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00:00You must have read the Supreme Court's decision on fairness.
00:05They said that the affidavit submitted was found to be
00:10wording-exact, not valid, and found to be neither genuine nor valid.
00:18This came from them. Shahbaz Sharif was the party president at the time.
00:24At the end of the decision, they said,
00:41If the court says that the affidavit is neither genuine nor valid,
00:46and if the Supreme Court says that it is not genuine,
00:53does the civil court have the courage to oppose it?
00:57If you have decided that the affidavit is neither genuine nor valid,
01:01and you have removed the person's seat from the election commission,
01:06then I find this to be a strange contradiction in the decision.
01:10Tell me, is this decision right or wrong?
01:14And secondly, can there be a threat to Shahbaz Sharif's de-seating
01:18if this is upheld?
01:23I don't know if he will be de-seated or not.
01:26You are going into the details of this decision.
01:29It is difficult to go into the details of a decision in a talk show.
01:33They said that since Adil Bazaie has denied this affidavit,
01:39that I have not written this affidavit,
01:42and they have taken the matter to the civil court in Baluchistan,
01:45and the matter is going on with regard to this affidavit,
01:48therefore the election commission should not have considered this to be correct,
01:52and should not have de-seated him so quickly.
01:55It is evident that there could be a problem with this affidavit.
02:00This is why the matter is in the court,
02:02because the election commission should have waited for the court.
02:05This is what they have said.
02:07The election commission itself has decided without waiting for the court
02:11that this affidavit is absolutely correct,
02:13there is nothing wrong with it,
02:15and based on this we de-seat Adil Bazaie.
02:17This was a mistake,
02:19and the general opinions of the election commission
02:22have been the same for the past year and a half,
02:25if you remember the decision of Mr. Terminallah,
02:28in the reserved seats, and even before that,
02:30that what was the role of the election commission,
02:32before 8th February and after 8th February.
02:35This is a fact in front of us.
02:38The election case against Dhanli in Punjab,
02:41was filed in the PCO.
02:43But Salman, tell me something,
02:45if these were the grounds,
02:47then they could have simply suspended the decision of the election commission,
02:52and kept the old status until the court decides.
02:56But they have given grounds.
02:58They have written that,
03:00extracts from the official website of the National Assembly,
03:02show that till 27th September 2024,
03:05they were being shown as independent members.
03:07They have talked about videos,
03:09where there are other videos of oath-taking.
03:11Then they talk about the affidavit made by the SHO Civil Lines,
03:14that the affidavit appears to be false and fabricated.
03:17Syed Ahmed Oath Commissioner has said that,
03:20I have not neutralized this.
03:22They are giving all the grounds.
03:24Why are they giving all the grounds?
03:26Have they not prejudiced?
03:29My question is,
03:31has the Supreme Court not prejudiced the lower court,
03:33that they will fearfully give the same decision,
03:35that the Supreme Court has given?
03:39Sir, this is not a question of a talk show,
03:42I have made a decision of the Supreme Court,
03:44there are a lot of issues,
03:46we cannot cover it in a minute or two.
03:48You have read a few lines, it will not be like that.
03:50I will not go into the details of this decision,
03:52it is not like that.
03:54When you read it completely,
03:56and it will take me 20-25 minutes to explain it to you,
03:58that is why I will not talk about it,
04:00we do not have that much time.
04:02Okay, but in case,
04:04you can explain the political angle of the question,
04:06in case the lower court holds,
04:08that the affidavit,
04:10that they have submitted,
04:12that was false or fabricated,
04:14whatever,
04:16after that,
04:18can this case be made against the Prime Minister,
04:20that you have falsely accused this party president,
04:22and then he can be disqualified?
04:24This is my question.
04:28Look, there are possible things,
04:30if it is proven,
04:32that they have deliberately given a fake affidavit,
04:34then obviously,
04:36it will be a matter of corrupt practice,
04:38and our PPC is also on it,
04:40to give a false affidavit,
04:42in a court action,
04:44that is a later matter.
04:46Right now, this decision has to be made,
04:48that this affidavit,
04:50there are two affidavits,
04:52which one is correct?
04:54So, this decision will be made by the civil court,
04:56after that the matter will go to the high court,
04:58and then the matter will come to the Supreme Court,
05:00so it will take time.
05:02Okay, tell us from the court,
05:04the cases that you have appealed against the 14-year sentence,
05:06do you expect to be heard?
05:08Because we are also hearing that,
05:10it is possible that the case will be filed in a routine,
05:12or treated at par with other people,
05:14so if it is filed in a routine,
05:16then we are seeing it after months,
05:18what are we seeing?
05:22No, no, look, the appeal was not filed today,
05:24it will be filed in a few days,
05:26but with this,
05:28there will be a request,
05:30suspension of judgment,
05:32suspension of conviction,
05:34so that will take time,
05:36that will take a few days,
05:38the final decision of the appeal,
05:40that may take time,
05:42but the suspension of conviction,
05:44that will take time.
05:46So, are we looking at weeks,
05:48are we looking at weeks,
05:50are we looking at months,
05:52this appeal?
05:54Yes, yes, weeks, weeks,
05:56but the suspension of conviction,
05:58that will take weeks,
06:00and the matter will go to the Supreme Court.
06:02But then they will be under custody.
06:08Look, they are under custody in other cases as well.
06:10If in this case,
06:12their conviction is suspended,
06:14then the other cases,
06:16they will have to see,
06:18they are also going on at the same time.
06:20This case will go on,
06:22but this case is of a political nature.
06:24In my opinion, this case was nothing,
06:26nothing at all,
06:28I will not discuss it,
06:30but in my opinion,
06:32this case, and all the other cases,
06:34whenever they come to the Supreme Court,
06:36they will be over,
06:38like the Cypher case,
06:40and other cases,
06:42where the conviction,
06:44or the sentence was suspended,
06:46this will happen here as well,
06:48and this will happen soon.
06:50Trump has also taken the oath,
06:52he has become the President,
06:54everyone was saying that
06:56the PTI has put a lot of hopes,
06:59what is the feedback now?
07:01Are you expecting that there will be
07:03any movement there,
07:05or is it too early?
07:09Look, we have said from the beginning,
07:11that the decisions of Pakistan will be in Pakistan,
07:13we will do our political, legal,
07:15struggle here.
07:17America has only this much,
07:19if there is an effect,
07:21that if earlier there was a government there,
07:23which had a biased attitude,
07:25then now we expect,
07:28that we will not have a biased attitude,
07:30and if it has an effect here,
07:32then this is a good thing.
07:34We think that the Trump government,
07:36is not interested in this,
07:38that the PTI should be kept out,
07:40the PTI should be suspended,
07:42Imran Khan should be kept in jail,
07:44their being neutral in this matter,
07:46and our Pakistanis who live there,
07:48if they talk to their own Congressmen,
07:50that is your famous line,
07:52that is your famous line,
07:54they know to be neutral,
07:56neutral is an animal,
07:58what will happen to that?
08:00No, look, that is right,
08:02where there is a mark of truth and justice,
08:04and you say that I am neutral
08:06between truth and justice,
08:08then that is an animal thing,
08:10but they have no relation with our truth and justice,
08:12we have to fight the fight
08:14between our truth and justice.
08:16Let's hope, let's hope,
08:18that the law on which you are so dependent,
08:20some delivery comes,
08:22otherwise there is very little hope.
08:25Sorry, were you saying something?
08:27I said that we have overcome
08:29the law and the courts,
08:31we will continue to talk about principles,
08:33we are not talking about hope,
08:35we will do it on the political level
08:37and on the legal level as well.