Alex Barth and Brian Hines break down the Patriots' loss to the Titans in Nashville, highlighting the brilliant flashes from rookie quarterback Drake Maye and the struggles of the defense.. They also dive into the latest trade rumors as the NFL deadline approaches.
0:00 - Intro
2:30 - Worst coaching game
4:02 - Offensive line changes
8:09 - Onwenu at guard
9:45 - Offensive line struggles
12:01 - Need for run game
14:41 - First half mistakes
17:09 - Key situation failures
22:31 - Two-point conversion analysis
24:29 - Coaching decisions discussed
27:10 - Wind factor in overtime
29:03 - Turnovers and mistakes
31:09 - Playmaker discussion
32:54 - Drake Maye's potential
34:50 - Draft priorities debate
37:57 - Defensive strategies analysis
40:28 - Polk struggles
44:00 - Defensive run issues
46:51 - Gonzalez's performance
49:39 - Christian Barmore update
52:01 - Joey Slye's missed kick
54:13 - Impactful defensive player
56:52 - Trade deadline updates
59:35 - Quiet trade expectations
1:01:11 - Potential receiver moves
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0:00 - Intro
2:30 - Worst coaching game
4:02 - Offensive line changes
8:09 - Onwenu at guard
9:45 - Offensive line struggles
12:01 - Need for run game
14:41 - First half mistakes
17:09 - Key situation failures
22:31 - Two-point conversion analysis
24:29 - Coaching decisions discussed
27:10 - Wind factor in overtime
29:03 - Turnovers and mistakes
31:09 - Playmaker discussion
32:54 - Drake Maye's potential
34:50 - Draft priorities debate
37:57 - Defensive strategies analysis
40:28 - Polk struggles
44:00 - Defensive run issues
46:51 - Gonzalez's performance
49:39 - Christian Barmore update
52:01 - Joey Slye's missed kick
54:13 - Impactful defensive player
56:52 - Trade deadline updates
59:35 - Quiet trade expectations
1:01:11 - Potential receiver moves
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00:00:00All right, everyone, welcome back into another live edition of the Patriots Beat Podcast
00:00:29here on the CLNS Media Network presented by all of our wonderful friends over at PrizePix
00:00:35GameTime and PXG.
00:00:36It is Brian Hines back as always with Alex Barth to break down a 2017 Patriots loss to
00:00:44the Tennessee Titans on Sunday.
00:00:46Went to overtime.
00:00:47They almost pulled off some Drake May magic at the end there, but then Tennessee marched
00:00:53down the field, kicks field goal in overtime, Drake May throws an interception and the Patriots
00:00:58fall to two and seven on the year and as much as I would always love to start these
00:01:04with Drake May magic and talk about the positives with Drake May, I want to start with the coaching
00:01:10staff today because we gave Gerard Mayo some credit last week.
00:01:15He pulled out the card of calling his team, you know, soft performance and they responded
00:01:20well.
00:01:21They won the game and we said they got to keep that going.
00:01:24They got to continue that momentum into this week.
00:01:27The coaching staff did not.
00:01:28It was a bad performance from the coaching staff.
00:01:31You know, penalties was one thing.
00:01:33They had eight penalties and, you know, Tennessee tried to give you that game.
00:01:36They had ten penalties.
00:01:38They had plays like fumbling and overtime when they were marching right down the field.
00:01:42It felt like they were even too pass happy maybe at times, but it was a sloppy game from
00:01:47the coaching staff.
00:01:48There were a couple key points that, you know, I've been going around online that key talking
00:01:54points with the offensive line, the switch early in the game, they mess up another end
00:01:59of the first half situation, the two point conversion, which we weren't too upset with
00:02:04that decision.
00:02:06You could even throw the overtime choice of playing into the wind, you know, another one
00:02:10that was kind of minor, but there were some questionable coaching decisions in this game
00:02:16and we'll get into all of those a little bit more here, but I know you weren't pleased
00:02:21with the staff either from yesterday.
00:02:23So what, what was your kind of take about them?
00:02:26Yeah, I, so my big take from this game is this was the worst coach game they've played
00:02:32this year.
00:02:33I think maybe if you want to talk about the Jets week three, but in game management was
00:02:38certainly the worst and the preparation didn't feel good either.
00:02:42That's not to say they've been great in other games.
00:02:44They've certainly had their moments elsewhere, but you know, I think you can look at three
00:02:48or four major coaching points in this game that I don't want to say we're avoidable,
00:02:54but like they, they, they failed, they failed in, in either decisions or preparation.
00:02:59And I mean, just to run, run through them real quick off the top of my head, lost the
00:03:03turnover battle to the worst turnover team in the NFL.
00:03:05That's partially on the coaching.
00:03:07Then you had switching the offensive line.
00:03:09That's two.
00:03:10You had the end of the first half and you had the two point thing.
00:03:14Those are four major inflection points that go on the coaching staff that are key reasons
00:03:21why they lost this game to varying degrees.
00:03:23Well, I think me and you feel similarly that the two point things may be a little overblown,
00:03:28but just for the sake of it is being talked about, it is a discussion.
00:03:31We can get to that.
00:03:32I think it is a fair discussion, but yeah, this was, you know, first and foremost on
00:03:37the coaching staff, this was not the, now look, when I say it's not about the roster
00:03:42not being good enough, the Titans roster blows.
00:03:44So this really wasn't a game where the Patriots are going to be outclassed, especially with
00:03:47all the injuries on Tennessee side.
00:03:49But this, this game was about the coaching first and foremost.
00:03:52Yep.
00:03:53Yeah.
00:03:54So you mentioned again, those points let's kind of dive into those and we can go and
00:03:59almost order here.
00:04:00Yeah.
00:04:01Number one was the offensive line.
00:04:02Yeah.
00:04:03They finally had some continuity last week, you know, with Darian Lowe, uh, Michael Jordan
00:04:07at left guard, Ben Brown at center, Mike and window at right guard and, uh, Trey Jacobs
00:04:12at right tackle.
00:04:13They went away from that to start this game.
00:04:15Leighton Robinson is back from injury.
00:04:18So they put him at right guard, Mike and when you at right tackle, I'm guessing it was to
00:04:24maybe try and get a little bit more push in the run game on that right side, but to mess
00:04:29with the continuity after a game that you had your best, uh, pressure percentage against
00:04:36the loud was a puzzling decision, especially when Tennessee's best player, Jeffrey Simmons,
00:04:42who is a monster defensive tackle is along the interior.
00:04:46And you put a rookie in Leighton Robinson coming off an injury, who's had issues in
00:04:50past protection, basically one-on-one against him.
00:04:53When your best lineman is Mike and window and he's been playing right guard and he's,
00:04:57we all like to say, and Scott Peters has even said he's a guard, he's best at guard.
00:05:02So that decision was puzzling.
00:05:05It didn't last long.
00:05:06Leighton Robinson played 21 snaps and then they went back to Mike and when you and Trey
00:05:10Jacobs on the right side, settled it down a little bit, still not much in the run game
00:05:14and we'll talk plenty about the run game, but puzzling decision out of the gate, they're
00:05:20putting Leighton Robinson in when Jeffrey Simmons, uh, is on the other side of the office
00:05:24on the defensive line there.
00:05:26I hated it.
00:05:27I mean, just, just, just point blank.
00:05:28I hated it from the moment I saw the tweets that they have a different offensive line.
00:05:33How much have we talked about consistency, consistency, consistency, and I know, Oh,
00:05:37you're the media.
00:05:38Who cares?
00:05:39I'm getting this from Dante Skarnecchia.
00:05:40This was some Dante Skarnecchia talked about a ton.
00:05:42So if you want to say it's a non-starting talking point, you can take that up with the
00:05:45greatest offensive line coach in the history of this game.
00:05:49You had an offensive line that was starting to work together.
00:05:51That was it an all-star cast?
00:05:54No, but for what it's been this year was playing relatively well.
00:05:58That includes your best lineman who the offensive line coach, like you said, Brian, thank you
00:06:02for pointing that out, told us is best as a guard that they wanted to guard law as a
00:06:06guard longterm.
00:06:07When may I was asked after the game, why they made the change?
00:06:10He deflected answering about the initial change and talked about why they made the change
00:06:16in game saying, well, you know, Jeffrey Simmons was killing us and we wanted our best player
00:06:20on him.
00:06:21You knew Jeffrey Simmons crazy on the inside before the game.
00:06:25I know he knew because I always pay attention to this because this is the thing with bill.
00:06:30I always made a point of noticing when bill did the breakdown on Wednesday that Gerard
00:06:35Mayo is now doing right where he goes through the whole team.
00:06:38Who's the first player bill mentions.
00:06:40I always made a point of recognizing that.
00:06:43Well, not just the game record, but like it's clearly like that's who's on top of his mind.
