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00:00Mr. Muneeb, before this, the politicians were talking to us, and I want you to come to this point.
00:05Yesterday, I also spoke to some of my friends, well-known political friends.
00:09They said, no, no, sir, this system is not going to work anymore.
00:11And the composition of this system is going to change.
00:13Either the National Government will come, or the Noon League will come later,
00:16People's Party will come later, maybe a little PTI will come later.
00:18This can't go on like this.
00:20And they also refer to Mr. Bawda's statement,
00:22that Mr. Bawda said that the system is carrying the funeral of the Noon League.
00:25The system should be divorced, the Noon League and all.
00:28Personally, I don't think this is the case.
00:30What is your opinion on this?
00:34Thank you very much, Mr. Naveen.
00:35Look, the request is that our country's politics is events-driven politics.
00:41If an event happens, then we cannot really predict where the matter will go.
00:46But if I talk about today,
00:49then the problem is that the matters of Pakistan's establishment and this government,
00:56as I used to say, I gave you an example earlier,
01:00that there used to be the same page, the same page, the whole system used to run.
01:04Now there is no page.
01:06Now there are syllabus on which the government is working.
01:09In fact, it is reading them.
01:11So when there is such a situation and there is so much fanaticism,
01:15about which the Prime Minister himself,
01:19Mohammad Sahibaz Sharif Sahib,
01:21says that he is one life, two kalib,
01:23about himself and the commander-in-chief,
01:25with reference to General Asim Munir Sahib,
01:27this tells you how much fanaticism there is.
01:31And the position of Pakistan's establishment at the moment,
01:36look, there are two signatories of this system.
01:38One is Mian Nawaz Sharif Sahib,
01:40and the other is Asif Zardari Sahib.
01:42The rest of the personalities, their importance is in their own place.
01:45But the situation that is going on, is because of all these personalities.
01:51Now, no doubt, Asif Zardari Sahib would definitely want,
01:54and should want, that his sons become the Prime Minister of this country.
01:58Because he checks all the boxes.
02:00That he is educated, he has been a foreign minister,
02:03he is following his grandfather's pedigree, everything is there.
02:06But I think he would want that.
02:09But at the moment, the system,
02:11the things that have been fitted in it,
02:13I don't see any change in it.
02:15We have, our fellow passenger,
02:17friend Faisal Wada Sahib,
02:19his observations, his talks,
02:21are of great importance in their own place.
02:23But in my opinion, at the moment,
02:25I don't see anything like that happening.
02:27Maybe our brother has made it a little sweeter in his own way, in your opinion.
02:31Yes, look, I have my own assessment too.
02:34I have my own talks too.
02:36But I think that whatever has been decided,
02:39is a little above my, your, Atar Bhai's or Faisal Wada Sahib's matters.
02:43Right.
02:44It is above our pay grade.
02:45Right.
02:46Mr. Kazmi, I have one more question for you.
02:48But if you want to comment, then comment.
02:50And you tell me, is there any comparison to this?
02:52If someone says that, sir, that is fine,
02:54but it is a matter of yesterday.
02:55Khan Sahib also used to say,
02:56I have not seen a journal like Mr. Bajwa.
02:59Yes, they tape my phone.
03:01So it's a good thing.
03:02Every establishment does it.
03:03And then how did that page become Riza, Riza, Zara, Zara?
03:05So this can happen today too.
03:07This is not in your opinion.
03:08These are two different matters.
03:09And here the matter has gone far ahead.
03:12So one thing is that Muneeb Sahib counted everyone's pay grade
03:15and said that it is a matter above them.
03:17So I think in between,
03:18he would have also counted Shahbaz Sharif
03:20that it is a matter above them too.
03:21The issue is that, I mean,
03:25as much as Mr. Shahbaz Sharif's sacrifice,
03:27Mr. Shahbaz Sharif's pay grade is not there.
03:29Mr. Shahbaz Sharif's pay grade is not there.
03:31That, that pro bono work,
03:33that, what do they say,
03:34works without salary.
03:36Without compensation.
03:37Okay.
03:38So their services will be taken care of in the case of Mr. Shahbaz.
03:40Atar Bhai.
03:41Exactly.
03:42Their services,
03:43the services they have,
03:45I don't think that in the current scenario,
03:47any other Prime Minister can serve the country and the nation
03:49in the same way as they are doing.
03:51So this desire may be there
03:53that Mr. Bilawal should be brought.
03:55We have been listening to this kind of talk for a long time.
03:57It has been emphasizing it for two or three months.
03:59There are also talks that it may be that
04:01there may be a patch-up with Tehreek-e-Insaf.
04:03But I don't think this is more than a desire.
04:06The current situation is that
04:08neither Imran Khan's affairs can be fixed with the establishment
04:12nor is there any desire of the establishment.
04:14And look, there is an issue of personalities at the moment.
04:18The real issue is of Khan's personality.
04:20It is not just an issue of the Jamaat that
04:22this is a Jamaat and it has an opinion.
04:24Similarly, there is an issue of personalities on the other side as well.
04:26So I think this is just a matter,
04:28a desire, nothing more than that.
04:30Atar Bhai, how do I move forward from here?
04:32I will ask this question to Munir Bhai.
04:34I was saying today that
04:36I think that the power and anger on one side is a fact
04:41and it is not going anywhere in the times to come.
04:44And on the other side, the popularity among the public is a fact
04:46and it is not going anywhere in the near future at least.
04:48Now how do we move forward from here?
04:50If not a month, then it will be a call in four months.
04:52Again a stick, then a stick, then tears.
04:55So is it like this?
04:57How will the situation move forward from here?
04:59Atar Bhai, first you tell us.
05:01Look, the political parties will also have to play their role in this.
05:05The parliament plays its role.
05:07Here we mention the parliament again and again.
05:09Yesterday we saw that there was a march in South Korea.
05:12The role played by the parliament was seen by the whole world.
05:15The parliament opens here at night as well.
05:17But unfortunately, for the interests of the powerful,
05:20it opens for their protection.
05:22So this is the difference between the 45th form parliament of South Korea
05:25that they have solved the problems.
05:27We say that the 45th and 47th here,
05:30as Maulana Sahib stood up and said,
05:32whoever is here, is here now.
05:34So if you look at these matters,
05:36I feel that until the matters are settled in some places,
05:40among each other,
05:41as long as they have a chance,
05:43look, this is not an unlimited window
05:45that if these matters are not fixed,
05:47then the matters will continue to go on like this.
05:49You saw that there was a very unfortunate incident here in Islamabad.
05:52The situation can also be bad.
05:54So all of them should realize this thing.
05:56For some reason, I don't know what the issue is,
05:58that it is a deadlock.
06:00These people are not understanding.
06:02So for now, I can't see things moving forward.

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