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00:00Good evening. Welcome to Hatsumimi Kaidan.
00:02First, let's welcome the regulars.
00:04Thank you for having us.
00:07And today, we have a special guest.
00:10This is the second time Hatsumimi Kaidan is here.
00:13He is the CEO of Kachimodo Co., Ltd.,
00:15Mr. Kazutoshi Kodama.
00:17Thank you for having me.
00:19Mr. Kodama, I heard that you run a real estate company
00:23that specializes in your own property.
00:26Last time you were here,
00:28did you receive any positive feedback?
00:30What I really appreciate is that
00:32everyone's comments and comments are very warm.
00:36So I'm very grateful that
00:38people who can contact me
00:40are very warm to me.
00:42That's great.
00:44I'd like you to check it out.
00:48Now, let's move on to this corner.
00:50This is the Hatsumimi Itobata Conference.
00:52In this corner,
00:54we will talk about the topics
00:56that have been discussed.
00:58Yesterday, October 20th,
01:00was the day when
01:02Yoyogi Park opened.
01:04This time,
01:06we will talk about the theme of the park.
01:08Mr. Nobu, do you have any title you want to talk about?
01:10Well,
01:12the theme of the park is
01:14the image of children playing.
01:16I'm afraid of
01:18the image of death.
01:20I'm afraid of
01:22the image of death.
01:24I'm afraid of the image of death.
01:26I'm afraid of the image of death.
01:28This is my story.
01:30This story is about
01:32a park in Chiba Prefecture.
01:34In Chiba Prefecture?
01:36Yes.
01:38When I was a student,
01:40Mr. A was famous for
01:42the fact that there were
01:44three suicides,
01:46one hanged himself,
01:48and four other suicides.
01:50The three suicides were
01:52about fireworks.
01:54Before the park,
01:56Mr. A was the first
01:58to hang himself.
02:00When I saw him,
02:02I heard a woman laughing
02:04in the park.
02:06I wondered
02:08if someone was there.
02:10I didn't want to get involved
02:12because I was a bad guy.
02:14I thought I'd change the place,
02:16but all my friends came.
02:18I tried to talk to them,
02:20but they couldn't hear me.
02:22They thought
02:24I was the only one
02:26who could hear them.
02:28When I decided to do it,
02:30a woman said,
02:32Hey, wait a minute.
02:34Can't you hear a woman laughing?
02:36Can you still hear
02:38a woman laughing
02:40from a little far away?
02:42There was a tree
02:44not that big
02:46in the park.
02:48It was a woman
02:50in a very flashy red suit.
02:52She was hanging a rope
02:54on a branch
02:56and was swinging
02:58like this.
03:00I saw it.
03:02I heard a woman's voice,
03:04but I couldn't see it.
03:06Only Mr. A could see the scene.
03:08When a woman was there
03:10and her friends were getting closer,
03:12the woman who was laughing
03:14stopped laughing and turned around.
03:16She turned around
03:18and looked at the boys
03:20who were getting closer to her
03:22and smiled.
03:24I thought I shouldn't say this,
03:26so I said,
03:28Oh, no, it's not this way.
03:30I said, Can you hear me from this side?
03:32I managed to deceive her.
03:34After that, Mr. A saw
03:36that woman several times.
03:38Maybe there's still
03:40a woman swinging
03:42like this in the park.
03:46It's scary.
03:48It's scary.
03:50She was wearing a flashy dress.
03:52She was dancing disco.
03:54She was a woman
03:56like Juliana.
03:58That's what I remember.
04:00Did you want her to notice it?
04:02Yes.
04:04I felt like I was
04:06showing her something.
04:08Can I go next?
04:10What I'm curious about
04:12is the ritual of Y Park.
04:14Ritual in the park?
04:16It looks scary.
04:18This is me.
04:20I heard this story
04:22from a man named Mr. Kurata.
04:24He was walking
04:26in the park.
04:28Then,
04:30about 20 people
04:32were standing in a circle
04:34in a large park.
04:36They were looking at the sky
04:38and I was curious.
04:40I asked a woman
04:42what she was doing.
04:44She said
04:46she was watching
04:48us.