00:06:47The first player Gerard Mayo mentioned on Wednesday, Jeffrey Simmons, you knew he was
00:06:53going to be there in the middle being a problem.
00:06:55And not only did, did Leighton Robinson struggle.
00:06:58And I think they liked Leighton Robinson too much.
00:07:01Maybe he'll be a good player down the road.
00:07:03He's not ready.
00:07:05He's not ready to be out there.
00:07:06He can't pass block.
00:07:07It's a good run blocker and I'm with you.
00:07:08I think they wanted to jumpstart the run game.
00:07:11He can't, he's a liability pass blocking.
00:07:13He needs more work behind the scenes.
00:07:16Not only did that impact there, you saw Ben Brown and, and, and Michael Jordan have their
00:07:23worst games of the year.
00:07:25And I don't think though, now Jefferson is a fantastic player and he gets some credit
00:07:29here too.
00:07:30Cause I think he's one of the most underrated players in the league.
00:07:32He gets credit here.
00:07:33Absolutely.
00:07:34But I don't think it's unrelated that you change one spot on the interior and two other
00:07:39guys suddenly fall off.
00:07:41I don't think that's a coincidence.
00:07:43Those two things are related.
00:07:44So Lane Robinson should not be in the lineup next week pending injury, but it looked like
00:07:50they got out of the game healthy.
00:07:52Like they, they have a group, they're building consistency, stick with it.
00:07:58If they think Lane Robinson's an answer down the road, figure that out down the road, I'll
00:08:03put on top of that.
00:08:05I don't need Lane Robinson to be an answer.
00:08:07Neither should they.
00:08:08And this is why I, that pick bothered me at the time.
00:08:11Again, Scott Peters told us they think Michael and when it was best as a guard.
00:08:16I don't know if there's some urgency to get them out to tackle so they don't have to add
00:08:19a tackle this off season.
00:08:21Cause this also came, remember in the same week, well, this also came in the same week
00:08:26that Gerard Mayo told us that if an area low could be an answer longterm, we talked about
00:08:29that on the last show.
00:08:30Darian Lowe has been solid this year, but he's been fine.
00:08:34Is that sustainable?
00:08:35And ideally you want a little better than fine at such a high impact position.
00:08:39Are they trying to set themselves up to be able to take a Travis Hunter, to be able to
00:08:43take a Ted, a Ted McMillan's too early, do any of that.
00:08:46But like Michael and when it was not an answer, tackle, it's not, he's not late and Robinson's
00:08:51not the answer.
00:08:52Gordon keep my code window on the inside and of all the games to do it against Jeffrey
00:08:57Sweat, who was really good in this game as well, major unforced error by the coaching
00:09:03staff.
00:09:04Definitely.
00:09:05Definitely agree.
00:09:06I do wonder, and I, I agree with you on the continuity.
00:09:09We've discussed that a lot the whole year dating back to even training camp.
00:09:14I wonder if maybe they try something new at left guard because it was Jordan's worst game,
00:09:21but he has been trending downwards.
00:09:23You know, I talked about this last week that maybe they could be a switch there.
00:09:28And I mean, Ben Brown's their only center and you don't want to get on him too much
00:09:31because it's, it's a tough situation.
00:09:34You know, he got signed off a practice squad less than a month ago, but you know, his play
00:09:39hasn't been great either.
00:09:40And they're going against Jeffrey Simmons and Tavandre sweat, tough matchups.
00:09:43But yeah, those guys like the run game has been a big part, I think though those struggles
00:09:50there.
00:09:51I mean, maybe they try Lane Robinson on the left side.
00:09:53If they love him so much, we still haven't seen, you know, city, even still, sorry to
00:09:59cut you off.
00:10:00If this guy's struggling, the answer is not to move him to another position.
00:10:03He has been practicing it.
00:10:04I'd go to city.
00:10:05So at that point, or if cold straight, I think we're still probably a couple of weeks away,
00:10:08but cold, strange.
00:10:10That's I think your best five, if everyone's healthy, it's like the Darien low at left
00:10:17tackle city.
00:10:18So at left guard, cold, strange at center, Michael window at right tackle and trade Jacobs
00:10:23at right tackle or on window at right guard, trade Jacobs at right tackle, or if Caden
00:10:28Wallace comes back.
00:10:29Although I think trade Jacobs has been, you know, solid next to Mike and when you're,
00:10:33but they seem to have a battle there.
00:10:35You can have a battle.
00:10:36I would just push back on, on cold strain to center.
00:10:38We don't know what he's going to look like at center.
00:10:40That's going to be a project.
00:10:41I is one bad game for Ben Brown.
00:10:45I'll let it ride with him a little bit more before I go there.
00:10:47I still think he's their best center right now.
00:10:49I reserve the right.
00:10:50Changed my mind, but I, he's the one bad guy that, no, they have, um, but, um, I'll let
00:10:59it ride with Ben Brown for now, you know, one bad game against a guy like Jeffrey Simmons.
00:11:04Let me see if he can bounce back next week.
00:11:05Yep.
00:11:06Yeah.
00:11:07I just wonder if, you know, cause they, they need to start running the football and I wonder
00:11:12so much of that does seem to be on the offensive line.
00:11:15But they've had negative yards before contact each of the last four weeks.
00:11:20And that coincides with both Drake taking over and Ben Brown playing center.
00:11:24So again, they're not going to change off Ben Brown right now.
00:11:28Maybe if there are confident when, when Cole strange comes back there, but I do wonder
00:11:32if for as much as we've talked about continuity, if there is a change they could make right
00:11:39now that could help just the run game, because they got to get something going there.
00:11:43You know, Drake, the leading rusher yesterday, 95 yards on the eight scrambles.
00:11:47The running backs had 12 carries for 15 total yards.
00:11:51They have one run of 10 plus yards in the last month.
00:11:55I know you have tons of stats about the Russian game too, but if there is a change on that
00:11:59offensive line, I would just wonder if they make that to try to get this run game going
00:12:04because we'll definitely discuss Drake more, but like it's all in his hands right now.
00:12:09They need a run game to try and help him a little bit.
00:12:12And maybe a switch up front on that offensive line could help that.
00:12:15Yeah.
00:12:16Drake may can't be the entire run game and he is right now.
00:12:18So I'll give you one of these stats, Brian.
00:12:20I've kind of been looking at these all day where it go.
00:12:24Since Drake met the heck there it is.
00:12:29Since Drake may took over his Patriots starting quarterback in week six, he has 197 rushing
00:12:34yards.
00:12:35It's good.
00:12:3610.4 yards for carry one 97.
00:12:38Everybody else combined one 45, 1.9 yards per carry.
00:12:44He is their run game.
00:12:45They have zero run game without Drake may zero run game without him.
00:12:50That's not sustainable.
00:12:52Just like we talked about at the beginning of the year when they were running all over
00:12:55the Bengals and we said, well, he had a 120 yards, 118 of them came after contact.
00:13:00That's not sustainable.
00:13:02This is kind of the same thing where it looks good now.
00:13:05You can't do this for 17 games.
00:13:08You can't.
00:13:09I don't know that you can do it for eight.
00:13:11They got to find a way to run the football.
00:13:14Yeah.
00:13:15He's been averaging like 40, I think it was 45, just over 45, 46 dropbacks a game.
00:13:21Like yesterday they just, and they were down late.
00:13:23So that contributed to it, but they had just had a ditch.
00:13:25I think they called like 15, 16 straight pass plays because they just can't run the football.
00:13:30So not sustainable.
00:13:31They got to get something going there.
00:13:33Most of that does look like it is on the offensive line.
00:13:35So maybe there's a switch, but the early switch laid in Robinson for Michael when new
00:13:40head scratcher, not a great choice there.
00:13:45But the next coaching staff kind of puzzling decision.
00:13:49Have we ever seen them mess up a end of the first half situation because they got the
00:13:54ball.
00:13:55I don't, I didn't write down the time.
00:13:57What it was like one 45 left to go in the first half.
00:14:02They went like 14 yard completion to Kendrick born nine yard completion to Kendrick born
00:14:07second and one.
00:14:08They run it, which Michael hasty stuffed, and now they sub in, you know, a heavy personnel
00:14:13group on third and one run it with Ramond Ray stuff punt back to the other team.
00:14:19They didn't waste the whole first half and that was prices shank too.
00:14:23So luckily they didn't give up any points there, but just another kind of botched first
00:14:28half.
00:14:29End of the first half situation there, which again is a reoccurring error repeater or whatever
00:14:34draw mail wants to call it, but they are making the mistakes that he says we can't make and
00:14:40they keep doing it.
00:14:41I know you have your rant like every week we've heard it pretty much.
00:14:44So I mean, do you have it memorized at this point?
00:14:49Like I don't know how much more I have to add.
00:14:51This is six times now, six times they've had a two minute drill at the end of the first
00:14:55half.
