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00:27I'm Evan Maranofsky.

00:28That is Connor Ryan.

00:30What is up?

00:31Evan.

00:32I'm doing well.

00:33How are you doing?

00:34Doing great.

00:35Doing great.

00:36Hoping that we're not recording two podcasts today like we had to do on Monday.

00:41Oh boy.

00:43Oh boy.

00:45I don't suspect that will be the case today, but...

00:48Why would you say that?

00:50You never know.

00:51You never know.

00:52You never...

00:53Knock on wood.

00:54I'm on a desk of wood and I am knocking on it.

00:57I have to say, before we dive into the Jeremy Swayman stuff, I know we have both said we're

01:02sick of talking about it.

01:03And I agree.

01:06We've talked about this for months.

01:07And during the summer, this was really the only big topic there was to discuss.

01:12With the recent developments, though, I think this is one of the most fascinating contract

01:18stories that I can remember.

01:22Across all four of the teams here, at least, in Boston.

01:26This is fascinating.

01:27I mean, you have both sides throwing stuff at each other publicly.

01:32Not through even just sources or anything.

01:35This is out in the open, statements, press conferences.

01:41I find it incredibly fascinating.

01:47It's just been, I don't want to say documentary-worthy, because I don't think it's that big.

01:53But just eye-opening.

01:54Yeah.

01:55I mean, what have we said this whole time, Evan, before even the temperature was raised

02:01on Monday with Neely's comments and Louis Gross's comments, right?

02:07Whenever this deal was going to get announced, and this is when we were expecting it to eventually

02:11reach the finish line.

02:12I don't know if we're at 99%, oh, he's going to sign that contract now, it's a little bit

02:17more open-ended.

02:18But when you look at where exactly this was a few weeks ago, even back then, we were like,

02:26I have no idea where this contract is going to be in terms of the term, the payout, because

02:30there's so many variables.

02:32It's such a fascinating one with a guy that's an RFA who has great numbers, is coming off

02:37a great playoff run, his underlying numbers are great.

02:41All signs point to a guy who is going to be a top 10, top 5 franchise goalie.

02:47But when you look at the overall service time, the reps, the fact that he was part of an

02:55unprecedented goalie rotation, there's a lot of unprecedented things in terms of what

02:59his usage was, how the Bruins handled the goalie rotation last couple of years that

03:04makes what his value is, the comparables, the contract, even past incidents in terms

03:11of the arbitration, those kinds of things.

03:15It makes it fascinating.

03:16There's so many things that go into it that I think at this point, if a deal is done,

03:20I feel like we're in agreement that it's probably going to be an eight-year deal.

03:24Again, nothing surprises me at this point, because there's just so much beyond just a

03:29standard RFA contract where it's either, all right, a bridge deal, or you give up some

03:35of that for the security and all those things.

03:37Usually, RFA contracts, you drag on a little bit.

03:40For every William Nylander, there's a lot that are a lot less dramatic, I would say.

03:47It's one thing for a guy like Nylander, who was already a proven top six, top line player

03:52when he was having that contract impasse with Lewis Gross as his agent.

03:57But when it's a goalie who's never really been a number one, but the numbers are great,

04:02but it's the goalie market, and that's such a tough thing to gauge anyway, it makes it

04:06fascinating in terms of just what are the factors at play here, what both sides are

04:11looking for, what Swayman's looking for in terms of resetting the market and all those

04:17things that it does make it fascinating when all is said and done.

04:20Again, documentary, a book, it's something where, yeah.

04:26That'd be incredible.

04:28We get the rights to the book.

04:29There is a lot that can be drawn from this, and you look at where exactly the goalie market

04:33is going with guys like Chester can do, Jay Gottinger, all these players.

04:40Maybe it is just a sign of a shift in terms of how goalies are perceived and how they're

04:45valued moving forward.

04:46Maybe it's Swayman who's the first one in that is setting the tone here, even if it

04:52leads to a pretty contentious contract negotiation up to this point.

04:57That's been the thing, is that this has been contentious as heck.

05:01I think we're recording this Wednesday, so it's two days from the debacle that was Monday.

05:09Where's your confidence level right now in Swayman playing for the Bruins again?

05:15I mean, if you asked me this on Sunday, I would say 99%.

