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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum dear viewers, today is Friday and this is the last program of the week.
00:24There have been a lot of developments that we will talk about today.
00:27As you know, there is a case going on with the military court.
00:30The military court has been given permission to announce the verdict.
00:36We will also talk about the objections raised by Maulana Sahib from the President of Pakistan.
00:45But today, our first story is about jokes.
00:49Sometimes the people of Pakistan keep the conditions in front of them.
00:54Sometimes they say that they are ready to talk without conditions.
00:57Then they say that we are not keeping any such conditions in front of us.
01:00Similarly, we have heard from the government in the past that you are not ready to talk to us.
01:05You are ready to talk to those who have real power.
01:08Then go and talk to them.
01:10So now who will talk to whom?
01:13Will there be negotiations or not?
01:16This is our question.
01:18First of all, Senator Ali Zafar of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf, who is the leader of the house,
01:24represents his party in the Senate.
01:27He has presented his party's position on the latest negotiations.
01:35This is going on as if we are requesting someone to come and negotiate with the PTA.
01:40I met Imran Khan yesterday.
01:42When I asked him this, he was very angry.
01:44He said that this is not the way to negotiate.
01:46We are not asking for alms from anyone.
01:48We are not requesting anyone to negotiate.
01:50The allegation was that you have closed the doors of conversation.
01:53We have only opened those doors.
01:55We will talk to those who have the power to talk.
01:58Absolutely.
01:59I think he has extended the same statement.
02:02The Secretary General of the House, Umar Yub, said that we are ready to talk to the angels.
02:10They should be ready to talk.
02:11Today, Ali Zafar has put forward two conditions.
02:15He is saying that you should talk to them about getting them to act.
02:19Then the matter should move forward.
02:21We have put forward two conditions.
02:23First, these two conditions.
02:24We have put forward two conditions.
02:25First, these two conditions should be fulfilled.
02:27One condition is that the commission should be made on 24th, 25th, 26th.
02:30There will be freedom of expression.
02:31Without any other case, the workers and the leaders you have kept in jail, should be released.
02:37If they accept the request, then our doors are open.
02:40Absolutely.
02:41He is saying that if a request is made, then our doors are open.
02:44Different statements at different times.
02:46These discussions will be in camera, on record.
02:49It is a good thing.
02:50Discussions should take place.
02:51He is saying all these things.
02:52But these statements at different times are put forward to you.
02:55They were given to me by Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaab.
02:57We have said that we are ready to talk to the angels.
03:00Now, the first move will be taken from their side.
03:03They will offer.
03:05Then you should come.
03:06There will be dialogue.
03:08And we will do it in front of the public.
03:11The media will be there.
03:12And it will be open.
03:13There will be no secret dialogue.
03:15We have talked about the negotiations.
03:16But without any weakness, without any compulsion.
03:20If someone wants to do it, then well and good.
03:22If someone does not want to do it, then do not do it.
03:23It is very important for us.
03:24They are happy.
03:25They think that we are negotiating with the CSM.
03:27I don't know if anyone wants to negotiate.
03:29No.
03:30You keep your mouth shut.
03:32On behalf of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaab,
03:34I would like to know the opinion of my panelists on these statements.
03:39Mr. Haider Naqvi, after a long time,
03:42you have gone out of the country.
03:46You have come back.
03:47Thank you very much.
03:48Welcome back to the show, Mr. Naqvi.
03:50And Mr. Lahore Sachin Gramsand,
03:52Mr. Hassan Ayub, as usual,
03:54are sitting on my head in the studio.
03:56Mr. Haider Naqvi, I will start with you today.
03:58What do you think?
03:59Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaab is talking about negotiations.
04:03They have talked about negotiations more than once.
04:06They have formed a committee.
04:07So, why are you not listening to them?
04:09You are negotiating.
04:10Tell your friends that a party is getting ready to negotiate.
04:14So, what is your objection?
04:15Negotiations should be done.
04:16Mr. Naqvi.
04:17Look, it is not that the government is refusing to negotiate.
04:22The thing is that when there are negotiations,
04:24when you sit at the table,
04:26then you start the conversation in such a way
04:29that the conversation is not initiated with any disagreement.
04:33Now, when you initiate the conversation with some disagreement,
04:37in such a way that instead of moving forward,
04:40the conversation freezes there,
04:42then those negotiations are not done.
