• 3 weeks ago
👉 Sonia López, abogada Nicolás Soria, conocido como "el Americano", cuenta que tuvo que interceder para mejorar las condiciones de su defendido. Soria, quien se ha destacado por su compromiso con las causas de trata de menores y su colaboración con la fundación detrás de la película "Sonidos de Libertad", se queja de las condiciones de su detención. Su abogado defensor sostiene que no cometió ningún delito y que su arresto es arbitrario.

"Las ratitas en prisión siguen estando"
"Soria no tiene ningún antecedentes"
"No está en el mismo lugar que 'cabeza lópez'"
"En EE.UU. Nicolás fue absuelto"

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00:00Nicolás Soria, a.k.a. El Americano,
00:03this character, is still enigmatic,
00:06he's under arrest.
00:07According to him, the only thing he wanted to do,
00:10like in the last years of his life,
00:12was good,
00:13very committed to the causes of treatment,
00:16especially the ones related to...
00:18That's what he said, right?
00:19Especially the ones related to the minor victims of treatment.
00:23He says he collaborated with the foundation
00:25that was the protagonist of a great movie.
00:28If you haven't seen it, watch it.
00:29Sonidos de Libertad,
00:32a case that reconstructs the kidnapping
00:34of two minors.
00:38A real case, taken to the movies.
00:40And the truth is that they have achieved a movie
00:41that generates awareness, traps,
00:43and even, I would say, entertains.
00:44It's a sensitive topic.
00:47Well, the guy presented himself
00:48as the emissary of good
00:51on planet Earth.
00:52The truth is that he's under arrest.
00:54He complained about the bad conditions of detention.
00:58He said he was in a dungeon,
01:00that there were rats that he had to live with,
01:02the rats that he feared for their physical integrity.
01:06Is that what you were going to say?
01:06Yes, and also keep in mind that he was arrested
01:09with a lot of other people
01:11who hindered the investigation for justice
01:15and that those people were released.
01:17Of course.
01:17We must remember that those people were released already.
01:20The psychologist, the assistant,
01:24but Soria is still under arrest.
01:25Exactly, and with another fact,
01:27that he complains,
01:29and the truth is that it sounds coherent,
01:32what he raises,
01:33because he is detained in the same prison
01:37where Cabezón López is.
01:39We have to explain each of the names.
01:41Who is Cabezón López?
01:42One of the main drug traffickers.
01:47Today he is under arrest.
01:48He has been transferred to Marcos Paz, specifically.
01:50There he coincided recently
01:53and coincided with Soria.
01:54Soria says, of course, I investigated according to him.
01:58Another part says,
01:59he wanted to throw the case at us
02:02and make us responsible,
02:05but I have it close to my head,
02:07and my life is in danger.
02:08That is why his lawyers make a presentation
02:11that ended with a satisfactory result,
02:13because they have improved the conditions of detention
02:16of the American, who is still detained,
02:19processed and investigated.
02:21Sonia López is connected.
02:24We welcome you.
02:25Sonia, how are you?
02:26Diego Enabuel, Carlos and Lucía Valdi
02:29here for Alerta 24 7.
02:32Well, a greeting to the whole work table,
02:34to all the people who are following.
02:35Yes, indeed,
02:37that was a few days ago,
02:40a scorpion was presented,
02:42not by the rats.
02:43Well, the rats are there.
02:44It is not good that they are in any prison.
02:47Everyone talks about the rats only,
02:49but well, the rats, yes,
02:50the salubrity of the place was raised,
02:52but the essential thing about the presentation
02:55of the scorpion was that he was detained
02:56in the same prison
02:58that this person that you mention,
03:00who could have been involved
03:02from the protected witness,
03:05the statement of the protected witness,
03:07which of course is related to Nicolás,
03:10because Nicolás is also helping her.
03:13Did the American have any episode
03:16inside the prison in particular?
03:19The story ends.
03:20The issue of scorpions was resolved
03:22through an audience
03:23with the Federal Court of Morón,
03:25which territorially has incumbency.
03:28From an agreement,
03:30he then gave up,
03:32with Dr. Duilio Ramírez,
03:35who attended that incident,
03:36he gave up scorpions
03:38on the basis, not that the prison conditions
03:40were improved,
03:41because the rats have two,
03:43but that a level of security was agreed
03:46that they are not in the penalty,
03:48a level of security,
03:49and well, that each one is,
03:51that he is in the module where he is,
03:53and the other person is in the module where he is.
03:55But did you get to meet?
03:58Did you get to cross Soria
03:59with Cabezón López?
04:01No, no, no, no,
04:02not because they are in different places.