05:20If you asked me after the press conference on Monday, I would say 98% because I'm like,

05:26all right, well, this seems like it's an ultimatum finish line.

05:29Let's get this shit done.

05:31After Louis Gross' statement, after Elliott Friedman noting on Monday that Swayman is

05:36considering a trade, I'm going to give 60%.

05:40I'm going to say 60% that he's still here.

05:43Again, I think it all comes down to Swayman and whether or not he can move on from this.

05:52This is a guy that has ascended from a pretty unheralded overlooked fourth round pick into

05:59one of the best young bright goalies in the entire league.

06:02It's off of a chip on his shoulder, having a very long memory, and having that internal

06:08drive that I think has fueled him every step of the way.

06:10It's a good thing for your number one goalie to have is that confidence, that ability to

06:16process things, draw motivation from it.

06:19But as we saw with the arbitration hearing, that is still something that resonates pretty

06:25strongly with him.

06:26He's mentioned it multiple times before.

06:29How does that change when you have these comments from Nealey?

06:32We can get into the semantics of what exactly the offer was.

06:37Was it $64 million?

06:38Was it $62.8 million, whatever the number that's been reported?

06:44But for Swayman, if you sign that deal knowing that you've had this back and forth through

06:49the media, that there's some hurt feelings, some bad blood, there's the perception of

06:55the fan base, which every player has to deal with that wherever they go.

07:00But in a place like Boston, where goalies are put to a high standard, where you sign

07:07that contract comes the expectations of, it's one thing to be the young goalie on a

07:13rookie contract or a bridge deal that establishes himself as a future number one likable guy,

07:21great goalie, all those things.

07:22If you're making $8 million, $8.5 million, the standard's a little bit higher.

07:27And that's not to say that Swayman wouldn't want to be here because he doesn't want that

07:31pressure.

07:32This is a guy that embraces that.

07:33But in terms of the back and forth between the Bruins, the business side of things, if

07:39that bridge has been burned, and he wants to move on and get a clean start, a fresh

07:45start somewhere else, that is very troubling, right?

07:48Because that is something that I've seen on social media.

07:52People are like, ah, just trade him.

07:54Screw it.

07:55Which, one, we'll dive into this, but the goalie market is already very tough to gauge,

08:02especially at this time of the year.

08:03The Bruins aren't going to just give him away.

08:06And regardless of what a return could be, it doesn't equate to, I think, a 25-year-old

08:12goalie that, again, you can dispute how much he's worth right now in terms of where he

08:18is at his career.

08:19But there's been no signs in terms of his high danger save percentage, his progression

08:24year after year, what he did in the playoffs against two high-powered teams in Toronto

08:28and Florida.

08:29We haven't seen anything beyond the workload that raises a concern of, ah, this guy doesn't

08:36have the means of being a top-five goalie.

08:38If you signed an eight-year deal, I think you have to be pretty happy with what you

08:42have in this guy and where he could be even a year from now.

08:45But that being said, you just look at where exactly Swayman is.

08:48If he's looking to move on, it'd be devastating for this team, because I don't care what the

08:52return is.

08:53It doesn't help out this team right now that is built to win with Jeremy Swayman in net.

08:59No, I think if you trade Swayman, there's like a 95% chance you're the loser of that

09:02trade.

09:03Unless, again, unless this was like for a dry-cidal like you said, I mean, it wouldn't

09:08be for dry-cidal, but for that kind of player, that situation, you know, for a, you know,

09:14top-five pick, like even that is not guaranteed.

09:17I mean, we, Adam Pellerin came up to us at Warrior the other day and said, I heard the

09:21James Hagen's thing is already, you know, already.

09:24Ah, I forgot people actually listen to our podcasts.

09:28But, you know, even then, like, I think that's, it's still not guaranteed.

09:33Confidence level-wise, after Monday, I left that press conference.

09:39One of the thoughts I had was, the Swayman side is not going to stay quiet.

09:45They weren't quiet in the summer.

09:48They're going to say something.

09:49So my confidence level was more like 90%.

09:52But I would say my confidence level is like 65, which is right around here, which, by

09:56the way, is not good either.

09:57Like 65 is not, considering we were both like 100%, you know, a couple of weeks ago.