04:44Those negotiations are not done.
04:46So, the most important thing to negotiate is that both the parties
04:50who want to negotiate, especially Tariq-e-Insaab,
04:53because right now I think that Tariq-e-Insaab needs negotiations the most
04:58because Tariq-e-Insaab wants to return to nationalistic politics.
05:02In the last one and a half years,
05:03the kind of back-to-back events that took place
05:06and the picture that came out of them,
05:08it seemed that Tariq-e-Insaab does not want to do nationalistic politics.
05:12Tariq-e-Insaab only wants to do the politics of indecision.
05:14So, it is very important for Tariq-e-Insaab to end this impression
05:18that you sit at the table of negotiations without any disagreement.
05:21If you start negotiating, you will find a lot of ways.
05:25And obviously, the one who is listening to you,
05:27will also accept the ways that you will find
05:30and will move forward with you.
05:32The one who is listening, I want to tell you,
05:34the one who is negotiating with you,
05:36I am saying this for Tariq-e-Insaab,
05:38she really wants Pakistan to move on such a track
05:43where everything takes us towards progress,
05:47where everything takes us towards strong change,
05:50where everything takes us towards improvement.
05:52So, she will never stop you from negotiating.
05:56But you will have to think,
05:58it is very important that the situation you are going through right now,
06:01I am not talking about any accusation,
06:04but the situation is visible.
06:06The situation you are going through,
06:08it is very important for you to sit at the table of negotiations.
06:11After that, the ways will start moving on their own.
06:14Tariq-e-Insaab starts his speech,
06:16starts his conversation,
06:18starts his conversation with Iyaq-an-Abdo and Iyaq-an-Asta'in.
06:21So, follow Iyaq-an-Abdo and Iyaq-an-Asta'in.
06:24And when you start moving forward on this straight path,
06:27God will make ways for you.
06:29This is my belief.
06:30Mr. Ghulam Shah, two points have been highlighted by Mr. Naqvi.
06:34One is that if there is a need for jokes right now,
06:37that is Pakistan-Tariq-e-Insaab.
06:39So, Pakistan-Tariq-e-Insaab is basically pushing to talk to us.
06:42And the second thing they are doing is
06:44that they are conditioning the demands of Pakistan-Tariq-e-Insaab.
06:50They are leaving the conditions.
06:52Right now, they are sitting at the table,
06:54and then the conversation will move forward.
06:56To a large extent, it is true that when you sit at the table,
06:59then to move forward on your demands, conditions,
07:02and negotiations, the conversation moves forward.
07:05I have a question for you, Mr. Chaudhary.
07:07Who needs negotiations right now?
07:09The government of the time or Pakistan-Tariq-e-Insaab?
07:12I will give my opinion in my opinion.
07:15Right now, the government of Pakistan needs negotiations.
07:19The biggest political party of Pakistan is on the streets.
07:22Their demands are wrong or right.
07:24They are on the streets.
07:26Because of which there is instability.
07:28Our message to the world is that
07:30there is instability in Pakistan right now.
07:32There is a fight.
07:33Investors are not coming.
07:34Mr. Chaudhary.
07:36No, the situation right now,
07:38there is no seriousness in it.
07:41For negotiations and to make the negotiations successful.
07:45And I have said this before,
07:48you feel bad that they will do another round.
07:52So, that is not appropriate.
07:54Today, the kind of things you are seeing on television,
07:58the news is coming on the programs.
08:01It makes you realize that
08:03you are not interested in negotiations,
08:06nor do you want any settlement.
08:08Nor do you think that this is your opinion.
08:10The government thinks that
08:12this is a big party.
08:14It has a mandate.
08:16It has 22 crore people.
08:18This is your opportunity.
08:20They are all thieves and terrorists.
08:22Their leader is the worst.
08:24He is a terrorist.
08:25They will have to be crushed.
08:27They will have to be tortured day and night.
08:29They will be announced that they have been hanged.
08:32So, let them do what they like.
08:34I don't think this will bring
08:36any political stability in this country.
08:38Or economic activity will be generated by these measures.
08:43It has been a year,
08:45almost 11 months.
08:47Whatever you have done,
08:51the country has not benefited from it.
08:53But you are adamant that
08:55we have to stay in power
08:57and we have to get rid of the country.
