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00:00Today's Our Times
00:02Today's Our Times is brought to you by these three.
00:05I'm sure you two are used to being on a show like this.
00:10I've never been on a show like this before.
00:12This is my second time on TV.
00:15It's hard for me to be on a show like this.
00:17It's the same for me, too.
00:19But I'm a little older, and I don't talk much.
00:25Oh, I see.
00:27I'm sorry.
00:28Do you think I'm a burden to you two?
00:30No, not at all.
00:31That's why I think I have to fulfill my role.
00:34I have to bring out Ryusei Yokohama and Michihito Fujii,
00:38who are unknown to the public.
00:40Not at all. I'm with you.
00:42With me?
00:43Before Ryusei came, he asked me what mode I was in.
00:46Oh, I see.
00:47I told him that I was tired from Taiga,
00:49and that if I stayed still, I would have to raise him by myself.
00:53No, no, no.
00:54You don't have to worry about that.
00:57You don't talk much, do you?
00:59No, I don't.
01:01But today, as a challenge...
01:04As a challenge?
01:05I'd like to make Ryusei talk.
01:07Ryusei has grown up.
01:09Oh, I see.
01:11This week's movie, Shotai.
01:14A suspect in the murder case played by Ryusei Yokohama, Kaburagi,
01:19has escaped the death sentence.
01:21It's a fugitive drama that continues to spread all over the country.
01:26This film was directed by...
01:29film director and screenwriter Hito Fujii.
01:33He has won the Japan Academy Award for Best Picture,
01:36and has directed many hit films,
01:38including the newspaper article,
01:40Yomei Junen, Seishun Juhachi Kakeru ni Kimi e to Tsuzuku Michi,
01:43and many more.
01:46And the original director of Shotai, Tamehito Somei.
01:50He was the producer of entertainment, stage and musicals,
01:54and made his debut as a novelist in 2017's Warui Natsu.
01:58This film was also screened,
02:00and he is one of the most popular novelists now.
02:04When making Shotai,
02:06the original director, Tamehito Somei,
02:08had a close communication with Yokohama and Fujii.
02:13I've never been so close to a director
02:17in a drama or a movie like this.
02:23It was a strange connection.
02:26There aren't many opportunities
02:29to have a flat conversation with the original director.
02:32There aren't many.
02:34Also, there are a lot of publishers
02:37who come to our office.
02:40About 10 people come to our office,
02:42and it's hard to talk to them.
02:44But Mr. Somei is quite old,
02:46and he came to our office very flatly.
02:50It was big.
02:52I felt a lot of love and respect for Shotai.
02:58I felt a lot of determination.
03:01That's why I didn't feel like
03:04I had to do this or that.
03:06I felt like I was a real customer.
03:08When I saw it, I was like,
03:10wow, this is how they made it.
03:12There aren't many people
03:14who leave it to you, right?
03:16I don't think so.
03:18A lot of people came up with the idea of Shotai.
03:23That's right.
03:25I don't want to follow those people,
03:28but I feel like I have to be a leader.
03:31It's strange to say I have to be a leader,
03:34but I wonder what that pressure is like.
03:37Speaking of which, it was four years ago
03:40that Shotai started to move.
03:43At that time,
03:45Mr. Fujii said,
03:47let's do it with Ryusei.
03:50At that time,
03:52the members didn't get together.
03:54That's why we really helped each other.
03:57I feel that it is a work that
04:00has become one of the culmination
04:02because it is now.
04:16Shotai and Ryusei
04:34When I first met Ryusei,
04:36he was still in his teens and was a mischievous boy.
04:41It's been years since the last time I saw him.
04:43He was the leader of the group.
04:45Morimoto and Shintaro were like,
04:47don't worry, just keep going.
04:49They were following him.
04:51When I saw that,
04:53I thought, wow, he's grown up.
04:55What was the first meeting
04:57you two had?
04:59Do you remember?
05:01It was the opening of
05:03a movie called All One.
05:05Ryusei was in a different part.
05:07He was an omnibus.
05:09I was the director of another part.