10:02Now it's down to 60 and 65%.

10:04That's not great.

10:06And I'm not going to try to put a positive spin on any of this.

10:08Because, I mean, again, like, you know, I think you read the same story I did, that

10:12Monday night story from, I think it was Elliott Friedman, who did the whole thing about Swayman,

10:18and the trade, and we'll get into the likelihood of that.

10:23Once you start bringing up the idea of getting dealt, that changes a lot of things.

10:29And, you know, you see a Bleacher Report, not that it means anything, but like a Bleacher

10:33Report being like, seven trade destinations for Jeremy Swayman.

10:38And I know what you want to say, but let's not say it.

10:42I do think, you know, you look at the teams that could trade for him.

10:47They are low-end.

10:49They are not good.

10:50It's Columbus.

10:51It's Anaheim.

10:53It's, you know, Utah.

10:54It's those teams.

10:56So again, like, you're probably getting either high-end prospects, high-end draft picks,

11:02which again, I like the idea of like, if it's number one overall pick, but if it ends up

11:07being like the fifth pick, like, you know, that's a franchise goalie you're talking about.

11:13And you're right.

11:13Like, this is why you and I both were very much on the bandwagon of eight years for this

11:17contract.

11:18If you could lock him up, because there are no negative signs.

11:22The only sign is the workload thing.

11:23And it's a legit thing.

11:24I mean, you know, we have not seen him without a tandem, but I also think every underlying

11:30number is good.

11:30The eye test, he passes that, like the personality.

11:34He has that mentally tough personality that works to be a really high-end goalie.

11:39And he has that chip on his shoulder.

11:40You mentioned it.

11:41This isn't a guy, like he went to Maine.

11:43It's not like he was this highly recruited kid coming out of U18, U16 hockey.

11:50Even at those ages, he was sort of pushed against.

11:53So he has that chip on his shoulder.

11:57And again, we'll get into trades in a second.

11:58I kind of got off track there.

12:00I get so excited with the prospect trades, but I still think a deal gets done.

12:07But again, there's some things it's hard to look past.

12:10And I said this on Bruins Beat, like, is that relationship with the front office the

12:15same?

12:15You know, are you going to sign eight years to a team that just said those things about

12:22you publicly?

12:24I don't know.

12:25Like, and again, if you also hit on this, like, it sounds like the contract offer was

12:30like 62.5.

12:32So like the Louis Grosz side would be correct in that, like, we were not offered the 64.

12:37Although I think Elliott Friedman came out and said the most recent offer was eight by

12:41eight.

12:41Eight by eight.

12:42Yeah.

12:43But if it wasn't prior to that, like, that's a $1.5 million little mishap there by Cam

12:48Neely of just of not nailing that.

12:51And again, 62.5 doesn't have the same ring to it that 64 does.

12:55You know, 62 and a half million reasons doesn't hit the same.

13:02All of us at the press conference, like trying to do the math of what eight by 62.5

13:07would be like a long pause of all of us being trying to do.

13:10Again, we were all in this business, Evan, because we're not, we weren't good at math

13:14in elementary school.

13:15So we were not.

13:17I like the tweet that was like the Bruins offered the Swayman six times six and nearly

13:22like, like messed it up and thought it was like that meant 64 million.

13:26That would be horrifying.

13:27That would scare the hell out of me as it would everybody else.

13:32I just, to me, like, it's hard to get a read on the situation because both sides are saying

13:36such different things.

13:39But yeah, to me, I put this at like 65% of him, of him playing for the Bruins again,

13:44which is scary.

13:45I'm not like, we don't fear monger on this.

13:48We don't typically overreact.

13:51But I, you know, I think there's a legit chance and I want to get into the trade stuff.

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15:38So a trade.

15:38I think you and I are both in agreement that this is the worst case scenario.

15:41You do not want to trade Jeremy Swayman.

15:44He's the franchise goalie.

15:45He has every sign that he's going to be that.

15:47But, you know, you and I said all along, like, you know, if it hits worst case scenario,

15:50you got to consider these things.

15:52I, I keep thinking like Monday was the low Monday was rock bottom.

15:58I don't know if you can get worse than that, especially this early.

16:02Like if it's October 2nd, they continuously say they have until December 1st.