09:00So, you keep experimenting.
09:02I don't think they are interested
09:04in any kind of jokes.
09:06Hassan, I have an opinion.
09:08Mr. Naqib said that
09:10PTI needs jokes.
09:12But when it comes to the state,
09:14any party in the government
09:16has the responsibility to
09:18make the impression that
09:20it suits the government.
09:22It should be stable.
09:24It should be peaceful in the country.
09:26So, first tell us the story.
09:28Are there any jokes?
09:30Is there a break?
09:32You said that there is a break.
09:34There was a joke about Mian Sahab.
09:36The pressure is released.
09:38Is there a break or a break?
09:40Is there any kind of pressure?
09:42Mr. Chaudhary is saying
09:44that there are no talks.
09:46He is not serious about it.
09:48But I am aware that
09:50there will be talks.
09:52And the talks will be short.
09:54And apparently, the talks will be long.
09:56And the result will be bad.
09:58This is the information I have.
10:00The information that I have.
10:02It will be non-conditional.
10:04Yes, it will be non-conditional.
10:06It will be non-conditional.
10:08And there will be demands.
10:10Look, if it is said that
10:12PTI does not understand
10:14parliamentary politics,
10:16then this is not right.
10:18PTI also has the ability
10:20to come to the negotiation table
10:22and present its case.
10:24And on the other hand,
10:26your parties are
10:28very serious
10:30and mature parties.
10:32Khurshid Shah's committee
10:34in People's Party
10:36is also a very good forum.
10:38The government has mentioned
10:40that it is a good forum.
10:42It is a good platform
10:44where all political parties,
10:46including Jamia Ulama Islam,
10:48including Muslim League Nawaz,
10:50People's Party,
10:52and Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf
10:54can sit there.
10:56The question is,
10:58who will actually guarantee
11:00for them?
11:02The question is,
11:04who will actually guarantee
11:06for them?
11:08No, no.
11:22He is the advisor
11:24of the minister of law.
11:26He is the advisor
11:28of the minister of law.
11:30That's what I'm saying.
11:32Some people get confused.
11:34He is the advisor of the prime minister.
11:36He is not the advisor of the minister of law.
11:38He is the advisor of the law minister.
11:40He is the advisor of the minister of law.
11:42Article 90,91, collective responsibility,
11:44at the end of the day,
11:46everyone's opinion is the prime minister's opinion.
11:48So, what is the demand?
11:50So, what is the demand?
11:52I think,
11:54when you bring a Ben Halfi,
11:56when you bring a Ben Halfi,
11:58when you sit on the negotiating table,
12:00there will be no demand
12:02from the government.
12:04I would like to know,
12:06why did you play his sword
12:08when I already said that he is an illegal influencer.
12:10I would like to know, why did you play his sword
12:12when I already said that he is an illegal influencer.
12:14He is a prime minister.
12:16He is a prime minister.
12:18He is a prime minister.
12:20He has not to sit in the negotiations.
12:22There are a lot of senior people
12:24who will sit in the negotiations.
12:26And he is very energetic,
12:28very intelligent.
12:30He is a good person.
12:32I am talking about Maulana, Maulana is a common friend on both sides, he is also in touch with PTI.
12:39Maulana will also be included in this.
12:41Now the thing is, what you are seeing right now,
12:45see, engagement suits the government,
12:48and the weak wicket that Tariq-e-Ansar is playing on,
12:51the weak wicket that Tariq-e-Ansar is playing on,
12:54the weak wicket that Tariq-e-Ansar is playing on,
12:57the weak wicket that Tariq-e-Ansar is playing on,
13:00the weak wicket that Tariq-e-Ansar is playing on,
13:03the weak wicket that Tariq-e-Ansar is playing on,
13:06the weak wicket that Tariq-e-Ansar is playing on,
13:09the weak wicket that Tariq-e-Ansar is playing on,
13:12the weak wicket that Tariq-e-Ansar is playing on,
13:15the weak wicket that Tariq-e-Ansar is playing on,
13:18the weak wicket that Tariq-e-Ansar is playing on,
13:21Have you heard Barista Aqeel's statement?
13:24Or did you miss a line?
13:26No, but I know what he said.
13:28No, no, let him repeat it.
13:30Ok, thank you.
