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00:00The government is there when you are a part of the policy-making, when you are a part of the cabinet.
00:06Then you are a part of the government.
00:08The federal government is not a part of the government at all.
00:11And in the Punjab government, let's say we are the opposition.
00:14And although our members have voted for Mr. Mariam,
00:18but the information about the Peoples' Party,
00:21we have no such impression that we are in the government.
00:25In the policy-making, the policies that are being made in this country,
00:29the things that are being done,
00:31whether it is a financial policy or any other policy,
00:35I don't think that the Peoples' Party has any influence.
00:38So, clearly, we are not a part of the party.
00:41Okay, Mr. Chand, tell us,
00:43the other day we invited Governor Sardar Hale to our program.
00:46He repeatedly said that he has requested Mr. Chimnisar to give him time to meet you,
00:50to discuss some things with you.
00:52I think you had an agreement with the Punjab government.
00:56They want to address your concerns.
00:59What is the reason, Mr. Mariam?
01:01Why don't you meet your representatives in Lahore?
01:04Governor, you are a senior.
01:06Before this, I was also a part of the Punjab-level co-ordination committee.
01:11And when a committee was formed to form a dialogue government with the government,
01:15the committee consisted of Mr. Sadiq, Mr. Sardar, Mr. Karad, Mr. Malik Ahmed Khan,
01:22Mr. Kehra, Mr. Ali Shah, Mr. Zaheri, Mr. Baadur Khan Sehar,
01:31five or six of us, and Mr. Saeed Jahangir.
01:34So, when the government was forming that committee,
01:37there was a very detailed discussion and an agreement was made,
01:41which included issues related to Punjab, federal issues,
01:44such as policy-making, which will be consulted with the Peer Party,
01:48related to the boards, the dialogue with someone, and then Lahore.
01:52There were a lot of things.
01:54If I tell you, the main aim of Punjab was to have a local community election within a year.
01:59So, we ensured that within a year,
02:02and we will make such a system that will be effective and the Peer Party will be on board
02:07to investigate this system.
02:09So, that didn't happen either.
02:11After that, there was an agreement regarding our bureaucracy,
02:14that there will be a consultation.
02:16We will not make any recommendations, but whatever you post,
02:19we will share it in any way.
02:21Where you will take political input from the Noor League,
02:23there you will take political input from the Peer Party.
02:25The rest, as far as you are concerned,
02:27as far as we are concerned, as far as we are concerned,
02:29we don't want any interference in that.
02:31That is the job of civil administration or the job of the police.
02:35But as far as your authorities are concerned,
02:38if they want to make a decision on their own,
02:41if there is a political impact,
02:43then we will also be taken on board by the Peer Party.
02:46This was our demand and unfortunately,
02:48they did not fulfill even one of their demands with due respect.
02:51That is why we are never a part of a council.
02:54I don't consider myself to be a part of a council.
02:56That's right.
02:57Chaudhary Ghulam Sahib from Lahore wants to ask you a question.
02:59Hassan has also spoken to you.
03:00Chaudhary Ghulam Sahib, please.
03:02No, Nadeem Afzal Chand's one thing is that this is a public complaint,
03:05his political attitude,
03:07and those who think he is right,
03:09they scold him,
03:10and those who think he is wrong,
03:11they talk to him.
03:12Having said this,
03:13the love I have,
03:15the Peoples Party,
03:16as a part of this government,
03:18whatever their actions are,
03:20whether you accept it or not,
03:23you cannot get away from that.
03:25Absolutely.
03:26Mr. Chand, I would also like to add to this,
03:28that Maulana Sahib,
03:29along with 26th May,
03:31Mr. Zardari returned his bell.
03:33Mr. Zardari did not do it alone,
03:34he returned it at the behest of the government.
03:36And Maulana is saying that
03:37Mr. Zardari did all the work,
03:38so you will have to take responsibility for every action.
03:40Look,
03:41as far as Mr. Ghulam Sahib is concerned,
03:43he is absolutely right,
03:44the time is running out,
03:46but the thing is that
03:47we have a lot of options,
03:49if we want to run this country,
03:51we have to run this country's democracy.
03:53Mr. Chaudhary,
03:54you understand better,
03:55that there is darkness everywhere,
03:57there is no political thought,
03:59there is no democratic thought.
04:01That is why,
04:02you see,
04:03we have accepted him as a leftist.
04:05We are not fond of him,
04:06it is a fact.
04:07Politically,
04:08we do not find it beneficial to sit with him.
04:10The people's party is paying to sit with him,
04:13we are paying a very high price.
