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Video Information: ShabdYoga sesssion, 01.06.2018, Advait Bodhsthal, Noida, India
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How to get rid of all our suffering?
What is the cause of our suffering?
How to find out from where our suffering is coming?
Can only Spirituality free us from sorrow?
What is liberation? and how it is possible?
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Video Information: ShabdYoga sesssion, 01.06.2018, Advait Bodhsthal, Noida, India
Context:
How to get rid of all our suffering?
What is the cause of our suffering?
How to find out from where our suffering is coming?
Can only Spirituality free us from sorrow?
What is liberation? and how it is possible?
Music Credits: Milind Date
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00:00:00The first question is from Anoop Tiwari. He is quoting three verses from Vivek Chudamani.
00:00:28Verse 303 says,
00:00:58Then verse 304,
00:01:28Verse 307 says,
00:01:58So, the question is,
00:02:13The suffering is tremendous due to this big wound, the ego that I am carrying
00:02:26and I will have to cut that on my own.
00:02:32Is there a sharp sword available to cut and remove this wound and also remove its cancerous nature?
00:02:55Anoop, if you think that the ego is suffering,
00:03:16then you must also know that the elimination of the ego
00:03:35or dis-identification with the ego involves suffering even greater.
00:03:48The suffering due to the ego persists and continues precisely because there is greater suffering involved in the elimination of the ego.
00:04:13The equation is simple.
00:04:18Had it been ego and suffering on one side and simple joy and freedom on the other side,
00:04:38the choice would have been straightforward and obvious.
00:04:49But it's not quite so straightforward even though it actually is.
00:05:01To get rid of suffering, one has to be prepared to pass through even more suffering.
00:05:17Therein lies the catch.
00:05:19Even the quantum of suffering that one currently experiences bugs and bothers
00:05:33and therefore one tries several methods to eliminate suffering including spiritual methods.
00:05:45So the very motivation is to somehow remove suffering.
00:05:57Now to remove suffering, there are genuine methods and phoney methods.
00:06:15What's the mark of a fake method?
00:06:28A fake method for the removal of suffering does not go to the roots of suffering.
00:06:44It merely suppresses or silences the conscious manifestation and experience of suffering.
00:07:07And in that there is pleasure.
00:07:14All fake methods of suffering deal with the manifestations, expressions of suffering.
00:07:44And the seeker finds that important because the seeker himself is not bothered with the seeds of suffering.
00:07:59What has troubled the seeker is the experience of suffering.
00:08:06We must discriminate between these two.
00:08:10The seed of suffering and the conscious manifestation.
00:08:16The sensual and mental experience of suffering.
00:08:24The seed cannot be experienced and therefore most people have no grudge, no complaint against the very seed of suffering.
00:08:38People start noticing and complaining and striving only when the seed sprouts, gains strength, gains volume, becomes apparent and experienceable.
00:09:04Then the experience is bothersome.
00:09:12Like a tumor reaching advanced stages.
00:09:19In the initial stages, when it was a bit in the seed form, then trouble was lying unmanifest, relatively dormant.
00:09:49So trouble could not be noticed or experienced.
00:09:57Remember that one does not go to a physician to get rid of the disease.
00:10:08If the disease produces no symptoms, if the disease remains hidden, latent, there are so many people who would adjust to it, compromise with it.
00:10:33One goes to the physician when the disease starts giving troublesome experiences.
00:10:50So most people are bothered just with the elimination of the experience of suffering.
00:10:59That's their aim.
00:11:03And if you are concerned just with the elimination of the experience of suffering, then there is an easy and fake way available.
00:11:17You were disliking a type of experience, you called it suffering.
00:11:29You can be given an opposite type of experience that you will call as pleasure or happiness.
00:11:42So when you experience suffering, there is a very quick and dirty solution available.
00:11:52Go to some place, go to some shop where happiness is available.
00:11:59And that is why happiness sells.
00:12:03Because happiness is a quick and dirty solution to the ancient and deep problem of human angst, human suffering.
00:12:17Happiness does not relieve one of suffering.
00:12:22But happiness takes your attention away from the symptoms of suffering.
00:12:33And one is done.
00:12:37One says fine.
00:12:38One says fine.
00:12:46Because the objective has been served.
