Video Information: 07.11.2024, Greater Noida
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In this discussion, Acharya Prashant addresses the contentious issue of delimitation in Indian politics, particularly the disparities between North and South India. He highlights how the current allocation of Lok Sabha seats does not reflect population growth, leading to an imbalance in representation. The North Indian states, despite having a larger population, face challenges in human development indicators compared to their Southern counterparts. Acharya ji emphasizes that the focus should not merely be on increasing population numbers but on improving education, quality of life, and making informed decisions. He argues that true progress lies in wisdom and understanding rather than sheer numbers, urging a reevaluation of how representation and resources are distributed in the country.
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In this discussion, Acharya Prashant addresses the contentious issue of delimitation in Indian politics, particularly the disparities between North and South India. He highlights how the current allocation of Lok Sabha seats does not reflect population growth, leading to an imbalance in representation. The North Indian states, despite having a larger population, face challenges in human development indicators compared to their Southern counterparts. Acharya ji emphasizes that the focus should not merely be on increasing population numbers but on improving education, quality of life, and making informed decisions. He argues that true progress lies in wisdom and understanding rather than sheer numbers, urging a reevaluation of how representation and resources are distributed in the country.
🎧 Listen to Acharya Prashant on Spotify:
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Music Credits: Milind Date
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00:00Hello, I am Rana Ishwant and I welcome you all.
00:08In the politics of our country, there are three issues which are often discussed.
00:14Uniform Civil Code, One Nation, One Election and Delimitation.
00:20It is believed that these three issues can potentially redefine the course and direction
00:26of Indian politics.
00:29Among these, delimitation is a topic that is being discussed, but it is created far
00:35more uproar, especially between the states of North India and South India.
00:40Because when delimitation was done during the time of independence, it was decided that
00:44the maximum number in the Lok Sabha would remain at 500.
00:47Later, it was increased to 543 and the number can go up to a maximum of 550.
00:53But the delimitation that should have happened by now is scheduled for 2026 and even before
00:59it takes place, there is an uproar.
01:01The larger the population, the more seats allocated.
01:05Now Uttar Pradesh and Bihar, if you combine the populations of both the states, they account
01:10for about one-fourth of the country's population.
01:13But they have only 125 seats.
01:16In contrast, the five states of South India, Kerala, Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh
01:21and Telangana have combined population of around 21% and they have 129 seats in total.
01:29Now if the seats are distributed based on population, it is obvious that the North Indian
01:34states will gain more seats in the Lok Sabha.
01:37The South Indian states argue, we reduced our population, served the nation and now
01:44we are suffering losses as well.
01:46Why is this?
01:47It is very obvious that this question brings up many other questions along with it.
01:54All of which need answers.
01:57That's why today I thought of discussing this with Acharya Prashant ji.
02:02Sir you are very very welcome.
02:04This delimitation and the uproar surrounding it because you keep thinking about this topic
02:10number of times.
02:11How do you see this issue right now?
02:14We have delayed this problem for 50 years, but we cannot postpone it anymore.
02:18We have to face it.
02:20Now what is this delimitation?
02:22This delimitation, we have to explain this concept.
02:25Now articles 82 and 170 of the constitution are designed to preserve the principles of
02:37democracy.
02:39It gives us a system in which the value of the vote of every citizen irrespective of
02:45the place that he belongs to should be absolutely and totally the same.
02:51It shouldn't work this way wherein say 10,000 people are electing their representative for
02:56the Lok Sabha and maybe somewhere else 10 lakh people are electing their representative
03:02for the Lok Sabha.
03:03Now if this is happening then the value of the vote of those 10,000 people would be much
03:08more than those 10 lakh people.
03:11Now the biggest concern over here is the interlock that's happening between the federalism and
03:20the democracy.
03:22The federal structure of India and the democratic system of India are getting interlocked.
03:31How are they getting interlocked?
03:33In 1991 we opted for delimitation.
03:37Now what is delimitation?
03:39Now take any constituency.
03:41It can be of Vidhan Sabha or Lok Sabha.
03:43Adjusting the boundaries.
03:44They delimited the entire thing.
03:45They adjusted the figures accordingly and then they changed the boundaries.
03:50Now when we had started off, the total number of Lok Sabha seats were less than 500 and
03:56then they gradually increased from 1951 to 1961 to 1971 and now they are approximately
04:02around 550.