13:32The question is, who will actually guarantee for them?
13:35Can you get a statement from Adiala Jail
13:38that whoever decides in this discussion,
13:41will be accepted and followed?
13:44Will you or your government,
13:47sorry, your party members,
13:50can you give such a guarantee to the government?
13:53Mr. Naqvi, your friend is asking this question,
13:56Mr. Tariq-e-Ansar,
13:59that if you have so much mistrust on us,
14:02then call Adiala Jail,
14:05or use an international phone,
14:08and involve them in the discussion,
14:11and move the matter forward. Mr. Naqvi.
14:14Look, if Mr. Adiala wants to joke on the telephone line,
14:17then the joking committee,
14:20made by Mr. Tariq-e-Ansar,
14:23So, the government is saying,
14:26to get an affidavit from them.
14:29No, the government is not saying this,
14:32Barista Aqeel is saying this.
14:35Barista Aqeel's statement is quite immature,
14:38because when it comes to jokes,
14:41you said a very good thing,
14:44that jokes are needed in the telephone lines,
14:47which you can call grand dialogues,
14:50or a conference, or anything.
14:53So, to get an affidavit from Adiala,
14:56is immature,
14:59I am saying this because it is immature,
15:02that when Imran Khan himself has made a committee,
15:05and when the joking decisions will come,
15:08and if it is not followed, then Imran Khan himself will be responsible,
15:11So, Barista Aqeel should not do it from the government's platform,
15:14there should be negotiations,
15:17the state of Pakistan has no other opinion,
15:20that there is a need for negotiations,
15:23so that all political parties can sit at a table,
15:26and know how to move forward.
15:29I think there is a heat of the moment,
15:32with Shaukat Yusufzai,
15:35I did not see him on the program,
15:38I know that Tehreek-e-Insaaf has talked about a civil disobedience,
15:41Mr. Chaudhary, listen to his statement, then I will come to a comment from you.
15:44And the call for civil disobedience is standing in its place,
15:47on the same date as it was earlier?
15:50Sir, that date has gone ahead,
15:53it was on the 13th,
15:56now it is on the 15th,
15:59that day is Sunday,
16:02obviously after that it will be continued,
16:05we will wait for 15 days,
16:08then we will announce it,
16:11after 15 days the leadership will do it,
16:14they have already announced that the first phase is about restrictions,
16:17then they will tell us the procedure,
16:20on 16th, 17th, whatever it is.
16:23Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Sain,
16:26we spoke yesterday,
16:29now they are saying that if the issues go ahead with the government,
16:32is there any doubt that there is no seriousness,
16:35especially from the government?
16:38Now I feel like the people of Tehreek-e-Insaaf have met today,
16:41they are hoping that the issues will go ahead.
16:44Mr. Chaudhary.
16:47Till now there is one thing,
16:50one is confidence building,
16:53one is conducive conditions,
16:56one is the will to come to some negotiated settlement,
16:59which happens all over the world,
17:02even during wars,
17:05so these are the people of their country,
17:08whether they say yes or no,
17:11so till now I have not seen any seriousness,
17:14from the leaders,
17:17otherwise the children,
17:20even if they are given 15-15 days,
17:23if they are humiliated like this,
17:26they will understand that we are fine,
17:29and we are also fine,
17:32and they have no other opinion,
17:35and when I see,
17:38first of all I will inform you,
17:41that today this departure has happened,
17:44today the government has released such and such people on the basis of human compassion,
17:47so that the temperature in the country goes down a little,
17:50but there is no such thing.
17:53Mr. Nadeem, what is your opinion on this?
17:56I want to give my personal opinion.
17:59Is this a news or an opinion?
18:02No, I am expressing my emotions, this is not a news.
18:05I want such people, especially women,
18:08who are older,
18:11Dr. Yasmeen Dash,
18:14she is a cancer survivor,
18:17they should be released.
18:20She has a role in No May,
18:23but even then,
18:26when a person is capable of tolerating a sentence or imprisonment,
18:29only when he is healthy can he be imprisoned,
18:32if he is not healthy, he should be released.
18:35Mr. Nadeem, this obvious issue that is going on in front of you,
18:38today another important case was heard by the Supreme Court,
18:41whether civilians can be trialled in the military courts or not.