00:14:56They scored once.
00:14:57Cause Drake may just went banana land.
00:14:59They killed the clock once, which I know people were annoyed.
00:15:02They didn't push the ball.
00:15:03Holy crap.
00:15:04At this point, I'll just give them credit for executing a plan.
00:15:07Even if it's not the right plan, actually executed a plan in four times, they've botched
00:15:10it four of six that 75% of the time they've botched with, you know, that scenario.
00:15:17And they've gotten lucky.
00:15:18Like the Titans turned around and threw up all over themselves.
00:15:21So it didn't put any extra points up on the board for the opponent that happened against
00:15:24Miami as well.
00:15:26It should be more costly than it's been, but their inability to operate at the end of the
00:15:32first half is mind blowing because they, they, after the first game, like Gerard was asked
00:15:37about it and he was like, yeah, it was bad.
00:15:40And I think even after the second one, he was like, yeah, we need to learn from these.
00:15:43He do it.
00:15:44All that.
00:15:45Uh, didn't he call it like a carbon copy after the second time?
00:15:47Yeah.
00:15:48No, he knew.
00:15:49Cause it is, it's the same free.
00:15:50This one was a little different because they started moving the ball and that's what kills
00:15:53me.
00:15:54It's like, you know, it's like foot 14 yards, Kendrick Bourne, uh, intermediate out nine
00:15:58yards, Kendrick Bourne, intermediate out.
00:16:00He's getting to the sideline.
00:16:01He's stopping the clock.
00:16:02The Titans were giving that to you.
00:16:03Not to like take anything away from mayor born, but that's not exactly putting it in
00:16:07the keyhole.
00:16:08It's, it's not exactly the, you know, the crisp route that's getting him.
00:16:11He's just open.
00:16:12He's just open.
00:16:13The Titans weren't covering that route.
00:16:14They were continually giving it to second and one on a two minute trail.
00:16:18Take a freaking shot, man.
00:16:21You're going to have one, maybe two more plays to pick that up.
00:16:24You should, there's, you don't have the time to be hype focused on that one yard.
00:16:29And by the way, you don't have the run game for it either.
00:16:32So this one was a little different, I guess, and how they botched it, but they botched
00:16:37it again.
00:16:38And it's, it's, it's now four times in nine games.
00:16:44Plus if you want to throw the one, if you want to say they should have pushed it, pushed
00:16:47it against the jets.
00:16:48Yes.
00:16:49They didn't punt back.
00:16:50I think I said this on the sports of today.
00:16:52I'll give him credit for one and a half out of six.
00:16:57What is that as, as, as a percentage, 1.5 out of six, it's 25%.
00:17:05So quarter of the time, they're getting that right.
00:17:06That is a key situation you need to be getting.
00:17:09And I'm not saying they need to score a touchdown every time.
00:17:13You should not be punting the ball back.
00:17:15Not with the significant amount of time left on the clock.
00:17:18And they've done that four or six times.
00:17:21You can't have it.
00:17:22You just, there's no other way to put it.
00:17:24You can't have it.
00:17:25And I'm sure we'll have this discussion again in a week or two, because at this point, I,
00:17:29I just don't have faith in them to fix it because they haven't fixed it.
00:17:33It's kind of insane how many just times they've been put in that opportunity to begin with.
00:17:37And then yeah, now that they've been put in this opportunity, they keep botching the situation.
00:17:41So I had to go back when I was writing about this post game, I had to go back to my last
00:17:47two post game columns and make sure I didn't copy myself and make sure I didn't plagiarize
00:17:51myself.
00:17:52Cause I'm like, I've written about this so many times.
00:17:54I don't know like how many ways I can make this point differently.
00:17:57Cause I don't want to be repetitive, but goodness just keeps coming up.
00:18:01I just, I mean, yeah, you complete two, you pick up 25 yards on two completions and Drake
00:18:07may is the best thing you got going for you.
00:18:09I don't get why you take it out of his, his hands there.
00:18:12Like you have to get that one yard, I guess.
00:18:14Yeah.
00:18:15If, if you imagine if you throw it twice, you're going to be able to pick up the first
00:18:19down and keep this thing moving.
00:18:21So a puzzling, puzzling decision there wasted opportunity for potential points in a game
00:18:27that went to overtime and you could have used some points.
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00:19:49All right, the last kind of coaching decision that's been debated, um, since yesterday is
00:19:56the two point conversion, uh, at the end of the game, you know, Drake has that spectacular
00:20:01play.
00:20:0211.28 seconds.
00:20:03I, I believe it was running all around the backfield.
00:20:07He hits a remandre Stevenson in the end zone.
00:20:10Oh, what happened to Barth there?
00:20:16Did we lose them?
00:20:17We might've lost them, but, um, Drake running around, he hit Stevenson to go down.
00:20:25Oh,
00:20:26I was still trying to bring my other one in.
00:20:28Hang on.
00:20:30I, they don't construction outside my building.
00:20:32It's been screwed with the internet all day, but, um, yeah, you, you, you score you're
00:20:37down one.
00:20:38They kick the extra point, take the game into overtime.
00:20:40Uh, did you like that call or would you have been like, Hey, we're a two and six football
00:20:46team on the road.
00:20:48Let's just try to win this game here and now and go for the two point conversion.
00:20:53Yeah.
00:20:54I, uh, I, I don't want to say I liked the decision.
00:20:59I just, I think it's a toss up.
00:21:01So first of all, going for two, there's not as common as everybody seems to think it is.
00:21:06There's been, I went back to 2015 when they moved the PAT back, there's been six instances
00:21:12in the regular season where a team scored a touchdown to go down one pending the PAT
00:21:17in the final 10 seconds of the game for those teams kicked the extra point.
00:21:21Now they went one and three in overtime.
00:21:22So maybe that supports going for two, uh, one team got the two point conversion.
00:21:27One team didn't, I, I don't know that that's informative because these are all very different
00:21:32situations.
00:21:33Patrick Holmes was the quarterback in one game.
00:21:34I think, um, Colt McCoy was the quarterback in one of them.
00:21:38Like it's irrelevant.
00:21:39Right.
00:21:40So that's just historical.
00:21:41Like, cause I've seen people say, Oh, of course you go for two in college.
00:21:46You do because college football's more driven on emotion and stuff like that.
00:21:50It would have been doing that off of impulse.
00:21:53I would have hated that for the Patriots.
00:21:57If you've listened to me, you know how you've heard me say this before the decision to go,
00:22:02whether it's for a two point conversion, whether it's for a fourth down or whatever, the decision
00:22:07to go is only as good as the play call.
00:22:10So if you're in a situation where you, you think it might benefit going for two, but
00:22:18you don't like any of your two point plays, you don't go right.
00:22:22Like it just doesn't make sense.
00:22:23I run the play that you don't think is going to be successful just because, well, you know,
00:22:27we should rate it even worse.
00:22:28Well, the math tells us to do it.
00:22:30Right.
00:22:31So you look at this Patriots team.
00:22:32They ran three prior to that game.
00:22:34They ran three snaps from the two yard line.
00:22:35The season only scored on one of them from inside the two they'd scored of on, I think
00:22:40four, they scored on four of nine plays.
00:22:43So just under 50%, they couldn't pick up the short yardage earlier in the game.
00:22:47They were struggling to get it in from the five.
00:22:48It took them three plays and some playground heroics by Drake may.
00:22:52I don't, I didn't feel as they started going, I saw people saying, do you go for two?
00:22:58I didn't feel particularly confident that they were going to get it if they did.
00:23:03And if they felt the same way, now that goes to another problem.
00:23:07You should go into every game with three, two point plays that you feel really good
00:23:10about.
00:23:12And they, they were one for one this year.
00:23:13They had the one against the jets last week with just check down or Mondrian.
00:23:17They had the one in London where, where Jalen Polk fell down.
00:23:21I do understand.
00:23:22It's not good, but I do understand if they didn't feel good about the ability to pick
00:23:25up the two yards.
00:23:26And then you bring in the factor of, was the offense just gassed, right?
00:23:29And they didn't have a timeout.
00:23:31I was fine with it.
00:23:32Now, if you want to say, well, the defense was gassed to, you know, they're two and six.
00:23:36What do they have to lose?
00:23:38Drake may is, is doing all this.
00:23:40Like I'm not necessarily disagreeing with anybody who says they should have gone for
00:23:44two.
00:23:45I did.
00:23:46It's a real like football argument.
00:23:49It's an agree to disagree thing.
00:23:50Cause it comes down to philosophy.
00:23:51I don't think that there's a wrong decision there.
00:23:54I prefer kicking it, but I understand the argument for going for two.
00:23:58That's why this one doesn't bother me a ton.
