👉 Gustavo Giménez, experto en aviación, destaca la importancia de la prevención y la recolección de datos en las primeras horas tras el accidente aéreo. Se discuten también las condiciones de seguridad y el impacto en los residentes locales. El dolor y el luto por los pilotos fallecidos son una constante recordatoria del alto costo humano que estos incidentes pueden tener.
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00:00Gustavo Facundo Pastor greets you. How are you?
00:03How are you, Facundo?
00:04Good, thank you for attending us.
00:06What is the most important thing in these first hours of investigation?
00:10Well, the most important thing in these hours of investigation is not...
00:17to let the people who are collecting all the data work.
00:20Unfortunately, these things are all a reconstruction that is done
00:25to see what the causes are and try to avoid them for the future.
00:29The best thing that works in aviation is always prevention.
00:32We never get to this point.
00:34Of course, of course.
00:35When they tell you, well, you don't have to do this, you don't have to do that,
00:39it's so that you don't end up with these consequences.
00:42Gustavo, tell me something.
00:44There is a version, of course we are very prudent,
00:47because here, first we have to think that there is the pain of the whole environment
00:50and the family of the pilot and the co-pilot, right?
00:53That is, we must never lose sight of this.
00:57And there is a lot of pain even in the environment of the owners of the plane,
01:02of the Abrito family, because they were very dear people,
01:05with whom they had a close relationship, there was a lot of trust in them.
01:10Of course, they made family transfers all the time.
01:13So, I say, we must not lose sight of this.
01:16Now, is there any version that indicates that they could have inhaled carbon monoxide
01:24inside the plane?
01:26Is there carbon monoxide inside the plane?
01:29No, what happens is that when they, when the fire is lit,
01:32obviously there was like a kind of fire bay behind them.
01:37Of course.
01:38And if, at least from what I saw in the photos, the door was like on the ceiling,
01:42that is, the plane was turned about 90 degrees,
01:45and the door was above them to be able to open it.
01:48I imagine that in these circumstances, after such a big impact,
01:52it is difficult to get out of the cabin for having stayed up.
01:55Okay, but then, if the version of carbon monoxide was confirmed,
01:59we are talking about something that already causes the sinister,
02:03not something previous that makes them arrive at the landing maneuver
02:08with some kind of weakness or vulnerability.
02:10Do you understand the question?
02:11No, I understand, I understand what you mean,
02:13like a kind of previous poisoning.
02:15Exactly, that's what I mean.
02:16Evidently, that will be a reason for investigation, we cannot know.
02:21The parameters of the plane prior to landing were very bad,
02:26that is, it was a destabilized flight at the moment of the touch,
02:30we know that it touched the runway,
02:32and with 180 kilometers more than it normally lands,
02:39and that is the reason why it gets off the runway.
02:41Of course.
02:42Why do they get to that situation?
02:45It is not clear.
02:46We can talk about poisoning, we can talk about, I don't know,
02:50we have to take a long time to go back to the beginning,
02:55let's say, of the approach.
02:56It is always a question, Jiménez, it is always a question of a human flaw,
03:00whatever it is, it is a human flaw,
03:03whether it is the pilot, whether it is the mechanic,
03:06whether it is the one who built the plane, it is always a human flaw.
03:10And you have to go looking for it, yes, surely,
03:13all the preventive parts of this business is what we have to work on,
03:18we have to work on the people, right?
03:21Exactly.
03:22It is where you work the most.
03:23Can you wait for me, Gustavo, just a minute,
03:24because Flor is on the phone with a witness,
03:26just a minute, stay there, please, Flor.
03:28Go ahead, go ahead.
03:30Yes, Facundo, we are with David,
03:32who is a neighbor who lives half a block from where the plane collided,
03:35and you were telling me that you saw the moment when everything happened, right?
03:38I left, yes, yes, I left as soon as we heard the sounds,
03:42I left and nothing, to see what had happened,
03:46and well, as soon as I left, I saw all the fire,
03:49and the people who began to accumulate,
03:52and nothing, there was like a kind of panic in the environment, right?
03:58Now, at the moment of hearing,
04:00it must have sounded like a bang, how did you experience it?
04:03What did you manage to hear in the face of such a collision, let's say, right?