16:07So it's under two months for it.

16:09To me, that felt like rock bottom.

16:13In terms of a trade, though, like where's your head at with that?

16:16I mean, well, it's so tough because you have to find a team that listen, there's a lot

16:22of teams out there that would love a 25 year old goalie coming off of a 933, say, percentage

16:28in the playoffs who has gotten better and better every single year.

16:31A lot of teams would like that.

16:33There's not a lot of teams out there who, one, have the mix of picks and prospects and

16:39legitimate NHL talent that would entice the Bruins to move a guy who, again, is 25, a

16:45goalie, and also has two years of team control.

16:49Also, it's tough to find a team that not only has all those assets available, but also one

16:54that has the money to take on whatever Swayman's contract is going to be, right?

16:58Like it's you.

16:59He wants initially wanted nine and a half, and now he's down to sort of like eight point

17:03five.

17:04But that's going to be an expensive contract for anybody.

17:06Yeah.

17:06So if you're looking at like teams that have like nine million dollars left, nine million

17:10in cap space, it's again, as you said, it's teams like the Shocks who already got Askaroff.

17:15So you think they'd probably be out of the equation.

17:19You got like Columbus, you know, these other Anaheim.

17:23But again, these are teams are they still going to give up like an unprotected first

17:27or multiple picks for that?

17:29Like, listen, if you if you have to bite the bullet in the unit with James Higgins, maybe

17:33that's something you deal with.

17:34Right.

17:35Like we've already gone through this before.

17:36But, you know, is it a team like Utah that is in a new market?

17:41It's clear the ownership there wants to make a few splashes.

17:44They added quite a bit to maybe not be a top five worst team in the NHL.

17:50Like they've got good pieces there.

17:51If you trade him to Utah and it's again, I'm just football here with this early into

17:57it.

17:57But here it comes.

17:58Here it comes.

18:00Yeah, but no, no, I was going to say Keller first because I always mention Clayton Keller.

18:04But like if it's Utah's first and one of their goalies like the Jamelco, one of these other

18:10guys don't Michelli, one of these like regular NHLers, maybe that's something that gets done

18:19like that one is probably the most realistic one.

18:21I'd love Clayton Keller, but I don't see Utah also trading one of their few style players

18:27their first year in just to get swimming, even if it would balance the money out a little

18:31bit.

18:33But that's a team that could make sense in terms of they've got NHL assets.

18:37They've got a guy in Josh Stone who has what, nine points in his first 11 games could be

18:42a legit top six player.

18:44Michelli already is one of the probably more unsung younger NHL wings out there as well.

18:50But that one could conceivably make sense.

18:53But again, it comes down to it.

18:54That's probably the one that would make sense beyond just a young team or rebuilding team

18:59throwing you future first round picks and seeing what you get out of it.

19:02But it all once again comes to the fact, Evan, that the Bruins don't want to trade Jeremy

19:06Swayman.

19:07They want to keep him here.

19:08So like they will be asking for an absurd amount to pry him out of Boston, where again,

19:14he doesn't really have a lot of leverage right now other than asking for a trade.

19:17The Bruins don't have to grant that.

19:19They could have him sit on the sidelines for a year, not make any money, have to go

19:23to Europe for a year or two if it gets to that point.

19:25So it all comes back to, yeah, people will be like, ah, let's trade him to Utah.

19:30Maybe Josh Stone will score 25 goals his first year here.

19:33All these things.

19:34Like, sure.

19:35But I think the fact that people look at this decor, which is on paper, it's great.

19:41You look at Bob Isenza and what he's done that people think that, you know, Corporate

19:45Solo is also going to have a 920, say, percentage or anything like that.

19:49People forget, like last year, the Bruins had a pretty good decor in terms of personnel.

19:54And they were, I think, 22nd in the league in high danger chances given up.

19:58I remember we did all this when they signed Corporate Solo.

20:01And like, it's not automatic that he's going to be amazing this year.

20:03Yeah.

20:04Last year, like the Bruins have a layered, structured zone defense.

20:07They've got personnel.

20:08It's great.

20:09They've got a great goalie coach with a great track record.

20:11Last year, they were pretty weak in terms of limiting high danger chances.

