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"Is Wakht Siyasat Nahi Nahi Horahi Raajneeti ka Khail Chal Raha Hai..." Faisal Vawda's Analysis
"Imran Khan Ko Sazish Kay Tehat Pagal Karar Dene ki koshish Ki Jarahi Hai." Faisal Vawda's Statement
"Pakistan mein jail se iqtedar mein pohanchana..." - Faisal Vawda
"Imran Khan ki zindagi bachanay ke liye mujhe haath pair jorne pare to joronga..." - Faisal Vawda
"Bani PTI Maqbool Tareen Leader Hain, Is Main Koi Shak Nahi..." Senator Faisal Vawda
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"Is Wakht Siyasat Nahi Nahi Horahi Raajneeti ka Khail Chal Raha Hai..." Faisal Vawda's Analysis
"Imran Khan Ko Sazish Kay Tehat Pagal Karar Dene ki koshish Ki Jarahi Hai." Faisal Vawda's Statement
"Pakistan mein jail se iqtedar mein pohanchana..." - Faisal Vawda
"Imran Khan ki zindagi bachanay ke liye mujhe haath pair jorne pare to joronga..." - Faisal Vawda
"Bani PTI Maqbool Tareen Leader Hain, Is Main Koi Shak Nahi..." Senator Faisal Vawda
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, welcome to the program.
00:14Viewers, on 24 November, the call of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf, on 26 November, Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf
00:20staff reached Jinnah Avenue, Islamabad in a reasonable number.
00:26On the night of 26 and 27, he was operated and sent back.
00:33Since then, the debate on the media is revolving around two points.
00:39On the one hand, the government's claim that what they did,
00:43how they dealt with the upcoming protest,
00:48and on the other hand, Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf is presenting its statements
00:53that what treatment was given to them by the state of Pakistan.
00:58Different objections have been raised on the political scene of Pakistan.
01:03And today, we have met Barrister Gohar Sahib,
01:08who is obviously the acting chairman of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf, with Bani PTI.
01:13We met with Khan Sahib.
01:15When he came out after the meeting,
01:18we saw that conspiracy theories were circulating in the market for the last 4-5 days.
01:27There was a lot of talk about it.
01:29Bani PTI was shifted to GHQ.
01:31They were sent to Pindi.
01:33Some people were sent to a famous jail in Balochistan.
01:37They were not well.
01:39Gas was added to their rooms.
01:41There was talk of a fish jail.
01:43Barrister Gohar said that he is absolutely healthy.
01:47There is no such problem.
01:50And he has talked about party matters.
01:54And whatever the future strategy will be,
01:57Bani PTI will also give guidance on it.
02:00Now, to talk about all these matters,
02:04we have invited Senator Faisal Wada,
02:06the current independent senator of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
02:11He is currently in the upper house of Pakistan.
02:14These days, he has the most information.
02:18Both inside and outside the house.
02:21Who is playing what role in Pakistan's politics.
02:26And most of the time, his predictions are correct.
02:29Now, today we will learn from him,
02:31that the statement that we have heard,
02:34in the language of Barrister Gohar,
02:36that Bani PTI has instructed the party,
02:39that if the government itself calls the Senate and National Assembly session, then fine.
02:43Otherwise, call the requisitioners and talk to them.
02:46First, let us listen to what Barrister Gohar has to say.
02:49We have met Mr. Khan in Diyala Jail today.
02:55There was a protest.
02:57And at that time, for the first time,
02:59there was a debate on the events that took place.
03:02Mr. Khan did not know what happened on the 20th.
03:07Mr. Khan's message is that
03:10you requisition the National Assembly session.
03:13You have to requisition the Senate session as well.
03:16You have to take this matter seriously.
03:19We will announce the next action later.
03:23We will join Mr. Chaudhary Gulam from Lahore in a while.
03:26He is stuck in some traffic.
03:28He is with me in the Islamabad studio.
03:31Step by step.
03:32Welcome to the show, Mr. Senator.
03:34Let's go.
03:35First of all, we are talking about the number of deaths.
03:41A while ago, we were seeing that the government is saying
03:45that neither was there a bullet, nor was live ammunition used,
03:48nor was there any death.
03:50At least the law enforcers are responsible.
03:54On the other hand, we are seeing that the local media,
03:57today we are reading the column of Mr. Ahmed Mir,
04:00the other day we were reading the column of Mr. Aswail Varai,
04:02the other day we were reading the column of Mr. Tariq Khosla,
04:05and the other day we were reading the report of the international media.
04:08Everyone has a different figure.
04:12My question to you is that,
04:14on one hand, we will talk in detail about the strategy
04:17that Pakistan has adopted.
