El consumo de carne vacuna en Argentina ha disminuido un 11% en comparación con el año anterior, alcanzando su nivel más bajo desde 1996. La caída se atribuye principalmente a los altos precios y a la falta de poder adquisitivo de los consumidores. A pesar del buen desempeño de la industria frigorífica gracias a las exportaciones, se plantea el debate sobre si se quiere un país con un consumo cada vez menor de proteína animal o uno donde se consuma más.
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00:00Ladies and gentlemen, we are going to talk about the worst of the last 28 years in terms of meat consumption and vaccine.
00:05Lucio, how are you?
00:06Yes, hello Guille, the number is very bad, right?
00:08Because the truth is that if you compare, we are talking about going against the year 96,
00:12which was even a relatively good year of economic growth.
00:17Well, meat consumption fell 11% compared to a year ago, and today we are at 47 kilos.
00:24Now, the averages tend to be hateful, right?
00:26You see that if the average is that each person has a car and one has two and the other has zero,
00:32the one with zero says, hey, but the average doesn't help me at all.
00:35But let's see the note we made on the subject and then we'll explain it.
00:39How is consumption today compared to, for example, last year?
00:43And consumption fell, it fell a lot.
00:46And it is because of the prices that people do not have the money to do business,
00:51because today people are looking for the cheapest.
00:53So I am a butcher and the cheapest thing is the chicken.
00:57Patimulo, 2,200 pesos a kilo.
00:59Against any cut of meat that is 3,000, 4,000 pesos.
01:03That is, today the problem is neither the meat nor the chicken.
01:05The reality is the pocket.
01:07So today we are fighting it, putting offers, day by day.
01:11Today people buy day by day.
01:13Of course, the habit has changed a bit.
01:14There is no longer the purchase per week or per month, when before people bought for a month.
01:19Of course, yes, yes, yes.
01:21The housewife bought per week.
01:23It was organized.
01:24Today, not.
01:25Today, day by day, to see if there is an offer.
01:27If it's fish, if it's chicken, if it's pork.
01:30And last is the meat.
01:32Why?
01:33Because today is the most expensive.
01:34But it does not mean that the cut of meat is expensive.
01:36It is a little more expensive than the others.
01:39Inflation is an average of 3% per month in recent months.
01:43How does that feel in the market?
01:45And look, it feels.
01:47It feels.
01:48People come here.
01:49The one who carried two kilos of cut, carried a kilo.
01:52The one who carried three kilos, carried a kilo and a half.
01:54It feels.
01:55In addition, everything increased.
01:56The light, the gas.
01:57Everything.
01:58Then people are squeezing a little everywhere.
02:00And here in Hemostador it feels a lot.
02:02And December is a month where you make the difference for the party?
02:05And yes, you see, people are already starting to ask for the pelleto, for the rib, for the tongue.
02:10But it shows that families get together.
02:13We are going to organize, we are going to do this, we are going to do the other.
02:16And that's where we help people a little, that I better take the pelleto.
02:20And not next month, which will be more expensive, for sure.
02:22Sure.
02:23And what was the last time you touched the prices?
02:25No, it's been almost two or three weeks since we touched the prices.
02:29We are maintaining it because the sale is not there either.
02:33Well, there are the numbers to compare with the experience and with life.
02:37A kilo of roast, 7,500 pesos.
02:40When you go to a bar and order a coffee with milk for, I don't know, two and a half for one and you get how much?
02:46Four thousand.
02:47Four thousand.
02:48Depends on the place.
02:49Depends on the place.
02:50I buy a kilo of roast.
02:51Yes, obviously.
02:52Now, up to there, the meat, I'm going to say something politically incorrect.
02:58The meat is comparatively cheap.
03:00And I'm going to say something that is real.
03:03Salaries are bad.
03:05That's the problem in Argentina.
03:06Let's also say, Lucio, something that is real.
03:08There was a price sincerity with reference to the services.
03:12Because you can't be subsidizing it, taxing it.
03:15That has to do with the populisms that make you believe that a coffee is worth the same as what you pay for it.
03:22And even the people themselves say, no, hey, let's stop.
03:25This is not what it should cost.
03:27Now, obviously, when the salaries do not accompany you, you have a problem.
03:31And when is the sincerity of the salaries?
03:33Well, it is assumed that...
03:35Maybe it's an economic model.
03:37Of course, but...
03:38If we are all less than the salary, the salaries are still low.
03:41Lucio, I believe this.
03:42We can't blame Millet for what is happening now.
03:45When many of the prices, the supermarkets, I don't know if the meat, increased to a dollar, no doubt, of 1,500 pesos.
03:52The truth, here the increase, no doubt, caused it to go, the clouds were shot.
03:57Some prices that are now also being sincered.
04:00Food prices, the Olympic medal in the last two months, have been very even.
04:06What you say, I don't know if it's the case of meat.
04:09That's what I was saying.
04:10Out there it is in products that have little suffering, not so much meat.
04:13Now, the other thing...
04:14Excuse me, we also talked about this during the previous government.
04:17Yes, of course.