20:15And they were routinely bailed out by having Swayman and Allmark in net.

20:19Swayman was, I think, fourth in the NHL last year in expected goals saved.

20:23So at 18.4.

20:25So not to dive too deep into the stats.

20:28He was so good.

20:28He prevented 18 goals, which over when you look at how thin the margins are in an NHL

20:34game is a difference from quite a few wins and losses.

20:36And Allmark was seventh.

20:38So you take out two top 10 guys in expected goals and barring a complete 180 or a complete

20:44shift.

20:44And that's not to say that the Bruins can't be a top 10 team in high danger prevention

20:49with Elias Lindholm up front and Zdorov and, you know, a stronger decor and all that stuff.

20:55But it shouldn't be an automatic for Bruins fans ready to send Swayman packing that,

21:00oh, just roll Corporate Solo.

21:01And who cares?

21:03Like, we'll be fine.

21:03Like, you feel a lot better, I think, if you have this really stingy decor, this good

21:09zone defense and an elite young goalie that's going to keep getting better as your last

21:13line of defense, which is why, again, all these trade, you know, halls that we've mentioned

21:20intriguing, but none are, I think, better than having Swayman as kind of the guy that

21:24anchors what should be the strength of your team, which is its defense and goaltending.

21:28And again, it's not like you have any big goalie prospects in the pipeline.

21:32It's not like you have the next guy.

21:33I mean, getting a getting a really good young goalie is is so hard.

21:40Getting a good goalie in general.

21:41I mean, you see these these guys at 30, you know, Jacob Markstrom going to the New Jersey

21:45Devils like you have to do it through free agency if you want to do that.

21:51I mean, I guess there is also the possibility of dealing Swayman for another NHL star who

21:56makes same caliber money.

21:58But again, like, do you want to go trade Jeremy Swayman of the Carolina Hurricanes?

22:02Is that what you want to do?

22:03Like, that's a really bad idea.

22:06So that's why, again, like the trade thing, it's it would have to be one of those bottom

22:12five teams.

22:13It would have to be a team like Columbus or Anaheim or, you know, Utah and Utah might

22:20be above the bottom five.

22:22But that's what it would probably have to be.

22:24I mean, this is a guy that is going to, you know, most likely be in this league for a

22:28very long time and be really good.

22:31So you don't want to have to play against that all the time.

22:34So to me, like, that's why it's so, so imperative that they come to some sort of agreement soon,

22:42because it's getting ridiculous.

22:45And, you know, the idea of having to deal him and again, like I this can't be like if

22:50they were to trade him, it cannot be for a low end first round pick, a middle six forward

22:57in the NHL and like a defenseman prospect.

23:00It can't.

23:01It can't.

23:01You cannot do that.

23:03That cannot be how it goes.

23:06You've got to get something.

23:08You've got to get some legitimate pieces back because this is a franchise goalie that you're

23:13talking about.

23:16But yeah, I still think they signed him.

23:19I do.

23:19And it's I'm not fully confident in saying that, but I do err more on that than I think

23:26that they're going to end up dealing him.

23:28But yeah, I'm going to go eight by I'm going to go eight by eight point four.

23:31If a deal is done, that's what it's going to end up being.

23:34You think you're going to end up moving up that much?

23:36Yeah.

23:38It's interesting because, I mean, again, they started, you know, according to reports,

23:41I think Frank Cervalli had it.

23:43Six point five was initially where the Bruins were, and then they moved to seven point eight

23:48and Swayman's camp, I think, was at nine point five and then moved to eight point.

23:52No, they were nine point.

23:53They were nine point five.

23:54They moved to eight point five, right?

23:56This is all these numbers.

23:57It's like, you know, I was told there would be no math.

24:00Exactly.

24:01So again, what's the next thing?

24:03Is it eight point two?

24:04Is that where they meet in the middle?

24:05Like same as his deal?

24:08Maybe.

24:09Maybe.

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26:11So a little piece of Bruins goaltending news dropped on Wednesday.

26:14The Bruins claimed Yuri Patera from Vancouver.

26:17Bruins and the Canucks are like the same team at this point.

26:19Like, they're just grabbing each other's guys, signing, everything.

26:22I mean, it's incredible.