00:23:59You know, what bothers me a ton is again, failing to get points at the end of the first
00:24:03half that present prevent that situation, botching your offensive line, not being able
00:24:08to stop the run in overtime, just like the Jags did the Titans body blow, body blow, body
00:24:13blow 5.1 yards for Gary on eight runs in overtime.
00:24:16Only one went for less than four yards.
00:24:19They just carved them up on the ground and overtime that happening, like defensive coach
00:24:24sending your unit out.
00:24:26That bothers me a lot more than kicking the extra point.
00:24:30I, I, it, I can't get fired up about it.
00:24:32I can't, I see the argument both ways.
00:24:35I would have kicked.
00:24:36I understand wanting to go for two.
00:24:38People are saying like that decision costs them the game.
00:24:40I don't think it did.
00:24:42I, cause that's implying that they would have gotten it.
00:24:44And I really don't think they would have gotten it.
00:24:47So go to overtime.
00:24:48Give yourself another chance.
00:24:49Extend the game.
00:24:50I, that's the one I was fine with.
00:24:52And I'm sure the comment people will say, look at Barth making excuses for the coaches
00:24:56ignoring the first 23 minutes of the show, but I I'm okay with that decision.
00:25:00That didn't bother me at all.
00:25:01Yeah.
00:25:02It didn't bother me too much either.
00:25:03I will say when they were marching down the field, I was kind of thinking like if you
00:25:09do score, cause I do like to be aggressive, especially when you're a bad football team,
00:25:13right?
00:25:14You're playing a one in six Titans team.
00:25:16Be aggressive.
00:25:17What do you have to lose?
00:25:19I was saying score.
00:25:20If you score, that would be the perfect time to call one of those design runs for Drake
00:25:25may, right?
00:25:26Like we saw the read option in the, in the preseason home game, his first touchdown AVP
00:25:31said this week, like we're going to bring that out not often, but maybe in important
00:25:35situations.
00:25:36I thought that would have been a great time to do that because yeah, they haven't been
00:25:41able to stop them on the ground pretty much all day.
00:25:44And that's, you know, put the ball in your best, in the hands of your best player.
00:25:48But you watch that drive, an 11 play drive, a fourth down conversion.
00:25:53And then the last play where he's running all around, like they were gassed.
00:25:56And, you know, he said that the emotions, um, he was just trying to catch his breath.
00:26:01I, I get, you know, just saying, okay, let's kick the extra point, which they almost missed,
00:26:07which that would have been another issue.
00:26:09But, uh, and like, let's trust the defense cause it is Mason Rudolph.
00:26:13He would have liked a little better performance, uh, in that overtime period.
00:26:16But yeah, it was shades of London then where, where they're just running the ball right
00:26:19down your throat.
00:26:20So it wasn't too fired up about that one way or another.
00:26:25But as you said, I definitely get the, uh, argument for it.
00:26:29And, you know, again, you're a two and six team, like maybe be aggressive, but get the
00:26:34extra point and go to overtime.
00:26:36So, um, those were the kind of three big coaching decisions.
00:26:40I don't know.
00:26:41Did you care at all about the wind factor and overtime playing into the wind?
00:26:45I mean, you should be keeping track of the wind when you're deciding which way to kick,
00:26:50pick up some grass and throw it like it made it sound like they didn't consider that and,
00:26:55and they maybe missed it.
00:26:56So I, it was a little vague.
00:26:57The answer was he saying that the wind changed and they adjust it or did he miss it?
00:27:03I mean, that's a bad miss.
00:27:04If they miss it.
00:27:05I didn't really understand that answer.
00:27:07They shouldn't have been going like, look, shouldn't have been going into the wind and
00:27:10overtime.
00:27:11That, that is another one that bugs me more than a two point.
00:27:13Don't be going into the wind and overtime, whether it was intentional, whether they missed
00:27:16it.
00:27:17I guess missing it is technically worse, but like, don't go into the wind and overtime
00:27:21one way or the other.
00:27:22Yep.
00:27:23And I think Drake kind of downplayed it today.
00:27:25He was on the radio a couple hours ago because he said after the game, you know, I threw
00:27:30it into the wind and I, you know, I got to put more on it.
00:27:34He kind of downplayed it today and just said, you know, he said that to make himself feel
00:27:37better.
00:27:39You missed the field goal going that same direction earlier in the game, in the first
00:27:43quarter.
00:27:44And, you know, it's just making things harder on yourself.
00:27:47If you're going into the wind, you know, in overtime, you might need those points.
00:27:49So it was kind of a weird answer that Mayo said this morning.
00:27:54He just said the wind changed from the beginning to the end of the game.
00:27:57I don't know, as you said, when that, when he's judging that off of, but right.
00:28:02Something you got to keep, keep track of because it can come back to haunt you and cost you
00:28:07there.
00:28:08Um, that's coaching staff again, some big, big kind of errors and mess ups, uh, in this
00:28:14one, but let's get into a little bit more of Drake may.
00:28:18They rode the rookie rollercoaster with him.
00:28:21Uh, 95 rushing yards that we talked about, uh, led the team that was the most scramble
00:28:27yards of any quarterback in a game this season.
00:28:29And he also threw 206 yards, uh, the game tying touchdown there at the end of regulation
00:28:35where again, he's running all around.
00:28:36But then he has two interceptions, one to end the game.
00:28:40He has got a strip sack late in the fourth quarter that gives Tennessee the lead.
00:28:44So again, that rollercoaster it's tough cause he's doing everything, you know, he, he is
00:28:51the offense.
00:28:52It was a one man show, but, uh, what'd you take from his performance in Tennessee yesterday?
00:28:58Yeah, I, his game right now screams to me just an internal dialogue of, I guess I'll
00:29:06have to do it myself.
00:29:07And I don't blame him.
00:29:08Like I understand why he thinks that wide receiver dropping balls left and right.
00:29:12Can't get a clean pocket.
00:29:14Um, if you look at it, he had 301 total yards.
00:29:18The Patriots, when you factor in sacks at 280.
00:29:21So he actually was responsible for more yards and the Patriots went on the books were total,
00:29:25which is a great way to sum up his game.
00:29:27Now.
00:29:28That's not like, that's not to say he was great.
00:29:30I don't know that I'm gonna call any quarterback that turned the ball over three times.
00:29:34Great.
00:29:35One of those is just a blown Reed rookie mistake.
00:29:38Can't have that.
00:29:39The fumble, you know, he was a little careless with the ball back there in the pocket to
00:29:44Michael hasty can probably do a better job jumping on that, but shouldn't have gotten
00:29:47it knocked out.
00:29:48And then the last one, I, everything he said after the game, a hundred percent, like, I,
00:29:52I understand what he saw, but given how difficult that throw is, you have to Michael hasty in
00:29:58the flat for seven yards, plenty of time left to get down the field, live another down,
00:30:03live another down there.
00:30:05And I know we all got excited.
00:30:06We thought it was the Tom Brady in Miami moment that popped into my head as that ball was
00:30:10in the air, but he's not Tom Brady.
00:30:13So like he was, it's that same thing where like overall, you like what you see because
00:30:19he's a guy they can build around and he's giving them every reason to get aggressive
00:30:24this off season and building around it, which is good, but that helps not coming for a while.
00:30:28And he's trying to do too much right now.
00:30:30And it's causing him to be careless with the football and make bad decisions.
00:30:34If this becomes a habit, his ceiling gets significantly capped.
00:30:39So they need to find ways to take a little bit off of his plate right now and then get
00:30:44the help in the off season.
00:30:45The turnovers have to come down, have to come down.
00:30:48He's given the ball away four times in essentially three games.
00:30:51That's not sustainable.
00:30:53Like the way he, that plus the rushing, the way he's playing right now is not sustainable.
00:30:58The flashes are there and there's plenty to build around, but he's got to be more careful
00:31:03with the football.
00:31:04And I think some of that is going to come with just getting more talent on the offense.
00:31:08Yeah.
00:31:09Yeah.
00:31:10I mean, he is a, he's a playmaker, right?
00:31:12He's not Matt Jones game manager.
00:31:15So that's part of the gig when you're, you know, a playmaker, you're going to take some
00:31:20risk and stuff like that.
00:31:22And he is only 22 and he is shouldering the load.
00:31:25So that stuff's going to come.
00:31:27But the highs and the ability to kind of elevate the offense right now is really optimistic.
00:31:34We got to talk Devon Godshaw said he's Josh Allen 2.0.
00:31:38It is a little similar, like the turnovers early in their career.
00:31:43Like I think they were both at like 5% right over 5% turnover worthy plays in their rookie
00:31:49year.
00:31:50And then Allen was able to get that down a little bit, you know, with different play
00:31:53callers, some help around him at the receiver position.
00:31:56But I think definitely in God shall even said like Drake is ahead of where Josh Allen
00:32:04was as a rookie.
00:32:05Like it is his rookie year was a disaster for interceptions every single game.
