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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum and good evening, I am Meher Bukhari.
00:27I am Meher Bukhari and today we are going to talk about the conspiracy of the rich,
00:32the murder of the court, the inauguration of the government, the coronation of the Prime
00:37Minister, the deals and the expansion of the employment period.
00:40Almost all the political doors have gone through many such events, where the characters
00:44were known and the incidents too.
00:46But the reality is that the hands placed on the Quran, after reading the Kalima,
00:50the proof of their purity and the oaths of the parents are the acquisition of the human
00:54hand.
00:55The name of the person who did all this has never reached the character.
00:59The other day, senior journalist Mujibur Rahman Shaimi made a big discovery.
01:03It was the wedding of General Rahimuddin's grandson, in which the former Army Chief
01:07General Qamar Javed Bajwa came.
01:09According to Mr. Shaimi, we sat together, the conversation began, and he complained
01:13about the newspapers and newspapers that published different things about his period of power
01:17and the period of collapse.
01:19During the meeting, General Retired Bajwa said three things that are of great importance.
01:25The Holy Quran was in his pocket.
01:27Mujibur Rahman Shaimi said that General Bajwa took out the Holy Quran from his pocket and
01:31took an oath on it.
01:33And said that if I make a wrong statement, then I will not get the intercession of the
01:37Messenger of Allah.
01:38Then he took an oath of his mother's grave.
01:41And said that he had no role in sending Nawaz Sharif from Lahore to London due to
01:45health problems.
01:46General Bajwa said that I did not send him, and I blame myself for this.
01:51General Bajwa also said that this allegation was made that he conspired with the United
01:55States and brought down the PTI government.
01:57I also strongly object to this.
02:00Mr. Tariq-e-Insaf's government was not brought down by the United States.
02:03General Bajwa took an oath and said that he did not express any desire for extension
02:09during his tenure, nor did he demand it from anyone.
02:14He did not even try for it, nor did he force anyone.
02:18This is a false allegation.
02:20It is not surprising that General Bajwa took such a big oath and often denied all
02:25non-political matters related to him.
02:28It is surprising that during General Bajwa's six-year tenure, there are many
02:33turns that are very difficult to deny.
02:36It is even more difficult to negate the role from these incidents.
02:40On the one hand, this matter is that on the matter of General Musharraf, General
02:44Kamar Bajwa did not follow the path of justice and law.
02:47Instead, he adopted the thought of governance.
02:49But standing on the edge of history, such a former leader of Pakistan is proving his
02:54purity that two former prime ministers of the past have equally expressed their reservations
02:59and reservations.
03:00Mr. Nawaz Sharif has openly accused General Kamar Javed Bajwa of breaking ties to
03:05take over his government and to bring Imran Khan's government to power.
03:10He directly addressed General Bajwa by taking his name and said that he got our
03:15well-running government to leave.
03:17General Bajwa sahib, you have to answer.
03:40You have to answer.
04:10He was absolutely fine.
04:13He has no such problem.
04:15Why did you send him out?
04:17At that time, his reports were managed in this way.
04:20I understand that his reports were managed.
04:23But do you think something happened?
04:26Definitely, there was a disparity between the reports and the behavior.
04:31What more can I say?
04:34There was a disparity between the reports and the behavior.
04:38What more can I say?
04:41The senior leaders of Mr. Mian's own Jamaat also admitted this.
04:45That is, whoever was sent, their own Jamaat also admitted that Mr. Mian was not sent
04:50by London Tehreek-e-Insaab, but by the establishment.
04:54You sent him out as well, right?
04:56Which convict first went to Pakistan?
04:58He didn't send him.
04:59The establishment sent him.
05:01He went through a court order.
05:03He went through a court order.
05:05But he was given treatment.
05:08This is also the miracle of the six-year period.
05:11There are two types of versions behind the movement of the country's first successful
05:16non-confidentiality.
05:18The first version is that of the coalition partners.
05:22They say, we definitely asked what to do.
05:26We were set free in our decisions.
05:29So we left Imran Khan's government.
05:31And the second version is that according to Munis Ilahi, the former Chief General
05:36Qamar Javed Bajwa advised his Jamaat to support Tehreek-e-Insaab in Kashm-e-Kashm,
05:40which continued for a week.
05:42Which ended in April after Imran Khan was removed from the post of Prime Minister
05:45through a vote of non-confidence.
05:47In our program, what did Munis Ilahi discover?
05:50Staying in Tehreek-e-Insaab, vote in favor of Imran Khan.
05:55Take a look.
05:57If that man was bad, he would never have told me to go with Imran Khan.
06:02General Bajwa told you to go with Imran Khan?
06:05At the time of the decision, we had to decide whether to go there or here.
06:10Vote of no confidence.
06:11Both parties were ready.
06:13There was an offer from PTI and also from Mian Sabaan, PDM.
06:18Then he said, my wish is that you go here.
06:22So, the character was like this.
06:25Some were left free in their decisions, some were shown the way.
06:28But during the service of the army commanders,
06:30our politicians have a lot of clarity on the matter of Tossi.
06:35They have kept confessing twice that Tossi is not given,
06:38it is asked and taken.
06:42Sir, when your government gave a sanction to General Kayani,
06:46Mian Nawaz Sharif came on record and said that it was wrong.
06:49Today, you are in that position. What is your stance on this?
06:52First of all, it depends on General Raheel Sharif,
06:55what decision he makes.
06:58I have no right to say it now.
07:02Sir, this is not the decision of the Chief Executive.
07:05No, I say that he will make the decision of taking the extension.
07:08If the offer is made, then we will take it.
07:10Or if it was asked in your time, then you gave it.