04:50She told me
04:52that she was reading
04:54something like that.
04:56She was interested
04:58so she was looking at us.
05:00After a while,
05:02everyone started saying
05:04they were coming.
05:06I looked up
05:08and there was nothing.
05:10I thought it was strange.
05:12Then, a man
05:14came up to me
05:16and said
05:18UFOs fly high.
05:20I was surprised.
05:22He said
05:24UFOs fly about 2 meters
05:26in the sky.
05:28Mr. Kurata
05:30was about 2 meters high.
05:32Then,
05:34something appeared
05:36and it was spinning.
05:38I thought
05:40it was there.
05:42I was surprised
05:44and went home.
05:46UFOs.
05:48They are close.
05:50I thought
05:52they were there.
05:54Maybe
05:56you can see them
05:58if you try to focus.
06:00That's right.
06:02Can I choose one?
06:04I want to know why it became a park.
06:06Why it became a park.
06:08I was working
06:10as a manager
06:12when I was a salaried man.
06:14I was in charge of
06:16managing a five-story apartment.
06:18The balcony was
06:20about 3 or 4 meters wide
06:22and there were weeds growing.
06:24It was like a square.
06:26There was a small park
06:28there.
06:30It wasn't a big building
06:32but I wondered
06:34why they prepared
06:36such a big space.
06:38I was looking at it
06:40and a mother of a tenant
06:42came to me
06:44holding her child's hand.
06:46She said
06:48tenants don't play in this park.
06:50What?
06:52She said this park
06:54wasn't built for residents.
06:56What?
06:58About a year ago,
07:00there was a child
07:02who fell from the balcony.
07:04He fell
07:06in a park
07:08and
07:10he saw
07:12his child
07:14lying on the ground.
07:16He was a new tenant.
07:18Instead of
07:20building a shrine
07:22or a temple,
07:24he built a park
07:26to play with his child.
07:28However,
07:30there was a rumor
07:32that his child
07:34would be pulled by his child
07:36and he couldn't
07:38play with his child.
07:40However,
07:42all the residents
07:44who lived there
07:4620 years ago
07:48didn't leave.
07:50It was just a rumor.
07:52I was in charge of
07:54the park.
07:56I heard
07:58the sound
08:00of his child being pulled
08:02in the middle of the night.
08:04What?
08:06The owner
08:08I took care of
08:10was the 4th or 5th generation owner.
08:12What?
08:14He used the least amount of oil.
08:16If his child was pulled
08:18in the middle of the night,
08:20he would be pulled out.
08:22So I suggested
08:24to the owner
08:26to use the least amount of oil.
08:28I think
08:30he was trying to
08:32keep his child
08:34from boredom.
08:36He might become
08:38a good friend
08:40and protect his child.
08:42That's all for Hatsumimi.
08:46Let's move on to the next corner.
08:48It's Hatsumimi Short Stairs.
08:50In this corner,
08:52we will show you
08:54the short stairs
08:56that the staff
08:58collected from the public
09:00in the city.
09:02Let's take a look at
09:04Hatsumimi Short Stairs.
09:10This is what happened
09:12to Mr. Endo when he was a child.
09:14When he was sleeping at home,
09:16a white man came out
09:18His face, eyes,
09:20and nose were all white.
09:22When he came out,
09:24he opened his mouth wide
09:26and disappeared to the ceiling.
09:28One day,
09:30he was curious
09:32about the white man
09:34so he called out to the white man.
09:36He said,
09:38if you can stand the white man,
09:40I will give you wealth.
09:42The white man grabbed
09:44Mr. Endo's arm.
09:46After that,
09:48the white man never came out again.
09:50However,
09:52recently,
09:54his 3-year-old son
09:56said that a white man
09:58was coming out of the ceiling.
10:00His wife was scared,
10:02so she went to pay the bill.
10:04Mr. Endo said,
10:06if his son could stand the white man,
10:08he might be able to get wealth.
10:10He was trying to see what was going on.
10:12That's the end of the story.
10:14That's an interesting story.
10:18In Tohoku region,
10:20there was a castle.
10:22The castle was famous.
10:24It was all white.