00:32:10Yeah.
00:32:11Like I think you're seeing the in-structure stuff when it's there and it's presentable.
00:32:16If there's protection and there's a throw to be made, like Drake is making that it's
00:32:19mostly accurate.
00:32:21I don't think there was as many sprayed this week.
00:32:25He was mostly accurate.
00:32:27So that was a positive.
00:32:28But yeah, I think there's just a lot of flashes, a lot of things to be optimistic about, but
00:32:36he is doing it all.
00:32:37And when he has to do that at this point in his career, there's going to be kind of those
00:32:42ups and downs and you're seeing that.
00:32:44So you just hope he learns from it, kind of gets that out of the system.
00:32:47As you said, better players around him, which hopefully will come in the future, should
00:32:51help that.
00:32:53You know, Godshaw even said players are going to want to start coming to play here with
00:32:57him, with a guy like that.
00:32:58So hopefully that helps.
00:32:59But I think it's pretty encouraging still what you saw yesterday and what what the ability
00:33:05is of him at the quarterback position.
00:33:08Yeah.
00:33:09Yeah.
00:33:10Um.
00:33:11Anything else on Drake just in general, but I feel like we're going to get to a broken
00:33:18record with him because I don't think the turnovers are going to slow down this year,
00:33:20unfortunately.
00:33:21And you're going to still see some spectacular plays.
00:33:23I mean, he made like three throws on the run yesterday that were on freaking believable.
00:33:28And it's just going to be, you know, finding that balance, the one, the pop, the little
00:33:32roll out to his right, lofted it over like four or five defenders.
00:33:36That was very pretty.
00:33:37I will say you're starting to see it is.
00:33:39Oops, sorry.
00:33:40Go ahead.
00:33:41No, you can go.
00:33:43It is Drake May adjacent.
00:33:46Do you feel any differently?
00:33:48What?
00:33:49Drake May adjacent?
00:33:50No.
00:33:51Drake May adjacent.
00:33:52Like this question is Drake May adjacent.
00:33:54Oh, do you feel any differently about what the Patriots top priority should be in the
00:33:59draft?
00:34:00Not really.
00:34:01All right.
00:34:02Tackle or wide receiver.
00:34:03Are you like picking one of those?
00:34:04Well, so I'm still, I still end of the day, want to see him take tackle.
00:34:05I still think that's the best move.
00:34:06I.
00:34:07You could.
00:34:08I'm starting to kind of see the argument for Tet McMillan or, or Travis Hunter.
00:34:09I still don't think it's the right pick, but I'm like, I don't want to phrase it because
00:34:10I'm going to have a bunch of people.
00:34:11Oh, you changed your mind.
00:34:12Like, no, still take a tackle.
00:34:13Yeah.
00:34:14Yeah.
00:34:15Yeah.
00:34:16Yeah.
00:34:17Yeah.
00:34:18Yeah.
00:34:19Yeah.
00:34:20Yeah.
00:34:21Yeah.
00:34:22Yeah.
00:34:23Yeah.
00:34:24Yeah.
00:34:25Yeah.
00:34:26Yeah.
00:34:27Yeah.
00:34:28Yeah.
00:34:29Yeah.
00:34:30Yeah.
00:34:31Yeah.
00:34:32Yeah.
00:34:33Yeah.
00:34:34Yeah.
00:34:35Yeah.
00:34:36Yeah.
00:34:37Yeah.
00:34:38Yeah.
00:34:39Yeah.
00:34:40Yeah.
00:34:41No, still take a tackle.
00:34:42I, I, I think that a wide receiver with the way Drake pays play could maybe have more
00:34:45of an impact than I initially thought.
00:34:47I still think tackle is going to have the most impact.
00:34:49I still think the picture would be left tackle.
00:34:51You want to talk to me about Arianza air seat.
00:34:52Maybe there's another guy in the mix and it's not we'll Campbell or Calvin Banks.
00:34:55Like we can totally talk about that, but yeah, it's, this is a good point.
00:35:02It's like a little guilty pleasure.
00:35:03I know it's probably not the best thing,
00:35:06and at the end of the day,
00:35:06I don't think I'm gonna do it, but.
00:35:07It's getting, it's getting, let me, all right.
00:35:11Here's how I really went.
00:35:13I still think they should take a tackle.
00:35:14It's getting harder and harder to say no to the receiver,
00:35:18basically, is where I'm at.
00:35:19But I'll just double down,
00:35:22go get the guy in free agency or via trade.
00:35:24Like, I'm doubling down on DK Metcalf, man.
00:35:27Like, if you put DK Metcalf in this offense with that guy,
00:35:30look the fuck out.
00:35:34Especially just with Tat, like the skillset,
00:35:37it would be a perfect match there.
00:35:40But so much of that.
00:35:41Metcalf too.
00:35:42Yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:35:43So maybe, are you even warming up to me?
00:35:47Don't welcome me to wide receiver group.
00:35:50I still tackle.
00:35:51End of the day, tackle.
00:35:53It should be a tackle.
00:35:54Getting a little harder to say no to the receiver.
00:35:56It's fun to picture.
00:35:57I'm having more fun with the block than I thought I would.
00:35:59You wanna make people really mad?
00:36:00Are you maybe warming up to edge in the first round?
00:36:05No, you're not there yet.
00:36:06I wouldn't hate if they went out
00:36:08and traded for Chase Young tomorrow,
00:36:09especially seeing what Barron Browning went for.
00:36:11I wouldn't hate that.
00:36:12But it's also too, like, this edge class is legit.
00:36:16And you're gonna get a really good player
00:36:18at the top of the second round.
00:36:19You're gonna get a potential impact player.
00:36:21That's not true at tackle.
00:36:23I don't think it's gonna be true at receiver.
00:36:25Like, the caliber of player that will be there
00:36:27at 34, 35, 36, the edge defender that will be there,
00:36:32the pass rusher that will be there
00:36:33is a much better player relative to his position
00:36:36than the receiver or tackle
00:36:37that will be there at that point.
00:36:38So no, I'm not going there with their pass rushers.
00:36:42Not that.
00:36:43I was just, like, it's November.
00:36:45So there's a long way to go with these things.
00:36:47But, you know, the worst thing you can do
00:36:51is overdraft at a position
00:36:53and get a guy who's not worth it.
00:36:54So if maybe these tackles don't prove worthy
00:36:57of a top 10 pick,
00:36:58or, you know, we've talked about Tett
00:37:00being a little inconsistent.
00:37:01If, you know, you study them a little bit more
00:37:03and you see that and you're not sold on a top 10 pick
00:37:07and, you know, the best edge player is sitting there
00:37:10maybe after you trade down a few spots.
00:37:12Like, that's when I would say
00:37:13maybe that becomes into a consideration.
00:37:15The trade down Tett McMillan Ariante air C package
00:37:20does look pretty good right now.
00:37:21That would be a dream.
00:37:22That would be a dream, so.
00:37:24All right, yeah, that's a little draft talk.
00:37:28But Drake May, the only other thing I'll say on Drake
00:37:31is you are, Tennessee played pretty much all zone coverage.
00:37:34And that was something we talked about.
00:37:36Like he took off the first or second play of scrimmage
00:37:40that long run when they were at man.
00:37:41And then they said, scratch that.
00:37:43We played over 85% zone coverage.
00:37:46So you're starting to see how defenses
00:37:49kind of will start to guard him a little bit differently
00:37:52with the threat of his legs.
00:37:54So, but optimistic, encouraging stuff for the most part.
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00:39:29All right, a few other rookies there
00:39:32on the offensive side of the ball.
00:39:33I wanna talk about Jalen Polk and Javon Baker,
00:39:36the receivers.
00:39:37Polk comes back from the concussion he missed last week.
00:39:40He only played nine snaps, gets called for two penalties.
00:39:44Gerard Mayo said this morning, you know,
00:39:46they weren't great calls.
00:39:48He didn't love the hold.
00:39:49He kind of blamed the illegal shift on the quarterbacks,
00:39:53making sure everyone's gotta get set,
00:39:55but he put himself in that position.
00:39:58And then he didn't get, he got one target.
00:40:00It was the interception, wasn't really Polk's fault,
00:40:03but no catches, two penalties,
00:40:06not a great showing from Polk.
00:40:07And then Baker, he only played four snaps.
00:40:10He ran two routes.
00:40:11He got open on both routes.
00:40:14Didn't get the ball because of past protection issues.
00:40:16So would like to see more Javon Baker.
00:40:19And it's tough right now to see a role for Jalen Polk
00:40:24in the offense with his play, what he's showing right now.
00:40:28Yeah, I think I've seen enough.
00:40:30And I know I was saying last week,
00:40:31you gotta get him back on the field.
00:40:32You gotta let him work through it.
00:40:33He's lost right now just with the penalties and all that.
