DERRUMBE EN CABALLITO: "ESTO NO FUE UN ACCIDENTE, SE PUDO HABER EVITADO"
El papá de un alumno habló respecto al incidente: "Esto es culpa del natatorio tanto como de la obra".
El derrumbe, que dejó un enorme hueco y daños significativos en la estructura circundante, es objeto de intensa discusión. Los testimonios apuntan a que las señales de peligro eran evidentes antes del desastre.
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El papá de un alumno habló respecto al incidente: "Esto es culpa del natatorio tanto como de la obra".
El derrumbe, que dejó un enorme hueco y daños significativos en la estructura circundante, es objeto de intensa discusión. Los testimonios apuntan a que las señales de peligro eran evidentes antes del desastre.
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00:00Martín, I'm very sorry for Professor Tati, because it's a love, it's a love, but here it wasn't an accident, this doesn't seem like an accident, this wasn't an accident.
00:09Of course, you can say that this could have been avoided.
00:13But calmly, sincerely, I didn't say anything before because I'm not an architect, I'm a professor of physical education and I'm not an architect.
00:22But I noticed it, I passed by my vehicle and I saw how that work grew, how it grew.
00:28And the pool that was next to it, he was going to eat it, it was obvious that he was going to eat it.
00:33He wouldn't do that, he wouldn't have to go to college for six years to be an engineer, an architect, and realize that.
00:40Anyone who passes by there realizes it.
00:42I uploaded it to my Facebook and everyone tells me, I also read it.
00:45A mother just told me, Martín, tomorrow my son had to go to the swimming pool, he could have died.
00:52Of course, we are all with that, that we could have lost our children.
00:56But why?
00:58How are you, Javier Díaz? I always pass by there.
01:00How are you, Javi?
01:01And it always catches my attention because the parents are out on the sidewalk looking at the boys and so on.
01:06You didn't notice any of this on the walls of the pool, of the swimming pool?
01:12Yes, yes, my wife saw the crack the week before and on Monday it was painted, it was fixed.
01:19But, let's say, there were no comments with the people of the place, or with the guard or the coach, the teacher?
01:27Honestly, no. In fact, my wife tells me, I really don't remember you telling me that.
01:34I tell her, as I told you three times, it is impressive the work they are doing here.
01:38Yes, that's true.
01:39A very large work that draws attention, with a very small and old place, because it is well painted,
01:46but it is old, it is noticeable that it is old, that it was going to give way, that it was going to give way.
01:51I dedicate myself to gyms. There was a gym that had collapsed once due to a similar situation here in the capital.
01:58Yes, I remember.
01:59I am aware of everything that happens in my place, because we work with life.
02:04We live on a quota, but if I have to close the gym for something, for a bump, for something broken, I close it, I don't doubt it.
02:12Here they saw it, they saw the crack, and they didn't close it, they kept working.
02:17Now, more than the crack, what martyrdom is it that you have a work under construction next to your house?
02:26I mean, not because of the controls, but first of all, because of the noise, obviously,
02:32but I say, you live with your heart in your mouth, because as soon as you see a crack, you say goodbye so that it doesn't fall into the house.
02:39Those of us who live in the capital are used to these noises.
02:42Of course, but in neighborhoods like Caballito, like Colegiales, like Belgrano.
02:45Villacrespo.
02:46Villacrespo. I would tell you that there is the great electoral defeat of La Reta, it also had to do with that.
02:55There was a lot of discomfort, a lot of angry people, a lot of neighbors who deployed flags to stop this type of construction.
03:04Yes, the issue is that it is done in a careful way, where there are not enough care, obviously, there you have a problem.
03:10To provide a little information about this situation, the work in question is in charge of the Ascui studio,
03:18which has a home precisely in the neighborhood of Caballito, in BHF Alnovecientos,
03:23that is, they know the area, it is a client builder of the neighborhood.
03:28We are asking to see if they can give some kind of explanation.
03:32And the work was controlled, I reiterate, adding to what Pablo says,
03:36by the Governmental Control Agency of the City of Buenos Aires, in May, in no type of complaint.
03:42What they say is that the work inspection is done in stages, because one says,
03:47in May it may seem a lot, the inspection is done in the first stage, when the issue of the well begins, and it evolves.
03:55The last work is when they started to make the second floor.
03:58Exactly.
03:59Yes, as Pablo says, by stage, as the Governmental Control Agency advances.
04:03Now I ask you, Analia, if it is easy for a neighbor to present a cautionary tale.
04:08Martin, thank you for these minutes.
04:10No, you're welcome.
04:11A big hug.
04:13I hope it doesn't stay that way, because I'm honestly trembling, thinking that today you are there, crying for my son.
04:19And yes.
04:20Give me the image of the drone to see from the air.
04:24Look at this. Here you will understand well.
04:27There is the median, I know, Javi, look.
04:30Evidently, as you had the information, they were loading it.
04:34Yes, without any kind of repair, nothing, no masonry, no brick, no thing that could cause a minor issue.