04:03What happens is that it is not good
04:05that they are in the same prison.
04:06That's not right.
04:07We don't see it as a coincidence,
04:09but well, that's why we did the presentations
04:12in a preventive way
04:13and it was resolved well
04:14between the Federal Court,
04:17the Technical Defense of Nicolás,
04:19Nicolás and the Penitentiary Service.
04:21Where is Soria now?
04:23He is in Marcos Paz.
04:25But what changed his situation?
04:27I mean, being between the rats
04:29and close to Cabezón?
04:30The rats are always there
04:32and that is the problem
04:33of the entire Argentine prison system.
04:36A lot of rats, right?
04:36But he is in a...
04:38Yes, I say because it is spoken a lot
04:40as well as cynically,
04:41ah, he complains about the rats,
04:42and it is wrong,
04:43because the prisons are for security,
04:45not for punishment.
04:46That's what the Constitution says.
04:48And now, where is he physically?
04:49What changed?
04:50He is in the same place,
04:51but with a security commitment
04:54by the Penitentiary Service
04:55with the Federal Court of Morón.
04:57But didn't he have a safety measure, doctor?
05:01And until the proposal was made, no.
05:03Ah, he was without a safety measure?
05:04Explain what a safety measure is, Grandma.
05:06He was like any detainee,
05:08subject to being able to meet
05:10with any other detainee.
05:11What is a safety measure?
05:12Sorry, doctor, Carlos Estrione interrupts.
05:14No, let's see, what the assistance asked for...
05:17It's not a special safety measure,
05:19it's just a safety commitment
05:21that they don't meet.
05:22That's it.
05:23The thing is, when you ask for a safety measure,
05:25what usually happens
05:27is that the detainee
05:29is isolated from the rest of the population,
05:31he is in a...
05:32It's called a buzón,
05:33it's a separate buzón,
05:35and he can't go out at the schedules
05:37that the other inmates do in the patio,
05:40in the court, in the workshop.
05:42But they have to approve it, right?
05:44Let's see, no...
05:45And they are...
05:46...with the judge that this is not a...
05:49It's not a buzón in the sense of punishment,
05:52but it's a separate module.
05:54A separate module.
05:55Sure, the guy like the iris, let's say.
05:59And the truth is that I don't know that physically,
06:01because I'm about to go,
06:02just the other lawyer was able to go,
06:03I now have to go see him.
06:05The good thing would be that all the detainees
06:07have the same...
06:09the same attention.
06:10Of course, yes.
06:11Yes, of course.
06:12I think he's presenting it as a privilege problem.
06:15There is no privilege, sir.
06:16No, no, no, privilege...
06:17Oh, he gets angry, he gets angry fast.
06:19It's just short, crazy.
06:20It's incredible, how does he get angry?
06:22Yes, he just cuts you off and lets you pass.
06:24Of course.
06:25And if I'm for that,
06:27I'm to defend a right,
06:28that's why I let him pass.
06:29No, no, but it's not that I let something happen, yes or no.
06:32What I'm telling you is,
06:33I hope this applies to all the detainees.
06:35I'm not saying that...
06:36Of course.
06:37...it has a benefit, Soria.
06:39It has the same right as any detainee.
06:42That's right.
06:43Clearly.
06:44Now, let me say something else,
06:45because you're treating him like he's a VIP detainee,
06:48but on the other hand...
06:49No, I didn't say VIP.
06:50Why do you put that in my mouth?
06:52Well, you made him understand.
06:54How are you?
06:55No, guys, no, guys, no, guys, guys.
06:57You made him understand.
06:58Let's see, no, let's see.
06:59You have to understand what you want.
07:00Listen.
07:01Yes, let's see.
07:02Do you know what the iris is?
07:03Let's start there.
07:04Do you know?
07:05Do you know?
07:06Well, you, doctor, do you know what the iris is?
07:07The truth is, I don't know what it is.
07:10Perfect.
07:11Then you have to learn a little bit.
07:12Let's see.
07:13In prison, in prison, there is a place,
07:15a pavilion called iris,
07:17which is anti-corruption,
07:19it is anti-arrangement,
07:21it is a pavilion apart from the rest
07:23where all the detainees are cared for, monitored and looked at.
07:29This happened at the time that Voodoo was arrested,
07:33that all the...
07:35The white-collar criminals.
07:37No, not white-collar.
07:38No.
07:40You, a person who has the power to extort,
07:45to pay a fine,
07:47whatever it is,
07:48is in a place with specialized people
07:50to take care of those people
07:51and who cannot get together with the rest of the detainees.
07:54That's called the iris pavilion.