04:04It's only in 1971 that we realized that this increase in the number of seats is because
04:09of all those states where the population is growing, whose population is increasing rapidly
04:14and their contribution to the human development is very less and they are highly underdeveloped.
04:21They are highly incentivized and their representation in the Lok Sabha is increasing at a rapid
04:26rate.
04:28Now if their Lok Sabha representation increases, it reflects in Rajya Sabha too.
04:32So when this disproportion was observed, this thing was stopped in 1971.
04:37Now 50 years later in 2021, it was assumed that the North Indian states, they would catch
04:44up with the rest of the country.
04:46They would catch up with the South Indian states on the different indexes of human development.
04:51But the opposite has happened.
04:53The North Indian states have fallen further behind on all human development indicators.
05:00Now if we again opt for delimitation, the number of seats back then in that period had
05:09just about increased by 50 in 30 years.
05:12Today if they are increased, they would approximately touch the 850 mark.
05:16The North Indian states…
05:17Will dominate in the new Lok Sabha.
05:18Yes.
05:19That is why it is…
05:20That's why it's been done.
05:22Northern states of India have increased their population to such a massive extent that approximately
05:2870 to 80% of the new seats would be allotted to them.
05:33The seats of South Indian states will also increase because even their population has
05:37increased.
05:38But the ratio between North India and South India will be totally imbalanced, massively
05:43imbalanced.
05:44It will be a skewed ratio.
05:45Now the par ratio of the states of South India, their relative strength in comparison with
05:50the North India will go weak.
05:52Now just assume that out of the 545 seats, they have X percent of seats.
05:57We'll take up all the 5 Southern states – Kerala, Tamil Nadu, Telangana, Andhra and Karnataka.
06:01Now if they have X percent of seats and suppose we go for delimitation in accordance with
06:08the current population, then their seats will decrease from X percentage to 0.7X or 0.8X
06:17and this would be in percentage.
06:18Absolutely they would increase but in comparison with the Northern states, they would decrease.
06:23Now this is absolute injustice.
06:25This would be a direct injustice and there cannot be an explanation to this.
06:28How is this unjust?
06:30I can explain it to you.
06:31Of course.
06:32Please go ahead.
06:33See, everything that has made this nation prosperous has largely happened in the Southern
06:38states, right?
06:40You only told me that it is the citizens who make the country.
06:43Now the welfare of the country and its citizens has been done predominantly by the Southern
06:47states and there's no doubt about it.
06:49If you take up the education sector, just for an example, I can share certain things
06:53with you.
06:54If we are talking about the education sector, then we'll talk about the literacy rate.
07:00The difference in literacy rates is 20% between the North and the South.
07:0520%.
07:06Yes.
07:07Now we talked about the five Southern states.
07:09Now we'll take up the five Northern states, UP, MP, Rajasthan, Bihar, we'll add up Jharkhand
07:17with Bihar and Chhattisgarh with Madhya Pradesh.
07:20If we consider these examples, Kerala has nearly 100% literacy while Bihar is around
07:2460%.
07:26Now who has done the job better?
07:28Kerala.
07:29But who will be punished?
07:31Kerala.
07:32And the punishment will have different dimensions, we'll talk about it later.
07:35And I will also suggest a solution that I feel should work.
07:40We can take some other examples too.
07:41If we compare Uttar Pradesh and Tamil Nadu, the difference in their literacy rate is way
07:46too much.
07:47And there's one more thing called mean years of schooling.
07:51It's the average number of years that a person has spent during his education in the school.
07:59The difference in this ratio too is 50%.
08:02In the Southern states, it's about six and a half percent.
08:05And in the Northern states, it's about 4.25 years.
08:09Now if you add up 50% in 4.25 years, then it comes down to 6.5.
08:14So the Southern India is 50% ahead in this aspect too.
08:19And this decision wasn't taken during the independence.
08:22This is their conscious choice.
08:24The Southern states have worked hard, taken tough decisions.
08:27They have taken tough decisions regarding the education sector.
08:30We haven't taken those kinds of decisions.
08:32They took the right decisions.
08:33They took the tough decisions.
08:34They went the hard way and we cannot penalize them for the same.
08:36Am I right?
08:37I'll tell you one more thing.
08:40You will be surprised to know that an average South Indian family spends around 40% of their
08:46total income on education.