04:15And maybe they also think that
04:16the people's party,
04:17which is one of the seven states,
04:19but we are only a part of their budget.
04:22We are not a part of the government,
04:24nor are we a part of the executive branch.
04:26Absolutely right.
04:27Absolutely right.
04:28Absolutely right.
04:29Mr. Hassan,
04:30you have to ask a question.
04:31Mr. Hassan,
04:32tell us,
04:33Maulana is Ranjita,
04:34she has a friendship with President Asif Ali Zardari,
04:37and President Nawaz,
04:39Mohammad Nawaz Sharif.
04:41They were very close.
04:42Now,
04:43she is upset,
04:44she is a little sad.
04:46So,
04:47is the people's party thinking of reconciling them?
04:49Because,
04:50during the 26th Ayani Tarmim,
04:51we saw that Bilawal's role,
04:53was a very key role.
04:54He led all of them,
04:55he was very active.
04:57So,
04:58is Bilawal Bhutto,
04:59or President Asif Ali Zardari,
05:00reconciling their friend,
05:01who is currently upset,
05:03with President Nawaz Sharif?
05:05Yes, sir.
05:06Absolutely,
05:07we will try.
05:08We have told Bilawal,
05:09and we have told him in a few words,
05:11that we will take Maulana with us.
05:14And I think,
05:15the people's party will still try,
05:17to maintain a good relationship with Maulana Bhutto.
05:20This,
05:21will continue.
05:22People are trying,
05:23to break this relationship.
05:25But,
05:26the people's party's relationship,
05:27will not break.
05:28Absolutely right.
05:29And,
05:30moving forward,
05:31you will see,
05:32this relationship,
05:33to be fruitful,
05:34in many other places.
05:35He is a common friend,
05:36he is not scared at all.
05:37Mr. Nawaz,
05:38you can ask that question too.
05:39I will do it.
05:40Mr. Chand,
05:41today,
05:42you wrote a very good column,
05:43in which you said,
05:44a national government should be formed.
05:45In that,
05:46you said,
05:47two people should remain,
05:48Mr. Zardari,
05:49Mr. Nawaz Sharif,
05:50and your former leader,
05:51Bani PTI,
05:52Mr. Imran Khan.
05:53And,
05:54they should sit down.
05:55If they don't have confidence in a person,
05:56they should be rejected from the Supreme Court,
05:57full court.
05:58They should be nominated.
05:59They should be given one year's time.
06:00They should be reformed.
06:01They should be reformed in the election commission.
06:02So,
06:03we should move towards a new election.
06:04That is the only way forward.
06:05Obviously,
06:06you have met your former leader,
06:07and,
06:08he respects you a lot.
06:09So,
06:10in this work,
06:11you too,
06:12at some level,
06:13would you like to contribute?
06:14If you are being told,
06:15go and meet someone else.
06:16I mean,
06:17your former Prime Minister,
06:18is in jail.
06:19So,
06:20Mr. Nawaz,
06:21what do you think?
06:22I,
06:23I will tell you the truth.
06:24I think that,
06:25I don't know about the national party yet.
06:26The party,
06:27which it agrees on,
06:28or,
06:29which it doesn't agree on,
06:30should be activated.
06:31But,
06:32the challenges of the country,
06:33in terms of Balochistan,
06:34KPK,
06:35Pata,
06:36and Desh-e-Karbi,
06:37especially.
06:38So,
06:39I think,
06:40at this time,
06:41there should be a common thought,
06:42and,
06:43I am not saying a government.
06:44I am saying,
06:45there should be a common thought,
06:46and,
06:47there should be a national government.
06:48There is no harm in that.
06:49And,
06:50we have to see,
06:51at this time,
06:52we cannot afford this fight.
06:53We should sit down,
06:54and discuss the crisis of this country.
06:55And,
06:56all the stakeholders should meet.
06:57When all the stakeholders
06:58meet,
06:59we will see the situation in six months.
07:00Otherwise,
07:01this country,
07:02in terms of this fight,
07:03cannot be reformed.
07:04You can make me the Prime Minister,
07:05I can run it too.
07:06You can make Atal Yug,
07:07you can come,
07:08you can make anyone.
07:09This is a very big challenge.
07:10At this time,
07:11I think,
07:12the people's party
07:13can play such a role,
07:14that justice can be served.
07:15What is the outcome
07:16of yesterday's two meetings?
07:17Mr. Chaudhary,
07:18yesterday,
07:19there was a meeting
07:20with your PM.
07:21Yes,
07:22in Punjab.
07:23But,
07:24it is a meeting of the Coordination Committee.
07:25Again,
07:26it is on the 24th.
07:27It is on the 24th.
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