07:56What can I say,
07:57since you have so much specialization
07:58in the way of locking up a person?
08:00No, no, so much specialization, no.
08:01It's knowing a little bit about the prison.
08:03I want to tell you a scoop.
08:04Let's see.
08:05Good, good.
08:06Let's see.
08:07An alert.
08:08An alert.
08:10Give an alert.
08:12Give an alert.
08:21Dr. Sonia López, give an alert.
08:25Come on, Sonia López.
08:26Doctor, I'm listening.
08:28Well, we really can't communicate with Nicolás.
08:31I'm about to make a note informing the Federal Court...
08:34How can I communicate?
08:36because he could talk to me for a while on Friday,
08:41he can't communicate.
08:43I mean, Nicolás, like all the detainees in Marcos Paz,
08:47in the federal penitentiary system,
08:51they can communicate by loading a card
08:53through the criminal's phones
08:55with relatives who are perfectly identified
08:58and with their technical defense.
09:00Well, we, the defenders,
09:02we can't talk to him practically,
09:04not all the weekend, not all this morning,
09:07not all last week,
09:09with Duilo, who was the first one in the file,
09:13who made the appeal, the incarceration incident,
09:16he can't talk for a while on the phone.
09:18The last time he spoke was on Monday last week,
09:21when it became known that they had a meeting,
09:23that Duilo traveled there.
09:25We can't talk on the phone.
09:27I mean, he calls his mother
09:29when it's time, the phone,
09:31and he has loaded the necessary credit.
09:34He calls his mother, and he can communicate.
09:36He calls me, and he can't communicate.
09:38And he has a problem with my phone.
09:40So what does that mean?
09:42I don't know, they're monitoring Nicolás,
09:44as they can do to other prisoners,
09:46but I'm talking about the person I assist.
09:48He can't talk to his lawyers,
09:50that's not good.
09:52No, that's bad.
09:54He has to present a note to the penitentiary service
09:56to see if it can be solved.
09:58It's a guarantee, I mean, the right of defense.
10:00It's a constitutional guarantee,
10:02and we need to communicate with him
10:04every time we have to make a presentation
10:06for him to authorize it.
10:08So, well, that's the situation.
10:10And what would be so urgent
10:12that you have to talk to him?
10:14Because of the pseudo-Fundación Dupuy,
10:16I understand, as Carlos Estriones said,
10:18he's the only one who's still detained, right?
10:20Yes, no, now he's in prison,
10:22because the issue with him
10:24is that he hadn't come to prison,
10:26because there were some erratic procedures
10:28that had to be solved,
10:30and now he's in prison.
10:32From Thursday, his appeal arrived,
10:34because, well, the judge's criteria
10:36was the same for everyone,
10:38that everyone who is detained
10:40was rejected from prison at 10,
10:42and everyone went to prison,
10:44and now the prison has the papers,
10:46with the appeal resource of Nicolás,
10:48and an analysis.
10:50And, well, all that information has to be turned over,
10:52besides, there's a process
10:54that's going to be done on Wednesday
10:56with some, it's going to be the opening
10:58of some phones,
11:00besides, we also have to do
11:02a series of presentations of nullity
11:04with some of the few evidence they presented,
11:06beyond the fact that we did,
11:08that is, the whole presentation of the
11:10discharge evidence was made,
11:12with an impressive volume of evidence
11:14in favor of Nicolás,
11:16we also have to raise a question
11:18about the few evidence there was,
11:20and all that has to be discussed with the client.
11:22I can't believe
11:24that he was able to talk to me
11:26for two minutes on Friday,
11:28when he finished his shift,
11:30when he got the call with me,
11:32everyone can talk to me,
11:34and a client can't talk to me.
11:36Yes, it's very strange.
11:38Sonia, doctor, sorry, Carlos greets you,
11:40Carlos Estriones,
11:42trying to be succinct,
11:44why is Zoria detained?
11:46By decision of the judge,
11:48nothing more and nothing less.
11:50He didn't commit any crime.
11:52And sometimes you defend people
11:54who have committed crimes,
11:56trying to get their rights respected,
11:58and to get the best possible
12:00out of your client's situation.
12:02But really, this client,
12:04we understand that he didn't commit any crime.
12:06It's arbitrary.
12:08It's totally arbitrary.
12:10I think that for political reasons
12:12that have nothing to do with him
12:14or his conduct.
12:16How many people were detained
12:18for arbitrary reasons?
12:20And what do you think,
12:22with this criterion,
12:24Sonia, what do you think
12:26about the fact that the prosecutor
12:28has not yet called Codazzi to testify?
12:30I can't believe it.
12:32There you realize the arbitrariness.