04:19The government has mismanaged this protest in your view,
04:22you are a member of the government,
04:24their strategy was right,
04:26they were allowed to come here first,
04:28and then they were told to leave.
04:31Thank you very much, Mr. Govind.
04:33Mr. Govind, as far as the deaths are concerned,
04:36the PTI's propaganda campaign is very strong.
04:39You will have to accept this.
04:41And in this, whether one person has died,
04:45or has been martyred, or has been hanged,
04:48for us, any person's life,
04:50even if it is just one, is very important.
04:52Whether it is a soldier's, a ranger's,
04:54or an ordinary worker's, it is very relevant.
04:56So for us, the sad part is that even if it is one,
04:59it is not the numbers.
05:01Numbers are not important.
05:03Even if it is just one,
05:05whose stupidity is it?
05:07Whose stubbornness is it?
05:09What was the need to do it?
05:11Number one.
05:13Number two is that,
05:15if you talk about counter-strategy,
05:17how the government tackled it,
05:19then under 245, the army was behind.
05:21In the last year, the army was ahead.
05:23Everyone respects the army,
05:25and it should be respected.
05:27What was the need to achieve?
05:29You have to start from here.
05:31Was it a loss?
05:33It was a loss.
05:35It was a huge loss.
05:37It was a loss to the party,
05:39it was a loss to Pakistan,
05:41and most of all,
05:43it was a loss to Mr. Imran Khan.
05:45His hardships increased.
05:47It didn't decrease.
05:49And the game of power,
05:51wealth, and life-threatening
05:53is being played by Mr. Imran Khan,
05:55and if you ask me,
05:57I was the federal minister
05:59when Mr. Imran Khan was in government.
06:01There are many ways to address
06:03protests and all these issues.
06:05And you did a lot of things.
06:07During Maulana's time,
06:09I was with the cabinet,
06:11and my suggestion was to give him a place.
06:13And I had already said on your show
06:15that he should ask the government
06:17for a place and the government
06:19should give him a replacement
06:21and he should go there and protest.
06:23But unfortunately,
06:25it didn't happen.
06:27First of all,
06:29D-Chowk was a prohibited place.
06:31They shouldn't have proposed it.
06:33Before that,
06:35Mr. Imran Khan was ready.
06:37He was the leader.
06:39When he was ready,
06:41no one dared to sabotage him.
06:43Sabotage means
06:45that Mr. Imran Khan's intentions
06:47were different.
06:49The story was different.
06:51We don't care
06:53who Mr. Imran Khan marries.
06:55He was our leader.
06:57We learned a lot from him.
06:59But I won't let
07:01Mr. Imran Khan die.
07:03I will do what I can.
07:05Even the government
07:07will stop this.
07:09The problem is that
07:11Mr. Imran Khan's voter supporter
07:13is not my voter supporter.
07:15We were not leaders.
07:17We should have clarity.
07:19Mr. Imran Khan was a politician
07:21for 22 years.
07:23He married Jamayma Bibi.
07:25Jamayma Bibi is a billionaire
07:27in dollars, not rupees.
07:29When they got divorced,
07:31according to British law,
07:33he should get half of Imran Khan's property.
07:35He refused.
07:37If a person refuses
07:39Rs. 10 lakhs,
07:41he will steal Rs. 1000.
07:43You can get Rs. 10 lakhs
07:45and steal Rs. 1000.
07:47You can get Rs. 10 lakhs
07:49and steal Rs. 10 lakhs.
07:51She is a billionaire.
07:53She is a great woman.
07:55Now,
07:57Imran Khan has
07:59got all the work done.
08:01Unfortunately, he has signed.
08:03He has given a watch worth Rs. 190 million.
08:05But the beneficiary of all this
08:07is not Imran Khan's children,
08:09Kasim and Suleiman.
08:11Now you will tell me
08:13that he has committed a crime.
08:15The beneficiary is his wife.
08:17Gogi gang was not Imran Khan's friend.
08:19She was the wife of Ayn Mimkaf.
08:21The beneficiary was not my father.
08:23Similarly,
08:25all the cases of anti-corruption
08:27were not mine.
08:29The businessmen who were dealing
08:31according to DGIS,
08:33the video and audio evidence
08:35given by Asim Muniz,
08:37were given by Bibi, not me.
08:39Then to stop them,
08:41all this happened on 9th.
08:43Why did I protest?
08:45I did not have any fight with them.
08:47Imran Khan was 22 years old.
08:49I am 15 years old.
08:51I did not see him against the army.
08:53I did not see him against the judiciary.
08:55I did not see him against Pakistan.
08:57I did not protest.
08:59It was our right.
09:01I did not see him against the army.
09:03I did not talk about theft.
09:05He had a good face
09:07and a good heart.
