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00:00A moment, as you are leading the meeting and the presentation, there is the President of Paraguay speaking.
00:06I want to tell you that the climate is of serious adult faces.
00:12Although there is the presentation of this protocol, of this announced advance,
00:18in particular, there is still nothing to tell you except the intention,
00:24as the President said, and I speak for myself, as the President said,
00:30and I also speak for Lula, for Milley, for Franco,
00:34where the intention is to advance, to have at least a starting point,
00:40some negotiating points, and to leave behind these 25 years that no one wants to keep
00:46with the shame of having been a failure in the different negotiations that the two blocs have had.
00:50The President of the European bloc was right to say that this market of 700 million people,
00:56something more than 700 million people, would be an important market for personal and professional development.
01:02They talked about the strengthening of democracies.
01:06They also talked about the possibility of highlighting the protection of the Amazon.
01:10I want to tell you that at this moment, while the President of Paraguay is speaking,
01:14you will be able to see some of the images where the current President of Calle Pau is,
01:18and the elected President, Jamán Duhorci, at the same table,
01:22who has had, let's say, the tendency to introduce each of the presidents.
01:26But I want to tell you that, going back to the subject of Argentina,
01:30we have seen distant adult faces, both of Lula and of President Milley,
01:36and also in relation to the European Union.
01:40President Milley had a speech where he talked about the failures,
01:44more than the coincidences and the advances, in reference to Mercosur
01:48and to these 25 years of bilateral conversations with the European Common Market.
01:54We have a fragment to listen to from the speech of the President of the Argentine Nation,
01:58Javier Milley, there at the summit of Mercosur.
02:04I would like to invite you, as brothers we are,
02:08to open our eyes and be honest intellectually.
02:12Let's accept that this model is exhausted,
02:14and let's look for a new formula that benefits us all,
02:16so that we can all trade more and better.
02:20Because it is trade that generates prosperity,
02:22and what is going to end with the great Latin American scourge,
02:26which is the abject poverty of our peoples.
02:28Let's gain autonomy without ceasing to respect the agreements that bind us.
02:32And if what binds us is to trade freely among ourselves,
02:36let's loosen the bindings that today drown us instead of strengthening us.
02:40This block cannot continue to be a sieve that limits our countries.
02:44We must leave behind this stage characterized by the mere administration of agreements,
02:48the excess of regulations and the implementation of norms
02:52that stop both internal trade and the rest of the world.
02:56Because if the block is not a dynamic engine that facilitates trade,
03:00that drives investment and improves the quality of life of all citizens in our region,
03:04then what sense does it have?
03:06Within the discourse, we clearly see...
03:10It is the same ideology as always, President Javier Millet,
03:14there is no novelty in that regard,
03:16it is coherent with his approach,
03:18it does not have the greatest of estimates by Mercosur,
03:22and I don't think it's just a matter of personal sympathies,
03:24because clearly with Lula they don't love each other a little,
03:28there is no ideological coincidence or anything like that.
03:30It seems to me that it is more a matter of economic vision of President Javier Millet.
03:36It would have been good to see Lula's face, for example, when Javier Millet said this.
03:40We saw the face of Pau Street, which was serious,
03:42but in reality Pau Street is going to such an extent
03:46that it invited Yamandu Orsi, the elected president of Uruguay, to this summit.
03:50There was the antithesis of Nestor Kirchner in 2005 at the Summit of the Americas,
03:54saying the opposite of Bush, the opposite.
03:58Exactly the same.
04:00Well, that was in Mar del Plata, the famous train, I don't remember which one.
04:04The Alba, they called it the Alba.
04:06Alca, Alca, Alca.
04:08When Hugo Chávez says Alca, Alca, Alcarajo,
04:12on the train went Chávez, Diego Maradona,
04:16it would have been fun to be there,
04:18and it ends in Mar del Plata with President Nestor Kirchner
04:22wetting Bush's ears,
04:24touching his knees,
04:26as if to say, look, they are powerful,
04:28they always touch our knees.
04:30Look, Lucio, you were talking about the face,
04:32and Gustavo was also talking about the gesture of use, right?
04:36Well, there we have Lula.
04:38At that moment Millet is talking about the ties,
04:40that it would be the time for us to free the countries,
04:44this kind of hedge that keeps us,
04:46that allows us to negotiate freely.
04:48There you can see the face of Lula, very serious.
04:50It's a little picture, it's a second,
04:52but we managed to see how it was.
04:54Gus, you were talking about...
04:56The only thing I hope is that Brazil and Paraguay
04:58don't get negative in the summer
05:00with the import of energy to Argentina.
05:02Because there we will have a relatively bad time.
05:04But I don't think so.
05:06They are neighboring countries.
05:08Gustavo, you were talking about reactions,
05:10about gestures, about moments.
05:12We are also seeing at this moment
05:14when the agreement was signed
05:16between Mercosur and the European Union,
05:18everyone shaking hands,
05:20everyone holding hands.
05:22That was a moment of celebration, right?
05:26Yes, because it shows at least this protocol,
05:28this progress,
05:30in some points they agree.