18:44A hearing was held,
18:47a case was brought before the Supreme Court,
18:50and a decision was also made,
18:53the Supreme Court heard the case of civilians being trialled in the military courts.
18:56First of all, give evidence on this,
18:59that the removal of the army act is in accordance with the law,
19:02Justice Jamal Mandokhil,
19:05can every person be brought in this category by amending the army act,
19:08he also raised this question.
19:11What are the reasons for the removal of the army act in the judicial decision,
19:14keep in mind that the army act was made before 1973,
19:17Justice Mandokhil.
19:20For now, the case in front of us,
19:23is only about the core commander house,
19:26Justice Muhammad Ali Mazar,
19:29the case has to be kept only up to the core commander house,
19:32Justice Muhammad Ali Mazar raised this question.
19:35All the details have been collected this morning,
19:38Additional Attorney General said to the court,
19:41I will collect all the details through the request of the court.
19:44What will be the trial according to the cases,
19:47which were declared to be illegal,
19:50Justice Musarrat Halali raised this question.
19:53Before 9th May, someone must have been punished according to these cases,
19:56Justice Musarrat Halali.
19:59Generally, before the case is declared illegal,
20:02the decision on the case is preserved.
20:05This was informed by the State Councilor, Khawaja Kharif.
20:08This is a matter of concern for the accused.
20:11Justice Musarrat Halali commented on this.
20:14In the appeal, the court will only be limited to the appeal of Kununda.
20:17Justice Mandokhil raised this question.
20:20Can the court's decision be reviewed from other aspects?
20:23Justice Mandokhil,
20:26the two parties can be limited to their objections.
20:29The head of the court,
20:32Justice Ameenuddin Khan,
20:35gave permission to the bench
20:38to transfer the accused to civilian courts.
20:41After the punishment,
20:44the accused can be transferred to other courts.
20:47Out of 103,
20:5020 people were released.
20:532 more people are included.
20:5685 people are under arrest.
20:59He informed the court.
21:02Justice Ameenuddin Khan,
21:05gave permission to the bench
21:08to transfer the accused to civilian courts.
21:11After the punishment,
21:14the accused can be transferred to other courts.
21:17Justice Ameenuddin Khan,
21:20gave permission to the bench
21:23to transfer the accused to civilian courts.
21:26The case was closed on the first week.
21:29We will hear the case of 26th January.
21:32We have many cases in the pipeline.
21:35We have many cases in the pipeline.
21:38The accused can be transferred to jail.
21:41The accused can be transferred to jail.
21:44The Supreme Court will decide.
21:47The accused can be released.
21:50The Supreme Court will decide.
21:53We will discuss this.
21:56We will discuss this.
21:59We will discuss this.
22:06Welcome back.
22:09Hassan,
22:12tell me the legal point.
22:15You can announce the verdict.
22:18You can announce the verdict.
22:21But,
22:24all the decisions will be rejected.
22:27But, all the decisions will be rejected.
22:34If the court doesn't restore 2D,
22:37If the court doesn't restore 2D,
22:40the civilians will not be able to be tried.
22:43the civilians will not be able to be tried.
22:46they will be reversed.
22:49will be that the decision made by the military will be reversed.
22:53But the point is that the decision made by the Constitutional Bench of the Supreme Court
22:59is based on consent.
23:02The families of the people who have gone to the military courts,
23:09like Hafizullah Niazi Sahib,
23:11he also said at the last hearing that you can punish them,
23:15you can do whatever you want.
23:17So you dispose of this matter.
23:20At least if there will be a punishment,
23:22then they will go to the jails to serve their sentence.
23:25So there is no military intervention there.
23:27They can meet in the routine.
23:29One more thing is that when the decision will be made,
23:31then they will challenge their cases in the military courts, in the common courts.
23:34No, they can challenge.
23:36In this, they can challenge in the High Court.
23:39But when the decision of the Supreme Court will come,
23:43i.e. in reference to 2D,
23:45the decision will be made by the High Court.
23:48But there is a very good thing in this.
23:50The good thing is that the trials in the military courts cannot be done.
23:56It has been done in the past.
23:58And you know that the FBLE case is also there.
24:00It also checked all these things.
24:03And you know that in Article 8,
24:07it is said that when there is an issue related to the army,
24:11you cannot strike down the fundamental rights of the army.
