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Heated Argument Between Taimur Jhagra and Musadik Malik | Breaking News
Heated Argument Between Taimur Jhagra and Musadik Malik | Breaking News
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00:00Let's start with you. Today, the Chief Justice has said that he has no objection to the full court.
00:05His party, people outside say that it has become very controversial.
00:09Four judges are sitting, five judges are running the bench.
00:13Two people are sitting, the entire roster has been decided, everything has been done.
00:17The Chief Justice also says that the full court should sit and resolve it.
00:20This is such a big controversy of constitutional amendments. Why don't you do it?
00:25Why don't you request? Yes, let's have a full court.
00:29I will say it now. I will also say it in your program.
00:32What is this? They have not called us, nor have I presented myself.
00:35I have presented myself to you. You have said that if the Chief Justice is agreeable,
00:40then are we the judges? Those who are agreeable, they want to do it,
00:44you want them to do it, Mr. Jhagda is smiling.
00:47Even in your sentences, the judge comes. You have a lot of hearts.
00:50This is now your contribution towards the Chief Justice.
00:53What can I do in this?
00:56Who is close to whom, you know this better.
00:59I cannot comment on this.
01:02I will only say to you that the thing that is coming in front of you today,
01:06the procedures, the new procedures of the Supreme Court,
01:11on which all these matters were coming, there is a need for change in it.
01:15So what has been proven today?
01:17It has been proven that if you make a team of three,
01:20then one of the judges will say that this is not happening,
01:23then the entire work of the Supreme Court should be stopped.
01:26Until the three judges are not complete, the work of the Supreme Court will be stopped.
01:30So the best way is that one or two judges get up,
01:33and the work of the Supreme Court should be stopped.
01:36No, but there was a good advice of Ali Zafar.
01:38He said, you tell me, exactly the way you said it.
01:41He said, one judge has got up, nor is he accusing, nor is he doing anything,
01:45what should we do?
01:46So he said, it is not better that you first make these rules,
01:49make your own court rules in a day or two,
01:51and then file a case.
01:53But today, what Bilawal Bhutto has said,
01:5525th October, and this is the date on which Qazi Sahib retires.
01:58So it seems that his favourite judge is Justice Mansoor Ali Shah.
02:02Your favourite judge is Qazi Sahib.
02:05Now your key ally is Bilawal Bhutto.
02:07So, legitimate questions arise.
02:10No, I don't have any questions in this.
02:12I know Justice Mansoor Ali Shah very well.
02:17He was in our university college at that time,
02:24and at that time he was a very remarkable man.
02:27And you have seen, at that time he was well-known,
02:30and he is still well-known.
02:32So, the legal disputes that are taking place,
02:35or the disputes between judges,
02:38in which a judge says that judges should not be seen as politicians,
02:44we have not said that.
02:45If you say, I will tell you, it is not appropriate,
02:47but a respected judge,
02:49sitting in a bench, addressing the rest of the bench,
02:52said that judges should not be seen as politicians,
02:56or judges should not form a party.
02:58Politicians in black coats.
02:59Yes, there are many such things.
03:02We have not done this.
03:04None of these things have been done by any politician.
03:07This is what respected judges are addressing each other and saying.
03:12So, at the place where you decide on a method,
03:15and a judge gets up and leaves,
03:17and the Supreme Court gets paralyzed,
03:19at the place where a bench of 10 is formed,
03:21then it becomes of 8, then it becomes of 5,
03:23then it becomes of 3.5,
03:24then they say, let's work with this.
03:26That is, the benches that were being formed at that time were fine.
03:29Today, if someone is saying that three new judges are being completed,
03:33then should we stop the proceedings of the Supreme Court?
03:35This is wrong.
03:36Oh brother, I don't know, half is wrong,
03:38half is right,
03:39half is empty,
03:40half is full,
03:41which is empty,
03:42which is half,
03:43no one knows.
03:45That is, there is a mess.
03:47So, all those things…
03:49There is a mess.
03:50Everybody is…
03:51So, all those things that I am talking about,
03:55what are they pointing out?
03:57That is, one gentleman says…
04:00Pointing out that with such indecent haste,
04:04you want to bring such serious constitutional amendments.
04:08This is a direct issue.
04:09With such haste…
04:10Now, I will not say indecent to any decision,
04:13but…
04:14No, I am saying your haste is indecent.