05:32And I also want to tell you
05:34that the European representative
05:36highlighted many other things.
05:38In addition to the commercial,
05:40the quality of our institutions,
05:42the strengthening of democracies,
05:44the fact that there is,
05:46let's say,
05:48discordant voices
05:50with this agreement,
05:52he also highlighted it.
05:54He also spoke about the opportunities
05:56for growth and job creation.
05:58He had a very diplomatic speech.
06:00And I want to tell you
06:02that the attitude of Argentina
06:04from the Chancellery
06:06has also been an attitude
06:08of approach to Brazil,
06:10but staying firm.
06:12You see President Milley
06:14I think the only moment
06:16when he relaxed was when he spoke
06:18with President Pou Street.
06:20I think there is also an issue
06:22that they do not know each other
06:24and that President Milley
06:26prefers to handle
06:28these bilateral relations
06:30and in the case of Mercosur
06:32with this coldness,
06:34with this distance.
06:36And I think it was reflected,
06:38I will only put one image,
06:40when the first presentation
06:42did not speak
06:44any of the three presidents,
06:46only spoke Pou Street
06:48and the European representative,
06:50but also tell them
06:52that when they left the stage
06:54there were, let's say,
06:56very affective conversations
06:58between Risas, between Lula,
07:00President Paraguay, his Franco,
07:02President Pou Street
07:04with European representatives
07:06and President Milley preferred
07:08to maintain a distance,
07:10but also showing
07:12that cold relationship
07:14that he prefers to go through
07:16at least in these times
07:18until there is an advance.
07:20Let's describe the situation.
07:22Milley comes in,
07:24speaks with Pou Street,
07:26smiling, says something,
07:28almost to the ear.
07:30Lula does not look at him.
07:32Peña passes by,
07:34Peña does speak with Lula.
07:36Between Peña and Lula they speak,
07:38between Pou Street and Milley they speak.
07:40Now Pou Street adds to the conversation
07:42between Lula and Peña
07:44and the European representative
07:46who looks at him.
07:48What is happening here?
07:50How do South Americans behave?
07:52And after this protocol photo
07:54in which each one has his arms
07:56to the side, Milley with another posture,
07:58there he is going to shake hands.
08:00Let's shake hands?
08:02Yes, of course.
08:04The classic gesture of Milley.
08:06Good.
08:08And it ends up being a protocol photo
08:10in which Peña is shown
08:12with the same thumb as Milley.
08:14Homogeneous.
08:16Good, good.
08:18Thumbs on one side
08:20and thumbs on the other.
08:22These are part of the situations
08:24and the things that are seen
08:26when one is in the place
08:28and Gustavo is there and could see
08:30these moments.
08:32These agreements, of course,
08:34but what is signed
08:36is very general
08:38and then it is discussed
08:40in the private agreements.
08:42The shell of the agreement is signed
08:44and then we see it from the inside.
08:46There was a need to show an advance.
08:48Yes.
08:50It was said that there was a need
08:52to show an advance
08:54and also to show that
08:56these years of conversation and negotiations
08:58have not been in vain,
09:00to put it elegantly,
09:02but I want to say
09:04that they have not been in vain,
09:06but have been the basis
09:08for having this protocol.
09:10Gustavo, you have to remember
09:12that the president of your country,
09:14La Calle Pou, also wanted to break
09:16the Mercosur, or rather
09:18make bilateral agreements
09:20between Uruguay, for example,
09:22China or the United States
09:24and finally ...
09:26Not to go to negotiate in blocks
09:28but to do it individually.
09:30And although there is no re-election
09:32in Uruguay,
09:34it is also worth noting
09:36that there is no personal re-election
09:38for the presidency,
09:40the electorate has chosen
09:42a political government.
09:44The candidate of La Calle Pou
09:46was not the winner,
09:48but it was taken as a good gesture
09:50that La Calle Pou
09:52calls him to be elected president.
09:54It is what corresponds,
09:56but what does it correspond to?
09:58Many international colleagues
10:00highlighted the gesture,
10:02but it is what corresponds.
10:04In a few months, the president
10:06will have to take care
10:08of this situation and many more.
10:10I want to highlight that in the conversation
10:12that took place in the Mercosur,
10:14speaking of the Mercosur,
10:16there were some advances that have to do
10:18with some bilateral treaty
10:20between the bloc and Singapore,
10:22the United Arab Emirates,
10:24I think there was also an approach
10:26that seems to be the great agreement,
10:28the great business for the two regions,
10:30there have been advances
10:32between the Mercosur bloc
10:34and some markets
10:36that are interesting for us.
10:38And they also spoke of the strengthening
10:40of tools, for example,
10:42in the cultural, in the financial,
10:44that is, it is not that everything
10:46is useless,
10:48no, there have been small advances.
10:50But what we are now referring to,
10:52what this meeting refers to,
10:54that you see here,
10:56the presidents of Mercosur
10:58with invited presidents,
11:00how is Ecuador, how is Colombia,
11:02that big advance,
11:04let's say, with the European Union,
11:06has just a protocol
11:08and surely in the next
11:10months, perhaps under the influence
11:12of Miley, who receives
11:14the pro-temporary presidency of Mercosur,
11:16perhaps under the work
11:18that Miley's team does,
11:20we can advance.