26:25Yuri Patera, 25 year old goalie, would need to go through waivers if he goes down to Providence.

26:31Has a little bit of NHL experience.

26:34Makes you wonder, are they fully confident in Brandon Bussey?

26:38Is this Bussey's sort of competition, so to speak?

26:42Yeah, I mean, I think with the way the waivers work, right,

26:46where if you did send him down to Providence,

26:48it would be a situation where Vancouver could just claim him again,

26:51which would be very funny if this guy gets claimed back by Vancouver.

26:55But if you're opening that scenario, then it does seem like, at least for right now,

27:01with two preseason games left, not a whole lot of runway here,

27:05but maybe they want to see what a guy like Patera can provide this team.

27:09Again, eight games played with Vegas over two seasons.

27:13Numbers are OK, but 25 years old.

27:16If they're either not bowled over by what they've seen from Bussey so far,

27:21I think he was pretty solid on Thursday against Philly.

27:24But again, 13 saves, 14 shots.

27:26So if there are concerns about Bussey going into this year as the backup,

27:32and a guy like Patera, who has NHL reps, similar age,

27:36and I think he is more of a guy that they can get more out of at the NHL level,

27:41at least to start this year, as they kind of sort out what it is with Swayman and all that,

27:45then, yeah, we'll see kind of how they handle these reps down the stretch here.

27:49Because again, whether it's you have two preseason games left,

27:52are you giving Corporate Solo another full game?

27:54The guy that's going to be starting on October 8th,

27:57is one game going to be split between, you know, Bussey and Patera?

28:03So it makes it very interesting.

28:05But I do think with that, the waiver implications that

28:08he could be a guy that could be fighting for that backup spot with Bussey.

28:12Yeah, I'm interested to see what they end up doing with that,

28:16you know, because again, I think Bussey's looked OK.

28:18I don't know if he's done enough to warrant being a full time backup yet.

28:24And he, by the way, would also need to clear waivers.

28:27To go to Providence.

28:28And I would imagine someone might claim him like he is a good,

28:33you know, young goalie and he has done well in the A.H.L.

28:36the last two years.

28:37If you're a team that's desperate for a backup, I think that that's a guy that

28:41could easily be that.

28:43I just don't know if the Bruins see that at the moment.

28:47Thursday's game, nice 4-1 win over the Flyers on home ice.

28:52Shout out to Ty Anderson, who gave me free tickets.

28:54Didn't have to be that nice.

28:56What a nice guy.

28:57Very nice.

28:58I much appreciated it.

29:00They were like amazing seats, like center ice.

29:03And I don't usually like attend games.

29:05If I go, I'm going to get credentialed, but free tickets are free tickets

29:10like center ice rope, like just right down the middle.

29:13I was like, oh, my God, this is amazing.

29:15It was terrific.

29:17Forwards, though, you know, Tyler Johnson, to me, stood out as someone who,

29:21you know, again, I think he needed that because they're, you know,

29:23not a lot hasn't really got on the score sheet much so far in the preseason, but

29:29gets a goal.

29:30Very noticeable.

29:31And I think he's a guy that, you know, I think I don't know if he's

29:36quite proven that he's going to be, you know, in those in any of those four lines

29:40on opening night.

29:41But I think just to have him, if they can end up signing him at some point, I think

29:44some of that hinders on what they have to give Jeremy Swaven.

29:47But having him, I just think in the lineup, kind of playing anywhere, I think is a good

29:52thing.

29:53Yeah.

29:53You look at that versatility, and I think he drove play on, you know, Jim Montgomery

29:57said after the game, that third line with him.

30:00Frederick Impreza was their best line.

30:02They didn't play all that much because the lines were kind of jumbled up with Marsh

30:06and only playing, I think, four minutes because he was sick, wasn't an aggravated

30:10injury or anything like that, just under the weather, which is good news for the

30:14Bruins, not great news for Martian during that game if he was going through it.

30:18But but so that third line only played like six minutes of five on five ice time.

30:23But over that stretch, outshot Philly five, nothing outscored them.

30:27Brezo gets the goal at the net front.

30:30Shocker there.

30:31He's looked good.

30:32Frederick, I think, has looked good.

30:34And Johnson, yeah, was impactful.