00:13:01The genuine method comes with a problem.
00:13:09The genuine method exposes suffering, makes it conscious.
00:13:22Conscious.
00:13:24We all know that normally only a very little bit of the entirety of mind
00:13:53is available to conscious experience.
00:14:03Conscious experience has been likened to an iceberg.
00:14:06It is just one by nine, a small fraction of that which is really present.
00:14:24So even if you say that you are suffering, your conscious experience is just one by nine of the total suffering.
00:14:41It's a tree of which only one by nine is above the surface.
00:14:55The roots are deep, deep in the dark.
00:15:06Eight by nine of the tree is below the surface, below the soil.
00:15:16And you are troubled.
00:15:17You are troubled by what?
00:15:21Just by one by nine.
00:15:24You are so troubled by the one by nine apparent and phenomenal experience that you want to eliminate it.
00:15:41You want to remove it.
00:15:44But the roots of the tree are deep within.
00:15:49And that is eight times that which is available to experience.
00:16:02To remove that one, to remove that one portion, actually the whole tree has to be uprooted.
00:16:16If only the surface level phenomena is removed, very soon the tree will regrow, branch out again because it has strong roots.
00:16:35Most of the tree is just roots.
00:16:38Roots.
00:16:40The roots are eight times bigger and deeper than the shoots and the trunk and the leaves and the twigs.
00:16:55It's that kind of a tree.
00:16:56So we see that to get rid of the conscious experience of the suffering, we will have to dig deep, dig deep towards the roots.
00:17:15Now begins the pain involved in the procedure.
00:17:30When you start digging deep, that which was not available to experience starts becoming experienceable.
00:17:49Just the one part out of nine was troublesome enough.
00:17:54You were running hither and thither to get rid of that experience.
00:18:00And now more and more of suffering is being unearthed.
00:18:09As you dig deeper, all you come across is more suffering and more suffering.
00:18:20And now there is great incentive for the spiritual seeker to run away.
00:18:26He will go away.
00:18:36Who will remain?
00:18:38Only the one who wants to see the whole thing through to its end.
00:18:45Once commitment has to be very deep and one must not be merely wanting the elimination of the superficial symptoms.
00:19:16One must be stubborn.
00:19:23One must be devoted enough and wise enough to uproot the whole tree.
00:19:46But that would mean going through much more suffering than that which seemed to exist in the first place.
00:20:03So the real process, the genuine process involves something counterintuitive.
00:20:16You start on the spiritual path to get rid of one part of suffering and to actually remove that one part you must face eight more parts.
00:20:36Normally this cannot happen because even the one part was intolerable.
00:20:45If one part was intolerable, how is one going to face eight more parts?
00:20:56So the process won't proceed for long.
00:21:07The process won't fructify.
00:21:12One would start bickering and cribbing.
00:21:18One would say, what kind of medicine is this that is only enhancing the pain?
00:21:26One would say, I came to get rid of my condition, but the medicine has only worsened my condition.
00:21:47And when one would be saying that, that would not be false.
00:22:02One's complaints cannot be just brushed away.
00:22:16It is a fact that the spiritual seeker, the genuine man goes through much more suffering than the ordinary normal man.
00:22:46So do not be too bothered about the suffering that you experience.
00:23:04If that which you experience bothers you, then you will not be able to go through that which is needed to be gone through.
00:23:23It is a fallacy that life for the spiritual man is free of suffering.
00:23:37It does not happen that way.
00:23:39In fact, the spiritual man is the one who is capable of going through much more suffering than the ordinary man.
00:24:09That brings us to the question, what sustains his resilience?
00:24:39What powers him to go through all this suffering?
00:24:50The answer will surprise you.
00:24:58The answer is that he is able to go through so much suffering because he has something that remains untouched by suffering.
00:25:14He is able to go through a lot of suffering because he does not really suffer.
00:25:33He suffers and yet not.
00:25:36He suffers and does not.
00:25:39Does he suffer? Of course, yes.
00:25:44Does he not suffer? Of course, yes.
00:25:55He has a great unending reserve of joy.
00:26:00And that is what empowers him to bear all the suffering.
00:26:10He has something that is much more important, valuable, immediate and intimate than suffering.
00:26:26That is what takes him through.