09:09Keep it clear.
09:11He could not understand
09:13the politics of violence.
09:15He could not understand
09:17that he was a thief.
09:19I had a fight with him.
09:21Even today,
09:23Imran Khan is being made
09:25a spokesman for him.
09:27Qasim Suri,
09:29who was made a deputy speaker
09:31of Imran Khan,
09:33started a campaign
09:35not to stop DGIS,
09:37but to make him crazy.
09:39We will meet you later.
09:41Sir, one more thing.
09:43No one came forward
09:45to take PTI's starboard.
09:47I came forward.
09:49I am taking Imran Khan
09:51to the place
09:53where he was taken
09:55to make him crazy.
09:57I am taking Imran Khan
09:59to the place
10:01where he was taken
10:03to make him crazy.
10:05I am taking Imran Khan
10:07to the place
10:09where he was taken
10:11to make him crazy.
10:13Imran Khan's problems
10:15are beenernlg
10:17due to his twitter.
10:19What he is trying to say
10:21whichgs is
10:23bad?
10:25Why are you
10:27undermining him?
10:29Okay, let's come back.
10:31last week I saw
10:33political eye coverage
10:35Along with PTI core players.
10:37Core players.
10:38Now the question that arises here is that we have heard a lot of statements on this
10:43from Pakistan Muslim League Noon, the government, PDM-1 and the Mujaddah government
10:48that it has committed a lot of theft, it has earned a lot of money,
10:52in Punjab it has appointed a chief minister, it has done a lot of corruption with the chief minister and Buzar.
10:58Till now we have not come across any case of prosecution in that regard.
11:03And the second and the most important question, I will combine both of them and go to your answer,
11:08that it is more than my understanding that Bani PTI has said that Sanjani should leave,
11:14all the leadership, and she has become so powerful that she has said that no,
11:19Bani PTI's statement will also not work, your statement will also not work,
11:23and you will follow me and we will go to D-Chowk, and then all this.
11:27In my opinion, this is a very big conspiracy.
11:29Your statement is 100% correct, there are 1, 5, 10, 12, 15 martyrs,
11:35obviously 3 rangers have been martyred, a police officer has been martyred,
11:40there are some unconfirmed reports here, obviously there have been deaths,
11:46no matter what the number is, it is a sad incident for the whole country,
11:50and we have lost our courage in front of the world.
11:52So, has Bursha Bibi become so powerful that the whole party is against her?
11:59You have asked a very good question, Mr. Govind.
12:01Look, Mr. Govind, when we were in the party, we did not speak in respect.
12:05The whole issue is that whatever I am saying, I can say wrong, I can lie, I can go to Jaddah.
12:10Assume for a minute, Imran Khan's sisters will say what I am saying.
12:13Imran Khan's sisters have been continuously saying that.
12:15We have never seen any interference from the sisters.
12:17We did not have the permission to entertain anyone in the party.
12:20Neither did we have this manly politics that a father, a son, a daughter comes and tells a story.
12:24We used to make fun of people standing in the court.
12:26I will give you the first signal, that the whole leadership of the party was gone.
12:30There was no one.
12:32The first sign of the game you should get is that the big hair,
12:36the bad man, the bird's heart is kept inside, the ring is worn, the tabla is played.
12:41All those tablachis are gone.
12:45In D-Chowk, the wife said, I will go, I will be the last one.
12:49Assume for a minute that she is very sympathetic, she is very supreme.
12:52Assume for a minute that she is in the reservation.
12:54Sir, why didn't she go ahead?
12:56When she didn't go, you left the people to be killed, to be arrested.
13:00After that you sat in the car.
13:02You left.
13:03You said, then the sister made fun of me, which I broke.
13:05Her sister, Mrs. Vattu, she came and said,
13:09my sister was raped and taken by force and she did not want to go, she wanted to leave.
13:13Then the next day you saw the CCTV footage, she was sitting in the car.
13:16Then you said the car's tyre was punctured.
13:17She was caught lying.
13:18Then you said that chemical was thrown on the car.
13:20Jio has a program where the spokesperson will be suspended, whoever the woman is.
13:23Chemical was thrown, chemical was thrown.
13:25She sat on the glass.
13:26She sat and left.
13:27She did this, like a superman.
13:29From 007, the fire started.
13:31Sir, you should remember that we are all humans.
13:34We are all weak too.
13:36Shahnawaz Bhutto is an example.
13:38Clinton, super power.
13:40President, acting.
13:42He went to the hands of a woman.
13:44How many more controversies are there,
13:46in which people have drowned.
13:48This, this, this.
13:50You will understand, this is not politics.
13:52This is the game of politics.
13:54Rajwada, which is called.