07:13It was asked from us and we gave it.
07:15The difference is that this time, if it was asked,
07:18because General Bajwa is contesting,
07:20if it was asked, then Mr. Mian took the stand.
07:23He did not give it.
07:24But he did not ask for it, Mr. Bajwa says.
07:27It is an important matter.
07:28He is refuting General Bajwa's Tossi that he did not ask for it.
07:31Viewers, on 27th March, 2023,
07:33Senator Irfan Siddiqui claimed in his statement
07:36that in November, 2022, the Army Chief of that time,
07:39before his retirement,
07:41the Army Chief of that time,
07:43before his retirement,
07:44in his term of office,
07:45again asked for Tossi.
07:47On this request,
07:48a message was also sent to Mian Nawaz Sharif.
07:50However, Nawaz Sharif refused to give him Tossi.
07:53Not only this,
07:54the former Governor, Mohammad Zubair,
07:56about General Bajwa's Tossi,
07:58what intense aspiration and desire
08:01does he give reference to?
08:03And he was giving it today.
08:04Have a look.
08:06Imran Khan said in an interview,
08:08after vote of no confidence,
08:10that when we came to know that
08:12Noon League has committed him for extension,
08:14we said that we will also give it to you.
08:16Both things were true.
08:17Both the parties had committed that we will give it to you.
08:20After that, when PM LN came to power,
08:22he started to waver
08:24that this will not be right.
08:26But till the end,
08:27till the very end,
08:28November of 2022,
08:30he was trying his very best
08:32to seek extension.
08:34Did PM LN give this green signal to Mian Nawaz Sharif
08:37that we will give you extension?
08:38I think no one could have given it other than him.
08:43Third,
08:44another political figure of General Bajwa's 6-year term,
08:47against Imran Khan,
08:48there was vote of no confidence.
08:50About which,
08:51Maulana Fazlur Rehman,
08:52today,
08:53explains something like this.
08:56He was in complete contact
08:58and in his presence,
09:00everyone was called.
09:01And in front of everyone,
09:02he was told that
09:03you have done this and that.
09:06Who were they all?
09:07All parties.
09:08Non-League and Vipass Party.
09:09All parties.
09:10Don't take their names.
09:11And who told them to do this?
09:12All parties.
09:13Who told them to do this?
09:14Bajwa sahib and Faiz Amir sahib both.
09:16What did they say?
09:17They said what you have to do,
09:18how to do it,
09:19what to do.
09:20About no confidence.
09:21Both of them.
09:22And everyone said yes to it.
09:23Then it should be said that
09:24the move was from there.
09:26Non-League and Vipass Party
09:27only put a seal.
09:28Put a seal.
09:30Well,
09:31these are matters related to our politics.
09:33These are important matters.
09:34Where,
09:35only by taking a step,
09:36the wings are lit.
09:37So either Bajwa sahib is right
09:39or you and Tariq are talking nonsense.
09:42But the fact remains,
09:43everyone has their own truth in this country.
09:46And if,
09:47they say, you know,
09:48the first casualty in war is the truth.
09:50It feels that in our country,
09:52the biggest casualty is in fact the truth.
09:54But as long as we don't work on the
09:56style of the infamous
09:572-2 led commission of Africa,
09:59don't take the lead,
10:01everyone in this country
10:02will have their own truth.
10:04And the past will dictate our state.
10:07Like it is doing today.
10:09Ladies and gentlemen,
10:10there are rumours about
10:11the release of prisoner no.804
10:12in the next few days.
10:14There is a big setback
10:15in the elections.
10:16There is an uproar
10:17that is going to start
10:18directly with the name.
10:19And the deal is going on
10:20in the context of politics
10:21at the same time.
10:24As they say,
10:25there are some surprises
10:26and some are visible.
10:27That is indeed very true.
10:29Former Prime Minister Imran Khan
10:30was once again addressed
10:31by the media in Adiyala Jail.
10:33Imran Khan spoke openly
10:34about the three important issues
10:35related to politics,
10:36the deal, the role of the judiciary
10:37and the economy.
10:39Imran Khan said,
10:40no one spoke to me
10:41about the deal
10:42and no message came.
10:43The question is,
10:44what will they deal with me
10:45about?
10:48On 8th February,
10:49when the public stood
10:50on one side,
10:51according to Imran Khan,
10:52that was the time
10:53to speak.
10:54If the people stand on one side,
10:55can anyone win?
10:58Outside Adiyala Jail,
10:59Chairman Tehreek-e-Insaf
11:00Barrister Gohar Khan
11:01has also confirmed
11:02that no negotiations
11:03are taking place
11:04and no one
11:05has been offered
11:06to negotiate.
11:07We have completely denied
11:08that we have received
11:09no message
11:10and neither has
11:11Mr. Khan received
11:12any message.
11:13So, no such negotiations
11:14are going to take place
11:15and no negotiations
11:16have taken place.
11:17In a large number,
11:18the government has said
11:19that the removal
11:20of Mr. Tehreek-e-Insaf
11:21from the ECL
11:22in response to a question
11:23regarding the removal
11:24of Mr. Tehreek-e-Insaf
11:25from the ECL
11:26in response to a question
11:27regarding the removal
11:28of Mr. Tehreek-e-Insaf
11:29from the ECL
11:30is not the result
11:31of any deal.
11:32The rules and regulations
11:33of the ECL are there.
11:34According to the rules
11:35and regulations,
11:36there is no effect
11:37of any deal
11:38or God forbid,
11:39there is no backdoor
11:40through the channel.
11:41Whatever comes from
11:42the interior division,
11:43according to the rules
11:44and regulations,
11:45it is accepted.