00:26:40Otherwise, how would you cross over?
00:26:46It's a tough battle.
00:26:56It's an arduous proposition.
00:27:00It's an entire ocean of suffering.
00:27:10You must have something within that emboldens you to invite suffering.
00:27:28You must have something central.
00:27:38So central that suffering starts appearing peripheral.
00:27:45So do not ask me, Anup, how to get rid of ego and its pangs.
00:27:56Turn towards yourself and ask, do you have that which will enable you to bear any suffering?
00:28:14It's a weak man who does not want to suffer.
00:28:22The strong one does not ask for eradication of suffering.
00:28:32The strong one asks merely for more strength.
00:28:36The weak mind says, let there be no suffering.
00:28:47He has no option but to request this.
00:28:51Let there be no suffering because I am not strong enough to bear it.
00:28:58The strong mind, the spiritual mind says, let there be suffering.
00:29:14All I want is the intimacy of that which will enable me to go through all the suffering without breaking down.
00:29:33That is a mistake that so many seekers make.
00:29:46They want removal of suffering which is not possible.
00:29:57Instead, they should ask themselves, is something beyond suffering present in their life?
00:30:21If you are born, if you are a human being, if you are an embodied being, then suffering is inevitable.
00:30:46And if you are a seeker, then even more suffering is inevitable.
00:31:02Who told you that the realized ones do not suffer?
00:31:11They joyfully suffer.
00:31:14That's the only difference between them and the normal sufferers.
00:31:21The normal sufferer curses and complains.
00:31:27The mystic, the man of God suffers and suffers so deeply that he dances.
00:31:40And since he can dance even in his pain, so he is blessed with more pain and more dance.
00:31:56If you want to just dance without pain, then your dance will be hollow.
00:32:08If you are someone who has no capacity for pain, then your dance, your work, your life, your poetry, your love, all will be hollow.
00:32:25You cannot be a lover without having great potential for pain.
00:32:40Great poetry arises only from deep suffering.
00:32:53But deep suffering is available only to those who are deeply joyful.
00:33:01Otherwise suffering will break you down.
00:33:09Mediocre and tepid minds have neither joy nor suffering.
00:33:21All they have is a shallow existence dealing with very ordinary experiences.
00:33:31Only large hearts can get broken because they allow themselves to be broken.
00:33:45Because they know that even if they are broken a thousand times, they would still be put together by something more powerful than suffering.
00:33:59Small minds cower, they seek armors, they run for shelter.
00:34:16And they must do that because their self-concept is that they will be destroyed against adversities.
00:34:29The strong mind revels in adversities.
00:34:38He invites wounds.
00:34:54That's the common man dealing in shallow happiness.
00:34:59Eat and sleep, that's the life of the common man.
00:35:03And dedicate your life to earning, eating and sleeping.
00:35:11What else does the common man do?
00:35:21That's the man of God for you.
00:35:24Capable of awakening and capable of suffering.
00:35:34Happiness is the world, eat and sleep.
00:35:40So if you are someone who is seeking happiness, then don't come to Kabir.
00:35:46Then you should go to the ordinary mortals.
00:35:49There you will find a lot of happiness, pleasure.
00:35:56With God, you get a lot of tears.
00:36:02If you are someone who has no capacity for tears, don't come to God.
00:36:33That's the attitude of the spiritual mind.
00:36:46The ordinary mind runs away from battles and possibilities of losses.
00:36:57The spiritual mind invites battles, wounds.
00:37:06He says my wounds are like sacred marks on the body.
00:37:17I don't need to wear a tilak.
00:37:23The scars on my face are enough.
00:37:31Tilak and all such other sacred signs are so superficial, they can get washed off.
00:37:41But when you are a real fighter, then the scars on your body stay.
00:37:48Not only do they stay, they keep getting multiplied.
00:37:53That's the mark of the genuine man.
00:38:05But most people do not come to spirituality because they are inclined towards their own elimination.
00:38:13If I ask you, enter only if you are agreeable to your death, then this hall would be vacant.
00:38:34If a form is circulated at the entrance,
00:38:42Do you want to die?
00:38:44Yes, no.
00:38:46Yes, enter. No, go to your home.
00:38:49Who would be here?