13:56This is the war of Rajwada,
13:58in which the father will eat the son,
14:00the son will eat the wife, the son will eat the mother.
14:02This is the game going on.
14:03And I am explaining to you again and again that my words.
14:05Okay, you said a very good thing,
14:07that Faisal, nothing has been proven.
14:09Now I will answer that.
14:11Sir, in the history of 75 years,
14:13the cases of Shahnawaz Sharif,
14:15the story of his CM house,
14:17the case of Naeem,
14:19zero.
14:21Before that, the People's Party, zero.
14:23Before that, MGM, zero.
14:25PTI, zero.
14:27In corruption, neither the pay order is paid,
14:29nor the murder is recorded.
14:31All this is done from the top.
14:33The day you become sincere,
14:35the day you become sincere,
14:37your prosecution will be strong.
14:39You stand for 3 lakhs of lawyers,
14:41they stand for 3 crores of lawyers.
14:43So, in comparison,
14:45if Mr. Gubal comes in front of me
14:47and interviews you on camera,
14:49then sir, I will achieve TRPs by far.
14:51Your skills are different,
14:53his skills are different,
14:55his skills are different,
14:57my skills are different.
14:59You will make an incompetent person
15:01out of him.
15:03Mr. Gubal, I have an interest,
15:05I am going to PTI.
15:07I have no interest in going to PTI.
15:09My disagreement,
15:11I spoke to Mr. Ibrahim Khan
15:132.5 years ago,
15:15was on this policy.
15:17I never spoke to Mr. Ibrahim Khan
15:19personally.
15:21You know about the record.
15:23I can disagree with Mr. Ibrahim Khan,
15:25but I will not let Mr. Ibrahim Khan
15:27sacrifice his life.
15:29First of all, I would like to say
15:31what Mr. Wada just said.
15:33Look, this is not about the future
15:35of a political party.
15:37The future of 25 crores of Pakistan's
15:39people is at stake.
15:41Obviously, when there is a political
15:43instability in the country,
15:45then the situation will get worse.
15:47Mr. Chaudhary, please ask your question.
15:49Then Hassan will also ask his question.
15:51First of all, I would like to disagree
15:53with Mr. Faisal Wada
15:55or agree with him.
15:57Whatever he thinks is right,
15:59he says.
16:01Whether we like it or we don't like it.
16:03And let's talk openly.
16:05Having said this,
16:07the first thing is that
16:09a big party has a mandate.
16:11Without that, how will you
16:13bring stability in the country?
16:15The economy cannot run without
16:17political stability.
16:19Everyone knows this.
16:21So first answer this.
16:23After that, you tell me
16:25whether there is a popular leader
16:27or not.
16:29There are always rumors about him.
16:31What will you do about it?
16:33And third,
16:35your rulers,
16:37the other nations,
16:39G5, G6,
16:41I don't know where they are going.
16:43What environment have you created here?
16:45Will economic activity be generated
16:47while they are here?
16:49And will the business move forward or
16:51will it go down?
16:53Mr. Gopal,
16:55Mr. Chaudhary is our senior.
16:59He is right about popularity.
17:01There is no denial of anyone.
17:03There should be reasons for its popularity.
17:05One is their own popularity.
17:07And the other is the
17:09hatred of the nation for this setup.
17:11People are not happy
17:13with this medium setup.
17:15So that popularity also
17:17increases here.
17:19It is a case of clarity.
17:21The game of power is the
17:23last game.
17:25After that, it will go down.
17:27I am telling you very clearly.
17:29There are some rumors,
17:31some narratives are being made,
17:33some things are not to be sold.
17:35Second thing is,
17:37how will the economic activity be?
17:39People like it, people don't like it.
17:41Whether they like it or not,
17:43it depends on the SIFC.
17:45You have two things to sell in Pakistan.
17:47One is your army
17:49and the other is your army chief.
17:51You are taking its credibility
17:53internationally.
17:55If you say it is the credibility of the democracy,
17:57I will say it is a minus.
17:59I am very clear.
18:01Whether you like it or not,
18:03the fact will remain a fact.
18:05We will call only the good things good.
18:07Secondly, this situation is being created
18:09in which the government has come out
18:11and tried to give the impression
18:13that the army and the movement
18:15are standing in front of us.
18:17Because the army is neither against
18:19nor with anyone.
18:21It is under the law.
18:23And for that, you have to provide
18:25a provision that there is no other way.
18:27And I think, Mr. Imran Khan,
18:29from your point of view,
18:31this is a very good thing.
18:33As I have known him for 15 years,
18:35he has beamed down and realized
18:37what is happening to him.
18:39What are the people of his party doing?
18:41His statement today
18:43is 180 degrees different
18:45from what people expect.