04:41They were lifting the median, 10 meters inwards.
04:46Look, what you see there, of wood, which are like stagnant places.
04:51That's where they load the masonry, all the material, cement and so on.
04:55That gave way and fell, what was already up.
04:59It fell to the left side, which is the roof.
05:02I understand that it has to have a support to avoid precisely this type of thing.
05:08At that time the support was the wall.
05:12But the other portion of the wall, or the one that was naked, because the median had already passed to the height of what is the masonry.
05:20It was uncovered while they were loading it and fell to the other side.
05:23Look how he bent the sheet.
05:25You see that it has the coating, right?
05:27As if it were paper.
05:29So imagine the weight, plus the height and the fall.
05:33I think it was Paula or the neighbor who spoke of 10 meters, that is the depth of the terrain, for almost 1.20, 1.30, of load.
05:42Which is a lot.
05:44Well, that's why it happened, logically.
05:46Analia, what were you telling me?
05:48No, what Martin said is key here.
05:50The neighbor who spoke about the testimony he gave about the crack.
05:54This was not an accident, something that one could not predict.
05:56It could be predicted, it could be avoided.
05:58That's the serious thing, right?
05:59Because there were cracks.
06:01They were doing just this, so risky, on a roof, a crack, that it was obvious that they could not overcome this situation.
06:11Neither lighter nor heavier.
06:13I mean, it's crazy.
06:14It could have been a fatal tragedy.
06:16It was not an accident.
06:18So here there is responsibility.
06:20I understand if, unless some kind of precautionary measure appears, which you just asked me about,
06:25which can be initiated with any lawyer, any neighbor.
06:28What I was asking is, what tool does the neighbor have that they start building next to him and that he suspects?
06:34Of course.
06:35Like Winokuro or Javi said, if things are well done, well, it's well done.
06:41And one does not know everything.
06:42That is why it is also important to ask for an opinion from a specialist, an architect,
06:46who can come and say, hey, what do you think?
06:48Can you give in? Is there any risk? Yes, no.
06:50And right away, if there are risks, as in the case we are seeing,
06:54that there was a risk that something like this would happen, a tragedy,
06:57it can be foreseen, let's say.
07:00Look at this image, Javi.
07:02Of course.
07:03Justice can intervene to prevent this from happening, right?
07:07Which is what did not happen.
07:08It's tremendous.
07:09What do you say?
07:11In the hole that was left, it seems that a meteorite had fallen from the sky.
07:16What happens is that this erases the hypothesis,
07:21this image erases the hypothesis of a problem in the middle school, or not?
07:25Yes, but the hypothesis of the middle school already gives you a guideline
07:28that things are not happening quite well.
07:30There you have a guideline.
07:32It would be necessary to see how this occurs.
07:36I want to read a part of the regulation so that it is clear.
07:39For this reason I said, the inspection is done in stages.
07:41There is a stage that is to inspect the excavation.
07:44But within what is the regulation, what they propose is,
07:48during the inspection, the compliance of the regulations is verified
07:51in the article such excavations.
07:53That it is consistent with the building code.
07:56That's what the city government has to verify.
07:58Now, what about security?
08:00The regulation says,
08:02the director of the work has the responsibility to supervise and control the works,
08:07take the necessary measures to avoid collapses, landslides,
08:12damage to the landfills and any other damage that can produce the excavation works
08:16and take all the inherent security measures in the work towards third parties
08:21and the staff of the work.
08:23That is, the state can control the compliance of the guidelines
08:30and the building code,
08:32but the security and all the work is in the hands of the private sector.
08:37Of those who do the work, in this case we had said,
08:40public and private studies.
08:42Of the studies there is always one, two or three.
08:45Of course.
08:46Now, on the other hand,
08:49what we have to see is to evaluate what happened with that measure
08:52and if there is no responsibility of the institute
08:55in terms of security, doors inward.
08:58That is an unknown.
09:00From the images it does not seem.
09:02Let's go live with Paula Wilberg to the place.
09:07This is what I described to you before,
09:09this crane, the workers,
09:11the fire truck has just left,
09:13but there is police personnel, of course,
09:16and emergency personnel in the place.
09:19Now the work of the expertise.
09:21This is going to take, I would tell you all day,
09:24because it is arriving and they are exchanging the staff that is working here.
09:29And so it is now,
09:31Pedro Goyena Avenue,
09:33closed to traffic,
09:35at its intersection with La Plata Avenue,
09:38and everyone working in the place.
09:40You can neither circulate by car,
09:42nor can pedestrians have free access.
09:45Well, what we see now is a bit of greater tranquility,
09:48but I tell you, Pau,
09:50that the images of the drone
09:52show that it seems that a ship has fallen there,
09:56because all the tingling was given.
09:58A meteorite.
09:59Yes, it is impressive, the gap that left.
10:02Do you see that there is the first and second floor?
10:05They were placing the slab on the right.
10:09Paula, I do not know the possibilities of the mobile phone with which you are today.
