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00:00...to have opted, because he is a man who enters the university, that is, he has a normal or superior intellectual capacity.
00:06However, that which could have allowed him a social reinsertion,
00:11as a professional and working, he chooses to use a violent way of adapting to society.
00:19And my explanation is that in part, not all, in part it is due to this resentment,
00:24as if to say, well, I believed for so many years, the old Basque,
00:27in a Marxist-Leninist ideology, and it turns out that all this disappears, even if I stay.
00:32So he, as he had this knowledge, uses it, and he recognizes that he misuses it.
00:37In other words, it is not a good social reinsertion, not much less.
00:40And in that sense, he then steals, and steals, and becomes, in my opinion,
00:44more bourgeois than the bourgeois, let's say.
00:46That is, he begins to take advantage of this new society, which he still does not understand.
00:50But there is a very deep resentment, which even manifests it.
00:53And I believe that many young people have felt it,
00:55but fortunately, many of them have been able to readapt in another way.
01:00And we insist on that again.
01:02What does it depend on that a person can readapt well, and another cannot readapt well?
01:05Well, I think that, in this case, he himself says it very clearly.
01:09He says, the family, his father, his brothers, his family environment, is fundamental.
01:17In other words, because in any limited situation, when you live in a limited situation,
01:21such as exile or prison, in this case,
01:25the only thing that the human being has is those who love him well,
01:29and who have loved him since he was born,
01:31and who can support him, believe in him, and make the bet again.
01:36And in this sense, I believe that here we must almost pay homage to this family,
01:40because he never abandons it, and it is not forgiveness either.
01:46In other words, it is a family that treats him with total respect.
01:51And in that sense, it treats him well, let's say.
01:55That is why, in this case, I believe that there is a very good prognosis,
02:00an extraordinarily good prognosis, because he has a solidity.
02:04He, as a person, recognizes, he does not blame society.
02:09All the analysis that Giorgio has done very well,
02:12would have allowed anyone to say, well, society is to blame for my actions.
02:16And he does not do that. He assumes his responsibility.
02:20He assumes it entirely. He feels like a person capable of doing things in another way.
02:26And he assumes that he has been responsible and guilty,
02:29and that gives an extraordinarily important prognosis,
02:32because he has, in turn, a support environment to achieve it.
02:36Carlos, now, what has happened with his previous life?
02:39Because you point out in the report that he resigned from his former party,
02:44but what contact does he have with those who were his companions for so long?
02:49Well, I, according to the conversations we had during the making of this report,
02:56he definitely cuts roots, right?
02:59As he also raises within himself, he says that he makes a written and oral resignation,
03:04and he does not go back to those stages.
03:06Definitely, today, he has no contact.
03:09He had a situation that also marks the teacher very well,
03:14quite particular, because he returns to classes.
03:17He decides to abandon these criminal actions,
03:20and he returns a little to cement a world that perhaps belonged to him and that he could never realize.
03:26And at that moment, it is when he was reported.
03:30It is quite, I do not know, a rather meager fate that corresponds to him,
03:34because when he makes the decision to leave this criminal effect,
03:39he is arrested by the police.
03:42And that, obviously, has its share of fatalities.
03:44Finally, I think that is not the fault of anything,
03:46but without a doubt, it marks a milestone in his life.
03:49We must remember, Carlos, that he says that prison has assumed him
03:53as a stage that has allowed him to deepen himself,
03:57to find another option in front of life,
04:00and therefore, that fatality is not so much a fatality.
04:02I believe that deep down, each one, as he also reiterates,
04:06is responsible for their actions, and has caused that damage.
04:13He takes him to prison, and he assumes it with a person's dignity,
04:16and manages to reflect there, and you say it at the end of the report.
04:21It is what he has reflected there, his future.
04:25Not what was his past in criminal acts.
04:28Yes, and I allow myself, Cecilia, in any case, before the program ends,
04:32to point out that the analysis that we have done here
04:35allows us to understand the conduct and what he has based it on.
04:39Under no circumstances are we justifying it,
04:41because he unfortunately fell in a criminal act,
04:44and Andrés has reiterated that,
04:46and we are not at all trying to justify to the current criminals
04:51that, on the pretext of armed life,
04:54on the pretext of an ideology that today has already fallen,
04:57they are simply committing crimes, they are robbing, they are assaulting.
05:01That has nothing to do, let's say, with the analysis that we are doing
05:04to be able to understand the phenomena,
05:06of which he, in some way, as pointed out in the program, is a little atypical.
05:11But there are many other people who are not in that,
05:13and are, on the contrary, very convinced
05:15that this is the best way to operate in our society,
05:17which today has entered a very different stage.
05:19Well, we want to thank each of you
05:22who have been in this conversation tonight.
05:25And to you, to invite you here, as always,
05:28to continue reflecting at home
05:30on those issues that have seemed important to you,
05:33that have been discussed here,
05:34both in the program and in this space of conversation.
05:37We want to invite you, next week,
05:39to share with us another story of Mea Culpa.
05:43Thank you very much and good night.
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