11:22Who said this?
11:24The outgoing Uruguayan president,
11:26Luis Lacalle Pou,
11:28who stated this.
11:30We have the testimony.
11:32Let's listen to the Uruguayan president.
11:34Let's see if I remember.
11:38Santiago Peña said he was not
11:40satisfied, but basically
11:42that he was excited.
11:44The president Lula,
11:46which was a historic day,
11:48and President Miley
11:50highlighted the transcendence
11:52and importance
11:54of this day.
11:56All this is included
11:58in that an agreement
12:00of this type is not a solution.
12:02There are no magical solutions.
12:04There are no bureaucrats
12:06or governments
12:08that sign prosperity.
12:10It is an opportunity.
12:12And it will be in each of us
12:14the speed that we give
12:16to this agreement
12:18in other countries
12:20or in the European Union
12:22for this to advance.
12:24It is very important
12:26that the steps are small
12:28but safe, small but true
12:30and in the same direction.
12:32Let's see if I remember.
12:34There is no solution.
12:36No, of course.
12:38I'll give you a clear example.
12:40You know that agricultural
12:42and livestock production
12:44is infinitely cheaper
12:46and more efficient in Argentina
12:48than it is in Europe.
12:50What Europe does,
12:52and this is the result of an agreement
12:54from decades ago,
12:56is to subsidize its farmers
12:58because they realized that if
13:00those farmers are not subsidized
13:02and move to the cities,
13:04the big cities do not have infrastructure
13:06to withstand that massive migration.
13:08So to keep us in the rural part
13:10they subsidize it because
13:12they do not want the peasants
13:14in Madrid, Paris, Rome
13:16because the infrastructure
13:18of those cities does not give.
13:20Because they are small cities,
13:22they are not the extensions
13:24of territory that we have
13:26in the Argentine Republic
13:28and because they believe
13:30that it is part of the cultural
13:32diversity to maintain.
13:34Well, where is it cheaper
13:36to produce a liter of milk?
13:38In Argentina or in the French countryside?
13:40In Argentina.
13:42So what the European Union does
13:44is to protect and subsidize
13:46those producers so that
13:48in some way they can compete.
13:50Are we going to compete in food?
13:52Are we going to make a free trade
13:54agreement on food?
13:56I see it difficult.
13:58Energy? Well, we can export
14:00especially liquefied natural gas.
14:02And then we will discuss other things.
14:04Cars?
14:06We produce.
14:08Argentina, Brazil, we produce.
14:10Europe too.
14:12Europe has a lot of factories.
14:14I wanted to ask you what it has
14:16to do with this, but it has to do
14:18with another of the issues
14:20that you raised earlier.
14:22That meeting between the
14:24blue dollar and the official dollar
14:26as part of this block,
14:28favors us, harms us?
14:30In what way does it position us?
14:32Unfortunately, the economy
14:34is never black and white
14:36between the blue dollar and the official dollar.
14:38What does it do?
14:40Importing is cheaper,
14:42vacationing abroad is relatively cheap,
14:44and exporting is less profitable.
14:46I'm not saying that exporting
14:48is not profitable.
14:50I'm not saying that.
14:52Otherwise, importers would not do anything.
14:54But it is not as profitable as
14:56exporting with a higher dollar.
14:58Yesterday I spoke, for example,
15:00with a cattle producer who has fields
15:02in Chacabuco where the hectare
15:04is $18,000.
15:06The price of a hectare in Chacabuco
15:08is more or less $18,000.
15:10And I asked him if he earned money.
15:12And he tells me, more or less.
15:14What I earn, I reinvest,
15:16and what I earn, I reinvest,
15:18and what I earn, I reinvest.
15:20I don't earn a lot of money.
15:22With a low dollar, as we have today,
15:24it is difficult for exporters to earn money.
15:26I'm not saying they lose.
15:28Let's be clear.
15:30I always feel with the dollar
15:32that the dollar is always late.
15:34I think the government's statement
15:36yesterday is very prudent.
15:38I don't remember if it was official
15:40or unofficial.
15:42Although the dollar and the official
15:44are tied, we are not in a hurry
15:46to get out of the change.
15:48Although the loan
15:50from the IMF,
15:52which apparently will come,
15:54perhaps Argentina is in better conditions
15:56to get out of the change.
15:58Gustavo is asking us.
16:00The last,
16:02if you like,
16:04summary of what the president
16:06said, of what President Milley said.
16:08He says, I'm going to make a comparison.
16:10Chile exports 50 times
16:12more in cherries
16:14than Argentina.
16:16And he gave the example
16:18that in copper, Chile is exporting
16:20above 50 billion
16:22dollars a year.
16:24He put it as an example of what
16:26Argentina could face in the coming
16:28years, in case it can
16:30improve markets and develop
16:32the necessary infrastructure
16:34so that those products
16:36can be produced in Argentina and exported
16:38to the world.