05:11The opening was
05:13a big event.
05:15Everyone was excited.
05:17Everyone was singing
05:19karaoke at that time.
05:21I was sitting there
05:23with a tone of
05:25never singing.
05:27I wasn't used to it.
05:29I was wondering
05:31if I was a little dull.
05:33Other people were gorgeous,
05:35but everyone was amazing.
05:37Oh, so that's how it started.
05:39And then you decided to do something together.
05:41Yes, a few days later,
05:43there was a movie called On the Way Home,
05:47and I auditioned for it.
05:49I got accepted.
05:51And you were like, oh!
05:53Yes, so we reunited,
05:55and I was cast for the movie.
05:57How old were you, Ryusei?
05:59I was around 19.
06:01So that was a long time ago.
06:03Yes, about 7 or 8 years ago.
06:05I wonder what it's like to be in your 30s.
06:07I can't imagine.
06:11When we first met,
06:13we didn't think
06:15we would end up like this.
06:17No, we didn't.
06:19We were like,
06:21let's be famous!
06:23Yes, let's be famous!
06:25That's how it was.
06:27Oh, so that's how it is now.
06:29Yes.
06:31You two are like brothers now.
06:33Yes, we're like brothers.
06:35You know, I was there
06:37for the audition.
06:39At that time,
06:41Fujii-san stopped me so many times.
06:43What did he do?
06:45He cut me off,
06:47and I couldn't say yes.
06:49I just saw his back,
06:51and that's it.
06:53He did that so many times.
06:55I didn't understand.
06:57I was like, what's the difference?
06:59But Ryusei-kun didn't make a bad face.
07:01He was trying to express
07:03what he was thinking.
07:05When I was watching
07:07their conversation,
07:09I was like, wow,
07:11they really have a relationship.
07:13They have a bond.
07:15That's what I thought.
07:17Isamu-san,
07:19you used to be in the entertainment industry.
07:21How did you
07:23become a novelist?
07:25I'm curious about that.
07:27The entertainment industry
07:29is full of energy.
07:31Good and bad.
07:33In order to work in it,
07:35you have to have
07:37some energy.
07:39But in my 20s,
07:41I was full of energy.
07:43But in my 30s,
07:45I couldn't be full of energy.
07:47I was very busy
07:49at that time.
07:51I had the opposite idea.
07:53I wanted to do something
07:55that I could do alone.
07:57I had no choice
07:59but to draw or write.
08:01That's how I became
08:03a novelist.
08:05It's strange
08:07when I think about it now.
08:09I was working normally
08:11when I was 32 or 33.
08:13Suddenly, I became a novelist.
08:15It's a little strange
08:17when I think about it now.
08:19But at that time,
08:21I felt like I could be a novelist.
08:23It's strange.
08:25Did you have time to write?
08:27No, I didn't.
08:29It took me two years
08:31to write my first debut novel.
08:33I couldn't finish it
08:35until the end.
08:37I felt like I could
08:39finish it,
08:41so I applied
08:43and got an award.
08:45If you weren't a movie director
08:47or an actor,
08:49what would you do?
08:51I'd be an idol.
08:53Stay away from me.
08:55Okay.
08:57Stay away from me.
08:59That's the worst.
09:01You used to sing
09:03when you ate.
09:05I couldn't do it at all.
09:07I'd go ahead.
09:09I think I like
09:11business meals.
09:13Business meals and
09:15entertainment managers.
09:17I think I'm confident
09:19that I can do things.
09:21I don't want to be a business manager.
09:23I'd ask them to
09:25use my son.
09:27I'd ask them to leave him alone.
09:29It's hard not to sell,
09:31and it's hard to sell.
09:33You have to be with him
09:35all the time.
09:37If I get fired,
09:39I'll be in the second part.
09:41I'll be in the star game.
09:43I'll be a good manager.
09:45That's scary.
09:47If Fujimiji comes to the theater,
09:49he'll be wearing an umbrella.
09:51What was that?
09:53Say it again.
09:57I don't know.