08:50Now the average North Indian family, they spend around 10 to 20% of their total income
08:57on education.
08:59And we should also know that when the income of the average North Indian family is one
09:03third of the South Indian family.
09:05Firstly, the income is less.
09:07And then imagine spending 10 to 20% on education from that.
09:10Now the average South Indian family, the middle class family or the lower middle class family,
09:14they spent about 40% of their total income on education.
09:18I'll explain you what Acharyaji is saying.
09:20If a North Indian family earns 100 rupees, then they spend 20 rupees on education.
09:25Now a South Indian family earning twice that amount.
09:27So on 200 rupees, it spends 40%, which is 80 rupees.
09:31They earn three times more than us.
09:33Our average annual income is about 70,000 while theirs is 2,20,000.
09:37There's so much of a difference.
09:38It is a big gap.
09:40Now here is another question.
09:42Since we want that proportional representation should take place.
09:46If 30 lakh people in North India elect one MP, and 8 to 10 lakh people in South India
09:52elect one MP, doesn't that mean a person in the South is effectively worth three people
09:58in the North?
09:59Don't you think that it is harming North India?
10:01See, I will talk about the solution.
10:03Yes, please do.
10:04I will talk about the solution and how can we make a way out of it.
10:07I'll give you one more statistic about education.
10:10After keeping the statistic in mind, the solution that I will suggest would appeal much more
10:15to you.
10:16Otherwise, the solution wouldn't sound comprehensive enough.
10:19Now the number of education loans taken all over India.
10:23Now taking an education loan is a decision, right?
10:2670% of those education loans are taken in South India while only 15% are taken in North
10:31India.
10:32It's not that South Indian families always have that kind of a money.
10:35They make tough decisions, they even go for loans, but they ensure that their children
10:39get educated.
10:4070%!
10:41They have a smaller population, yet 70% of the education loans in the country are taken
10:46in the South.
10:4715%!
10:48Only 15% are taken in North India and the remaining 15% elsewhere.
10:53Are you getting my point?
10:54We'll have a look at things which are not coincidental.
10:57Such things happen only when a human being or his society takes decisions consciously.
11:02Earlier I talked about per capita income.
11:05In the South, it's about 2.25 lakh rupees, while in the North it is about 70,000 rupees.
11:12And even this 70,000 rupees includes remittances sent by North Indians working in the South.
11:20If you remove that, the per capita income in the North would be even lower.
11:24Now one thing that needs to be added to the per capita income of North India is the massive
11:28fertile land that the South doesn't have.
11:32Despite having such a massive fertile land, the per capita income in the North is less
11:36than a third of the South's.
11:38They definitely deserve some credit because this isn't just about resources, it's about
11:43hard work, self-reliance and disciplined efforts.
11:45Yes, it's about the decisions a society makes.
11:48Shouldn't the community that made better decisions be rewarded or not?
11:53Are you getting my point?
11:54There are some other issues too.
11:56Now the biggest stain on India is that nearly 4 crore women are missing from our population.
12:02These women are almost entirely from North and West India.
12:06Distinctly North and West India.
12:08Include Rajasthan and Gujarat in the West.
12:11We consider Rajasthan as the Northern part, add Gujarat to it.
12:15The notorious reputation regarding female feticide is not associated with the South.
12:20This is in the North?
12:21Yes, this is a North-centric issue.
12:22These actions don't happen by accident or coincidence.
12:24There's absolutely no doubt that these are deliberate decisions.
12:28There are many other factors that we should consider.
12:33Things like unemployment or startups, that is, innovation in a particular field.
12:38How much has that progressed?
12:40All of the progress regarding these particular things is significantly more in the South
12:46compared to the North.
12:47And after all this, when you see how much tax revenue comes from the South, you'll be
12:56totally astonished.
12:58Really?
13:00Karnataka contributes 1.26 lakh crore.
13:05Tamil Nadu around 86,000 crore.
13:10Uttar Pradesh 23,000 crore and Bihar 6,000 crore.
13:16So they're earning and contributing too?
13:17Yes, absolutely.
13:18They're earning and contributing.
13:20And you must also know that this isn't just state tax, it's central tax.
13:25And this goes to the government.
13:27The Finance Commission redistributes 41% of shareable central taxes to the states.
13:33And when the Finance Commission redistributes it, the criteria that is used in this redistribution
13:37is population.