24:17So the same thing has to be decided again.
24:20Because the first decision that came,
24:22which was the bench of Mr. Jadhul Hassan,
24:24according to me, he could not have given that decision.
24:26Okay, one thing is right,
24:28that at least the people who were incommunicado,
24:32i.e. there was no contact with them,
24:34they complained that we are not meeting,
24:36whatever punishment you have to give,
24:39I think it was a good decision.
24:41I have also spoken to a few lawyers.
24:43At least the matter is moving forward.
24:46The rest is that Mr. Chaudhary often says that
24:48those who eat carrots, do not appear.
24:50That is, if someone has done something,
24:52then if someone thinks that the punishment has been wrong,
24:55then there is the Supreme Court ahead.
24:57Now let's go to Mr. Naveed.
24:59What you are saying is absolutely right.
25:01At least there was a way out.
25:03Now this way will take you somewhere.
25:05But let's look at it in a broad spectrum.
25:08Because whenever it comes to the military,
25:10the radars stand up.
25:12Some people criticize the military as a fashion,
25:15and some people stand with the military as their subordinate.
25:18The thing is that when you talk about military courts,
25:21so now you tell me,
25:23are there no customs courts in Pakistan?
25:26Are there no Shariah courts in Pakistan?
25:29If there is any case of smuggling in the customs,
25:31then it is not that only the importer
25:33or the clearing agent is held responsible,
25:35but all those people who are involved in it,
25:37all of them are held responsible and punished.
25:40So is there no military authority
25:42when there are custom courts on which there is no objection?
25:45There are Shariah courts on which there is no objection.
25:47So why are there objections in military courts?
25:49The military courts, as Mr. Ahsan talked about in Article 8,
25:52that if it is an attack on any state property
25:55that has to do with the army,
25:57then its case will not go to the military courts.
26:00So when it comes to military courts,
26:02then why do we start criticizing so much?
26:05We have never criticized such other courts.
26:07The second aspect of this is that
26:09when you talk about civilian courts,
26:11and you say that when you start counting everything on civilian courts,
26:15then are these not those civilian courts
26:17who later asked a minister for forgiveness?
26:20Are these not those civilian courts
26:22who sent two ministers home and later repented?
26:24Are these not those civilian courts
26:26who misinterpreted Article 62-63?
26:28Are these not those civilian courts
26:30which could have changed the fate of Pakistan?
26:33And on top of that, they gave such a decision
26:35that Pakistan, which was moving forward, stopped there.
26:37So we have to look at the role of civilian courts.
26:39Yes.
26:40Viewers, the question is,
26:42to what extent does a civilian get engaged?
26:45Because every court, every institution has its own discipline.
26:48The Supreme Court is discussing the same.
26:51Mr. Chaudhary, today, on behalf of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
26:54a criminal complaint has been filed.
26:57It has been filed in the District and Session Court in Islamabad.
27:01The chairman of PTI, Mr. Barrister Gohar,
27:04has filed this complaint.
27:06And in the complaint, he has said that
27:09the Prime Minister has filed a case against the Interior Minister and the Defence Minister.
27:13IG Islamabad, DIG Operations, SSP, Security,
27:18they have also been included in the request.
27:21In the PTI request, they have also issued a list of the missing persons.
27:28And now they want the court to intervene on this matter.
27:34You know that this sad incident of 26 people
27:39was not fired on Jinnah Avenue.
27:45You know that a debate is being held on this.
27:48Now, it is not clear that the Deputy Prime Minister has given a statement.
27:53Now, the PTI people are saying that we were saying this,
27:56and now they themselves are agreeing.
27:58Did he listen to what he said?
28:00According to the briefing given to the government,
28:02there was definitely air firing.
28:04Because there was no light in that area. I was not there.
28:07He said that the air firing has happened somewhere in the past.
28:09Now, of course, one thing is his thing.
28:11But in addition to this, he also said that
28:13if anyone is ready to give evidence,
28:15Senator Afnan of Pakistan Muslim League Noon,
28:17he is also saying something.
28:19Listen to him too.
28:21You say that air firing has happened.
28:23Tell me how many MNA, how many MPA,
28:25how many senators, how many ministers,
28:28how many people were shot by you?
28:30All of you were there that day.
28:32All of you are there.
28:34You have so much pain.