11:46An interesting fact
11:47is that Mr. Imran Khan
11:48is announcing
11:49that there will be
11:50no deal offer
11:51but after today's hearing,
11:52while discussing
11:53with the media
11:54in the judicial complex,
11:55Aleema Khan said
11:56that Imran Khan
11:57has been demanded
11:58many times
11:59that he should leave
12:00the jail
12:01so that his case can end
12:02and so on.
12:03He did not want
12:04to accept any deal
12:05like that.
12:06As far as Imran Khan
12:07is concerned,
12:08he has been demanded
12:09many times
12:10that he should leave
12:11the jail
12:12so that his case
12:13and his jail
12:14can end.
12:15He is not willing
12:16to accept
12:17any deal
12:18like that.
12:19As far as
12:20Imran Khan
12:21is concerned,
12:22he is responsible
12:23for his own cases
12:24and he will be buried
12:25one by one
12:26and how long
12:27he will be judged
12:28The second issue is that Imran Khan is not ready to compromise and it is not possible to negotiate without a compromise.
12:35Before 9th May, Imran Khan used to say in his speech that he is ready to talk to the army chief for the betterment of the country.
12:42But if no one is ready to talk, then what should they do?
12:45On the other hand, two answers were given.
12:48Army Chief General Asim Munir, while talking to the business community in Karachi,
12:52made it clear that he will not interfere in political matters.
12:55Army Chief General Asim Munir also said that former Prime Minister Imran Khan had expressed his desire to meet him, as was reported,
13:02and sent a message.
13:03But my answer was that as an army chief, what is my job to meet politicians?
13:08After 9th May, there has been an increase of 100 times in this region.
13:12Imran Khan went behind bars and the doors of talks were closed.
13:20According to Chairman Tariq-e-Insaab Barrister Gohar, the media was kept behind bars.
13:27New windows were installed, the walls were raised, shades were installed, the doors were locked.
13:33The media could not hear a word.
13:35According to Barrister Gohar, the journalists in the court did not hear a word.
13:39The media representatives said that they were asking us what the proceedings were.
13:43Ladies and gentlemen, in these circumstances, how much room is there for negotiations?
13:46God knows.
13:47But the second important point of Imran Khan's talks in Diyala Jail was about justice.
13:51Where once again Imran Khan has cheated justice.
13:54Imran Khan says that people's trust in justice has begun to rise.
13:58The election of his public representatives is a fundamental right that has been snatched from the public.
14:03My wife has nothing to do with politics, but she has been punished and locked in a room.
14:08Cases were filed against all three of my sisters.
14:11Maryam Nawaz and Benazir Bhutto were politicians, but my wife has nothing to do with politics.
14:16Regarding the Zimni election, Imran Khan said that the police intervened in the Zimni election of Punjab.
14:21The Zimni election of Punjab has been fought by the police.
14:23There were elections in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa as well, but according to Imran Khan, the police did not file an FIR anywhere.
14:29Nor did they investigate.
14:30He says that there is no democracy in the country.
14:32They have been scared since February 8.
14:35Elections were held from October to February to crush the PTI.
14:39Our petition was not heard in the Supreme Court because it was also waiting for the PTI to be crushed.
14:45So he very categorically again charge-sheeted the Superior Judiciary once again.
14:49He said that every step was taken to destroy the PTI.
14:54The election of Punjab was already planned.
14:56And the boxes had already been filled in the Zimni election.
15:00On the other hand, Imran Khan and his wife, Bushra Bibi, were fined £190 million in the Adiyala Jail of Awalpindi.
15:06And during the hearing, six witnesses' statements were closed and two witnesses were fined.
15:11So this £190 million case has entered the final stage.
15:16The decision on the Cipher case is expected this week.
15:18But Aleema Khan is expressing her fear that Imran Khan will not be able to come out.
15:24She has already been acquitted in these cases.
15:27So Al-Qadir will be arrested in the case.
15:31Imran Khan is not hopeful at all.
15:34Because he thinks that Al-Qadir is being released.
15:37So one case will be closed and Al-Qadir will be arrested in the second case.
15:45On the other hand, the senior leadership of Tariq-e-Insaf is hoping that Bani PTI will not compromise.
15:50But they will be released by the end of this month.
15:55So when are you going to see Imran Khan?
15:57Very soon, Inshallah.
15:58What do you mean by very soon?
15:59Inshallah, he will be released in April.
16:01Will he be released this month?
16:02Inshallah.
16:03I am hopeful that Imran Khan will be released soon.
16:06Because there is no basis in this case.
16:09It is on a very weak footing.
16:11And this is true indeed that politics is not a closed street.
16:14There is always room for negotiations.
16:16All political stakeholders, including Sadr Zardari, are now in favor of negotiations with Tariq-e-Insaf.
16:21Are negotiations possible?
16:22But we will have to take a step back.
16:24Is the Jamaat ready for this?
16:26Senior journalist Atar Kazmi is with us.
16:28Rana Amir Ilyas will also be with us.
16:31Thank you both very much.
16:32Atar Kazmi, thank you very much indeed for joining us.
16:34Our past is connected to the present.
16:36And it seems to be dictating everything that is going on.
16:39How did you find the interpretations of Mr. Bajwa?
16:43Look, the first thing is that when someone is in a seat in Pakistan, no one sees anything.
16:48As soon as he leaves office, all these things start to be seen by the political parties.
16:53And unfortunately, the media also starts to see a lot.
16:56These are the same Mr. Bajwa who was given an extension by the Noon League itself.
17:00If today, Mr. Zubair himself is saying that Mr. Bajwa did this and that,
17:04then who did Mr. Zubair meet in GHQ at that time?