00:40:37Javon Baker's a little different.
00:40:39He actually got open.
00:40:40I think he had, what, five offensive snaps?
00:40:41Did get open on one of them.
00:40:42Drake May didn't have enough time to get him the ball, but.
00:40:44Both of them he got open.
00:40:46Yeah, he did.
00:40:48So I keep throwing him out there a little bit.
00:40:51It's not good with Jalen Polk right now.
00:40:53It's just not good.
00:40:53And you gotta sit him down
00:40:55and let him figure it out in practice
00:40:56because it's not fair to everybody else.
00:40:58You're at the point where like the guy's hurting the offense
00:41:02every time he's on the field.
00:41:03And I've talked about this before.
00:41:04Ideally what's best for Drake May
00:41:06and what's best for Jalen Polk are the same thing
00:41:07because you want to develop both players.
00:41:09That's not the case right now.
00:41:11It's not.
00:41:11You gotta default to what's best for Drake May.
00:41:13He's a quarterback.
00:41:14Yep.
00:41:16Yeah, it's tough.
00:41:17I don't want to put the bus labeled on him
00:41:20because it's seven or eight games
00:41:24into his rookie year there,
00:41:25but it hasn't been an encouraging start.
00:41:27I mean, I hate to do this generally
00:41:31when it comes to wide receivers.
00:41:32If it starts this way, it continues this way.
00:41:35Generally first year production is indicative
00:41:37of what the career is going to be.
00:41:39That's been the trend in the last five or six years.
00:41:40We have a couple of outliers here and there,
00:41:41but generally you start strong.
00:41:45You're going to be a good player.
00:41:46You don't start strong.
00:41:48You're not.
00:41:48You don't have many guys that get it going
00:41:50their second, third, fourth year.
00:41:51You also don't have many guys
00:41:52that have a great rookie year in fall off.
00:41:54It's generally pretty indicative.
00:41:55So, you know, for a guy like Javon Baker,
00:41:57it's a little different because he just hasn't played.
00:41:59So we don't really know.
00:42:00He's like Booty last year.
00:42:02Yeah. Like like, yeah.
00:42:03Kashawn Booty doesn't get, he played one game.
00:42:05We never saw really what he was going to be.
00:42:08So that's different.
00:42:09I'm talking about when guys play as rookies,
00:42:12generally the first year is indicative
00:42:14of what kind of player they're going to be.
00:42:15And it's not great for Jalen Polk right now.
00:42:19Yep. Yeah.
00:42:20Someone asked Baker was open.
00:42:22He, again, he ran two routes.
00:42:23They dialed up like this deep play action shot to him
00:42:26and he ran a nice route.
00:42:28He saw the explosiveness
00:42:29that the coaches are talking about.
00:42:31Got open, but there was a pass rusher in Drake May's face.
00:42:35You know, it was a longer developing play.
00:42:37So he couldn't get it out to him.
00:42:39And then his second route was just kind of like a
00:42:41one of those backside digs that you see May throw a lot.
00:42:45And he got open again.
00:42:46But I think that was when Leighton Robinson was still in
00:42:48and he got beat.
00:42:49So there was a guy in Drake's face again.
00:42:51So he couldn't get him the ball.
00:42:52So two routes and he gets open twice.
00:42:54I would like to see more Javon Baker.
00:42:57And I imagine we might start to see more of him too,
00:42:59more than four snaps.
00:43:01So encouraging and limited, limited, limited action.
00:43:04So, and someone says,
00:43:06I'll be calling for another Taekwondo breakout next year.
00:43:09I was not.
00:43:09Yeah, Brian.
00:43:10Why are you calling for all these Taekwondo breakouts?
00:43:13I think you got Alex's Ron co-hosts on this one.
00:43:17That's actually.
00:43:18Yeah, this is not catch 22s on Thursday.
00:43:20That should be an Evan question.
00:43:22I think our stance was pretty, pretty clear about Taekwondo.
00:43:24Yeah.
00:43:28Anything else on offense?
00:43:29I mean, Hunter Henry, Mr. Reliable, as always.
00:43:34I would like to see more Antonio Gibson.
00:43:38He only played like eight or nine snaps.
00:43:40And that goes back to, you know,
00:43:41we haven't talked about running Mondrian to the ground
00:43:45a lot like we did earlier in the season,
00:43:47but he's Gibson is an explosive player.
00:43:50I can't imagine that would hurt you more.
00:43:52I'd like to see more of him,
00:43:53but anything else in your notes on the offensive side
00:43:57of the ball before we wrap that up and go to the defense?
00:44:00Hunter Henry, you can say a clock to him.
00:44:02Mr. Reliable.
00:44:04Yep.
00:44:05Good on him.
00:44:06Good player.
00:44:07Good, good player.
00:44:08But yeah, defense just more of the same struggles
00:44:14at the line of scrimmage in the run game,
00:44:15the run fits, shedding blocks.
00:44:19You saw, we talked about a little bit earlier there.
00:44:21It felt like the London game again,
00:44:23where, you know, they're just running the ball
00:44:25right at you in overtime and you can't stop it.
00:44:29They had issues with the outside run game.
00:44:32Again, like they did against the Jets,
00:44:33Tony Pollard averaged nearly five yards to carry,
00:44:35you know, running to the outside edges,
00:44:38broke a couple lawn ones.
00:44:39He had that 30 yard explosive toss early in the game.
00:44:41So just more of the same issues there,
00:44:45struggle to get off the field on third downs too.
00:44:47It just, it kind of feels like the end of the half situation
00:44:51on the offensive side.
00:44:52It's just the same things over and over
00:44:55kind of plaguing the defense here.
00:44:57And you saw it again against Tennessee.
00:45:00Yeah, you know, it's tough to talk about
00:45:02without just being like,
00:45:03well, you remember, we talked about this.
00:45:04You remember, we talked about that.
00:45:07If you can't stop the run, nothing else is going to matter.
00:45:10If a team can run for five yards per carry on you,
00:45:12there's not a ton of incentive for them to get creative
00:45:14if they can just line up and push you back.
00:45:16And that's happening right now.
00:45:17Look, credit to Jelani Tavia.
00:45:18I actually thought he had a good game.
00:45:20He was better.
00:45:21Second week in a row, he's kind of improved.
00:45:23So that's encouraging,
00:45:24but it's going to take more than him turning it around
00:45:26to fix this thing.
00:45:27Again, in overtime, 5.1 yards per carry on the ground.
00:45:30They, just like the Jaguars did,
00:45:32they saw a chance to close out the game
00:45:34and went body, blow, body, blow, body, blow.
00:45:36Can't have it.
00:45:37Just can't have it.
00:45:38Yep.
00:45:39Yeah. Watching it back, Tavai,
00:45:41he gave up a couple of plays,
00:45:43especially one explosive play action,
00:45:46but you saw much more splash plays from him.
00:45:49Like he had the early tackle for loss,
00:45:51the interception on the goal line,
00:45:53obviously on the tip drill.
00:45:54He was really good as a pass rusher.
00:45:56I think PFF had him as like a 60% win rate.
00:46:00Yeah. They also had Daniel quality
00:46:01as the highest graded player for the Patriots in this game.
00:46:04So I, they might've gotten the wrong tape.
00:46:06That was interesting.
00:46:07Okay. That's yeah.
00:46:10They're not loading right now, so I can't see that,
00:46:12but yeah.
00:46:13Yeah. I'd want to keep that off the internet too.
00:46:16Yeah. It's a, it's definitely better than Tavai,
00:46:19even though he's still, you know, there's a player too.
00:46:22You'd like him to make that he doesn't.
00:46:25Anfernee Jennings, another monster role
00:46:27and kind of more production.
00:46:30He's not going to be, you know, a top tier pass rusher,
00:46:33but he led the team with four pressures, five run stops too.
00:46:36So kind of a typical game for Anfernee Jennings.
00:46:40I will say someone asked in the chat here, I just lost it,
00:46:43but what'd you think of Christian Gonzalez's performance
00:46:47right here?
00:46:48Someone said that he had a bad game.
00:46:49He had one pass breakup, which was beautiful coverage,
00:46:52but Ridley had five catches on him.
00:46:53It was actually, I think next gen finished it
00:46:56with three catches for 51 yards on Gonzalez.
00:46:59So some good, but some bad, especially in overtime,
00:47:02he gave up one reception kind of downfield,
00:47:05but what'd you think of Gonzo's game?
00:47:07He was fine.
00:47:07They were running these weird zone coverages,
00:47:09just kind of passing guys off to the middle of the field
00:47:11and they didn't have anybody in the middle.
00:47:13I don't know what that was, but you know,
00:47:16it wasn't his best game.
00:47:17I wouldn't say he was dominant.
00:47:18If he can give you that week in and week out,
00:47:20he's number one corner.