09:59My father is a carpenter,
10:01so I think I'll be a carpenter.
10:03He's a craftsman.
10:05He seems to be very particular.
10:07I didn't ask him to do that.
10:09That's true.
10:11He's cool.
10:13I got a lot of messages saying
10:15I got a protest.
10:17I'm going to shoot a boxing movie.
10:19I'm going to practice.
10:21I'm going to be a professional.
10:25I have something to ask you two.
10:27I'm on the side of
10:29creating works.
10:31I'm a high school classmate.
10:33I have a friend named Shogo Iwaya.
10:35We published
10:37a book called
10:39Sendaku together.
10:41From now on,
10:43as I told Fujimiji,
10:45I want to try
10:47planning and producing.
10:49When that happens,
10:51I'd like to know
10:53how you two
10:55create stories
10:57and what kind of stories
10:59you want to make now.
11:01After all,
11:03there are a lot of modern dramas,
11:05so I'd like to know
11:07what's going on in the world.
11:09Everyone says this,
11:11but what about the real thing?
11:13When I feel a little uncomfortable,
11:15it becomes a hook
11:17and the story is made.
11:19Of course, I don't want to
11:21say anything as a work.
11:23I don't want to make a story
11:25that's so aggressive.
11:27I think that kind of
11:29discomfort in society
11:31is often the starting point.
11:33What about you, Fuji?
11:35For me,
11:37in the original,
11:39there's something
11:41that I can't write.
11:43I can't write
11:45unless it's full of
11:47things that make me angry
11:49or happy.
11:51So I say clearly
11:53that there's nothing
11:55I don't want to write.
11:57But if I want someone
11:59to do this,
12:01I change my mind
12:03about what I can do
12:05with this work.
12:07So I don't think
12:09I want to write.
12:11As a director,
12:13your name is getting bigger
12:15and bigger.
12:17Ryusei-kun,
12:19whatever you do,
12:21you're in charge now.
12:23Is there a moment
12:25when you get tired
12:27of being Ryusei Yokohama?
12:29Not now.
12:31I think it's because
12:33I enjoy acting.
12:35Your job?
12:37I think it's a bad habit.
12:39Fuji-san, are you like that?
12:41No, I'm not.
12:43I don't do anything
12:45other than that.
12:47But when I'm a director,
12:49it's the director's fault
12:51no matter what happens.
12:53I think it's the same
12:55with the pressure
12:57that actors have.
12:59They're the ones
13:01who get famous.
13:03They're always
13:05the ones who get famous.
13:07I changed my mind.
13:09I don't care about the results.
13:11It's the fault of the one
13:13who made the offer.
13:15We're the ones who make
13:17good things.
13:19We're responsible
13:21and we'll do our best.
13:23We just weren't chosen
13:25at the right time.
13:27But we were offered.
13:29That's a good mentality.
13:31Ryusei-kun,
13:33I don't care.
13:35There are so many things
13:37that I have to do
13:39that I don't care.
13:41Did you care about that
13:43from the beginning?
13:45No, when I was in my 20s.
13:47When I first met him,
13:49I cared a lot about him.
13:51He's the same age as you.
13:53There are so many.
13:55I think that's why we got along.
13:57Other actors
13:59were born next fall.
14:01We were the only ones
14:03who weren't chosen.
14:05Yokohama-san, are you chosen?
14:07No, I'm not.
14:09I get tired
14:11when I'm too conscious
14:13about others.
14:15I started to think
14:17that it's a battle
14:19against myself.
14:21Isami-san,
14:23since your debut
14:25as a novelist,
14:27how do you evaluate your work?
14:29I look at it aggressively.
14:31I do, but
14:33I don't care.
14:35From the beginning.
14:37Of course,
14:39there are people
14:41who have different opinions
14:43from me.
14:45But I'm happy
14:47when there are people
14:49who have similar values
14:51and sympathize with me.
14:53Through my work,
14:55I may be looking for
14:57a rival.
14:59That's why
15:01I evaluate my work
15:03by myself.
15:05But I don't care.