13:40And the total area of the state?
13:43And this benefits the North?
13:44Yes, the money from the South ends up going to the North.
13:48And this precisely is the money that is used for the development projects that are happening
13:51in the North.
13:52All the development projects that are happening in the North, the roads, the dams, are funded
13:56significantly by the taxes from the South.
14:00So this is already a form of injustice to the South.
14:03It's unfair.
14:04Yes, we are doing injustice to them.
14:05There's definitely injustice.
14:07If you have a close look at the metrics used by the Finance Commission to allocate funds
14:12to the states, if you have a very close look at them, they seem very fair.
14:15But if you dig deeper, based on every single metric, there's a certain weightage and criteria
14:20to it.
14:21If you have this much, you'll get this much.
14:22So based on this, the funds are allocated to the states.
14:25Now all the metrics used by the Finance Commission, directly or indirectly, they use poverty and
14:32population as the main factors.
14:35Now where is the population higher?
14:37In the North.
14:38And where's there's more poverty?
14:40So the funds that are allocated from the Centre are majorly distributed in the Northern part
14:46of India, but where has the Centre received it from?
14:49From the South.
14:50They had received it from the South.
14:51The poverty, and we should also understand that the bigger the state is, they need much
14:56more money to administer it.
14:58So poverty, the total area of the state, and population.
15:02Because of these factors, UP, MP, Bihar get the most.
15:05So this is already a kind of injustice.
15:09So why can't we all opt for this particular thing?
15:13That in delimitation, we should increase the number of MLAs in assemblies.
15:21And give the Northern states 20 to 30 more years that introspect yourself and show us
15:30a considerable improvement.
15:32And we will reconsider it in 2051.
15:35I'm saying this because in a family, if one sibling feels unfairly treated, it risks breaking
15:44the family apart.
15:46And there's definitely a statement that it's time to increase the population, though he
15:52was referring to the fact that India is aging, and the total fertility rate of the country
15:59has dropped to 2.1.
16:03In the South, it is even lower, around 1.6.
16:05So we can see that through his entire statement, he was trying to explain that if the younger
16:10generation doesn't grow, at a certain point of time, the country will age rapidly.
16:15So to escape the aging, we need to continue giving birth.
16:18So don't you think that has given this statement out of fear?
16:23Yes, it's definitely coming out of that fear only, nothing else.
16:27And this is definitely not unique to us.
16:28This is happening in many developed countries, that what they do is they incentivize women
16:33to have more children.
16:35But you know, the root of this discussion lies somewhere else.
16:39The definition of old age has changed.
16:41The societies where the percentage of old age people is increasing, all of them are
16:44highly developed.
16:46In these developed societies, average life expectancy has also increased.
16:49In South India, life expectancy at birth is 10 to 15 years higher than in the north, depending
16:57on which states you are comparing.
17:01When people used to die at 60, which age was considered as old age?
17:04Tell me the number.
17:05You could call them old at 45, thinking they had only 15 years left.
17:08But now people live till 90.
17:10So shouldn't we consider them fit till at least 70?
17:14Right?
17:15No.
17:16Medical science has advanced.
17:17Your per capita income is higher, your average life is more, you are better educated, your
17:20foreign exposure is more.
17:22You have everything.
17:23You have insurance, government scheme, you're living in a developed place.
17:27In India, there are many parts, especially in South India, like Goa, their living standards
17:32are almost on par with China, regarding per capita income and also regarding some other
17:36criteria.
17:38So now you can't call yourself an old man.
17:41At 50, you cannot be called an old man.
17:43Even at 70, you cannot be considered old.
17:45We, sitting here in North India, think a 70-year-old as an old man.
17:49But is he?
17:50He became president at the age of 78.
17:53Do you really think he considers himself old?
17:55Yes.
17:57We are very familiar with this culture.
17:58In politics, age doesn't matter.
18:00You know it very well.
18:03If a person is hale and hearty, if his lifestyle is good, if he's taking care of himself, he
18:07wouldn't go old that early.
18:09So this idea of old age is irrelevant, totally irrelevant.
18:13So this statement is completely out of the fear of delimitation and major drop in the
18:18population.
18:19See, he's just creating a sensation.
18:20And it's all about Woodbank politics.
18:22So it's all about that, basically.
18:24But even if you set aside his statement, this thing wouldn't appeal to our consciousness
18:29also.