04:09Nothing, the explosion was heard, I think it was not so strong,
04:13but yes, we all had a feeling of fear, panic,
04:20of not knowing if it was going to explode or what was going to happen,
04:25because the firemen came and told us that the fuel was entering
04:29through the water channels,
04:35and that nothing, that we should be very careful,
04:39because if they were going to start, there could be an explosion.
04:43Did you hear anything inside the plane, let's say,
04:46some scream from the pilot, the co-pilot?
04:49No, no, the truth is that I did not hear anything,
04:52because, well, imagine that there were many people,
04:55there were the sirens of the firemen, there was the ambulance,
04:59yes, I heard testimonies from neighbors,
05:03that the pilot said to help him, to help him get him out of there.
05:09As for the security of the proximity of the houses to the runway,
05:13did you ever notice that, did you complain about insecurity issues,
05:18did something like that happen before?
05:21And I have my mother-in-law who got tired of making complaints,
05:24because the truth is that you cannot live like this,
05:29with the issue of sound,
05:33you can't be watching a movie or whatever,
05:37sometimes you have to cover your ears.
05:40Because it is very strong, yes, in fact, planes still fly by.
05:43How long have you been living there, Florencia?
05:46Here in the house where I am, you know that there are vibrations,
05:50in certain parts, because of what is vibration.
05:53Ah, just because of vibration. They ask me on the floor,
05:55how long have you been living here?
05:57I'm going to put the feedback, guys, so they can ask you questions if they want.
06:00Good. Let's see, David, how long have you been living there?
06:04Let's see, how long have you been living here?
06:07I've been here for two years, but my partner has been living here for 10 years,
06:12and nothing, this is always.
06:15Now, David, you know that the first thing that was built there was the airport, right?
06:22I mean, I don't know what it is, I do know, well, one imagines what is wrong there.
06:26But they are already installed, obviously.
06:28Of course, well, the houses were put up for sale in the place, and well.
06:35No, of course.
06:37I think they should also think a little about the people who live here, right?
06:41The one who buys and lives there knows that, let's say,
06:45that house was built at some point,
06:48and someone made the blind eye, and nobody cared about people's safety,
06:53and well, they were installed, but let's say, it's easier than...
06:57Of course, because someone made the blind eye, we have to pay for that now, right?
07:02I think they should find a way to...
07:04No, not paying, what I mean is that they are living in a place
07:07that they did not repair at the time, nor those who buy, those who sell, those who live,
07:12which is a place that is in danger, that the houses should not be there.
07:17No, no, no, because they pass very close.
07:20It is seen that they pass closer and closer, there are many planes all the time,
07:24at night, at dawn, in the morning, they don't have a schedule.
07:28But it's okay, it's an airport.
07:30One wonders what a plane does at 2 or 3 in the morning.
07:33It's like moving to the side of a train station, and a train passes every day.
07:36No, no, yes.
07:39Of course, well, I tell you what we go through daily, right?
07:43Ah, of course, of course.
07:45And what is the issue of the construction, of the crack, which is a danger for us.
07:49And I understand that the airport was put first,
07:52but I think they should also think about the people who live here, right?
07:56Yes.
07:57Did you know the owners of the property?
08:00No, I know they are neighbors, to cross them, but not much, more than one.
08:07So, but no, let's hope this works for something,
08:12because there are antecedents that there was an incident a couple of years ago,
08:17and now it happened again, and unfortunately it will happen again.
08:22Of course.
08:23It will happen again because they pass so close that a small mistake,
08:27and what happened here, what happened in the past,
08:31and what I hope will not happen again, but the possibilities are.
08:35They are.
08:37David, thank you.
08:38Flor, stay there a minute, I'll be back and you tell me what the experts are doing.
08:42I come back with Gustavo Jiménez, who is online, who is a pilot, who is an instructor.
08:46Gustavo, from what you can see, they are pulling the tail of the plane.
08:50Yes, is it well said that way?
08:52The box, you told me ...
08:54No, no, no, the tail of the plane.
08:56Ah, yes, yes.
08:59I'm not seeing it.
09:00No, I wanted to tell you something about the testimony we just heard.
09:03Go ahead, go ahead.