17:07At that time, no one had any issue with Mr. Bajwa.
17:10No, at that time, Ms. Mariam wanted an understanding.
17:13She wanted things to thaw out.
17:14Do you remember, there was a lot of stress at that time.
17:16So I am very privy to the fact of the record.
17:19I was one of the first people who knew that he was going to meet.
17:22And this was the message that I am defending my father.
17:25We need to sort this out.
17:26Exactly.
17:27So what I am trying to say is that at that time, no one was seeing anything wrong.
17:30When there was nothing of their own,
17:32I am not saying that there was no role of the army or the establishment.
17:36This is a story of 70-75 years.
17:38But what was the role of all those characters who are now pointing swords at General Bajwa?
17:44They have much to answer.
17:47What were you doing?
17:48You were a beneficiary at that time.
17:49I was a beneficiary.
17:50As long as the PTI government was also a beneficiary,
17:52they did not have any issue at that time.
17:54As long as the Noon League beneficiaries were there,
17:56there was no issue at that time.
17:57And General Bajwa was also offered an extension three to four times during the PDM government.
18:01For one year.
18:02Now this may not be known to Bade Mian Sahib.
18:04But there were such news coming from the government of Chhote Mian Sahib
18:07that Bajwa Sahib is being offered an extension of one year.
18:10Now after 75 years, if an ex-army chief has to remember the Quran and say
18:15that I did not have any role in politics at that time.
18:18So this is a story of 70-75 years.
18:21Whether it is General Bajwa or any other government, this is not his story.
18:25Figures and names are not important here.
18:27We have brought our country in this context.
18:30Even today, the people in the government,
18:33don't you think that after two years,
18:35what will they tell you and me?
18:37That this name was like this and that was like that.
18:39If there was a moral courage,
18:40then when it was happening,
18:42they would have told us at that time.
18:43Then we would have also known.
18:44Having said that,
18:45everyone will have to work in their own domain.
18:48Yes, Azhar, tell me quickly.
18:49What is the relation of this deal?
18:51Khan Sahib says that I have not been offered any deal.
18:53Neither will I take it nor will you deal with me.
18:56Ali Ma Sahiba says that it has been offered many times.
18:58We will not take it.
18:59Where is the truth here?
19:00Look, obviously,
19:02we have been in contact with Khan Sahib from within the Jamaat.
19:06We have not been able to meet anyone in private,
19:09any journalist.
19:10But such news kept coming that
19:12different things are being offered to him.
19:14But the problem is that
19:15what will the government offer him at this time?
19:17Look, you leave a little cushion.
19:20If you get him punished even in the case of his Nikah,
19:23then what do you have?
19:24At this time, you cannot offer him popularity.
19:27He says that you stole his mandate.
19:30So at this time, dealing is a loss for him.
19:33If some things were in such a pipeline
19:35and there were not so many decisions in the cases,
19:37things would not have reached this level,
19:39then there was more chance.
19:40In these circumstances,
19:41I don't think so.
19:42And what Barrister Ghor Sahib told you that
19:44Khan Sahib will come out in April,
19:45I will be really surprised.
19:47We don't see that happening.
19:48Not even April, May, June,
19:50maybe by the end of this year.
19:52But I don't think so in the coming months.
19:54For some reason.
19:55Mr. Aamir, what do you think?
19:56These talks about the deal,
19:58either it would have been a deal before the elections,
20:00or after the turnout on 8th February,
20:02the doors of jokes would have opened somewhere.
20:04Right now, a system is running,
20:06governments are running.
20:08You have also seen the results of the by-elections.
20:10In any case, whatever your opinion is,
20:14however genuine they were or managed,
20:16irrespective, a system is running.
20:17Here, the deal…
20:19Is Aleema Khan saying anything?
20:20Is Khan Sahib saying anything?
20:23Aamir, thank you very much.
20:24You gave a long introduction.
20:27If you allow me,
20:28I will say a few new things in it.
20:31General Kiani celebrated the first year of his military service
20:34when General Musharraf did not leave the army
20:36capable of coming out.
20:38She used to travel in her car.
20:40She earned a lot of respect.
20:42And when she took the extension,
20:44what happened after that?
20:46What happened with her till date?
20:48She is silent.
20:49Because you do not have respect
20:51when you go ahead with your work.
20:53Although she earned the respect of the army
20:55in the first three years.
20:57Then came the personal issue.
20:58And then every bad thing in the world,
21:00which Atharva Kazmi Sahib was saying,
21:02was put at that time.
21:03Like Imran Khan Sahib also,
21:04he did not show any moral courage.
21:06He ruled with complete humility.
21:08And when it ended,
21:09I was not doing anything,
21:10General Bajwa was doing everything.
21:11Now, what General Bajwa Sahib said,
21:13he said very big things.
21:15Let me tell you one thing.
21:17When General Faiz's house had a death.
21:20And Nawaz Sharif had just gone.
21:24So Mushahid Hussain Syed Sahib
21:26and some people were present.
21:28Who were in their house,
21:29in the village,
21:30in the small room,
21:31eating.
21:32And Mushahid Sahib said to them,
21:33that General, you did well,
21:34sent.
21:35So General said,
21:36yes man, this had to be done.
21:38Now let me explain this,
21:39that when the whole world
21:40was losing platelets,
21:42I told this in my show,
21:44I told this in Express,
21:45that I got a call from a friend,
21:47that a flying boat will come
21:49and will take Nawaz Sharif out.
21:51And Nawaz Sharif went out.
21:52All of them sold the deal of platelets
21:54and I was standing on it.