15:07Do you have a rival?
15:09No,
15:11not at all.
15:13I don't have ambition.
15:15I have the desire
15:17to write a novel,
15:19but I don't have
15:21the desire to win
15:23a literary award
15:25or anything like that.
15:27In that sense,
15:29I don't have a rival.
15:31In a cool way,
15:33I always lose.
15:35I lose right away.
15:37Seriously, I lose.
15:39I lose.
15:41It's not a big deal.
15:43For example,
15:45when I wake up in the morning
15:47and it's raining,
15:49I don't feel good.
15:51I don't feel good today.
15:53On a sunny day like this,
15:55I have to go out
15:57and have fun.
15:59I have to go out and have fun.
16:01Seriously,
16:03another me is shouting
16:05when I'm going to write a novel.
16:07I have to cover my ears
16:09like this.
16:11I have to tell the editors
16:13that I'm in a slump.
16:15It's terrible.
16:17It's a lonely battle.
16:19In that sense,
16:21I don't have a rival.
16:23I sometimes envy them.
16:25For example,
16:27when Mr. Ueda made a big hit
16:29with his film,
16:31we were working together
16:33on Indies.
16:35Everyone wanted to be like Mr. Ueda.
16:37So did I.
16:39When I watch a good movie,
16:41I think,
16:43can I make a movie like that?
16:45When I watch a good movie.
16:47But that's my ability
16:49and the result of their hard work.
16:51So I don't think
16:53I have a rival.
16:57What about you, Ryu?
17:01I don't think I'm a rival.
17:03But
17:05Mr. Fujii
17:07has been working with me for 8 years.
17:09So I think
17:11I can work with him again
17:13when his work is over.
17:15At that time,
17:17I want to show him
17:19that I've always changed.
17:21I've grown up.
17:23I want to show him that.
17:25You want him to think you've changed.
17:27I want him to think that.
17:29I want him to think
17:31that I've learned
17:33because he understands everything.
17:35I want him to think
17:37that I've changed.
17:39Even if I don't work with him
17:41for a long time,
17:43I can keep up with their growth.
17:45That's why I feel pressure.
17:47In my case,
17:49there's no director
17:51who can keep
17:53the result forever.
17:55So I have to be conscious
17:57of my temper and sensitivity.
17:59I have to think
18:01how I can make it long-lasting.
18:03I have to fight with myself.
18:05I know what I lack the most.
18:07So I have to think
18:09how I can make it more comical.
18:11I have to think
18:13what I could do better.
18:15I have to think
18:17what I could do better.
18:19I wonder
18:21what kind of comedy
18:23you two could make.
18:25We have no desire.
18:27It's boring.
18:29I can tell you
18:31how I feel.
18:33I can tell you
18:35how I feel.
18:37I can tell you
18:39how I feel.
18:41You don't get to see him often, do you?
18:43What do you do when you're done filming?
18:45Other than eating spicy food, what else do you do?
18:47I watch martial arts.
18:49Oh, I see.
18:51There are quite a lot of martial arts.
18:53Lately, I don't have much life experience,
18:57so I want to pursue realistic acting.
19:00So I'm watching one-man, one-man show.
19:03It's not like I'm an ordinary person,
19:06but the moment when the announcer's voice is full of tears
19:11during the recording,
19:14I think,
19:16if it was real, would it be like this?
19:18Oh, this is how it's done.
19:20I'm watching that kind of thing.
19:22Also, the back side of the fighter.
19:24The moment I'm looking at a human being
19:26might be a little fun.
19:28Oh, I see.
19:29I can't do this in a play,
19:31but I wish I could.
19:33Like a documentary?
19:35I don't know how to do it,
19:37but I'm interested in it because it's human-like.
19:40The emotions of a real person in a play?
19:42Yes.
19:43Recently, a friend of mine,
19:45who is famous for not having any hobbies,
19:47said he wanted a hobby,
19:49and another person who didn't have any hobbies
19:51bought a PlayStation 5.
19:53It was so interesting.
19:55Oh, a game?
19:56Yes, a game.