09:04I have been flying in the area since I was 17 years old, in 1978,
09:10and I operated at San Fernando airport, and it was a field with a field around it.
09:15An airport is development for an area.
09:18Then, if people invade the surroundings of the airport,
09:22the airport was there, we are not going to end up taking out an airport
09:25where the whole society uses an airport.
09:28Sure.
09:30The state, in any case, would have to move the family,
09:33look for a place, or facilitate it so that ...
09:37Look, I'm going to put Gustavo a document that Winocur has.
09:41Let me know, Ariel, if you have it.
09:43Where it is clearly seen, it is very well graphed.
09:46What I want to know is if this is normal.
09:48Give it to me, I ask you to tell me if it can be full screen.
09:51No, no, no, not this, guys.
09:53The distance on the runway.
09:56The runway, the distance between the houses.
09:58No, this is the other one, but it doesn't matter.
10:00Look, this, you know what?
10:01Wait, leave it there, leave it there.
10:02I'll tell you.
10:03We take advantage of this image that I sent you.
10:05There is the end of the runway.
10:07With 200 meters.
10:08Do you see the footprint on the grass?
10:11It looks very clear, Javier.
10:12That is the footprint that the plane left,
10:15and where one assumes that the pilot, what he wanted was ...
10:19Get up.
10:20No, what he wanted was, irrevocably,
10:24as he was not going to be able to get up,
10:26and it was already late, and the speed, and all this,
10:29is to seek the least possible damage.
10:31So he tried to fit the plane in the street,
10:35in the street that comes out there parallel to what is the airport.
10:39Of course.
10:40Which is where it ends.
10:41May I say something?
10:42Yes, of course, obviously.
10:43Yes, yes, please.
10:44The plane, in the video, when you see it crash,
10:48comes with the two armed reversers,
10:50trying to stop the plane with the reverse power.
10:53Yes.
10:54What you see from above,
10:56the first thing the pilots dodge are the DLS antennas,
11:00which are an approach equipment for instruments,
11:03and it is the first thing they dodge.
11:05And then, obviously, what you say is also true.
11:07Surely he had the lucidity to put the plane in the middle of a street
11:11so as not to crash into a house, right?
11:15Of course.
11:16There, on Terry Street, is where he puts the trunk.
11:19He tried to put the plane there,
11:21and what happens is that, obviously, the wings were going to hit from the side.
11:25He managed to do it, Javier.
11:26And yes, yes, it was ...
11:27It was on Terry.
11:28The trunk, now later we will see an image from above of how the plane was.
11:31But it is very important, Gustavo, Javier, it is very important,
11:33what you are realizing,
11:35which can be seen with this image now,
11:37are 1,000 meters ...
11:39No, no, no, they are 200 meters.
11:41They are 200 meters.
11:42Look, put me ...
11:43Sorry, I want to ask Gustavo.
11:45There it is, look.
11:46There you can see.
11:47These are 200 meters, they are two blocks.
11:48There it is, look at the footprint.
11:49Do you see the footprint?
11:50From the end of the runway.
11:51There we are, of course, on the end of the runway.
11:52There is the footprint.
11:53It went through one and two wires.
11:56Very clear this image.
11:57And then it stayed there.
11:58There it is.
11:59Do you see what the pilot did?
12:00Let's see, he did the last one he had left.
12:03He had the possibility of,
12:04he would even have to direct it towards that place.
12:07He could have crashed into a house and it was ...
12:09This that Javier just marked is fundamental to understand what happened.
12:12That's why.
12:13Or at least to understand, Gustavo, the minutes, the final moments, right?
12:17Of course.
12:18Those were the final moments.
12:19The San Fernando runway,
12:20these planes use half of the runway to land.
12:23The problem here, if we go further back,
12:26is that it has come very fast,
12:28and it touched the floor,
12:30the landing,
12:32passing half of the runway.
12:33That's why he couldn't stop it.
12:35There is a ...
12:36For the causes that must be investigated,
12:39and why, that's what happened.
12:41The plane was about 200 knots
12:43and touched the floor in the middle of the runway.
12:46It is impossible to stop what is missing.
12:48Now, because in your case ...