28:36I am sure you will all be there.
28:38But the sad thing is that you are selling the blood of poor people.
28:43You are that poor worker.
28:45Sir, I am a political worker myself.
28:47Sir, I am myself.
28:49I am very proud of this.
28:51I have a lot of pain for those poor children,
28:53the way they were shot.
28:57Now, I am sorry for the children who were shot.
29:00Now, the problem is that
29:02our first opinion is that
29:04whatever the facts are, they should come forward.
29:08Mr. Chaudhary, what do you think about this?
29:11Mr. Chaudhary, what do you think about this?
29:13Judicial inquiry is being demanded by Pakistan.
29:17Deputy Prime Minister said yesterday that
29:19we can investigate this.
29:21Mr. Chaudhary, can you hear me?
29:25No, no.
29:27He has gone to the court and
29:29he has given a list.
29:31And this is a very scary list.
29:33And this is not complete.
29:35They are still getting more data.
29:37I helped you the other day.
29:39They say that they don't want to jump to a conclusion.
29:43We will find out that
29:45the people who did not reach their homes
29:47are in jail, police station, hospital.
29:49They are in a jungle.
29:51Where are they?
29:53So, they have entered their case today.
29:57This is a legal battle now.
29:59So, I think this is the right step in the right direction.
30:05Hassan, this is a right course of action.
30:07If they have a complaint,
30:09we have filed a complaint.
30:11Do you want to file a complaint?
30:13If someone has lost his life,
30:15we have to provide evidence.
30:17Is the court ready to provide
30:19evidence as a video?
30:21Is it acceptable?
30:23In 9th May, we saw that
30:25Mr. Afridi and other women
30:27were saying that
30:29they want to go to GHQ etc.
30:31But still, the courts
30:33did not consider their words
30:35and videos as evidence.
30:37They have given them bail.
30:39They have been acquitted.
30:41So, I say that
30:43a video has been made
30:45through night vision cameras.
30:47The lights were off.
30:49If a video has been made
30:51through night vision cameras,
30:53will it be considered as evidence
30:55in the Supreme Court's judgment?
30:57No, you are right.
30:59I am saying that
31:01instead of sitting and
31:03talking to the media,
31:05the court should investigate it.
31:07The court is a relevant forum
31:09where it can be examined.
31:11The court has to see
31:13the evidence and evidence.
31:15But I am talking in general.
31:17The accused in 9th May,
31:19what did they get out of it?
31:21They got out of it
31:23the video of Arshad Malik
31:25in which Asif Syed Khosrow
31:27used the video as evidence
31:29in the Supreme Court's judgment.
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35:13For the past few weeks,
35:15from the day the 26th amendment
35:17was passed onward,
35:19the matter of Madras registration
35:21was promised to Maulana Fazl Rahman
35:23and the bill was passed.
35:25The President of Pakistan
35:27was not signing on the bill.
35:29Later, the Jama'at ulama
35:31came to know that they have been
35:33backstabbed.
35:35Then they were told that
35:37the President of Pakistan
35:39has raised objections.
35:41Now, our objection
35:43is with the President of Pakistan.
35:45The objections raised by the President of Pakistan
35:47are in front of you,
35:49which have become public.
35:51The details of the objections
35:53raised by the President of the country
35:55on the Madras Registration Bill
35:57are as follows.
35:59The President of the country has raised
36:01eight objections on the Asaf Zardarian Society
36:03Registration Act.
36:05Number one,
36:07the Madrasa Education Board
36:09is a major objection.
36:11Islamabad Capital Territory Trust
36:13Act 2020 is also present.
36:15Still, how did you need a new act?
36:17This was also raised.
36:19The Madras can also be used
36:21apart from education
36:23by registering the Society Act.
36:25This is also another objection.
36:27The President of the country said
36:29that the registration will pose a threat
36:31to the spread of sectarianism.
36:33FATF and other international institutions
36:35can bring changes in their opinions
36:37The President of the country
36:39also included this objection in his objections.
36:41In the Society Registration Act
36:431860, religious education
36:45is not included.
36:47The President of the country.
36:49In the Society Registration Act
36:511860, fine arts education is included.
36:53The President of the country.
36:55In the Society Registration Act,
36:57religious education and fine arts
36:59are included.
37:01This was also raised by the President of the country.