18:47And I think this is a positive decision.
18:49This is a good decision.
18:51Let's take this forward.
18:53If we talk about politicians
18:55versus politicians,
18:57if you don't like Shahbaz Sharif,
18:59for example,
19:01and if you talk about Shahbaz Sharif,
19:03then talk about Shahbaz Sharif
19:05in the other quarters
19:07and the books that are going on.
19:09It is a good strategy.
19:11It is a good start.
19:13Mr. Mohammad Khan,
19:15Mr. Ali Zafar,
19:17these are good faces,
19:19sincere faces.
19:21These are not the people
19:23who will put Imran Khan's body
19:25and Imran Khan in jail.
19:27If I have a disagreement,
19:29if there are two or more people,
19:31I will openly say two or more.
19:33I don't care.
19:35It is a positive decision.
19:37It is a good decision.
19:39We should take this forward.
19:41We should take five steps back
19:43against the army.
19:45We should take steps that
19:47are bad.
19:49If things don't work out today,
19:51then your politics, power
19:53and most importantly,
19:55saving Imran Khan's life
19:57should ensure that he opens his eyes
19:59so that he can take his decisions
20:01in his own hands as always.
20:03When he does that,
20:05things will start to get better.
20:07I would like to explain
20:09As far as I can understand, until Imran Khan does not make a public apology on 9th May,
20:18matters cannot move forward.
20:20There is a deadlock here.
20:22Mr. Faisal Wada, you can say whatever you want.
20:24I respect him, but I disagree.
20:26Secondly, I would like to talk about the death toll.
20:31So much propaganda has been done.
20:35So many old videos and pictures have been tweeted by the PTI through the official Twitter handle.
20:43To mislead people.
20:45And they showed the picture of AI.
20:49Which was very disappointing.
20:51And they tried to create a kind of embarrassment for Pakistan.
20:57But the truth does not hide, it comes out.
21:01And no one can hide a dead body.
21:04The dead bodies are there.
21:06But the deaths have not happened yet.
21:08So much propaganda has been done.
21:10So imagine, when they were coming for the dead bodies,
21:12and if the dead bodies fall here,
21:14then what would they do?
21:16And how much of a joke would Pakistan have been on this matter?
21:18And the last thing I will say,
21:20regarding popularity,
21:22which Mr. Wada was saying,
21:24that if Punjab is 65% population wise of Pakistan,
21:28if Imran Khan was popular,
21:30then the workers could not leave,
21:32the leadership of the PTI could have left.
21:34If the leadership of the PTI did not leave in Punjab,
21:36then what was the need for the workers to leave?
21:38So much popularity has been left in Punjab.
21:40Anyway, if you still think that they are popular,
21:42then what is your opinion?
21:44Viewers, Hassan has commented on Faisal Wada's remarks.
21:48Before taking a short break,
21:50the conversation that took place today,
21:52about Mr. Ali Gohar,
21:54there were questions asked to him,
21:56whether there is a difference of opinion between the party and the leadership,
21:58is there a fight?
22:01So, what Barrister Gohar said,
22:03he said,
22:05we have received only one order from Bani,
22:07that on this occasion,
22:09you have to remain in the unity of command,
22:11and call for differences,
22:13and you have to move forward with your goal.
22:15Faisal Wada sir,
22:17has been repeating one thing since last week,
22:19that Bani PTI's life is in danger.
22:21Obviously,
22:23in the present National Assembly,
22:25Provincial Assemblies,
22:27we do not know,
22:29but the Vote Bank,
22:31which is presented by the Election Commission of Pakistan,
22:33we have the numbers in front of us,
22:35number of Senators,
22:37number of MNAs,
22:39number of MPAs,
22:41Provincial Assembly, Punjab,
22:43MPAs,
22:45Sindh Assembly, Punjab Assembly,
22:47everywhere,
22:49so he is a leader of a big political party,
22:51so why is his life in danger,
22:53and how is it possible?
22:55He is in jail,
22:57so if he is really in danger,
22:59then how can he be dealt with?
23:01We will find out from Faisal Wada sir,
23:03after the break.
23:07Faisal Wada sir,
23:09Senator Faisal Wada sir,
23:11has been repeating one thing
23:13since last week,
23:15that these people,
23:17the party leadership is sitting outside
23:19of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
23:21they are waiting for Bani PTI's life
23:23to be played with,
23:26and for politics to be played
23:28on top of that.
23:30We will find out from them
23:32what the propaganda is,
23:34what the reality is,
23:36and Bani PTI's wife,
23:38Bushra Bibi,
23:40how she reached Islamabad,
23:42and how she left from here.
23:44Those who are familiar with Islamabad,
23:46there are 3-4 ways to go out,
23:48when there are check posts everywhere,
23:50and yet she left in a big car.