12:34How can it be that people
12:36who seriously tried to cover up
12:38because that cover-up can be seen,
12:40it can be seen that he was able
12:42to really divert the investigation,
12:44that he tried to remove the cause
12:46from the federal forum,
12:48that he was able to do that.
12:50Sonia, the American had already been detained,
12:52he had already been arrested
12:54prior to the disappearance of Loan.
12:56I don't remember.
12:58He never committed a crime,
13:00he was never convicted of any crime.
13:02In the United States,
13:04some process took place.
13:06In the United States, neither,
13:08because we know that he lived like that for a while.
13:10Yes, he had a process,
13:12but it came out absolute.
13:14No, not absolute.
13:16The bail that had to be paid there,
13:18and with that...
13:20No, the bail was to be able to leave.
13:22No, no, no.
13:24The bail is not a conviction fine.
13:26He left absolute.
13:28He has absolution.
13:30Yes, of course.
13:32And when you are absolute,
13:34the state has to apologize to you,
13:36and that is not a precedent
13:38because you were absolute.
13:40But then the American didn't pay anything.
13:42And he could have paid,
13:44but the bail is to be able to have your freedom
13:46while the process lasts.
13:48Well, maybe that's in the North,
13:50and it's not here, and it's not questioned,
13:52and there is no debate.
13:54But apart, if you ask for a certificate in the United States,
13:56and it gives you that he has no precedent,
13:58and if you ask in Argentina
14:00that he was caught and is in the file,
14:02he has no precedent in Argentina.
14:04Let's see, the truth is that what one wants
14:06is that justice is fair,
14:08and the one who has to be arrested is,
14:10and the one who does not have to be,
14:12and I do not know
14:14the entangled that all this is.
14:16For example,
14:18it is true what the doctor raises,
14:20I understand that my assistant is in danger
14:22that he is close to López, right?
14:24Yes.
14:26Okay?
14:28Now explain to me
14:30why they took López out of the stream
14:32and brought him first to Ezeiza and then to Marcopaz.
14:34No, no assistant.
14:36I find it even illogical,
14:38because if you respect ...
14:40with the arbitrary transfer of any detainee.
14:43Here, the problem is that there is no federal prison.
14:46So you have three federal judges.
14:48You have three federal judges.
14:50So if there is a detainee for some reason,
14:52that's a judge, and the closest is U7,
14:55which is Chaco's prison.
14:57And then they handle you like that,
14:58that you can go to Salta, Jucuy, Chaco, Mendoza, Buenos Aires.
15:02To Audelina, for reasons...
15:03But the family members don't get the same.
15:06No, of course not.
15:08To Audelina, for security reasons,
15:10they took her from Ezeiza to Lujan de Cuyo, right?
15:13Of course.
15:14And one would say, well...
15:15For me, the Audelina thing is a clear pressure
15:18and a situation of...
15:20I convey my solidarity to Dr. Chiribín
15:23for really having received five or six complaints
15:27from the Querella.
15:29It seems that the Querella has nothing to do
15:30and is dedicated to harassing Dr. Chiribín,
15:34who is simply trying to do her job with her client.
15:38Hanson is the favorite, but Dr. López
15:41is very clear in some ways.
15:42Very clear.
15:43Without a word in the language, she says things as they are.
15:46I think it's perfect.
15:47Doctor, thank you very much, we are in contact.
15:50Oh, thank you.
15:52Marcelo Hanson is our short cluenin,
15:55from alert 24-7.
15:57Yes, short cluenin.
15:58I think I prefer Dr. López.
16:00I prefer Marcelo Hanson.
16:01Did you see the jopo?
16:03Did you see the jopo he presents?
16:05And it's very Monday.
16:06We know he was...
16:08What, what, what?
16:10Taking a shower.
16:11I'm not going to be precise.
16:12They told me he went on a spiritual retreat.
16:14Doctor, could it be?
16:18He didn't invite me.
16:19He's muted.
16:20He's muted, he's muted.
16:22There he is.
16:23He went on a spiritual retreat with the promotion.
16:25Wait, spiritual retreat?
16:29Yes.
16:30You didn't invite me?
16:32Religious school.
16:33I love spiritual retreats.
16:35Everything happens in spiritual retreats.
16:38Beautiful.
16:39Before, when you said spiritual retreat here,
16:42what I didn't know was spirit.
16:45Guiño, guiño.
16:46Guiño, guiño.
16:47Very well, Marcelo.
16:48We won't ask you anymore, Marcelo.
16:49All right, Marcelo.
16:50We'll continue tomorrow.
16:51Thank you. Have a good afternoon.
16:54Give me a hug.

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