18:30That we have reduced the seat share of those who have worked utterly sincerely, disciplined
18:36themselves, and they have made progress.
18:39Don't you think it's gross injustice?
18:40All right, then another question arises.
18:42It's one country.
18:44And there's a movement and exchange between the North and South.
18:48So why are South Indian states so aware, so progressive, and steadily growing stronger
18:55over the period of time, while North India remains plagued by weakness and falling behind
18:59continuously?
19:00Oh, what a question you have asked.
19:03Trust me, trust me, this is my biggest pain.
19:06And this is what I've been trying to explain to North India, but people think I'm trying
19:10to hurt them.
19:11See the thing that we call a culture has drifted far from the real dharma.
19:21And what we call dharma has moved far from philosophy and truth.
19:26And this is the problem in North India.
19:29And North India is much more stubborn and aggressive compared to the South.
19:36And because of this, it resists change.
19:39A lot of reform movements took place in India over the past 250 years, movements to bring
19:47about a very positive change in the society.
19:51Now they mostly happened in the South, or in the West, like Maharashtra, or in some
19:58parts of Bengal.
20:00But the Hindi heartland was largely left out of these reforms.
20:05So there was no social or religious reform, which is why we have lagged behind.
20:11See when we say that India's per capita income is about $2,400, do UP and Bihar contribute
20:21to this?
20:22Now you can remove the income of the non-resident North Indians from that particular equation.
20:29It falls even more.
20:30It won't even be a thousand dollars.
20:33I feel very sorry to say this, I feel very painful, but we are the slum house of this
20:37world.
20:39North India.
20:40North India.
20:41And as even I'm a North Indian, I'm talking about myself too.
20:43We are the slum of this world.
20:46But we take great pride regarding ourselves, our great Indian tradition and things like
20:51that.
20:52See, the South was ready to change and reform.
20:55Even the South was extremely orthodox.
20:56For example, if you go to Tamil Nadu, and if you see the temple re-entry movement of
21:01Kerala.
21:02So what kind of a regressive practices and social, religious and caste based operation
21:07will you find in North India?
21:09It was as bad, if not worse in Tamil Nadu and Kerala, but they reformed.
21:13And it's so astonishing, but they reformed.
21:15And they reformed in a big way.
21:16And that's stupendous.
21:18North India has simply refused to change.
21:20We are simply stuck with the same old regressive programs.
21:25And you know, these programs have become even more intense during the last two to three
21:30decades.
21:31See, the new Babas that are coming up, there's hardly anyone from South India.
21:35There's this South Indian Baba who we all know, but he fled away.
21:37All right, he went away and he has established his base on some island.
21:41The rest of all these so called Babas that are cropping up, who are making this country
21:45very regressive, all of them are coming up from North India.
21:48Most of the regressive activities are happening in North India and our public is supporting
21:53them very much.
21:54We didn't focus on education in North India, whereas the South invested big time in that
21:59sector.
22:00When the IT sector started opening up, Lucknow didn't make it nor Gurgaon made it, but Bengaluru
22:09did it and then Hyderabad did it and then Pune and then Mumbai.
22:15Because to do some international work, you require educated people and they aren't available
22:19in North India, whereas the population is much more in North India.
22:23Look at the engineering colleges in Tamil Nadu and also in Telangana.
22:29If you compare them to UP, which has crossed 20 crore population, we are nowhere in front
22:34of them.
22:35If you go to Infosys and have a really close look, you will be surprised by the number
22:39of South Indians over there, you'll be really surprised.
22:41If you see the numbers over there, the ratio, it is completely filled with South Indians.
22:45Look at the overseas Indian communities.
22:48How many North Indians are there?
22:49Forget Canada, because those are Punjabis.
22:51Forget Canada, take the example of US or Europe.
22:53If you see the overseas communities over there, mostly of them are South Indians, because
22:58they are focused on education.
22:59We are stuck with our age-old tradition and we refuse to change.
23:03And may whatever happen, we will not change our stance.
23:05It's loud and clear.
23:06Now again question arises.
23:07You are suggesting increasing the number of seats in assemblies, but you are also saying
23:12we should wait until 2051 to reconsider whether we should increase Lok Sabha seats or not.
23:17By the meantime, we should give time to North India to catch up with the South India.
23:22But in North India, there's been a narrative growing loud for years now that grow your
23:28population.