23:52Does she have a hand-in-glove
23:54with Bani PTI?
23:56We will find out from Faisal Wada sir,
23:58after the break.
24:00Yes, Wada sir.
24:02Look, Gopal sir,
24:04as far as you talked about
24:06how this is not possible,
24:08this possibility that exists
24:10all over the world,
24:12like a mirror,
24:14is clear to us.
24:16And what is the dangerous situation
24:18of the country?
24:20What is its history?
24:23You are a popular man,
24:25Mr. Bhutto,
24:27and you were sent from jail
24:29to Iwan.
24:31This is what you have seen
24:33with your own eyes.
24:35I am not telling you anything new.
24:37So when there is such a dangerous
24:39history of this country,
24:41you need to look into it very carefully.
24:43Everyone has got relief till now,
24:45everyone has got power,
24:47but Imran Khan has not got anything.
24:49Tell me, what is there for Imran Khan?
24:51I will go to your program tomorrow
24:53and beg Imran Khan
24:55to forgive me.
24:57Can I compromise?
24:59Will it be done?
25:01No?
25:03This is a war of words
25:05that you should ask for forgiveness.
25:07If your ego
25:09is not satisfied,
25:11you should ask for forgiveness.
25:13This is what happens.
25:15If you are in a problem,
25:17I am Chaudhary and you are Chaudhary,
25:20a wise man says,
25:22you are a great Chaudhary,
25:24let's end this.
25:26Can you resolve this?
25:28I ask Hassan.
25:30It is not that easy,
25:32it has become so complicated
25:34and you have asked a very good question
25:36that how did these people
25:38come out of Islamabad?
25:40Islamabad's CCTV footage
25:42shows that the wife is sitting in the car,
25:44the cars are parked,
25:46but you could not catch her.
25:48I am telling you.
25:50Governments have such arrangements
25:52when you go to Gandapur
25:54and say that we will catch them,
25:56you arrest us.
25:58Now the problem for us is
26:00that if we don't take them,
26:02then the whole issue will be solved.
26:04Then the government plays political games
26:06on the chessboard.
26:08The PTA is also playing political games,
26:10the government is also playing.
26:12I am very clear on that.
26:14If you think that they are supermen
26:16and they have made it dark
26:18and the car is flying,
26:20it is not like that.
26:22Hassan has arrested them.
26:24I said that my information is wrong.
26:26No, no, his information is correct.
26:28Now he has also brushed
26:30against his own information.
26:32I mean, maybe there was hospitality,
26:34I don't know, it is possible.
26:36When he was asked that night,
26:38Waseem Badami asked him three times,
26:40Hassan, what are you saying?
26:42He said,
26:45you are very close,
26:47you are present,
26:49then it is obvious.
26:51Look, Mr. Gopal,
26:53the biggest science is that
26:55I have told you,
26:57you will not remember,
26:59Govt. Raj means one more
27:01stupidity and the government
27:03has been doing such stupidity.
27:05I say that PTA's B-team marketing
27:07is the government.
27:09PTA doesn't perform as much
27:11as the government highlights it.
27:13Now you are moving towards
27:15the bank.
27:17Whether it happens or not,
27:19that is a separate subject.
27:21But you are moving in a hurry.
27:23Why are you blocking the way?
27:25You have made it so difficult on the way.
27:27Now tell me,
27:29when all this happened,
27:31I told you that the meetings with Khan
27:33will be stopped.
27:35So who has gone through the three or four
27:37days of pain?
27:39Neither he, nor I, nor you,
27:42the PTA that goes through the pain,
27:44has gone through the pain.
27:46You are free.
27:48Later, the leader will say,
27:50that the decision was wrong.
27:52Now I am ready that the one
27:54who will meet the B-team will
27:56get Khan to give a speech against me.
27:58Khan will give a speech against me.
28:00But he is my leader.
28:02I am not his supervisor.
28:04I will go against everyone's desires
28:06and save him.
28:08I will not help him,
28:10I am very polite with you.
28:12See, the one who does is a sinner and the one who doesn't do is a sinner.
28:16Don't put the burden of one person on the wife.
28:19The Aayashi wife and her relatives and the Gogi gang and her children and her ex-husbands
28:25don't take her to the grave.
28:27Have mercy on her.
28:29And the matter of sincerity and loyalty, we have read in many histories that
28:33the father killed the son and the son killed the father.
28:36So, all these things, politics and...
28:39When I was in Jawaharlal Nehru's time, when your popularity was picking up,
28:42when my friend said that it is the gauge of popularity that the Punjabi government...
28:47Sir, this is not the gauge of popularity.
28:50It will not come out because they are all compromised.