37:03The registration of Madras
37:05can reduce the grip of the law.
37:07The law will be less
37:09and freedom of expression will be more.
37:11The President of the country,
37:13Asif Zardari, raised this objection.
37:15The bill on Madras should be kept
37:17in view of international law.
37:19The Majabza bill is a threat
37:21to international law.
37:23Mr. Naqvi's grade.
37:25Now tell me
37:27that the objections are very valid.
37:29We know.
37:31All things are visible.
37:33We have been covering this issue
37:35for the past 20-22 years.
37:37Since the time of Jalal-e-Masharraf,
37:39everyone has agreed.
37:41You know, the model Madrasa
37:43reforms have also come forward.
37:45Mr. Maulana,
37:47in the presence of all these objections,
37:49in the presence of a full law ministry,
37:51in the presence of a full parliament,
37:53the bill passes and leaves.
37:55At that time, Maulana had to be satisfied.
37:57At the same time, tell him that
37:59this is not possible.
38:01Maulana is saying that
38:03all objections are valid.
38:05Maulana is saying that
38:07why have you done this injustice to us?
38:09If you want to fix this responsibility,
38:11then with whom will you put it?
38:13He is saying that
38:15our complaint is with our friend
38:17Asif Zardari.
38:19The President of Pakistan
38:21has done injustice to us.
38:23Pakistan is a very sensitive state.
38:25I would like to request
38:27both Maulana and the President of Pakistan
38:29that these religious matters
38:31should not be discussed in public.
38:33Because when debates start on them,
38:35then it gives rise to
38:37disagreement and controversy.
38:39You both sit down and solve this matter
38:41immediately.
38:43Instead of the whole of Pakistan
38:45starting a debate on this case,
38:47some people talk in favor of it,
38:49some people talk against it,
38:51some people from other Madrasas
38:53come and talk in their own way.
38:55The more it spreads,
38:57the more it spreads,
38:59the more it spreads,
39:01the more it spreads,
39:03the more it spreads,
39:05the more it spreads,
39:07the more it spreads,
39:09the more it spreads,
39:11the more it spreads,
39:13the more it spreads,
39:15the more it spreads,
39:17the more it spreads,
39:19the more it spreads,
39:21the more it spreads,
39:23the more it spreads,
39:25In that, what Maulana said,
39:27he said that,
39:29there were long
39:31debates on this matter
39:33and we convinced them.
39:35So, was Maulana convinced
39:37and Bilawal was convinced?
39:39Is there such a reality or not?
39:41These things are old now.
39:43Maulana has said it himself.
39:45What is my status now?
39:47Absolutely right.
39:49Chaudhary, obviously,
39:51politics is being played on this.
39:53Mr. Chaudhary, I don't know
39:55what you ate and drank from Europe
39:57and today you are saying good things.
39:59Today, they are not even fighting with us.
40:01The matter is very simple.
40:03It is a very sensitive issue.
40:05Obviously, in Pakistan,
40:07when politics is being played
40:09on things related to religion,
40:11Maulana Tahir Hashmi
40:13is saying that,
40:15if you have so many students,
40:17we also have students,
40:19so you should not do politics.
40:21So, what do you think?
40:23I think Maulana and Mr. Zardari
40:25will resolve the matter.
40:27I agree with the fact that
40:29Maulana Tahir Hashmi
40:31is convinced by the Pakistan People's Party.
40:33You have seen,
40:35the President of Pakistan
40:37went to Bilawal and he was convinced.
40:39Mr. Chaudhary.
40:41I don't have any
40:43solid objections.
40:45First of all, you tell me
40:47that such a big law ministry
40:49was blindfolded.
40:51They didn't know that
40:53such a big law was already in place.
40:57You said that the first objection
40:59is very heavy.
41:01There are thousands of tons of
41:03iron in that objection.
41:05Tell me about it first.
41:07When it was there,
41:09it was already a law.
41:11So, today you are objecting
41:13that if it was there,
41:15then why did they do it?
41:17What kind of objections are these?
41:19You should listen to Maulana.
41:21When he said that
41:23you passed the bill,
41:25then it should have been
41:27made a law.
41:29If you were right at that time,
41:31then how are you doing it wrong now?
41:33If you are doing it right today,
41:35then why did you do it wrong that day?