12:50Sorry, Gustavo,
12:51what we see,
12:53works in your case with more expertise than ours,
12:56because of course you are a pilot and instructor,
12:58to determine this that Javier marked in the final moments.
13:02What we are not clear about is what leads the pilots to this.
13:06If there was a mechanical malfunction,
13:08if there was a problem in the ...
13:10I don't know, no, no ...
13:12What happened?
13:14Because, let's suppose there was some kind of
13:17health problem with the pilot.
13:19The co-pilot can take control of the flight, right?
13:23Yes, of course, of course.
13:26No, no, there they were both in the same operation.
13:29And even ...
13:30You know that this plane has a data registration box.
13:34Yes.
13:35So the ...
13:36I want to clarify that the accident board here,
13:40for transport safety,
13:42are very professional people.
13:44Of course.
13:45Of the best there is in the world.
13:47And it is very certain that we are going to draw all the conclusions
13:51and all the reasons why they ended up like this.
13:54Because there will be recording of the voices between them,
13:58there will be parameters of the plane that will be perfectly
14:02collected, so we are going to get the reasons why they touched
14:07in the middle of the runway and at the speed they touched.
14:09Now, there is a piece of information,
14:11let's see if we can also repair with Gustavo.
14:15Let's see when ...
14:16Can we look for the image above that shows the cabin?
14:19Because the cabin was intact.
14:21But there is an important piece of information,
14:23they were repairing me on that.
14:25Now we are going to look for it in the images.
14:28The cabin, let's say, is left ...
14:30There we are seeing it, there we are seeing it.
14:32Yes.
14:33Can we get a little closer?
14:34Do you have a video of this?
14:36Tell me.
14:37Let's see if we advance a little bit,
14:38you will see a little more at the end of the recording.
14:41Now we are going to see it, there it is.
14:43There we are going to get a little closer.
14:44See that the wings disappeared as a result of the combustion,
14:47the tail was almost intact and the cabin.
14:51Yesterday Gustavo explained to me, correct me if it is not so,
14:54for him I explain it wrong, that the hatch, that is,
14:57the exit door where the crew leaves,
14:59that is, the passengers, was up.
15:02There we are seeing it.
15:03Do you see the door?
15:04Sure.
15:05The emergency door was on the other side,
15:08it was against the floor.
15:10Sure.
15:11So that was a deadly trap.
15:14They couldn't get out because the hatch,
15:16the one that is up,
15:18it is impossible to open it when it is up.
15:20There are the screams, right?
15:21Because of the weight it has, right?
15:22There is the desperation and the screams that the witnesses marked, right?
15:25I mean, I see that the door is not even unlocked.
15:28Unlocked, of course.
15:29But in the supposed case that you could have unlocked it,
15:32it is very difficult to open up.
15:34It is very difficult.
15:35And the other one was a fireball.
15:37It was a deadly trap.
15:38It was a deadly trap.
15:39Unfortunately for both, right?
15:41For the pilot, in this case, Fernández Loza,
15:44and for Orforte, who was the co-pilot.
15:47So I say, it's tremendous.
15:49It's tremendous because the windows are two layers of glass
15:53and a laminate in the middle, right?
15:55No, forget it.
15:56You can't even break that by chance.
15:58It's like a windshield of a car that comes out whole.
16:02There is no way.
16:03No, no, no.
16:04They have been trapped by the way the plane was twisted, right?
16:08There we have the nose of the plane.
16:11The windows are intact.
16:14Not even by fire.
16:15Because that part is probably not...
16:19There we have the mobile phone live.
16:21What happens...
16:23Let's see.
16:24What they told us, I don't know if Florencia, I think also,
16:28if not, she will tell us.
16:30The firefighters from San Fernando,
16:32it's not that they took long to arrive.
16:34They arrived fast.
16:35What happens is that in an emergency like this,
16:37every minute seems like an hour.
16:39They have very few seconds.
16:41The first ones to arrive at the place,
16:43and there we are seeing it,
16:44is the fire truck from the airport.
16:46The first thing it does, by protocol,
16:48is to throw the foam, right, Gustavo?
16:51Of course, of course.
16:53That white carpet you see there,
16:56is the foam that they throw because there is fuel there.
16:59I'll give you one more piece of information.
