
01:34but as a humble student of politics,
01:37he saw that our leader was shouting,
01:39he said that if you want to talk, then you have to be an army chief.
01:42So he opened his mouth.
01:43May Allah bless you.
01:45So, in this, I understand carefully
01:49that if you talk about the propaganda front,
01:53its repercussions…
01:54Leave the propaganda.
01:55In your opinion, was this a complete non-event?
01:59I am saying no.
02:00Why are you so confident that even if they come,
02:04you are not letting their picture run,
02:07then you are also giving them time.
02:09Exactly.
02:10You are giving them 30 minutes, 45 minutes,
02:1310 minutes standing.
02:14You don't even tell them to sit.
02:16I accept everything.
02:18Then why are all these policies being given?
02:20There is something that is hidden.
02:22So we people who are sitting here and blackening our faces,
02:26to become a so-called beggar,
02:29without anything,
02:30we should sell potholes etc.
02:32Let's ask Shehzad.
02:34Let's ask the young man.
02:36Yes, maybe he knows.
02:37Yes, young man, you tell us.
02:39Experience is more useful than this.
02:42Is Shehzad a non-event?
02:47Even this can't be a non-event.
02:49Absolutely not.
02:50No, I don't agree that this is a non-event.
02:52See, Gauhar sir being there,
02:54and now the news came from Zaray,
02:56that there was a meeting on security matters,
02:58so Gandapur sir was there,
02:59Chief Minister Khyber Pakhtunkhwa is Gandapur sir,
03:01what else did Gauhar sir have to add on security matters?
03:04Because there will be no denial.
03:05No, no, listen to Zaray's statement.
03:07Zaray says,
03:08Minister Gauhar tried to talk on political matters,
03:12Gauhar was told the answer,
03:14talk to politicians on political matters,
03:16then why did you have a separate meeting?
03:18No, if,
03:19Sir, the meeting was done.
03:20The security matters were discussed in the meeting.
03:22If this is kept secret,
03:23kept secret for 4-5 days,
03:25then it means there was something.
03:26If this was just an ordinary security meeting,
03:28then I don't think anyone would have agreed
03:30that Gauhar sir should be minused.
03:32What is the logic?
03:33That other people's name will be in the press release,
03:34but Gauhar sir's is not.
03:35Why should this be accepted?
03:36Exactly.
03:37This will already create a doubt,
03:38that what propaganda is he trying to do?
03:40Like you all are saying,
03:41there is no use of PTI in doing propaganda.
03:43Then why would anyone agree,
03:44that Gauhar sir will be in the meeting,
03:46but he will not be disclosed.
03:48And tomorrow,
03:49if Imran Khan sir takes advantage of this,
03:50he did,
03:51he gave a statement today.
03:52So, I don't think there is any,
03:54I think this is significant,
03:56but having said that,
03:57this is a meeting,
03:58this is not a negotiation.
04:00I think there is a lot of trust deficit.
04:04But anyway,
04:05what was said from one side,
04:06that look,
04:07politicians will sit and talk to each other,
04:09we know that politicians are sitting,
04:11but who has the real power?
04:12When there is a meeting in Adiyala jail on Sunday,
04:14can Maryam Nawaz do it?
04:16Do you stop the production order?
04:18Mr. Bauder was saying,
04:19that the Chief Minister has that power.
04:21The government cannot send a negotiation team.
04:23Exactly.
04:24So, I am saying,
04:25whatever happens in this,
04:26these things are controlled.
04:27This decision of £190 million,
04:28from the first day,
04:29if there is any solid case against Imran Khan,
04:31then it is this,
04:32in which those answers are made,
04:33that you took advantage of your influence,
04:34and got benefit.
04:35And this is not even that case,
04:37like Cypher,
04:38like Iddat,
04:39or like Toshakhana,
04:40in which the trial was completed rapidly,
04:41before the decision was given.
04:43Here, Imran Khan's legal team says,
04:45that the case has been heard in a year,
04:47we have been given big opportunities,
04:49our legal team has been given opportunities,
04:51and the case has been heard with great satisfaction.
04:52And the judge's decision has also been written with great satisfaction.
04:54No, no, no,
04:55when you make a decision three times,
04:57then you are saying,
04:58whether this decision is on merit or not,
05:00we control this decision.
05:02Whenever we want,
05:03this decision will be heard,
05:04whenever we want,
05:05it will not be heard.
05:06No, the problem is,
05:07that the solid case,
05:08is also made controversial in this country.
05:10Now, in this case,
05:11there was no such thing,
05:12which you made so complex,
05:14and made controversial.
05:15Why did you make it controversial?
05:16Today, it has become controversial.
05:17Everyone is talking about this.
05:18If the decision is on merit,
05:19then also it will be controversial.
05:20If Imran Khan is punished,
05:21then also it will be controversial.
05:22Whenever a decision will be made
05:23about a politician,
05:24it will be controversial.
05:25I am leaving the question,
05:26I have to take a break now.
05:27That,
05:28in power games,
05:29everyone does chess moves.
05:30It is possible,
05:31that this is the issue of the other side,
05:33that this impression should be made,
05:35that PTI is dealing with us
05:37on the back side.
05:40And,
05:41PTI has a very basic stance,
05:43that we have to talk,
05:44and we do everything on the front.
05:46But,
05:47their chairman also comes and meets,
05:49he also says,
05:50don't take photos.
05:51Then,
05:52when the matter of the meeting is confirmed,
05:53then everyone is in great enthusiasm.
05:55Like,
05:56Shah ji said,
05:57oh,
05:58we are forced to talk.
05:59This is a double-edged sword.
06:01It is also possible,
06:02that tomorrow,
06:03this will be proved,
06:04that the party has become desperate.
06:05Or,
06:06what?
06:07There has to be a two-edged,
06:08I will answer after the break.