21:56You must remember,
21:57the extension of General Bajwa had taken place.
21:59At that time, we had said that
22:01Yusuf Reda Gilani was the Prime Minister
22:03on the first extension.
22:04So I was present with him.
22:06At that time,
22:07I had asked Principal Secretary Khushnood Lashari
22:09who is now in the UK or America.
22:12So he said,
22:13if I give, then one year,
22:14if he gives, then two years.
22:15It took one year.
22:16Although bouquet and cake,
22:18at that time,
22:19Yusuf Reda Gilani had given in advance,
22:21the order was made later.
22:22So the second extension,
22:23after the statement of Chaudhry Nisar,
22:25could not be held in Parliament.
22:27Otherwise, it was also happening.
22:28We forget the facts.
22:30You made me listen to Khurshid Shah's short
22:32on General Raheel Sharif.
22:33I am telling you completely right,
22:35till the last day,
22:36General Raheel Sharif
22:37put all the efforts of the world
22:39for the extension.
22:40Trapped Nawaz Sharif
22:42tried in down leaks and everything,
22:44but he did not get the extension.
22:46Therefore, this thing,
22:47Khurshid Shah is a very good friend of mine.
22:49I am saying on the basis of my information
22:51that this was wrong.
22:52And this was the basis.
22:53After the arrival of General Bajwa,
22:54he was convinced about Nawaz Sharif
22:56that he will not give me the extension.
22:58Therefore, he became with Imran.
23:00And you will remember,
23:01Nawaz Sharif had gone before this extension,
23:05which Imran Khan had given on 19th August.
23:07He had gone on 18th-19th
23:10and on 22nd,
23:12this is in these dates,
23:14which was the first extension,
23:15which Imran Khan did not object.
23:16Sir, I said in the beginning
23:17that Raheel Sharif's,
23:19or your,
23:21now Bajwa's,
23:23Bajwa's.
23:24I will add it in a moment.
23:26But in the middle,
23:27the first extension was done by Bajwa,
23:29Mr. Nawaz Sharif put all his efforts in it.
23:31No, no, no.
23:33I am telling you on the basis of my information
23:35that it did not happen,
23:36there was no help either.
23:38That happened when Asif Saeed Khosa,
23:40who had punished Nawaz Sharif,
23:42and he was in jail,
23:43a man was sent to him,
23:45and Fakhar Imam,
23:46the head of PTI,
23:48had also presented a bill
23:49for the extension of judges.
23:51And Nawaz Sharif had refused,
23:53that he will not give.
23:54Sir, this is one case,
23:56but Amir sahib,
23:57can I tell you one more thing?
23:58On 22nd November,
23:59Bajwa sahib's extension case
24:00was picked up by an advocate,
24:02and a lawyer brought it for three days.
24:04And after that,
24:05he told the journalists later,
24:07that he had also been called
24:08the president of Iwane.
24:09The judge was completely greedy.
24:11According to Khalil Gibran's philosophy,
24:13he was trapped.
24:14What he had written in Panama,
24:16he was putting it on himself.
24:17Sir, can I also take this opportunity
24:19to ask you a question?
24:20Yes, yes.
24:21The judge you are talking about,
24:23he has now retired.
24:25I can tell you that
24:27at that time as well,
24:29he had called all the judges
24:31and told them that
24:32this is coming in the news,
24:33I will not take any extension.
24:35If even the age has been increased
24:37by taking legislation,
24:38I am not interested
24:39and I will go home.
24:40Anyway, that is one version.
24:42One minute, one minute.
24:43You are talking about the judges,
24:44Meher.
24:45He had spoken to the journalists
24:46off the record,
24:47that I was pointed out
24:48as the president of Iwane,
24:49and later they got upset.
24:50He had spoken to the Supreme Court reporter.
24:53Now you tell me that
24:55this is our past.
24:56One minute, one minute.
24:57He had not retired at that time.
24:58He was the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court
25:00when he spoke.
25:01I know that, sir.
25:02I know that, sir.
25:03I am very well aware of that.
25:04I am telling you another version
25:05which I know personally.
25:07But as I said,
25:08there are many truths here.
25:09Nawaz Sharif, who did not take the dictation,
25:11gave an extension to the Chief of Army,
25:13Mr. Bajwa in the period of Tariq-e-Insaf.
25:15So the point is that
25:16our past is still being ignored.
25:18And today when it comes to the deal,
25:20as I asked you,
25:21I do not think that
25:22there is any effect of the deal
25:23or any atmosphere is being created.
25:25Do you agree with Mr. Athar,
25:26that we should not go out
25:27till the end of the year?
25:28I will tell you.
25:30Mr. Athar has also said
25:31and I am also saying this,
25:33that the decision that is present till now,
25:35let them be free in all,
25:36they will not come in the public.
25:38They will stay in some house,
25:41in the jail.
25:43Till now, the decision.
25:45Okay, it does not take time to have a deal.
25:47There were big claims in this country
25:49and everyone got the deals.
25:51It is not possible that there is no deal yet.
25:53It can be.
25:54But there will be conditions for that.
25:56Who is being sued?
25:57We repeatedly say that
25:58government, PDM, etc.
25:59They fought with the establishment.
26:01They attacked on 9th May.
26:03Whether they are being punished or not.
26:05This is their fight with the establishment
26:07of love and affection.
26:08Which turned Mir Jafar and Mir Sadiq
26:09into enmity.
26:10In which they went to all lengths.
26:12No sir, I am saying that
26:13this is not a crime.
26:14Bibi Marooma was doing
26:15Charter of Democracy.
26:16She also made a deal with Musharraf.
26:17Mr. Mian also has a colorful past in this.