30:35And he's he's had a couple of these games where he's had these smart, subtle plays.

30:40He screened the goalie on Lysell's power play goal last week.

30:44He won a board battle leading to Murkulov's set up on Brezo's goal earlier this past

30:52week.

30:52So, you know, what you expect out of a guy who's 34, been in the league for a long time.

30:56But as you said, I don't know where exactly he maybe fits in the lineup on October 8th,

31:01especially with Potter in the mix, Max Jones, like a few of these other guys might have

31:06to slot out of the lineup.

31:07But for a guy that's 34, has won two cups, was productive on a bad Chicago team last

31:12year, can play down the middle, can play on the wing.

31:14I think there's a lot of value in having a guy like that be your, you know, your extra

31:18forward going into the regular season.

31:21I agree.

31:21And I wonder sort of, you know, how they view him because, again, Sweeney said on Monday,

31:26still kind of evaluating whether or not they want to keep him.

31:30Another forward I thought was interesting was Mark Castellic.

31:34He loved him some post whistle scrums.

31:38I think it might have been every time he was on the ice with the whistle blown, like even

31:41at the end of the game, he swung his stick at one of the Philadelphia Flyers skating

31:46by.

31:46It's probably Hathaway.

31:47Hathaway was hitting everyone.

31:48Oh, my God.

31:50Like I tweeted out, it is wild that Hathaway was a Bruin for a bit because for the majority

31:54of his career, he's kind of tormented the Bruins.

31:56I mean, he went to the Capitals.

31:58He had his run ins with the Flyers.

32:00He's had run ins.

32:01It is fast.

32:02He is.

32:03And it's funny because he's always laughing.

32:06He I he like it.

32:08And I like I think it was Castellic got thrown out of a face off for like jumping too early

32:13and Castellic can come off as a little bit of a hardo out there, like just the way he

32:16plays and Hathaway was dying laughing at it.

32:21Just it's funny.

32:22Like, I think it's hilarious.

32:23He's a mad lad.

32:25Yes, he is.

32:26And Castellic is just more of a more serious version of that on the ice.

32:31I'm curious to see what he ends up becoming with this team, because I feel like you go

32:34like 100 different ways.

32:36Yeah, I kind of like what, you know, I don't think you're expecting him to be a, you know,

32:41this guy that breaks through with like a 15 goal season or anything like that.

32:44No, no, no, no, no, no, not at all.

32:47But I think you look at the energy he brings, you know, he's taking some penalties, but

32:52he's more of been known during his brief career for drawing a lot of penalties.

32:57I think you look at kind of what the fourth line is with him.

33:00Be sure.

33:00I think Cole Kepke's had a really strong camp.

33:02So where exactly he falls into the equation be interesting.

33:06I would like to see Max Jones hopefully get into these last two preseason games.

33:10Because if you ask me before camp started, I'd say he was like the one lock on that fourth

33:15line of a guy that has been in the league for a while, has really high motor, could,

33:19you know, have a 15 goal season if all goes right for him.

33:23Like, I really like what Max Jones can bring to this team.

33:26But I do like that.

33:28I think the identity of trying to get on that fourth line between all four of those guys

33:31that are in the equation, if you add Kepke into it.

33:34So for Castle, yeah.

33:38From what people have said during auto, it's like, I don't don't expect him to be kind

33:41of a tough guy or a physical player.

33:44Guys get involved at all times.

33:45And it's not even like he's going out there causing havoc in terms of, like, trying to

33:49pick a fight.

33:49But he's always whatever.

33:51And you see those highlights from the rain, like, yes, dude, like, play.

33:54Yes, right.

33:55Like, I think for, like, Castle, like, it's, you know, the, you know, the whistle after

34:00the play and he's like at the net front, you know, trying to jam a puck or something

34:04like that.

34:04Like I read that you cause chaos that way is like, you know, pissing off other guys

34:09by following the play, following the puck, those kinds of things.

34:12And I think if he keeps on replicating that is, again, he's not going to be the standard

34:17offensive player, but Bruins fans are going to like him.

34:19If he plays with pace, plays with a lot of physicality, hounds, the puck is active on

34:24the four track.

34:24I think there's a lot to like of what that fourth line can provide this team this upcoming

34:28year.

34:29I agree.

