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Video Information: 30.08.22, Conversation, Greater Noida

Context:
~ What is the solution to climate change?
~ How can spirituality halt global warming?
~ Is there no scientific way to address climate change?
~ How does compassion connect to veganism?
~ Why is veganism relevant to the modern world?
~ What is the relation between veganism and climate change?
~ How could veganism change the world?

Music Credits: Milind Date

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Transcript
00:00Being born with some impurities that need to be corrected.
00:07Lots of.
00:08Only impurities are born.
00:10Could another way of looking at this be that a baby when they're born, they're still not
00:16corrupted by the impurities of the present world, they may have some from their past reincarnations.
00:22Who brought impurities in the present world?
00:24Did they rain from the skies?
00:28You'd say the elders, but the elders were babies one day.
00:32Where did they get the impurities from?
00:34First of all, spirituality is about realizing that all nonsense emanates from the DNA.
00:41You are born with nonsense.
00:42That body identification is the fundamental problem and the root cause of all violence.
00:48It's the body that is violent because it is the body that is coming from the jungle.
00:52We share this body with the chimpanzees, with the dinosaurs, with the lions, tigers.
00:57Every single animal in the jungle is this body and therefore all the problems of the
01:04jungle are contained in this body.
01:06It's just that jungle does not have the weaponry, the ammunition to execute all the nonsense
01:15that arises as some kind of impulse from this body.
01:20So they only have impulses, but they cannot execute those impulses.
01:24When we have impulses, we have missiles to execute them because we have intellect.
01:31Animals only have animalistic prakriti, but they don't have missiles and guns and computers.
01:37We are animals with missiles and guns and computers.
01:40So we are far more dangerous.
01:42Isn't that a guilt-ridden way to think of life?
01:47That's a factful way.
01:48If that gives us guilt, fine.
01:50To me that gives us responsibility.
01:52And to me that gives us a glimmer of hope.
01:56I might be born an animal, but the potential to die free of the animal is possible.
02:02In some sense, then veganism is about gaining freedom from the animal.
02:06It's not about protecting the animal.
02:09When you say you are dependent on animal products, what are you doing?
02:13You are dependent on somebody.
02:14So veganism is about gaining freedom from the animal, the outer animal and the inner animal.
02:21Presently, because we are dependent on the inner animal, so we are dependent on the outer
02:27animal as well.
02:29When you are truly spiritual, then you are not dependent on the outer or the inner animal.
02:38You are free of both and you can't be free of just one of them.
02:42When there will be freedom, freedom will have both the sides.
02:49So how do you, I personally believe in the antinatalist philosophy and I do not intend
02:57to procreate myself, although I would consider perhaps adopting children at some point.
03:03But how do you, what kind of a world do you see with majority of people being antinatals
03:11and then do you see the human civilization coming to an end at some point in the future?
03:17Listen, what I'll say, if not considered rightly, will appear either vile or hilarious.
03:31There is no great virtue in the human civilization continuing, first thing.
03:37If the child is born suffering, why do you want to bring more child to the world to make them suffer?
03:45What is the point in ensuring that the cycle continues?
03:51What is the great need or the great virtue?
03:55And what is the great catastrophe if it all, you know?
03:58Second thing, not everybody is born to be self-realized, right?
04:09The average kind of people will always outnumber the ones who understand.
04:14So the human race will continue, don't worry.
04:18There will be always enough people who will never understand what I am saying and therefore
04:23they will keep on bearing 2 kids, 4 kids, 20 kids.
04:27So don't worry, human race is not at the risk of annihilation.
04:29I will never be totally understood and the race will continue.
04:34So then eventually do you think the average minds will overpopulate as compared to the
04:42reasonable or the self-realized ones?
04:43Isn't that the thing that has not been happening till this date?
04:45It has.
04:46The ones who understand lose interest in procreation.
04:51Therefore who is left to procreate?
04:53All the ones who do not understand and that has been happening since the beginning of
04:57time.
04:58So it's not a new thing that will happen.
05:01See if I might ask a question here, you know James Lovelock said, if the earth improves
05:08as a result of human presence, we will flourish.
05:12If it does not, we will perish.
05:15So he is imagining a system in which the earth improves as a result of human presence.
05:23In that case, aren't human beings then an asset to the planet?
05:26No, that's the improvement that we can bring to the earth.
05:30The improvement is that human beings have taken the status of earth down from 0 to minus
05:37200.
05:39So what do you do when you want to improve from a point of minus 200?
05:43You bring yourself up to 0.
05:45So let us reduce to 0.
05:49The improvement that we can bring to earth cannot be positive or affirmative.
05:55It can only be reductive.
06:02There were these twin towers in Noida, right?
06:06And they were wrongly made or something.
06:07I do not know the nuances of the case.
06:10How did you improve the situation in that locality?
06:15By bringing them down.
06:16That's the improvement we can bring about.
06:18Dismiss, demolish, finish it off.
06:23Sounds so very nihilistic.
06:25No?
06:26It does.
06:27It does.
06:28It does.
06:29So, then, please remember, it is only when you clear away the nonsense that there is
06:38some room, some space created for something beautiful or clean.
06:44You know what the situation of this studio was just yesterday night?
06:50You won't want to look at that picture.
06:53It was all cluttered and chaotic and in the worst shape possible.
06:59And it was brought into this form because you were arriving.
07:04What did we do in the first place?
07:07We cleared away the nonsense.
07:11That's what this earth today needs.
07:13It has too much nonsense.
07:15First of all, that needs to be annihilated.
07:18We need Shiva for pralaya.
07:20That's the fundamental requirement.
07:21And after that, we can have a great beginning.
07:24So do not think that zero means zero.
07:28Zero means beauty.
07:29The entire philosophy of Buddha is shunyavad.
07:33Let it all be reduced to zero and then you will see something magnificently beautiful.
07:38What that thing would be, we do not know and we cannot even predict.
07:42But what we know is that what we have currently is extremely nonsensical.
07:48So let's do what we must and clear this away.
07:52What is your advice for a self-realized individual to reconcile with this clutter and still be
07:58able to live a relatively happy and content life?
08:03To begin with, create a little clean space from where you can operate.
08:09That little clean space then becomes your war room.
08:13And then you operate from there and you want to somehow expand that space of cleanliness.
08:23So that is the purpose.
08:24No.
08:25Just do what you can.
08:26Right?
08:27What else?
08:28What else?
08:29What else?
08:31This is Arjuna.
08:32It is being called to battle.
08:38We do not know whether anything would come out of it.
08:41But this is the minimum and the maximum we can do.
08:44So we do that.
08:48If you start thinking of the results, it hardly energizes you.
08:55If you want to lose, then start thinking of the results.
08:59Because common sense and normal extrapolation tells you that the battle is just too impossible
09:09to win.
09:11But the battle is just too essential to be ignored.
09:20So you fight it.
09:22Impossible to win and impossible to ignore.
09:27What do you do?
09:28You fight it without caring for the results.
09:30What else can you do?

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