10:13Excuse me, let's see if it is possible.
10:15This is the work.
10:17Do you have the possibility of walking 50 meters
10:19to La Plata Avenue in the direction of Bonifacio?
10:25Do you have a way?
10:27Excuse me, I'm up here.
10:30Let's do it.
10:32Can you disassemble the camera a little bit?
10:34We are going to walk, we move.
10:36Do you know why I tell you?
10:37Because they are telling me
10:39that there is a fruit shop there,
10:41half a block away.
10:43Half a block away, on the same sidewalk.
10:45A what, sorry?
10:46A fruit shop, on the same sidewalk of the building.
10:50Yes, let's see.
10:51On La Plata Avenue.
10:53Excuse me, Bonifacio, is it that way?
10:55Yes.
10:56Let's see if we can, if we have the cable.
10:58Yes, of course.
10:59I tell you, if you walk a few more meters,
11:02on La Plata Avenue,
11:04the work continues, of course,
11:06because it occupies more space
11:11but it also extends a few meters on La Plata.
11:15This is as far as the cable takes us.
11:17I'm going to see what you told me.
11:19Yes, here it is, there I see it,
11:21I see the fruit shop sign.
11:22There is a, the work is finished.
11:24There is a store and then
11:26in the other building is the fruit shop.
11:28When you can come with the camera to show,
11:30at some point.
11:32Look, because they tell me
11:34that the fruit shop is cracked, the wall.
11:37Also.
11:38Yes.
11:40When you can.
11:41Of course, because the work, now we understand,
11:43it goes around, it goes around.
11:45It is on Pedro Goyena and on Via de la Plata.
11:47All the corner over here, all that corner.
11:49It is very big, there where Paula is.
11:51And there is the sign, Paulita, that you have there,
11:53where the cable takes us,
11:55of Ascui, Ascui, there it is.
11:59What Pablo was telling.
12:01There is the entrepreneur.
12:03That for now he did not speak, Pablo.
12:04Able to whiten.
12:05Not now.
12:06We are trying to contact.
12:07Because now the work will be delayed
12:09and you will know when it will be renewed.
12:10Now we insist.
12:12It could have been a real tragedy.
12:14It was a work that was just beginning.
12:16There are some images that reach the corner.
12:20Look.
12:21That goes around the corner.
12:22That image is perfect.
12:24With which you have to see if there are no other
12:26affected properties too.
12:31Did you, Javi, suggest that the swimming pool
12:33has another entrance?
12:34The swimming pool also has an entrance
12:36over José Bonifacio.
12:38Over Bonifacio.
12:39That is.
12:40Is it the same pool?
12:41It is the same.
12:42No, there are two pools that have.
12:44Two sectors.
12:46But it is the same institute.
12:48It is the same institute.
12:49The changing rooms are on the first floor.
12:53And on the other side there is a swimming pool too.
12:56That there is not affected.
12:58They told me about Bonifacio, no.
13:00But yes, obviously where Paula is there,
13:02in Pedro Goyena.
13:03It is a great work.
13:04The thing is that, let's see, they occupy
13:0620, 30 meters of street.
13:09Because the other day they were with the irons,
13:12you see, to put, to make the slab.
13:15And they had several weeks loading them.
13:18And every time they load, they occupy all that street,
13:21which is logical because it is a great work.
13:23And it also has the municipal permission
13:25to be able to occupy the street.
13:27In addition, the five-environment department
13:29is not the usual thing.
13:31What does the neighborhood say?
13:32What reaction was there?
13:36They are all, the truth, very concerned
13:38with what has happened.
13:39They can't believe it because, I tell you,
13:41it is a very, very well-known swimming pool.
13:43In other words, the children of the whole neighborhood
13:45have come here.
13:47It is like that.
13:48I even have colleagues from work,
13:50from other channels,
13:51that when we were going,
13:53we were finding out about the news,
13:55everyone said the same thing.
13:56I can't believe my children were there.
13:57Or the boys from my children's school go there.
14:00In other words, it is a very well-known place
14:02here in Caballito.
14:05Well, the operation continues, Mr. Pedro Goyena, right?
14:10Yes, the operation continues.
14:12There are prevention personnel,
14:13transit personnel.
14:15Obviously, the defense of the town is working,
14:18civil defense, firefighters, rescue teams.
14:22And the whole block, as you can see,
14:24is cut off now,
14:25waiting for the moment of the expertise, too.
14:28Good.
14:29And also the renewal of the entire Manzana.
14:32You referred to the fruit shop,
14:34you referred to the other entrance
14:36that the swimming pool has.
14:38Well, what is going to be evaluated now,
14:40simultaneously,
14:41while staff conducts examinations,
14:44it is also going to be a tour
14:46of the buildings of the rest of the Manzana
14:48to see if there are also some injuries
14:51in the median areas,
14:52or if they present cracks,
14:54or if at some point they had problems
14:56when the well was being built, for example,
14:58or when the property collapsed
15:01that was here.
15:02Good.