00:47:21I don't have too much of a problem with it.
00:47:22It wasn't his best game,
00:47:23but like he was so good against Adams last week.
00:47:26He wasn't that, it wasn't that,
00:47:28but I thought he played competitive
00:47:30against a good receiver.
00:47:31He was fine.
00:47:32I wouldn't call him an up.
00:47:32I wouldn't call him a down.
00:47:33He's sort of there.
00:47:35Yeah, not his best game, but.
00:47:38The bigger Jonathan Jones was,
00:47:40they were picking on Jonathan Jones quite a bit.
00:47:41And I wonder if, you know,
00:47:43the Patriots are getting really bad safety play right now,
00:47:45especially free safety.
00:47:46I wonder if you start playing Jonathan Jones
00:47:48at free safety because he still has the speed
00:47:50and the athleticism of the instincts.
00:47:52The coverage skills just aren't there
00:47:54like they used to be.
00:47:55Maybe he's dealing with an injury or something.
00:47:56You put him at free safety.
00:47:57So you get a body there, a veteran there,
00:48:00and then maybe it's more opportunities for Alex Austin,
00:48:02who's going to come off IR soon.
00:48:04Marco Wilson struggled in this game.
00:48:06I wouldn't give him more reps.
00:48:07So maybe it's more opportunities for Alex Austin.
00:48:09Maybe Marcella Stiles starts playing a little bit
00:48:11on defense, something like that.
00:48:13Yeah, they missed Kyle Duggar, definitely on the backend.
00:48:16You know, Del Pettis had some moments in the run game.
00:48:20I think Hawkins, the first play of overtime,
00:48:23or the first completion of overtime
00:48:24was kind of on Jalen Hawkins.
00:48:26So they definitely missed Duggar.
00:48:28Was it Hawkins or, I think it was Hawkins, right?
00:48:31I'm surprised they didn't call a penalty on that one
00:48:33where he came over the top and hit Ridley.
00:48:35Now they shouldn't have.
00:48:36I'm glad they picked up the flag.
00:48:37But in the modern NFL, that's usually a penalty.
00:48:39That felt like that could have been bad
00:48:41and it was avoidable.
00:48:43That's two weeks in a row on him too.
00:48:45Remember you had the one last week,
00:48:47like down the right sideline near the goal line
00:48:49where he kind of hit a guy late?
00:48:52Yeah, yeah.
00:48:53And he's trying to set the tone, I get it,
00:48:55but this team doesn't have that kind of margin for error.
00:48:58Yep.
00:49:00All right, any other notes to wrap up the defense?
00:49:05Oh, I can't say.
00:49:06I wrote down Gerard Mayo this morning said
00:49:09they might be getting close to Christian Barmore,
00:49:12maybe returning.
00:49:13He was talking to the practice field
00:49:15in terms of the practice field, getting back in practice.
00:49:17So maybe we're getting close to Barmore,
00:49:20which make sure he's like 150% healthy.
00:49:24We don't need to rush him back here,
00:49:26but he would obviously, obviously be a big boost
00:49:29to the defense and the defensive line
00:49:31and helping some of these issues in the run game
00:49:34and rushing the passer.
00:49:35But that was your Christian Barmore update.
00:49:38I don't know.
00:49:38Do you have any thoughts on his potential?
00:49:40I wouldn't rush him back.
00:49:41Like if he can play great, they could obviously use him,
00:49:43but you're two and seven, that's a very important player.
00:49:46I wouldn't push it with him.
00:49:48Maybe like, it might be one thing for like his mental health
00:49:51just to let him get back on the field and get involved.
00:49:52I could see that being great for him.
00:49:54And even maybe, you know, playing a game or two
00:49:56at the end of the season,
00:49:57just so he's not going into next year totally cold.
00:49:59I get that.
00:49:59But I wouldn't, no need to rush, no need to push it.
00:50:03If he can't get back on the field,
00:50:05then he can't get back on the field.
00:50:06I wonder if they do something like,
00:50:09remember Cameron McGrone,
00:50:11they drafted him off a torn ACL
00:50:13and he wasn't gonna play that year,
00:50:16but they did designate him or designated him
00:50:18to return late in the year
00:50:19so he could take part in three weeks of practice.
00:50:21Like knowing full well that he wasn't gonna play,
00:50:23it was just to get him out there.
00:50:24I wonder if maybe they do something similar
00:50:26for Christian Barmore where, you know,
00:50:28he goes back out there, so he's on the field,
00:50:30but like, he's just not gonna play.
00:50:32Yeah.
00:50:33And I'll throw this into,
00:50:34Zemin is towards ACL, I don't think he's come back.
00:50:35He's done.
00:50:36Yep.
00:50:37Yeah, definitely no reason to rush him back,
00:50:39especially on a two and seven football team here,
00:50:42but Cameron McGrone is a good callback.
00:50:46I thought he was gonna be awesome.
00:50:46I love Cameron McGrone in the draft, but.
00:50:49I like the philosophy,
00:50:50but I understood it was a risk with the pick.
00:50:52Yeah, definitely, definitely.
00:50:54Worth the risk.
00:50:55What was that, a fifth, sixth round pick?
00:50:57It was worth the risk for a player
00:50:58with that type of athleticism,
00:51:00even though there was some injury risk, as you saw, but.
00:51:03Yeah.
00:51:04That is the defense.
00:51:05Very quickly, special teams.
00:51:09It was inevitable that Marcus Jones would pop a big return.
00:51:11He did two, a 40 plus one earlier
00:51:15and then a 20 plus yard punt return
00:51:17to help set up that game tying drive to end regulation.
00:51:20So he's been awesome.
00:51:21He was, he's just an elite punt returner.
00:51:24There's not much more to say about that.
00:51:26Although I was surprised Tennessee kicked to him
00:51:28at the end there.
00:51:29Yeah, that was as bad a coaching decision
00:51:32as there was in that game.
00:51:33You can see why they're a historically bad
00:51:35special teams unit there.
00:51:37So Marcus Jones is a game changer in that area.
00:51:41Bryce Berenger, not his best performance
00:51:44that 15 yard punt, a shank right off the foot.
00:51:48You could see he knew it immediately.
00:51:50He had another one later.
00:51:51It wasn't a shank, but he didn't hit it great,
00:51:54but he ended up getting a nice roll.
00:51:55So it was still a 45 yarder,
00:51:57but not Bryce's best performance.
00:51:59And then Joey Sly, you don't want to get on him too much.
00:52:02It was a 56 yarder that he missed,
00:52:04but you missed a field goal in a game.
00:52:07You lost by three points and he's got three misses now.
00:52:11One was blocked, but they all came in one score losses.
00:52:15So those have all proved costly.
00:52:16Again, it was a long kick, but he's got a big leg.
00:52:19That's why he's in here.
00:52:21I mean, the training camp competition,
00:52:22like he was way more consistent from 50 plus yards.
00:52:25So you'd like to see him make that again,
00:52:28especially in a game that went to overtime
00:52:30that you lost by three points.
00:52:32I mean, he's here, he's here because of the big leg.
00:52:33Like that's why he's here.
00:52:34And that costs me.
00:52:35I think there's something like
00:52:36he's only missed three kicks this year,
00:52:37but they've all come in one score games.
00:52:40Yeah.
00:52:41Another one where the,
00:52:42I talked earlier about the turnover advantage.
00:52:44I didn't talk as much about it as I wanted to,
00:52:46but basically you can read about it on 985sports.com.
00:52:49Titans came in most giveaways,
00:52:51fewest takeaways, worst turnover margin.
00:52:53Like the Patriots had a chance
00:52:54to definitively win the turnover battle.
00:52:56That would have helped them out.
00:52:57They didn't.
00:52:58The one other spot,
00:52:58they should have had a definitive advantages
00:53:00on special teams.
00:53:01Titans had, we talked about this on Thursday, Brian,
00:53:03historically bad special teams unit.
00:53:05You know, with Marcus Jones returns,
00:53:07maybe they had a advantage.
00:53:09It was hardly definitive.
00:53:11They didn't win the battle on special teams
00:53:12by nearly enough.
00:53:13That's on Joey Sly.
00:53:14That's on Bryce Beringer primarily.
00:53:16Whereas in past weeks,
00:53:17we've talked more about the coverage players.
00:53:18Sly misses a kick and almost missed that extra point
00:53:21at the end of the game.
00:53:22Beringer shanks one,
00:53:23Ponti had another one that was like a half shank.
00:53:27They both left opportunities on the table.
00:53:30Yep.
00:53:32All right.
00:53:32So any last thoughts on that game?
00:53:35Just anything in general that we missed or didn't get to?
00:53:40No, I think that's it.
00:53:41All right.
00:53:42I do want to do-
00:53:43I sort of talked about it earlier.
00:53:44Jeffrey Simmons, criminally underrated player.