23:29If you won't do it, then your existence is in danger.
23:33The larger our population, the more secure we'll be.
23:37So we can clearly reach to the point that this entire mindset seems to oppose the kind
23:43of reforms and improvements you are advocating.
23:45You had a discussion with me about Israel.
23:47Tell me how many Jews are there in the world?
23:49I guess around one crore.
23:5173 lakh people have already monopolized the whole world.
23:55Why should we increase our numbers?
23:58Why we should increase our population?
24:00They tell Hindus to increase their numbers.
24:02There's also a section of people in Muslims who say that increase the numbers and you
24:06will get that kind of a representation and will dominate this kind of a thing.
24:10And now this trend is catching up with the Hindus to increase your population.
24:13You tell me why should we increase it?
24:15Just 73 lakh Jews are dominating this world.
24:17Just 73 lakhs.
24:19What's the use of it?
24:20We are already 120 crores and we hardly have a life.
24:23And if 120 crores is not making you feel secure, how would 500 crore make you feel so?
24:31If you look at the global population growth rates, I mean, at what rate is the global
24:36population increasing?
24:37And if you compare it with the growth rate of the Hindus, Hindus are still growing faster
24:42than the world's average population growth rate.
24:44Yes, I acknowledge Muslims are growing even faster.
24:47All right.
24:48This means that the percentage of Hindus in the world population today is not less than
24:55what it was 50 years ago.
24:58It might have gone up a little and even 30 years later, it's not going to decrease.
25:03And if it, if it goes up or down by 0.1 or 0.2%, what difference will it make?
25:09It's not a question of numbers.
25:10We are not cattle.
25:12It's all about wisdom.
25:13We are humans.
25:15One human being who is educated, intelligent, brave and aware can outweigh so many fools
25:22out there.
25:23We don't have to create a herd of fools.
25:26I repeat, 73 lakh Jews are dominating this world.
25:31Look at the Jains, look at the Sikhs, are they counting their numbers?
25:35There aren't too many Jains, there aren't too many Sikhs.
25:37And their growth rate of population is even lower than Muslims or Hindus.
25:43And they aren't concerned about this and they're not saying, come on, we'll increase
25:46our numbers.
25:47This is the way it should be.
25:48If we want a good life, we shouldn't be living like herds of animals out there.
25:54But yes, we should consider one point over here.
25:57That in democracy, heads are counted and not what's inside those heads.
26:00That I know.
26:01And that is where the problem is.
26:02And there should be a solution to this problem.
26:05And we will have a separate discussion on that one.
26:07And I definitely acknowledge that problem.
26:09So here, Acharyaji is saying, as Iqbal once said, that democracy is a system where people
26:15are counted, not weighed.
26:17You are saying we should weigh them.
26:19Education, capability and prosperity should matter.
26:24If you'll focus on these, then definitely we'll create a strong society.
26:28Weak, helpless, poor, dependent.
26:32By simply increasing the number of such individuals in our society, we can't increase our influence
26:37at all.
26:38History won't remember us for that.
26:40Pranaji, what would happen?
26:41When we were slaves, our population was 100 times larger than those who enslaved us.
26:49Did population save us?
26:52They had technology, they had science, they had inventions, they had research.
26:56These are the things that empower a society.
26:59And we are not talking about this.
27:00We are simply stuck at this.
27:01Increase the population.
27:02Back in 1757, during the Battle of Plassey, your population was so huge.
27:06You had 17 times as many troops as the British.
27:08Yet you lost the battle, right?
27:09Your number simply doesn't matter.
27:11One missile.
27:13One missile from Israel is good enough for the entire of Iran.
27:18Israel has a small population, Iran has a large one and huge territory.
27:22But then what?
27:23What will you do?
27:24What will you achieve with such a massive population and such a massive piece of land?
27:27What matters is what kind of a human you are.
27:29The quality of the human being.
27:30We need to better that.
27:32We are focusing on quantity instead of quality.
27:35The discussion began with delimitation and from delimitation it has led us to examine
27:41North Indian society and its mindset.
27:43And there are some undeniable facts here that demand serious thought and reflection.
27:48We must think about it.
27:50Acharya ji, I would like to thank you a lot.
27:54I feel this discussion has been immensely meaningful and viewers should revisit these
28:00points again and again to grasp their significance thoroughly.