10:26When the white man came out,
10:28he was told that
10:30if he could see the castle,
10:32he would bring good news.
10:34So, depending on the region,
10:36he might have been a good person.
10:38In the case of a dead person,
10:40there is no color.
10:42So, his hand turns white.
10:44He might be close to death.
10:46If that happens,
10:48who will get the wealth?
10:50In that case,
10:52he might give the wealth
10:54to his family
10:56in exchange for the life
10:58of the person he is connected to.
11:00It's a scary story.
11:02It's not just a good story.
11:04It was a very interesting story.
11:06Thank you very much.
11:08There is a girl behind him.
11:10Her eyes are facing different directions.
11:12Her eyes don't meet.
11:16Let's move on to the next segment.
11:18It's the first take of Hatsumimi Kaidan.
11:20From now on,
11:22we will show you the first take
11:24of Hatsumimi Kaidan.
11:26Today's guest is
11:28Nobu Okami.
11:30It's been a while.
11:32It's been a while.
11:34Let's go.
11:36I'm nervous.
11:38You are nervous, aren't you?
11:40Yes, I am.
11:42Are you ready?
11:44Yes, I'm ready.
11:46Today's guest is Ren.
11:48Thank you very much.
11:50Let's welcome Nobu Okami.
11:54This is the story.
11:56Ren is a girl.
11:58It's a real experience
12:00when she was in the 3rd grade of junior high school.
12:02Ren was in the Aquatic Department.
12:04She did her best
12:06in the Aquatic Department.
12:08One summer day,
12:10it was almost summer break.
12:12It was the season.
12:14Everyone was very excited.
12:16They were saying,
12:18wow, wow, wow.
12:20At that time,
12:22there was a club.
12:24She was in the Aquatic Department.
12:26She went to the music room.
12:28She was with her classmates.
12:30When she was walking to the music room,
12:32she saw
12:34a girl from the Aquatic Department
12:36who was in the 2nd grade of junior high school
12:38running towards her.
12:40She thought,
12:42oh, she is running towards me.
12:44Then,
12:46the girl
12:48stopped in front of them.
12:52Senpai,
12:54I'm sorry to say this suddenly,
12:56but
12:58there is a girl
13:00behind you.
13:02What?
13:04What are you talking about?
13:06She is not here.
13:10After that,
13:12she heard a rumor
13:14from this girl.
13:16At that time,
13:18in the 2nd grade of junior high school,
13:20there was a rumor
13:22that a girl in a sailor uniform
13:24appeared in various places.
13:26It spread
13:28in the 2nd grade of junior high school.
13:30I was curious about
13:32this rumor.
13:34I thought
13:36it was very strange.
13:38Usually,
13:40rumors like this
13:42don't come from the students.
13:44But,
13:46this rumor came from a teacher.
13:50A teacher
13:52in the 2nd grade of junior high school
13:54said,
13:56in order to have a class,
13:58students had to walk
14:00to the classroom.
14:02In this school,
14:04there is a north building
14:06and a south building.
14:08In the 2nd grade of junior high school,
14:10the 3rd floor of the north building
14:12and the 3rd floor of the south building
14:14are connected
14:16by a crosswalk.
14:18This teacher said,
14:20first, go up to the 3rd floor of the south building.
14:22Then,
14:24cross the crosswalk
14:26and walk to the 2nd grade of junior high school.
14:28When the bell rang,
14:30this teacher
14:32was walking to the classroom.
14:34Then,
14:36a girl came out
14:38from the classroom
14:40she was going to go to.
14:42She came to me
14:44and we passed each other.
14:46When we passed each other,
14:48the teacher rang the bell.
14:50She said,
14:52the class is about to start.
14:54Then,
14:56she stopped
14:58and looked at me.
15:02It was the first time I saw her face.
15:06She looked at me
15:08with a creepy
15:10and unpleasant face.
15:12She looked at me,
15:14but
15:16her eyes were definitely
15:18facing me.
15:20Her eyes were facing
15:22me.
15:24She was wearing
15:26a sailor suit.
15:28When I told her
15:30that I saw a ghost
15:32of a girl in a sailor suit,
15:34in the homeroom,
15:36many people
15:38said
15:40they saw a girl
15:42in a sailor suit
15:44between the 2nd grade of junior high school.