17:01In the planes, they have painted,
17:05by regulation, on the skin of the plane,
17:08a rectangle where the firefighters have to
17:12nail the axes to be able to open,
17:14and it's not a door.
17:15I don't know if you understand.
17:17There is a part of the structure that is prepared
17:19to be able to enter,
17:20in a way,
17:21like axing it.
17:24And this plane, being totally crooked,
17:27and changing that,
17:28it wasn't even within the reach of the firefighters.
17:30It was even leaning against the wall.
17:32So it's been a lot of bad luck in every way.
17:36They should have put a ladder to break it.
17:38No, it's tremendous, tremendous.
17:39And also the amount of fuel,
17:41because even though they didn't load fuel
17:43at Punta del Este,
17:44because they went and came,
17:46it has, I don't know, how much will it have?
17:482,000 liters of JP1?
17:50No, I don't know this plane in particular.
17:53Now, at some point, Gustavo, Javi,
17:56in all this talk, we said
17:58that, of course,
17:59faced with a situation of these characteristics,
18:01sometimes,
18:02if they feel like they're going too far,
18:04they try to take off
18:06to just avoid it.
18:08To correct.
18:09I mean, they didn't have the time.
18:11Gustavo, what do you imagine?
18:12Look, no, I can't imagine much.
18:14The speculations we make can be thousands, thousands.
18:18Basically, when you land an airplane,
18:22until you don't load the reversers,
18:24you see, which are the reverse thrust part.
18:27Until they don't load what? I repeated that.
18:29The reversers.
18:30The reversers.
18:31Of course.
18:32Before loading the reversers,
18:34you can give power and fly again.
18:36I mean, what limits you
18:38to abort a later takeoff
18:41is having loaded the reversers.
18:43But it's pure speculation,
18:47because we don't know what happened there.
18:49Of course.
18:50I mean, we're going to find out.
18:52I don't want you to have the slightest doubt.
18:54I don't want all this to happen again.
18:56It's the same thing.
18:58I see.
18:59You're saying that we'll be able to establish
19:01everything that happened.
19:02Without a doubt. Without a doubt.
19:03Without a doubt at all.
19:05Of course.
19:06Good.
19:07The board works very well.
19:09Gustavo, Pablo Vinocur greets you.
19:11I wanted to ask you,
19:12what is the recommended distance
19:18between the runway and the houses?
19:22Is this distance of 200 meters correct or not?
19:25The truth is that I wouldn't know how to tell you.
19:27The airports are built
19:29according to current regulations
19:32that are usually met.
19:34Then there are a series of things
19:37that have to be met,
19:38which is the type of obstacles
19:40that have to do with the plane's ascent regime,
19:43that you have to put beacons on the antennas.
19:46There are a series of things
19:47that I'm not an expert on,
19:49not at all.
19:50Gasoline at home to fly planes, no more.
19:54I mean, in the construction part of the airport,
19:56I couldn't tell you more,
19:57but they are built according to current regulations.
20:01I have no doubt.
20:03Good.
20:04Gustavo, thank you.
20:06A big hug.
20:07Thank you for these minutes.
20:09I'm back with Flor Ducatelli.
20:11Instead of Lecho,
20:12we're still working there in San Fernando.
20:14We've gone through a moment of analysis
20:17to see what was going on.
20:19In a few minutes, more testimonies.
20:21There are 16 people.
20:22There are families who are homeless
20:24after this air tragedy.
20:26What Javier explained was very, very, very shocking.
20:29It was understood how the pilot managed
20:32to get the plane into the street
20:34to avoid, surely, greater damage.
20:37Is the airport still operational?
20:39Flor, what do you know?
20:42Yes, it's still operational.
20:44In fact, planes are flying.
20:46Every 15 minutes, at least one passes.
20:48So, the transit of the planes is quite fluid.
20:53Firefighters are still working.
20:55And the airport security police,
20:57who are just moving the truck,
21:00are still working to try to remove the front of the plane,
21:04which is the one that obstructs the house
21:06that is intended to be demolished.
21:08In fact, the municipality prioritized the house first,
21:11then the plane.
21:12But to be able to demolish the house in its entirety,
21:14they only demolished the upper part so far,
21:17they have to remove much of what is left
21:20of the aircraft that crashed.