04:18When Alberto had promised that he would return to the barbecue, and the barbecue did not return, right?
04:21Well, now less, now he went directly so as not to return ever again.
04:24But what I say is...
04:25We don't know, we don't know.
04:26Of course, out there with the cheap dollar and taking credit, he went back to eating barbecue.
04:30Now, what I say is the issue of averages.
04:33We eat 47 kilos of meat per year, without counting chicken, without counting pork.
04:38Is it a good number?
04:39It's a very good number.
04:40I mean, if you compare it with other countries in the world,
04:43Argentines eat more meat than citizens of other countries.
04:47Because we have the blessing of having been born in the largest natural prairie in the world,
04:50which is Pampa Húmeda.
04:51Now, the problem with the averages...
04:54I mean, 47 kilos of meat per capita per year is more or less a kilo per week.
04:59I mean, we almost eat a kilo per week.
05:01Now, the problem with that is that it is unbalanced.
05:05It is that the Argentine of middle class, medium, high, high, can eat two kilos of meat per week
05:12and the Argentine, who does not have a weight, barely eats meat.
05:15I think that there is also the problem.
05:18The industry is doing well, the meat industry is doing well.
05:21Welcome, because a lot of people live from that.
05:23The businessmen, the workers, because it is exporting hard.
05:27But the issue is...
05:29I mean, do we want a country where people consume less and less animal protein
05:34or do we want a country where people consume more animal protein?
05:37Also, the consumption of meat, especially the smallest ones,
05:39we know that it is a fundamental element.
05:41From 0 to 6 years old, pediatricians...
05:43Up to 6, 8, 10 years old, it is fundamental.
05:45Exactly.
05:46That's why I say, the issue is the averages.
05:48Is it a bad average, 47 kilos of meat per person per year?
05:51Not at all.
05:52The issue is that some eat a lot more and others eat a lot less.
05:55Well, thank you, Lucio.
05:5610.06, attention.
05:57Important news.
05:58The city will have its first international meeting on urban security.
06:02Security is an issue that we have been talking about for a long time.
06:05We believe that it is also a criterion by which people can vote for a mayor,
06:10a head of government, a governor or even a president.
06:13There was always inflation, the issue of security.
06:16Well, and experts from all over the world will meet in Buenos Aires.
06:20That's why I think we can already talk to the head of government of the city of Buenos Aires,
06:24Jorge Macri.
06:25Jorge, how are you?
06:26Nice to meet you.
06:27Good morning.
06:31Guillermo, good morning.
06:32How are you?
06:33Good.
06:34Well, I made the introduction.
06:35I would like you to tell people what this first international meeting is about,
06:39something that worries us all.
06:44Well, as you said, for us, security, order in general,
06:50of the public space.
06:52And we have called on different cities and experts from all over the world,
06:57national forces, not only from Argentina, but from other countries,
07:02governors, police officers from the province.
07:05Minister Patricia Bullrich will also be part of this meeting,
07:09with whom we work hand in hand on this issue,
07:12to tell you what we are doing in the city of Buenos Aires,
07:15what we can learn from other cities.
07:18I just arrived from Madrid last week,
07:20where we were in a meeting of mayors of Ibero-American capitals,
07:24and this was also a common theme.
07:27Although not always all mayors or mayors or heads of government
07:32have the same tools.
07:34Not everyone has a police officer, for example, because the law does not allow them.
07:38But it is rare to find a mayor or a mayor
07:41who does not have a commitment to the issue of security.
07:44Even if it is not his legal competence,
07:47that is not an issue of his incumbency.
07:49So, for us, learn from the best practices
07:53and reconfirm our political decision in this regard.
07:57Because without a political decision, nothing happens.
07:59I mean, if you think you can float without making complex, difficult decisions,
08:04and that things will be arranged on their own,
08:06in general, when you do not make decisions,
08:09when you do not make difficult decisions,
08:11in general, evil, disorder is the winner.
08:14So, I think that reconfirming our commitment in this regard is very important.
08:19I absolutely agree. I say it almost every day.
08:22It is not that because you do not talk about a topic, the topic does not exist.
08:25And I make the comparison between what happens in the province of Buenos Aires,
08:28mainly in the urban area,
08:30and what happens in the city of Buenos Aires.
08:32You make reference to what is a concern,
08:35to what you try to improve every day,
08:37the quality of life of the citizen in that sense.
08:40But it seems that in the urban area,
08:42we just spoke with a citizen who naturalizes the fact of
08:45arriving home and being already inside at such a time.
08:48In other words, they are winning you over.
08:50To what do you attribute this different thinking,
08:53divided by general peace?
09:00It is an ideological view.
09:02I believe that in that sense, Kirchnerism and Kicillof,
09:06as the main exponents of Kirchnerism today in government,
09:09have turned the burden of the test.
09:14They think that whoever is a victim is a victim.
09:18And obviously, surely, there are objective conditions
09:21for someone to fall into crime,
09:23which we have to fight.
09:25Education, inclusion, development, urban conditions are essential.