26:20I am not saying that
26:21this is not possible.
26:22This is a very big issue.
26:23They went out in the era of Gujarat.
26:25There is no such thing.
26:27Everyone has done it here.
26:28I am not saying that
26:29this is not possible.
26:31But you are not even seeing
26:32Imran Khan going out.
26:33You are saying that
26:34even if he comes out of jail,
26:35he will not be able to address the public.
26:37I don't think so.
26:38And he will not want to go out of the country.
26:40I don't want to say anything
26:41about his wife.
26:43He is writing.
26:45If you see today,
26:46there are some tweets that
26:47are saying about his wife
26:48that God forbid,
26:49don't let them go out.
26:50It will be a big mess
26:52if you are going to make such a deal.
26:54And Mohsin Naqvi has been targeted in that.
26:57One thing is that
26:59the former Chief Justice
27:01mentioned that
27:02there are deals for personal gain.
27:04The extension that was given to General Bajwa,
27:06the Noon League put a line
27:07and put a vote in it.
27:08Absolutely.
27:09Unapologetically put a vote in it.
27:11Unapologetically put a vote in it.
27:13There is no visibility here, Mr. Attar.
27:15My problem here is that
27:16I don't see the mood
27:17to get a deal from Mr. Khan.
27:19Secondly,
27:20they are not even showing their face.
27:22They have taken their names
27:23and opened their mouths.
27:25Will this suit him?
27:26Will this get him a step closer
27:28towards freedom
27:29or coming out or no?
27:30No.
27:31To be honest,
27:32what will be the effect
27:33of his administrative side
27:34is a separate discussion.
27:36But if you look at his political side,
27:38if he comes out of the deal today
27:41and says that
27:42all our matters are fine,
27:43then I think
27:44his politics
27:45will also go down
27:46publicly
27:47from Mr. Shahbaz Sharif's politics.
27:49They understand that
27:50the tone in which
27:51they have taken the statements,
27:52the tone in which
27:53they have taken the statements
27:54from Mr. Shahbaz Sharif,
27:55it is not so easy
27:56to bring them down from that tone.
27:57At this time,
27:58it suits them
27:59to keep their political statements.
28:00And I don't think
28:01there will be any kind of
28:02deficiency in it
28:03or that they will get
28:04any relief from the other side.
28:05Yes, Mr. Ilyas,
28:06it suits them.
28:07If Maryam has made
28:08the nation believe
28:09one thing,
28:10that is power talks to power.
28:11If there is resistance,
28:12there will be resistance.
28:13And she successfully
28:14delivered on that.
28:15Mr. Khan,
28:16if they go on that note,
28:17take their names directly
28:18and tweet,
28:19keep their mouths open,
28:20will this suit them
28:21or this is the time
28:22that they should show
28:23their true colors.
28:24The voter of Imran Khan
28:25will not have
28:26any effect.
28:27Let me tell you this.
28:28Here,
28:29there will be problems
28:30in some details
28:31that claim.
28:32Imran Khan will not have
28:33any effect.
28:34He has always done
28:35this.
28:36He has no problem
28:37in taking U-turn.
28:38His party voters
28:39have no problem
28:40either.
28:41They will go
28:42with him.
28:43This is not
28:44an issue.
28:45The situation
28:46may be different,
28:47may be something else.
28:48Their voters
28:49will not have
28:50any problem.
28:51Like Nawaz Sharif
28:52went to London,
28:53Nawaz Sharif went to Saudi Arabia,
28:54he came back,
28:55he came back from London,
28:56he made his brother
28:57become Prime Minister
28:58once,
28:59made him become
29:00Prime Minister
29:01twice,
29:02made his daughter
29:03become Prime Minister.
29:04A small thing,
29:05I have a point,
29:06because I wrote
29:07in your last one,
29:08you made us listen
29:09to Munas Ilai's
29:10short,
29:11that he told us,
29:12but you did
29:13an interview
29:14of his father,
29:15which I remember,
29:16in which he said
29:17that his navels
29:18were changed
29:19with love and affection.
29:20If you see,
29:21today Mr. Mian
29:22is in China
29:23because of this.
29:24It's not possible
29:25that you change
29:26his navels,
29:27you can see in KPK
29:28which ticket
29:29was given to whom.
29:30When it was done
29:31in PDM world,
29:32when he did not
29:33go to election,
29:34immediately,
29:35there,
29:36he changed
29:37his navels,
29:38finished his
29:39navels of the government,
29:40voted,
29:41etc.
29:42No,
29:43if Mr. Aamir
29:44is saying that
29:45PDM has changed,
29:46then Nawaz Sharif
29:47sir,
29:48that everybody
29:49We are not going to sell anything.
29:51No, Mr. Mian knew exactly what happened to us.
29:53Despite losing, he gave a victory speech.
29:55Yes.
29:56He doesn't know after 30-40 years of politics,
29:58what our condition was in Lahore,
30:00what our condition was in Punjab.
30:01Even after that, he gave a victory speech.
30:03And now he has become the advisor of the Punjab government.
30:07He came to become the Prime Minister for the fourth time.
30:09Look, when you insult the consciousness of the people,
30:11whether it is Imran Khan, Nawaz Sharif, or any other respected leader.
30:15Now that time has passed.
30:18And the last question.
30:19Who is insulting the consciousness of the people the most today?
30:21Today, the whole system is insulting.
30:23The whole system.
30:24The whole system is insulting.
30:25The system needs to be understood.
30:27They say it is better to learn from the experience of others.
30:30Don't wait for your own experience.
30:31No, no one learns here.
30:32In today's informal talks, what is the most striking thing that Imran Khan has said?