00:53:47Yeah, he's awesome.
00:53:48Criminally underrated player.
00:53:49Give that, I know he's been on bad Titan teams
00:53:51for a long time,
00:53:52and the position he plays isn't sexy.
00:53:55Give that man his flowers.
00:53:56He can freaking play.
00:53:58Yep.
00:53:59Let me ask you,
00:54:00would Jeffrey Simmons be the best player
00:54:01on the Patriots right now?
00:54:03Ooh, probably.
00:54:06Yeah.
00:54:07Right?
00:54:08I mean, it's just,
00:54:09is he better than Christian Gonzalez or Drake May?
00:54:12Well, Drake May is kind of his own thing,
00:54:13because it's been four games.
00:54:14But yeah, he'd be the most impactful player
00:54:17on their defense.
00:54:18And look, they have a guy like that in Barmore,
00:54:20so that's not,
00:54:23but you get like,
00:54:24I never hear,
00:54:25when we talk about the great defense players in this league,
00:54:27nobody ever talks about Jeffrey Simmons.
00:54:28I've been a fan of his for years.
00:54:30Mention him next time.
00:54:31Good player.
00:54:32Yep.
00:54:32That's the downside of being stuck in Tennessee.
00:54:36Did you get a little upset watching his co-partner there,
00:54:41Tavondre Sweat,
00:54:41just dominate the run game?
00:54:43That was a guy we talked a lot about.
00:54:45Yeah.
00:54:46I mean, look,
00:54:47I said it in the spring,
00:54:48like he never made sense for the Patriots.
00:54:50That was a luxury pick
00:54:52that they didn't have the luxury to make.
00:54:54But another,
00:54:55I mean, those two together,
00:54:56Simmons is 28,
00:54:57so they still have like three years together.
00:55:01That's gonna be,
00:55:02good luck,
00:55:03anything up the middle against the Titans.
00:55:04That's a hell of a pairing.
00:55:06And I liked that Tennessee.
00:55:09I,
00:55:09it's funny that the Titans are as bad as they are.
00:55:11I actually think they did a good job
00:55:12of building that roster.
00:55:13Injuries haven't helped,
00:55:14but Tony Pollard,
00:55:15good addition.
00:55:16Calvin Ridley,
00:55:17good addition.
00:55:18Oh, you can't pivot now.
00:55:20You were calling them old all,
00:55:22all off season.
00:55:22Legerius Sneed.
00:55:24You know what I,
00:55:25fair.
00:55:25Okay, fair.
00:55:26But, well,
00:55:27these aren't old players that I'm naming.
00:55:28Like how many of the old guys worked out?
00:55:30DeAndre Hopkins traded.
00:55:33Jamal Adams.
00:55:33Jamal Adams asked for his release
00:55:35so he could go to a contender
00:55:36and now nobody will sign him,
00:55:38which way to go.
00:55:39No, all right.
00:55:40So I didn't like all their moves.
00:55:41That's fair.
00:55:42Good job calling me out.
00:55:43But I think they built like a decent core.
00:55:46They got good players.
00:55:48Yeah.
00:55:48The quarterback just blows.
00:55:50And they've got to hope that they can,
00:55:51you know,
00:55:52keep this thing together,
00:55:53mostly this off season.
00:55:55And then they are a team that should be aggressive
00:55:57in moving up in the draft
00:55:58and trying to get,
00:56:00you know,
00:56:00one of those top quarterbacks.
00:56:01If they can drop Cam Ward into that thing,
00:56:04you probably have a playoff team.
00:56:06Assuming again,
00:56:07they're like,
00:56:08the injuries are,
00:56:09forget the guys that are in the injury report.
00:56:11They have a number of guys on IR too.
00:56:12Like they're banged up to all hell,
00:56:14but they,
00:56:16they have some pieces.
00:56:17They,
00:56:17they have some pieces.
00:56:18They're,
00:56:19I don't know that they're a quarterback away,
00:56:20but they're close.
00:56:23Yep.
00:56:24Even their offensive line,
00:56:25like JC Latham,
00:56:26Peter Skowronski,
00:56:27they signed Lloyd Cushenberry
00:56:29who got hurt,
00:56:29of course,
00:56:30yesterday.
00:56:32And then the interesting guy,
00:56:33Dylan Radunes,
00:56:34who's been starting for them and playing well.
00:56:35That,
00:56:36we're going to be talking about JC Latham,
00:56:38probably this off season.
00:56:39Cause he's a guy who flipped from the right side
00:56:41to the left side
00:56:42and has done it fairly successful.
00:56:44I know it's,
00:56:44it's tough,
00:56:45but yeah,
00:56:47they,
00:56:48they have some good players down there in Tennessee,
00:56:49but they need the quarterback.
00:56:51So I do want to wrap up just with some quick
00:56:54trade deadline updates,
00:56:55because that is tomorrow at 4 PM.
00:56:58We are less than 24 hours away from the trade deadline.
00:57:02So very quickly before we get into that,
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00:58:32So apparently that's too hot.
00:58:36It's too dark outside right now.
00:58:38And 80 November is too dark,
00:58:41but Twilight, you got to get out after lunch.
00:58:44Exactly.
00:58:45Yeah. You got to get out early.
00:58:46So just wrap up very quickly.
00:58:49A couple of trade deadline notes.
00:58:52Kyle Duggar's name was floated out there over the weekend.
00:58:55We heard teams.
00:58:57This is a funny one.
00:58:58Teams calling about Christian Gonzalez.
00:59:00They quickly got told to go away.
00:59:02And I think the word was amusing on those calls.
00:59:06And then we saw Taekwondo and KJ Osborne,
00:59:09the two names that have been out there the most,
00:59:12they were inactive yesterday.
00:59:16Mike Reese had in his column that they might just outright
00:59:18release KJ Osborne if they can't find a trade partner.
00:59:21So are you expecting anything tomorrow?
00:59:23What'd you think on the Kyle Duggar,
00:59:25his name getting added into those talks?
00:59:27I would be stunned if that happens,
00:59:29but just any thoughts here under 24 hours
00:59:33from the trade deadline.
00:59:35I'm not expecting much.
00:59:36One, if not both those receivers to either move
00:59:38or be released shortly after.
00:59:39If they make a move,
00:59:40it's going to be bottom of the roster depth,
00:59:42defensive line, maybe an offensive lineman,
00:59:45maybe, I don't know, maybe a cornerback.
00:59:49I'm not expecting a big splash.
00:59:50We're not expecting to do much.
00:59:51I think Gerard Mayo said on the radio today
00:59:53that like the trade deadlines are always overblown.
00:59:55It's not baseball.
00:59:56Right, I'd love for them to make the Montez Sweat trade.
00:59:59I don't think it's there.
01:00:01I kind of said it before,
01:00:01like Baron Browning was a guy that made sense to me.
01:00:03He just got traded.
01:00:05Chase Young, I'd still make a call on.
01:00:07That's about as far as I'd go off on them at this point.
01:00:10I think they move one or two smaller pieces,
01:00:12maybe add one, but I think it's going to be
01:00:16relatively quiet, quiet day tomorrow for the trade deadline.
01:00:20So I don't know,
01:00:21maybe there's something else people can focus on
01:00:22that's going on tomorrow.
01:00:24No, I don't think there's much trade deadline.
01:00:26Oh, Mactions tomorrow, right?
01:00:28Maction, there's Maction tomorrow.
01:00:30We got the Gold Glove winners yesterday.
01:00:32Maybe that has a couple of days hold, that story.
01:00:35Of course they dropped that on a rant.
01:00:37Of course they dropped Gold Glove winners.
01:00:38Sunday night at eight o'clock,
01:00:40Major League Baseball, finger on the pulse, as always.
01:00:43As always, but yeah, I would expect one of those receivers,
01:00:48either trade, release, and pretty quiet beyond that.
01:00:51I would love if that Montez Sweat deal was out there,
01:00:54but it just doesn't look like it's going to be.
01:00:57You mentioned Chase Young.
01:00:58I don't know if New Orleans is going to blow it up
01:01:00completely, like Carl Granderson on the other edge
01:01:03is the guy I would love if they could pry him away.
01:01:05He's under contract too, but I just don't know, again,
01:01:09if that move is going to be out there.
01:01:10So probably a relatively quiet deadline,
01:01:14but if something does happen,
01:01:15we will be back to break it down.
01:01:17I believe crossover episode with Taylor and Mike
01:01:20on Wednesday, probably later in the day on Wednesday.
01:01:23So maybe if there is a trade, we'll talk about that.
01:01:27Surely we'll get into Drake May,
01:01:29everything that's going on.
01:01:30I believe maybe even some mid-season awards
01:01:32now that we're past the mid-season point.
01:01:34So make sure you tune into that.
01:01:36We'll come back and give you an exact time on Twitter,
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