00:38:57But Kabir is saying, I want to die.
00:39:00Not that I am merely agreeing to death.
00:39:05Not that I am compromising.
00:39:07I am actually fond of dying.
00:39:16I am fond of taking on suffering.
00:39:22But again and again I get questions that are just asking one thing.
00:39:28How do I get rid of suffering?
00:39:33And I wonder, who told you that at this place one gets rid of suffering?
00:39:43The fact is, you were not suffering greatly before you came to this place.
00:39:59Those who come here and start living here, they are the ones who really encounter suffering.
00:40:13If you want to know what suffering really means,
00:40:18then meet the people of Bodhisattva, read their lives, read their experiences.
00:40:33They are the ones who have now admitted, rather invited suffering into their life.
00:40:54Only a deep mind can know deep suffering.
00:41:02For shallow minds, there is only shallow pleasure and shallow pain.
00:41:13A little bit of happiness.
00:41:19A little bit of sadness.
00:41:22Beyond that, they have no appetite.
00:41:27Beyond that, they anyway cannot take or digest.
00:41:37For deep minds, there is depth in everything that they experience, that they go through.
00:41:50They know depths of disappointment.
00:41:57And they also know heights of ecstasy.
00:42:03And those who are not prepared to go through depths of disappointment
00:42:12will forever miss the heights of ecstasy.
00:42:19It is, remember, ecstasy that powers you to bear disappointment.
00:42:35Otherwise, disappointment is unbearable.
00:42:41And now you know why this world is so afraid of pain.
00:42:49Because it has no stamina, no strength, no depth to bear pain.
00:42:59That's the reward to the deep mind, to the spiritual mind.
00:43:15Novel mind.
00:43:28Novel, distinguished, extraordinary suffering.
00:43:46Doesn't sound too attractive, does it?
00:43:49If you have been brought to spirituality
00:44:17by the hope that life would be full of pure joy and undiluted bliss and unending happiness
00:44:31once you read the scriptures or meditate or go through spiritual practices
00:44:46or sit in religious gatherings,
00:44:52then your hope needs to be dashed.
00:45:08No.
00:45:16Spirituality is not freedom from suffering in the ordinary sense of freedom.
00:45:37Spirituality is depth in suffering.
00:45:42Spirituality does not free you of suffering.
00:45:51Spirituality frees you of shallowness.
00:45:56Suffering would remain, shallowness would go.
00:46:00So you won't have shallow suffering anymore.
00:46:03Now you would have deep, deep suffering.
00:46:11Most of you would be finding all this quite abhorrent.
00:46:18But some of you might be inexplicably tempted.
00:46:28Some of you might be feeling a mystical pull towards the pain I am talking of.
00:46:45God is only for those who experience that mystical pull towards a pain that cannot be explained.
00:47:14So Anup, you are asking me for a method to get rid
00:47:43of the suffering.
00:47:49The method is more suffering.
00:48:03But to go through more suffering,
00:48:05come close to that which is untouched by suffering,
00:48:14that which is beyond suffering.
00:48:19Come close to that.
00:48:24If you are troubled,
00:48:36by the dirt that you see in your house,
00:48:46and you intend a clean up,
00:48:50then you should be prepared to see even more dirt.
00:48:59The dirt that you are currently seeing,
00:49:06is superficial,
00:49:11is a tiny fraction,
00:49:13is one by nine of that which remains hidden.
00:49:24So do not ask for superficial liberation from dirt.
00:49:32Ask for a hard broom.
00:49:42And ask for lungs solid enough and healthy enough.
00:49:50And arms strong enough.
00:50:00That's what you must ask for.
00:50:10A mind that does not recoil when it sees its own dirty face.
00:50:19That's the kind of mind that is needed.
00:50:26People come to spirituality,
00:50:30expecting to see beauties.
00:50:39They say,
00:50:40Satyam Shivam Sundaram.
00:50:42The truth is indeed beautiful.
00:50:44Is it not Acharyaji?
00:50:47Yes, the truth is indeed beautiful.
00:50:51But you are not.
00:50:58And before you can see the beautiful face of truth,
00:51:04you will have to go through layers and layers of your own ugliness.
00:51:17If you are fond of beauty,
00:51:20you must be prepared
00:51:25to look at ugliness straight and square.