19:57So it's scary.
19:58If I play a game, I'll get addicted to it.
20:00I had a feeling like that when I was a kid,
20:02so I wanted to do it.
20:04If I do that, I won't work anymore.
20:06So I don't dare to play something that tempts me.
20:12You don't play games, do you?
20:13No, I don't.
20:14Not at all?
20:15I haven't played since I was in high school.
20:17Fighting games aren't fun at all, are they?
20:19Because you do it yourself.
20:20I do it myself.
20:21There are things I haven't touched,
20:23and there are things I've eliminated unconsciously.
20:28You showed me that before.
20:30In a video.
20:31Boxing.
20:32Did you see that?
20:33Yes, the protest.
20:34I was like, I'm going to lose.
20:37Really?
20:38I really lost.
20:39Because I was too strong.
20:41I thought, this guy is serious.
20:43There was a lot of talk about it,
20:45but I got a message saying,
20:46I won the protest.
20:48I was like, what's your job?
20:50Really.
20:51I was like, I'm going to shoot a boxing movie.
20:54I'm going to practice.
20:55I'm going to be a pro.
20:56I didn't know what that meant.
20:58You can't shoot that easily.
21:00But I was aiming to be a fighter,
21:03so I might have had a stronger feeling.
21:05The respect for the fighting world,
21:07wanting to liven up the boxing world,
21:09wanting to prove my feelings for this work.
21:12I received it with that kind of feeling.
21:14From the other person's point of view,
21:16it's like, don't mess with me.
21:18Because the other person wants to eat and go to boxing.
21:22So I practiced so that I wouldn't be rude to them.
21:27You're really half a fighter.
21:29No, no.
21:30Really.
21:31Ryusei was the main character in a boxing movie.
21:35The national law was abolished,
21:37but he kept practicing Kabuki.
21:40While practicing Kabuki,
21:42he was also learning about other works.
21:45At that time, Taiga was already decided.
21:47While studying history,
21:49he got a boxing license.
21:51It's a lie, isn't it?
21:53Learning.
21:55Certainly, there was a period of learning.
21:58He was a very well-raised child.
22:01But I wonder if you can do something you're interested in at work.
22:07I think so.
22:08You can do it because it's a job.
22:10It may not be in the world,
22:13but he played the role of a diver in a DC movie.
22:16Ryusei isn't very good at swimming, is he?
22:19I don't know if it's okay to say he's a gold digger,
22:22but it's a matter of whether you can get a diver's license
22:25with that offer.
22:27I think the person who offers is amazing,
22:30but the person who receives it is also amazing.
22:32You may drown.
22:33But I'm glad I actually did it.
22:35I acted with Mr. Abe,
22:37and I was touched by his personality.
22:40He also saw my true identity.
22:42Oh, really?
22:43Yes.
22:44Oh, really?
22:45Yes, he saw it with his own eyes.
22:46Mr. Abe?
22:47Yes, it was the best.
22:49I definitely want you to use that impersonation.
22:52He saw it.
22:54I'm happy.
22:55There aren't that many actors in Japan
22:58who can master such a technique.
23:01It's not a matter of course because they're professionals.
23:04People who can't do something definitely can't do it.
23:06There are a lot of actors who say,
23:08you're just a machine, right?
23:10Tell me where to use it from.
23:13There are a lot of people who do it like that.
23:17I don't say it's bad as a job,
23:22but I think it's a style.
23:24Whether you believe it or not,
23:27the respect for the real thing changes.
23:30In a way, it's not reflected in the details.
23:33That raises the quality,
23:37and God dwells in the details.
23:40I think that's the aspect of making things.
23:45What should I do?
23:46Like a monoboke.
23:48Next, I'm going to be a barber.
23:51I'm going to have to learn more and more skills.
23:54When I'm about 35, I'll have all the licenses.
23:58I can work in any world.
24:01It's easy to get a job.
24:03That's possible.
24:05I'm not very good at it,
24:08so I have to master it to some extent.
24:14Thank you very much for today.
24:17Have a great day.