28:52Those whom the wife has called shameless, shameless donkey,
28:56they are all standing with their hands tied.
28:58I say, in Noor League, in Darbari, the abuse was not heard there either.
29:02Here, even after Ghalib Guru, everyone is standing shamelessly.
29:05There were two men, two women, if not controlled.
29:09But after that discouragement, I will tell you that
29:12the press conference given by Gauhar Sahib today was a good, positive sign.
29:17Yes, it was a positive sign.
29:18Chaudhary Ghulam Singh Sahib,
29:19Now, what I understand from Faisal Wada Sahib's talks is that
29:25he is saying that there is a breakthrough, there is a possibility.
29:28It is just a matter of communication.
29:31That will happen.
29:33And he feels that Khan Sahib is understanding some things.
29:37By the way, Chaudhary Sahib, I also thought that
29:40this meeting could not have been done today.
29:42There have been meetings for a few more days.
29:45And the three people who came after the meeting,
29:48when they came outside, look at their body language.
29:52It is one such thing that after such a big incident,
29:56which according to them is a very big incident,
29:59they were looking hopeful.
30:01Chaudhary Sahib, you can also ask Faisal Wada Sahib.
30:06No, well, if you want to talk about the ultimate,
30:11or for the benefit of the country,
30:13then on Twitter, my old program,
30:19Chaudhary Sahib is saying that the country,
30:22no, Pakistan and the army,
30:25whatever they do against it, hang them.
30:27I still have the same position.
30:29And the people who are busy day and night in this work,
30:33that the army and the people,
30:35when the people have 20 crores,
30:37then how can you ignore that?
30:39So you have to take the people and the army to one page.
30:45You don't come to that, instead of fighting.
30:48That Punjab has come out.
30:50There is no use of such things.
30:52Faisal Wada Sahib, I think his position is right.
30:55That these two forces,
30:58without the armed forces,
31:00the existence of Pakistan is in danger.
31:02I am with them on this.
31:06Number two.
31:07And putting these two forces,
31:09the public and political forces,
31:11and the army forces on one page,
31:14this is the duty of people like Faisal Wada and Khawar Gumban.
31:20Wada Sahib.
31:21Look, Mr. Gumbat,
31:22I will tell you one thing,
31:24when it comes to Mr. Imran Khan's life,
31:26I will also talk to Bilawal Sahib.
31:28I will also talk to Mr. Zardari.
31:30I will also talk to the big government.
31:33To save his life,
31:34I will have to go to Maulana Sahib,
31:36I will also go there.
31:37I will have to go to the foreign door.
31:39I will go there.
31:40If there is a problem somewhere else,
31:41I will also go there.
31:42To save Mr. Imran Khan's life,
31:44we have to make every effort we can.
31:47As far as politics is concerned,
31:49Mr. Gumbat was right,
31:51political issues are on the political table,
31:53and making everyone sit is a wonderful thing.
31:56It is very easy to make people fight,
31:58it is very easy to set fire to a fire,
32:00but it is a loss.
32:01One person died,
32:02six people died,
32:03a ranger was martyred,
32:04a worker was martyred,
32:05he was our brother,
32:06our child.
32:07There was mourning in that house.
32:08On 24th November,
32:09the happiness of that house was drowned in darkness.
32:11This happened on 9th May as well.
32:13On 9th May,
32:14beautiful, innocent children,
32:1520, 22 years old,
32:1624 years old,
32:1725 years old,
32:18died.
32:19Their lives were ruined.
32:20They were brought up,
32:21they were brainwashed,
32:22whatever happened to them,
32:23those children were not terrorists.
32:24We have to play a role for them as well.
32:26We have to do everything,
32:28if a terrorist does something,
32:30we give him a lot of punishments.
32:32But we have to make a way for forgiveness
32:34for the one who set fire to the house.
32:36We have to do it.
32:37We have to go there.
32:38There is a way to cool everyone's anger.
32:41No encouragement is given.
32:43When you give encouragement,
32:45everyone's anger goes to one person.
32:48And Bibi's politics,
32:50Bibi has ruined Ibrahim Khan.
32:52Since Bibi has come,
32:53unfortunately,
32:54this party and Ibrahim Khan,
32:56there was no change at all.
32:58He was not an egg-eater,
32:59he studied in Oxford.
33:01He was a man who brought double university in the whole world.
33:03Celebrity, star.
33:05He understood the world economy.
33:07He has fallen to this extent,
33:08he has lost his thinking,
33:09he has lost his memory,
33:10because he has been played by lobbies.
33:12Please understand him.
33:14He spoke at 1 o'clock,
33:15he was from the same lobby.