30:36Look, there are different things in this.
30:37First, he said that no one has offered him a deal.
30:40And what will he do later?
30:41And what will he do later?
30:42This is one thing that is important.
30:43And the second thing, when he mentions his wife,
30:46it seems that he has taken those things to a great extent on a personal level.
30:51Now, where will he mend this?
30:53And again, when he mentions the court again and again,
30:56that the court…
30:57Today, there has been a lot of chitchat.
30:58People's trust in the court is increasing.
31:00Once again, there has been chitchat.
31:01Look, if there is a guardian of your, Mr. Rana's, and all of our rights,
31:05then it is the court.
31:06If there is a wall standing somewhere,
31:08the court should also look at it.
31:09If our rights are being chosen in the walls,
31:12including the constitution,
31:13then it should also look at it.
31:15Thank you very much, Mr. Amir Ilyas.
31:17A very short break.
31:18We are going to be right back.
31:45We are going to be right back.
31:46We are going to be right back.
32:15We are going to be right back.
32:45We are going to be right back.
33:15We are going to be right back.
33:45We are going to be right back.
34:15We are going to be right back.
34:45We are going to be right back.
35:15This is an important report of the government.
35:16And on the case of human rights violations,
35:19the press conference was held today.
35:21In the solution of the case,
35:22while acknowledging the issues,
35:24it has also been admitted that
35:25the government has not been lazy in solving this issue.
35:29But, this issue has been going on for four decades,
35:32and cannot be solved immediately.
35:36It has also been seen that
35:37those people whom we had registered as missing persons,
35:40and the commission had declared them,
35:42and an FIR had also been registered under the allegation
35:45that people from a particular institution had taken them.
35:47I remember that during our meetings,
35:49there were two cases.
35:50They said that these people were in Landi Jail,
35:53one was in the case of Manishyat,
35:55and the other was in Sindh Jail.
35:57So, this case is not that easy.
35:59There are many aspects to it.
36:01In 2011, the Supreme Court made the
36:03Commission of Inquiry on Enforced Disappearances.
36:06Under that, out of 10,023 cases,
36:087,900 cases have been resolved.
36:11Only 23% of the cases are pending.
36:13If the Judiciary makes a committee on this,
36:15and goes towards Judicial Oversight,
36:17then what will be the function of the
36:19already formed Inquiry Commissions,
36:21the already formed Cabinet Committees?
36:23So, these multiple layers should not be created.
36:26We will talk later.
36:27Senior journalist Matiullah is with us.
36:29Mati, thank you very much for being with us.
36:31First of all, on the issue of the letter of six judges,
36:33after Lahore and Islamabad,
36:34the High Court has also held a full court hearing.
36:36The recommendations regarding freedom of justice
36:38have been taken into consideration.
36:40And the termination of institutional interference
36:42has been decided unanimously.
36:44Can the freedom of superior judiciary
36:46be a blow to the Asqud Notice?
36:50The Asqud Notice is a very extraordinary
36:52authority of the Supreme Court.
36:54And I am surprised that such extraordinary
36:56powers have been used in the past
36:58to bring down and create governments.
37:00Now, why is it being used
37:02just to demand compensation?
37:04I thought that the countless incidents
37:06that the six judges of the Islamabad High Court
37:08had cleared in their letters,
37:10the Supreme Court should have
37:12carried out a very strict investigation
37:14on them.
37:16And the institutions and people
37:18who were accused,
37:20they should have been given a notice
37:22and asked for their answer.
37:24After that, two or three judges
37:26of the Supreme Court should have
37:28been made a commission
37:30and their statements should have been recorded
37:32and investigations should have been
37:34carried out.
37:36The police should have also been
37:38investigated and strict punishments
37:40should have been given.
37:42In my opinion, the incidents
37:44that the six judges have mentioned,
37:46the attack on General Musharraf's
37:48court on November 3, 2007,
37:50was a dangerous attack of the same nature
37:52which should have been reacted to
37:54in the same way as the Supreme Court reacted.
37:56Today, we saw that immediately after
37:58the full court hearing,
38:00the judge who punished Imran Khan
38:02and Shah Mehmood Qureshi,
38:04Abul Hasnath, has also been asked
38:06to return to the Lahore High Court.
38:08Are you mixing up the words?
38:10I think this is an ordinary practice
38:12that judges have been sent to Islamabad
38:14for the trial of the
38:16Ralpindi Adela Jail.
38:18And then when the hearing
38:20was completed,
38:22they were called back.
38:24I don't see any connection
38:26with this.
38:28Judge Abul Hasnath
38:30has a connection with the
38:32Lahore High Court.
38:34He came here on an RC duty
38:36and was called back
38:38by the Lahore High Court
38:40for interfering in the
38:42law.
38:44There is no such evidence in this.
38:46Mr. Mati,
38:48the pressure and
38:50demand for freedom
38:52from inside the court,
38:54what was the role of the court
38:56in this?
38:58Because today's hearing,
39:00headed by the Chief Justice
39:02of Islamabad High Court,
39:04if it had happened a year ago,
39:06a lot would have been different today.
39:08You are right.
39:10In the past,
39:12Justice Chaukat Aziz Siddiqui
39:14had also put pressure on
39:16Chief Justice Anwar Kasi.
39:18We have seen in the
39:20Panama cases,
39:22the cases of Nawaz Sharif
39:24in which there were serious
39:26allegations against
39:28General Abad and General Faiz.
39:30Justice Chaukat Aziz Siddiqui
39:32had also put pressure on
39:34General Faiz.
39:36The Panama cases were also
39:38carried out in this way.
39:40There is no doubt in this.