15:46One student saw
15:48a girl in a sailor suit
15:50while she was
15:52washing her face
15:54in a girl's bathroom.
15:56When she looked at the mirror,
15:58she saw a girl in a sailor suit
16:00behind her.
16:02Another student saw
16:04a girl in a sailor suit
16:06walking down the hallway
16:08when she was
16:10taking a class.
16:12In this way,
16:14many people saw
16:16a girl in a sailor suit.
16:18I heard this story
16:20from a girl in the 2nd grade of junior high school.
16:22Her classmate
16:24and a 1st grader
16:26talked about
16:28a girl in a sailor suit
16:30in many places.
16:32Gradually,
16:34they got used to
16:36talking about it.
16:38At some point,
16:40she told
16:42her classmate
16:44that
16:46she saw a girl
16:48in a sailor suit
16:50between the 2nd grade of junior high school.
16:52She thought
16:54she might see
16:56a girl in the 3rd grade of junior high school.
16:58Her classmate
17:00was shaking
17:02while pointing
17:04his finger
17:06behind her.
17:08He said
17:10there was no girl
17:12behind him.
17:14He said
17:16he saw
17:18a girl
17:20in a sailor suit
17:22smiling
17:24at him.
17:26But
17:28the story was different.
17:30Rumor has it
17:32that
17:34they didn't see eye to eye.
17:36However,
17:38they saw eye to eye.
17:40After that,
17:42the girl
17:44in a sailor suit
17:46disappeared.
17:48That's the end of the story.
17:50What do you think
17:52after hearing this story?
17:54I think
17:56it's a kind of
17:58group hysteria
18:00or group panic.
18:02However,
18:04the origin of this story
18:06is a teacher.
18:08I wonder
18:10what the teacher
18:12intended to do.
18:14One more thing.
18:16Rumor has it
18:18that they didn't see eye to eye.
18:20However,
18:22they saw eye to eye.
18:24That's all.
18:26Thank you very much.
18:32Each person
18:34has a different point of view.
18:36How much information
18:38does each person have?
18:40I see.
18:44It ended in a bad way.
18:46I'm sorry.
18:48We talked about group hysteria.
18:50When someone says
18:52there is such a thing,
18:54everyone can see it.
18:56I thought
18:58there was such a thing in school.
19:00I think the story
19:02that the teacher told
19:04is more credible
19:06because
19:08there is such a thing.
19:10Maybe the teacher
19:12wanted to scare the students.
19:14So, he told the students
19:16to be scared.
19:18The students believed it.
19:20So, there is
19:22a teacher in this school.
19:24That's all.
19:26The expression of the teacher's face
19:28and what the teacher didn't say
19:30are different for each person.
19:32I think
19:34such stories
19:36will be born.
19:38In the past,
19:40there was a girl named Kuchisake.
19:42When that story spread,
19:44people thought
19:46there was a girl
19:48who was wearing a mask.
19:50I thought
19:52such a person
19:54was created.
19:56Wasn't there such a theory?
19:58How much information
20:00will spread
20:02based on such a theory?
20:04It was in the middle of Japan.
20:06CIA was investigating
20:08how the information
20:10spread in Japan.
20:12I thought
20:14it would be interesting
20:16if the rumor
20:18in the school spread.
20:20The rumor
20:22was spread by the teacher.
20:24He is a bad teacher.
20:26I thought it would be interesting
20:28if the rumor spread.
20:30What does it mean
20:32that the rumor spread?
20:34Spreading rumors
20:36is an interesting idea.
20:38Originally,
20:40the school had a meeting.
20:42The students
20:44were conscious of it.
20:46The meeting
20:48was growing.
20:50I don't know.
20:52It was a process of
20:54becoming infinite.
20:56The shape and existence
20:58of the school
21:00became real.
21:02I thought it was scary.
21:04It became perfect.
21:06That's what I thought.
21:10How did you like it?
21:12We are looking for
21:14interesting experiences
21:16from the viewers.
21:18We have a lot of
21:20unique stories.
21:22Today's guest was
21:24Kazutoshi Kodama.