33:16You went from the same lobby,
33:17you spoke at 2 o'clock,
33:18I spoke at 4 o'clock,
33:19the driver spoke at 6 o'clock,
33:20the milkman spoke at 9 o'clock,
33:21while putting him to bed,
33:22he spoke at 11 o'clock.
33:23He is a human being.
33:24That white wall has also started to turn black.
33:26And wherever there is a balance of power,
33:28where there are power colliders,
33:30this devil,
33:31even today,
33:32even before this,
33:33and in the future,
33:34he comes to every party in dowry.
33:36He fits in.
33:37And there is a gag of 7-8,
33:39which brings the whole leadership.
33:42Why did I say that it is very important
33:44to talk to Mr. Bilal Khan first?
33:46Because he went through all this.
33:48He saw the martyrdom of Mr. Bhutto,
33:50he saw the martyrdom of Mr. Bhutto,
33:51he saw the martyrdom of Mr. Bhutto,
33:52he saw the martyrdom of Mr. Bhutto,
33:53he saw the martyrdom of his mother.
33:54His pain,
33:55or his vision,
33:56is better than all of us.
33:58Absolutely right.
33:59After a short break,
34:00Hassan has to ask a question,
34:02and Mr. Fazl Bahr will talk
34:04about all these matters.
34:07Welcome back.
34:08Hassan, you wanted to ask a question.
34:10The question is very simple.
34:12First of all,
34:13what are the dangers of Imran Khan's life
34:15from his own party?
34:17What are the dangers of his life
34:19from his own party?
34:20The second question is,
34:21because he is safe in Adela.
34:23The second thing is,
34:24will Imran Khan be ready to talk to you?
34:27And the third and last thing is,
34:29will the current leadership
34:31tolerate you?
34:33Will the current leadership
34:35tolerate you,
34:36especially Mr. Murad Saeed?
34:38How will it be solved?
34:40That's a smart question.
34:42But the party did not tolerate me
34:44even for 15 years when I was in the party.
34:46And I had always kept them in their place.
34:48I had kept them in their place
34:49because Mr. Khan sent me to them.
34:50It was his kindness.
34:52So there should be a lot of clarity.
34:54People like us,
34:55Jahangir Kareem,
34:56were thrown out.
34:57Who had a say in that?
34:58The wife.
34:59Ali Khan was handcuffed.
35:00Money,
35:01love,
35:02respect,
35:03pain,
35:04everything was taken from her.
35:05The wife.
35:06I was morally,
35:07financially,
35:08emotionally
35:09with Mr. Khan.
35:10The wife could not overcome me.
35:12But the situation was such
35:13that I had to throw her out.
35:14But I said the same thing
35:15that I am saying even today.
35:16The second thing is,
35:17they said that
35:18I only told you in Adela Jail.
35:19You only told me that
35:20this is in Adela Jail.
35:21This is a story.
35:22Propaganda is being made
35:23that DHP will go.
35:24It is a secret.
35:25It is a secret
35:26that they will take her from here
35:27and go there.
35:28They are telling the public.
35:29The second thing is,
35:30see,
35:31Dham, Darood and Marood
35:32are given to us.
35:34Some give curd,
35:35some give rice,
35:36some give water.
35:37Now you can't stop me
35:38if my wife comes and tells me
35:39to leave the coffee
35:40and give me a glass of water.
35:41You can't stop me.
35:42I drank it.
35:43I said,
35:44you are fit.
35:45That is the way.
35:46We have pre-empted it.
35:47We have explained it to you.
35:48So now,
35:49the important thing is
35:50that they should
35:51choke all the places
35:52where these possibilities are.
35:53That they should protect it.
35:54That is the important thing.
35:55The priority.
35:56The third thing is,
35:57see,
35:58Mr. Ibrahim Khan abused me.
35:59He abused me.
36:00I am not interested in him.
36:01I want to save his life.
36:02I don't want to argue with him.
36:03I don't want to wait.
36:04He can talk to you.
36:05He can talk to his hands.
36:06He can talk to anyone.
36:07He can do it.
36:08We can do the best
36:09we can to save his life.
36:10We are saving his life.
36:11And one more thing
36:12is very important,
36:13Mr. Gupat.
36:14The state,
36:15the state
36:16is not against
36:17Mr. Ibrahim Khan
36:18at all.
36:19Nor is he against
36:20any other democratic person.
36:21The work of the state
36:22is going on
36:23according to
36:24the law.
36:25It is going on
36:26as it is.
36:27Please don't involve
36:28the position.
36:29Please.
36:30Please don't involve
36:31lack of interest.
36:32I hope that
36:33the matters going to be sought
36:34in Pakistan
36:35improve.
36:36God willing,
36:37we will meet again tomorrow.
36:38Goodbye.