39:42In the past, when the judges
39:44used to overturn the positions
39:46of the Army Generals and
39:48Army Officers, they used to
39:50take the side of the PCOs.
39:52In the Supreme Court's
39:54effective ruling, it has been
39:56said that the PCOs are
39:58based on treachery.
40:00Now it has been decided that
40:02the PCOs do not need to be
40:04overturned.
40:06Now only the judges
40:08do all the work without
40:10the PCOs.
40:12In this, the court
40:14has its own responsibility.
40:16The judges of the court
40:18should have given a
40:20strong response to the
40:22PCOs.
40:24As I said in the beginning,
40:26the PCOs used to
40:28make and destroy the government
40:30are not being used
40:32to protect the judges
40:34of the court.
40:36Only speeches
40:38and proposals are being made.
40:40The law is very strict
40:42on such incidents.
40:44What should be done
40:46against these people?
40:48Imran Khan has again
40:50charged the Supreme
40:52Judiciary.
40:54According to Imran Khan,
40:56the public's confidence
40:58is rising from the court.
41:00Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto and
41:02other cases are involved.
41:04What is Imran Khan's
41:06opinion on this?
41:08It is true that
41:10the public's confidence
41:12is rising from the court.
41:14But the public's confidence
41:16is rising from the court.
41:18In the current state of the court,
41:20Imran Khan has his own
41:22responsibility.
41:24He used to stand on the containers
41:26and threaten the women
41:28in the name of the judges.
41:30He used to make shameful
41:32judicial decisions.
41:34Those who used the courts
41:36and especially the law
41:38institution like NAB
41:40to make cases,
41:42tried to blackmail
41:44the public.
41:46Imran Khan himself
41:48does not like these words.
41:50The courts of the past 75 years
41:52have a very bad reputation.
41:54We can say this.
41:56But politicians like Imran Khan,
41:58Nawaz Sharif and Asif Zardari
42:00cannot say this.
42:02Because all these people
42:04in their newspapers
42:06and even the military leaders
42:08like General Musharraf
42:10and General Ziauddin
42:12should not forget their past
42:14when they raise their fingers
42:16in the court.
42:20Thank you very much.
42:22We are going to be right back.
42:24Stay with us.
42:34This is the story of a country
42:36where every child born
42:38is worth 2.5 lakh rupees.
42:40In real terms,
42:42the minimum wage
42:44is the lowest.
42:4640% of the population
42:48are living below the poverty line.
42:50To save themselves from default,
42:52the country is begging
42:54the international financial institutions
42:56and the world.
42:58But the officials of this country
43:00are not even grateful.
43:02We are talking about Pakistan.
43:04No surprises here.
43:06Nigran Wazir Azam Anwar-ul-Haq
43:08I don't know what services
43:10were given to him.
43:12But then came Shabaz Sharif.
43:14Shabaz Sharif, who sacrificed
43:16his politics for the state
43:18and became the chair of the ministry.
43:20First, he formed a committee
43:22and then he approved
43:24three salaries of Nigran Wazir Azam
43:26which were stopped.
43:28Not only did he get rid of them,
43:30but he increased the salary
43:32by one month.
43:34Then, he approved four salaries
43:36of Nigran Wazir Azam
43:38before the payout package.
43:40If we look at the additional salaries
43:42of Wazir Azam's officials
43:44from Grade 1 to Grade 16,
43:46the number of bonuses increased
43:48by five in just two months.
43:50Apart from the salary,
43:52when Wazir Azam Shabaz Sharif
43:54and Wazir-e-Khazana were
43:56approving these bonuses,
43:58they must have known
44:00that the tea they were drinking
44:02was also bought on loan.
44:05The salaries of Wafaaq
44:07are also paid on loan.
44:09Even if he drinks a cup of tea
44:11from some ministry,
44:13it is also on loan.
44:15How long will this life of 76 years
44:17on loan continue?
44:19IMF took us by the hand
44:21and got us out of trouble.
44:23It is just phenomenal.
44:25Because you don't know
44:27whether IMF gets you out of trouble
44:29for a long-term loan program or not.
44:31But today, according to Shabaz Rana,
44:33the IMF has raised an issue
44:35on the approval of a 24 billion
44:37Zimni grant.
44:39According to the report,
44:41IMF has raised questions
44:43with the Ministry of Treasury
44:45about where the funds
44:47from the Maskura funding
44:49will come from.
44:51Pakistan's representative
44:53Esther Perez has not commented
44:55on this issue.
44:57The Ministry of Treasury
44:59has said that Wazir Azam
45:01Shabaz Sharif has not commented
45:03on this issue.
45:05It is no rocket science.
45:07Because you tell us
45:09what the situation is in Khatabat.
45:11And secondly,
45:13is a Wazir Azam's ego so great
45:15that he could not reverse
45:17such a decision,
45:19which is of no direct benefit
45:21to the people?
45:23It is also important to get
45:25the answer to this question
45:27that why was this decision
45:29made?
45:49It is
45:51interesting or sad
45:53that Wazir Azam's employees
45:55already take more salary
45:57than the Pakistani government
45:59and the United Nations.
46:05It is also important
46:07that the Shabaz government
46:09will take 23% interest
46:11from the banks.
46:13And if we look at the daily
46:15interest, it is 48 billion.
46:17While the tax
46:19collected from the people
46:21is 90% on the interest.
46:23And when the institution
46:25that gives the tax
46:27questions the decision,
46:29then at least the elders
46:31of this country should not say
46:33that taking back the decision
46:35is an insult.
46:37It is an insult to the people.
46:39That's it for tonight.
46:41Good night. Allah Hafiz.