00:51:35Otherwise, all you would get is some makeup.
00:51:40Real beauty would remain elusive.
00:51:51In the name of beauty,
00:51:53you would just cover up the ugliness.
00:52:00And these are the two methods
00:52:03to be beautiful.
00:52:12The fake method is to cover up the dirt with makeup.
00:52:21The face is indeed ugly
00:52:25and dirty.
00:52:27Nothing but filth accumulated since centuries.
00:52:34And you cover it up.
00:52:43A paint job.
00:52:48This is the phony method.
00:52:53The genuine method is to keep peeling off the ugly faces.
00:53:04And you cannot close your eyes as you are peeling them off.
00:53:08You will have to look at them
00:53:10and you will have to accept
00:53:13that so much ugliness indeed does exist.
00:53:25And when all the faces are gone
00:53:28and neither faces are left
00:53:33nor are you left
00:53:39to peel the faces off,
00:53:42then all that is left
00:53:47is beauty.
00:53:52It is not beauty
00:53:54in the ordinary sense of the word.
00:53:58It is not beauty that you can admire from a distance.
00:54:09It is beauty for the beautiful one.
00:54:15It is beauty in which
00:54:18you are the beautiful one.
00:54:22It is beauty in which
00:54:25the beholder of the beauty
00:54:29is himself the beautiful one.
00:54:49Believe me,
00:54:56if you are someone
00:55:00whose life is normal
00:55:03and largely free of suffering,
00:55:06then you are either a Buddha
00:55:11or a very cheap thug.
00:55:19You are either someone
00:55:22who has crossed over
00:55:25or is
00:55:31a retarded
00:55:34and coward mind
00:55:40that has not yet even dived in.
00:55:45Being born as a human being,
00:55:55it is impossible
00:55:58to live a so-called happy life.
00:56:07Beware the happy man.
00:56:09He is very dangerous
00:56:11to himself and to everybody.
00:56:15Be very cautious of the ones who are
00:56:18found mostly smiling
00:56:21and in good moods.
00:56:30They are hiding their teeth and their fangs.
00:56:40Those smiles
00:56:45are both
00:56:50ignorance and violence.
00:57:06You may
00:57:09find all the
00:57:15CEOs
00:57:18and the go-getters
00:57:22smiling
00:57:29on their Facebook profiles.
00:57:34How often have you seen
00:57:38a Christ smiling?
00:57:51Any representation of Krishna
00:57:54in which you can see his teeth?
00:58:03Ever seen Ram smiling?
00:58:05Any statue?
00:58:07Anywhere?
00:58:10At any time?
00:58:23Their face
00:58:27has been
00:58:29made mature
00:58:48by suffering.
00:58:51They are right.
00:58:59They don't giggle
00:59:09like a juvenile
00:59:11or like an American CEO.
00:59:13Like a juvenile
00:59:15or like an American CEO.
00:59:34Even when Kabir says
00:59:38rest assured
00:59:39he was
00:59:41speaking with a straight face.
00:59:48They were not sad.
00:59:52They were just deep.
00:59:58Not laughing
01:00:00does not mean sadness.
01:00:03It only means
01:00:05you are not excited.
01:00:08Happiness is a
01:00:10kind of
01:00:12excitement.
01:00:20And if you are not happy
01:00:26that does not mean
01:00:28you have to be necessarily sad.
01:00:37And there is great beauty
01:00:39when you are
01:00:41neither happy
01:00:43nor sad
01:00:45when you are just
01:00:47deep.
01:00:52When you are just deep
01:00:54then your face is as
01:00:56beautiful
01:00:58as that of a Kabir
01:01:00as that of a Buddha or Mahavir.
01:01:03You cannot imagine
01:01:05a Mahavir
01:01:07guffawing.
01:01:09Or can you?
01:01:17And even if
01:01:21a Bodhidharma
01:01:23does
01:01:25does
01:01:33come up with a raucous laughter
01:01:35even that laughter
01:01:37has depth.
01:01:41And for laughter
01:01:43to have depth there has to be
01:01:45deep suffering.
01:01:47Laughter is so beautiful
01:01:49when you are smiling
01:01:51in the middle of suffering.