34:30It is funny because you're right.

34:31It's him driving the net.

34:33It's him protecting his own net.

34:34It's not, you know, fifth guy in or anything or the headshots we've seen so far in the

34:40priest, which is crazy, by the way.

34:42I mean, it's like the only like going to be like the only intact.

34:45It's like them in the Florida Panthers, the only teams that haven't been like decimated

34:49by injuries.

34:50Yeah.

34:50The Bruins got their own shit going on with knock on wood.

34:53Yeah, knock on wood there.

34:54But like, look at like, but like, look at Ottawa.

34:56Good God.

34:58Stutzler could shock and she bought in the same game.

35:02Yikes.

35:02Absurd.

35:03Absurd.

35:05On defense, they ran the six D that we expect them to start the year with.

35:10They had Lindholm with McAvoy.

35:11They had low ride with Carlo.

35:13They had a door off down to that third pair with Andrew peak.

35:16My guess is they're going to shuffle these pairs a lot.

35:18I don't think that opening night is going to be where they keep it.

35:22Laura was fighting it a little bit on, on Thursday night or Tuesday.

35:26It was not his best game.

35:28Obviously, though, I mean, he's still one of the six.

35:30I mean, just his rushes and everything like that are outstanding.

35:34Do you mind the door off down there with peak?

35:36Or would you rather him be up with with McAvoy?

35:40I mean, I think it probably maximizes the overall value and balancing balances things out

35:46more once if the door is with McAvoy, because I really like Lindholm and Carlo together.

35:51I like Laura with peak.

35:53But that being said, I agree that this probably is going to be a pretty fluid

35:57situation with how they handle the decor, right?

36:00Like they all have guys that can move the puck pretty well.

36:02So it's not like you switch things around and like Laura with Carlo,

36:08you know, you still have a mobile puck moving guy with Brennan.

36:11Carlo is a door off, can move the puck pretty well for a big guy.

36:15If he's with a guy that's more of a stay at home guy, like Andrew,

36:19there's that one play.

36:19Obviously, Zdorov has the the setup on Brazos gold.

36:23There's another point where he had the puck.

36:24They're like a between the legs pass.

36:27And I was sitting next to Ty Anderson.

36:29I was like, if Claude Julien saw that, he would like, I'm going to send you to like the ECHL.

36:34Get ready.

36:35We're going back to that.

36:36You're going back to the USHL.

36:37You're going to do this.

36:38OK, yes, it's like if if Claude Julien saw that, he'd lose his mind.

36:42But a stronger game for Zdorov.

36:44And I think you saw some of that puck play.

36:46So they do have guys that even if maybe they're, you know, a guy like Mason Laurie isn't the same

36:52type of player as a Lindholm or isn't the same player as a Laurie, they all have that

36:57puck play ability that they can kind of change things on the fly if needed, which gives Montgomery

37:04some options.

37:04And I just think overall, the decor was really involved throughout that game.

37:10And it's what especially this team that's going to be, I think, searching for offense,

37:15having the defense being involved, being active, jumping up into the play.

37:19I think the decor accounted for 31 of 66 shot attempts.

37:22So keep that up.

37:24You look at how these teams like Carolina have been so reliant on, you know, shot first

37:29mentality from their decor.

37:31It didn't get more from that group this year.

37:34That bodes well as they kind of sort out where the pieces fall into place up front, especially

37:38earlier on this year.

37:39Agreed, agreed.

37:42Yeah, we've covered everything.

37:43We've covered everything.

37:44A lot of Swayman talk.

37:46And then we did some other stuff, too.

37:47I know people obviously don't want to just hear about Jeremy Swayman in that, but obviously

37:52we'll have you updated as it goes along.

37:55Connor, what can the people look forward to from you over at The Globe and Boston.com?

37:59Yeah, you can read all of my stuff over at Boston.com and The Boston Globe.

38:02We have covered every step of the way, whether it's Swayman drama, whether it's a lineup

38:08projections, whether it's preview content.

38:10We have a few stories coming up next couple of days, a couple of features, all that good

38:15stuff you can read over at The Globe and Boston.com.

38:18And if you want to follow me on Twitter, you can at Connor Ryan underscore 93.

38:22Go do all of that.

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