09:30But once someone decides to commit a crime,
09:33justice has to exist and order has to be imposed.
09:36In other words, the two things can coexist.
09:38We are proposing remarkable educational reforms
09:41in the city of Buenos Aires,
09:43but at the same time we are incorporating the TEISAR and the VIRNA
09:46to give more security to the neighbors.
09:48To think that one only has to look at one side of the story
09:54is a serious problem.
09:56I think it is an ideological issue that Kicillof has.
09:58In fact, it is an issue that he does not talk about.
10:00And except for the effort of a few mayors,
10:03as can be the case of Soleá Martínez in Vicente López,
10:06and some others,
10:08the truth is that people are free to their fate in the urban area.
10:12The police of the province feels helpless,
10:15it does not feel politically supported,
10:17it does not have the necessary and sufficient tools.
10:20And then there is the other important discussion, Guille,
10:23which is the discussion of justice.
10:25I was in Madrid, I was talking to the mayor of Madrid.
10:28Let me give you some data.
10:30Madrid has 7,500 police officers
10:32for a number of inhabitants similar to the city of Buenos Aires.
10:35Buenos Aires has 26,000.
10:37And he looked at me with a surprised face.
10:39He says to me, but then nothing should happen there.
10:42I tell him, yes, but you know what? We have a problem.
10:44A few days ago I tweeted about a criminal
10:47whom we arrested 28 times.
10:49And he was not a chicken thief.
10:51He was a professional criminal,
10:53armed robbery, sale of narcotics,
10:55resistance to the authorities.
10:57It is very difficult for a security system to reach
11:00when the same criminal is released 28 times.
11:03And then there is a discussion that we have to have,
11:05which is what is the role and commitment of justice on this issue.
11:08The reiteration of what you have been talking about for a long time, Jorge.
11:15Exactly. To explain it quickly.
11:18Argentina is governed by a criterion of reincidence.
11:22For there to be a reincidence,
11:24that is, for a crime to be aggravating than the previous one,
11:26that is, for there to be yellow and red,
11:28seven years pass.
11:30More or less it is what it takes in Argentina to have a firm sentence.
11:34With which they take out yellow, yellow, yellow,
11:36and you keep playing.
11:38Sorry to use that simple example,
11:40but for people to understand.
11:42The reincidence is a simple system.
11:44I took out a yellow because you committed a crime.
11:47One more yellow, it's red and you go to jail.
11:50And you wait for the sentence there.
11:52If we do not return to a certain degree of order,
11:55we are fried.
11:57Because the criminal feels that it is a
11:59dale que va, todo vale.
12:01The policeman feels that his luck is abandoned
12:05and the criminal always beats the neighbor.
12:09I think that is a very important discussion.
12:12It would be exceptional if the National Congress approved the reincidence.
12:17The example of Madrid that you are giving
12:19is compared to that of Buenos Aires.
12:21Administratively, it has a community,
12:23but it has a city that is autonomous.
12:25What is not different is the justice.
12:28Here we have a federal justice in the city of Buenos Aires,
12:31a counterventional justice.
12:33And in the province of Buenos Aires,
12:35justices in different departments,
12:37with separate criteria in terms of prosecutors.
12:40One prosecutor may be more guarantor than the other.
12:43That, from here, a medium term.
12:46Can it be solved?
12:48Or is it already a question that the ideology
12:50will mark the reality of all citizens
12:52of the province and the city as well?
12:55Well, it can be changed by changing the rules.
12:59That is, setting that framework of freedom of interpretation
13:02that the prosecutor or the guarantor judge has.
13:04For example, in the case of the province of Buenos Aires.
13:07Because, as you say,
13:09deprison is a possibility,
13:11it is not an obligation that the law marks.
13:13Someone makes the decision to give him the chance
13:15to remain free again,
13:17someone who committed 27 times crimes.
13:19And I insist, it is the sale of drugs,
13:21the use of firearms,
13:23resistance to the authority,
13:25armed robbery.
13:27And they still leave them free.
13:29So how do you fight that ideology
13:31by limiting the tool?
13:33This concept of reiteration
13:35that just occurred to me,
13:37thinking about football.
13:39A yellow card and the second yellow card is out.
13:42I think it's a way of telling justice,
13:46well, that's enough.
13:48Not everything is opinionable.
13:50If someone commits a crime twice,
13:52he waits for the sentence.
13:55Because if not,
13:57it's very complicated.
13:59And of course, many times the guarantor judges
14:01or prosecutors or judges,
14:03people don't know them.
14:05To us, to the neighborhood commissioner.
14:07Yes, he knows us, he comes, he claims us.
14:09And explaining this to him is very frustrating.
14:11Because people feel helpless.
14:13Obviously, the city of Buenos Aires
14:15is far better than the province of Buenos Aires.
14:18We have very good rates, objectively.
14:21But I have to work on how people feel.
14:24And people ask me for more security every day.
14:26And I'm going to work for that,
14:28so that people feel safer every day.
14:30I remember, Jorge,
14:32that next to the forecast,
14:34on the radio or on TV,