01:01:53When you are laughing
01:01:55in the face of suffering
01:01:57it's then that laughter is beautiful.
01:02:06Look at these here.
01:02:12Look at these faces.
01:02:14They know suffering
01:02:16end to end.
01:02:18And that's why
01:02:20they are looking
01:02:22at us from where
01:02:24they are.
01:02:28That's the difference between
01:02:30them and the
01:02:32ordinary man.
01:02:34The ordinary man worships
01:02:36happiness.
01:02:38Why even ordinary gurus
01:02:40are selling happiness?
01:02:52A very prominent organization
01:02:54in the field
01:02:56of spirituality
01:03:00has become popular
01:03:02by organizing happiness camps.
01:03:08A Krishna
01:03:12would never say
01:03:14that
01:03:18happiness
01:03:20is
01:03:22the aim of life
01:03:24or even important.
01:03:28Nor would
01:03:30a Kabir say
01:03:32that
01:03:50That's the difference between
01:03:52the ordinary man and Kabir.
01:03:54The ordinary man
01:03:56is
01:03:58a happiness
01:04:00chaser.
01:04:04And markets
01:04:10and self-help books
01:04:12and gurus sitting
01:04:14in the market keep providing
01:04:16the ordinary man with
01:04:18happiness.
01:04:20In his mind,
01:04:26he keeps thinking
01:04:28I am happy.
01:04:32That's the ordinary man for you.
01:04:34And in the next line,
01:04:36you have Kabir.
01:04:38That's what Kabir is saying.
01:04:40Right when the ordinary man
01:04:42is celebrating, Kabir is saying
01:04:44Jagat Chabaina Kaal Ka
01:04:46Kuch Mukh Mein Kuch Godh
01:04:48Kabir is looking at this man
01:04:50in all his
01:04:52revelry
01:04:58and saying
01:05:02you are being
01:05:06devoured by
01:05:08death and destruction
01:05:10and you are so afraid
01:05:14that you cannot even see that
01:05:18and you are so afraid
01:05:20that to avoid the fact
01:05:22of your death and destruction
01:05:24you keep pretending
01:05:26to be happy.
01:05:28Spirituality
01:05:40is not there
01:05:42to deliver you happiness
01:05:48and if you find
01:05:50somebody, anybody
01:05:52selling happiness in the name of
01:05:54spirituality, run away.
01:05:58Meeting a Guru
01:06:04is a catastrophe.
01:06:16It is a calamity
01:06:18that you have only partially
01:06:20invited.
01:06:28In the after morning
01:06:30and somebody comes and says I am going to
01:06:32throw cold water upon you.
01:06:34You can be mentally
01:06:36prepared but still
01:06:38you would be only half prepared.
01:06:40When the water would
01:06:42fall upon you,
01:06:44the experience would beat
01:06:46all your preparation.
01:06:48You
01:06:54can never
01:06:56be fully prepared
01:07:00for the
01:07:04catastrophic experience
01:07:10that a Guru brings to you.
01:07:12You
01:07:14are
01:07:16broken down
01:07:18beyond your
01:07:20expectations and beyond your
01:07:22preparation.
01:07:26Ten times a day
01:07:28you curse the moment
01:07:30when you came
01:07:32in touch with the Guru
01:07:36and you cry out my life
01:07:38has been destroyed
01:07:41and you aren't
01:07:44blabbering.
01:07:46For a change, you are spot on.
01:07:48Yes,
01:07:50your life has been destroyed.
01:07:52That's
01:07:54exactly what the Guru
01:07:56intended to do, destroy your life.
01:08:10Some of
01:08:16you would be finding this scary.
01:08:18The others would be finding
01:08:20it mysteriously
01:08:22appealing.
01:08:26They are the ones
01:08:28I am looking forward to.
01:08:34The others, I just want them to
01:08:36be too afraid
01:08:41to come any closer.
01:09:02Anup, decide
01:09:06where do you belong?
01:09:10What
01:09:14do you want?
01:09:36There is no joy
01:09:38without
01:09:40suffering.
01:10:09Only when you are
01:10:11shivering to the core
01:10:20and shivering
01:10:26fiercely,
01:10:30shivering
01:10:32badly and madly
01:10:38that all your
01:10:48dirt and garbage
01:10:50falls off.
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