04:16I am not saying your decision.
04:17You will say it to me,
04:18you have called me.
04:19Ask one question.
04:20No, no, Taimur is my friend.
04:22Don't ask, Taimur, you are my friend.
04:24When PMLN comes,
04:25why are there always issues in the Supreme Court?
04:27Okay, let's tell this.
04:29The Supreme Court had said the same thing about us.
04:32No, this is a little…
04:33No, that is why I am also…
04:34I am returning it to you.
04:36I am returning your question to you.
04:39On the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court,
04:43I don't know which Jamaat had written that…
04:47No, no, a Jamaat had not written,
04:49a reference had been sent by the President,
04:51after signing,
04:52that remove this Chief Justice.
04:54They removed him.
04:55They removed him.
04:56Why is this in the case of PMLN?
04:57That reference,
04:58in the Supreme Court,
04:59the Judicial Council,
05:00the decisions of the judges,
05:02the judges were making…
05:03Which judges?
05:04You tell me.
05:05Which judges did you refer to?
05:06Tell the people.
05:07Qazi Faiz Issa.
05:08You referred to Qazi Issa?
05:09Doesn't that mean…
05:10By the way, Mr. Musaddiq,
05:11you referred to the Biography…
05:12By the way, later you are saying
05:13that we didn't do it,
05:14that we did it.
05:15No, no, one second.
05:16Doesn't that mean
05:17that after that,
05:18Faiz Issa should not have a moral authority
05:19if his life is in danger?
05:20What is this, man?
05:21These people are so good.
05:22I mean,
05:23they don't remember Saqib Nisar.
05:25No, now you…
05:26No, I am also remembering him.
05:27One by one.
05:28No, I…
05:29No, not like this.
05:30You didn't answer a question.
05:31I didn't answer your question.
05:32Not like this.
05:33Not like this.
05:34Sir, you didn't answer his question.
05:35Now you are not answering his question.
05:36No, no, not like this.
05:37Let's finish.
05:38Let's finish.
05:39If you speak loudly,
05:40I will be quiet.
05:41If you speak loudly,
05:42I will be quiet.
05:43I will be quiet.
05:44No, your question.
05:45First,
05:46I will answer your question.
05:47Answer the question.
05:48Yes, I am answering.
05:49Sir, we have little time.
05:50We want to focus on few things.
05:51Do you have an answer?
05:52Do you have an answer?
05:53Yes, I have an answer.
05:54If you have an answer,
05:55then why do you ask me questions?
05:56I am asking you
05:57that the day
05:58you sat down
05:59and said Supreme Court…
06:00If you have an answer,
06:01why do you ask me questions?
06:02I am answering your question.
06:03I am not answering my question.
06:04I am answering.
06:05Let him answer.
06:06Let him answer.
06:07So, he will answer
06:08that if 5% has been slighted,
06:09then should they
06:10head the benches or not?
06:11Yes, answer.
06:12I will be quiet.
06:13You are here.
06:14You called me
06:15in his program.
06:16No, no, you say.
06:17You answer.
06:18You are not speaking
06:19in the middle of the program.
06:20You are not hearing me.
06:21You are not hearing me.
06:22No, it's amazing.
06:23I am answering your question.
06:24He wants to be an anchor.
06:25He works,
06:26wants to be a politician.
06:27Anchor.
06:28It's not working like this.
06:29It's not working like this.
06:30so this is not how it will work.
06:32Give us the answer.
06:34The answer is very simple.
06:36The day you sat in the Supreme Court
06:38and started the fight
06:40the day you appointed a judge
06:42to get Nawaz Sharif punished
06:44Supreme Court's judge
06:46Supreme Court's judge.
06:48Let him talk.
06:50Let him talk.
06:52Give us 20 seconds to finish the answer.
06:54The thing is
06:56whatever is happening in Judiciary
06:58means that the Constitution
07:00needs to be revised.
07:02And the law needs to be revised.
07:04There is only one judge.
07:06If you sit on one side
07:08and make a decision
07:10then Mr. Taimur raises his hand.
07:12Either you clap or he raises his hand.
07:14If there is a second decision
07:16then we clap or he raises his hand.
07:18This means that whatever is written
07:20in the Constitution
07:22the way it is being interpreted
07:24through judgments
07:26the same judgment
07:28is being interpreted
07:30by the Chief Justice.
07:32Now let me come here.