Mea culpa S1E7x9
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00:00One is the feeling as if it had increased.
00:04That is, the feeling due to the effect of advertising,
00:07which is known among the media.
00:10That, indeed, there is a feeling as if it had increased.
00:13But in terms of real figures,
00:15the worst year in terms of incidence of this type of criminal activity
00:20is the year 85.
00:22However, today we have the social perception
00:25that there was an increase.
00:27In terms of real figures, it is not like that.
00:29Nor is Santiago the most dangerous city
00:31compared to Concepción and Viña del Mar, for example.
00:34How is that?
00:35Surprisingly, we have not found figures in hand
00:38that in terms of comparison to the number of inhabitants there are,
00:41Santiago is the third city within Chile.
00:44Andrés, what relationship is there
00:46between the phenomenon of poverty and crime?
00:51There is a generic statistical relationship for obvious reasons,
00:54because there are many poor people
00:56and it is often said that it is a cause.
00:58But it is not a cause.
00:59There is no such thing, let's say.
01:01And in this we have to be very precise.
01:04In a previous program,
01:06the program called La Platina,
01:09there is a recreation of a theft of a bicycle.
01:15In that program, what we were doing
01:17was to transmit the mea culpa of the authors of a horrendous crime.
01:23And they tried at one point in the process,
01:26and they raised it in the process,
01:28to point out that this had been triggered
01:30by the theft of a bicycle.
01:32And that's how they told you the story, finally.
01:34And that's how it appears told,
01:35because it is their story, let's say,
01:37and it is in the file.
01:39There are police records,
01:40even that there would have been something like that.
01:44However, the lawyer Pamela Pereira,
01:46who was the lawyer of the families of the two young people,
01:49with all due respect,
01:50has told us that this crime was never proven in the process.
01:54It was not established like that.
01:56It was an allegation that was left aside later.
02:00And it is good to know that those boys
02:02were never formally accused of theft in the process
02:06and were not convicted for that.
02:08First of all, because they were already dead,
02:10they could not be convicted,
02:11but also because there was not enough evidence
02:14to incriminate them for that.
02:17So, in that sense, we can apologize to the family
02:19if that has caused them harm,
02:21because we did not intend at any time
02:23to undermine the crime they had suffered,
02:26let alone explain it for a supposed theft
02:28that was never proven.
02:30You mean that in the program, for example,
02:32Oscar Ralph was a man who was born in a very humble home,
02:36who had no family,
02:37who looks very misadapted,
02:39with very few ties to society.
02:41That's the phenomenon.
02:42In the case of Ralph,
02:44it is obvious the depression,
02:46what is called the shadow of the tall buildings,
02:49which are the studios of MIT, of Harvard,
02:52of different American universities,
02:54which bring with them, let's say,
02:56the development of a sector of the city
02:58brings with it the depression of another,
03:00which remains as a shadow.
03:01And that's where he develops his life as a child
03:04and where, naturally, he was not lucky
03:07to go to the home of Christ,
03:08to go to the homes of minors, carabineros,
03:10he had none of those possibilities.
03:13But with this, you are breaking a myth,
03:15a very widespread belief,
03:17that poverty is really the factor of crime,
03:20in a hundred percent, let's say.
03:23In our research, we absolutely agree
03:26and fully agree with that too.
03:27That is, the factor of poverty
03:29is not at all the cause of the crime,
03:32as it is not correlated
03:34with the fact that it increases,
03:36at a certain moment, the unemployment,
03:38nor is it related to the crimes.
03:41Crimes are independent of these variables.
03:44It is not even an important factor?
03:46In the case of unemployment, no.
03:48In the case of poverty, yes.
03:50Carlos, there is another myth,
03:52another thing that we always know,
03:54but that we never, perhaps,
03:55deal with in depth.
03:57And it is this phrase
03:58that prison is the school of crime.
04:00You point it out in the program, don't you?
04:02As Ralph learns in prison
04:04how to perfect the technical tricks
04:06that he had in the beginning
04:08to be able to steal, for example.
04:10Who can tell us more in depth about this reality?
04:13Well, I think, I perceive that prisons
04:15are forming certain statuses,
04:17as well as in a common and ordinary population.
04:20So what you are proposing, Jorge,
04:22in terms of people looking to make
04:25or appear in the newspapers,
04:27that happens permanently inside the prison.
04:29Inside the prison, right?
04:31Do the criminals want to appear?
04:33For them, it is of vital importance
04:35to appear in the newspapers
04:37or consume a crime
04:39that prestiges it inside the population.
04:41I don't know what this phenomenon is,
04:43psychologically speaking,
04:45but it exists.
04:46And it also exists, logically,
04:48because of the situation of confinement
04:50in which they live,
04:51of a transmission of knowledge.
04:53The guy who enters by robbery
04:55learns to be a lighter,
04:56the guy who is a lighter
04:57learns to be a blacksmith.
04:58In other words,
04:59an experience is transmitted
05:00that later,
05:01in the absence of work,
05:02when they are outside,
05:04in conditional freedom,
05:06they are forced to use.
05:08I have in my hands
05:10these sheets,
05:11which are a legacy,
05:13that obey,
05:14excuse me,
05:15that obey exactly
05:16the certificate of antecedence
05:18of the character in question.
05:19So I wonder
05:20what possibilities these individuals have
05:23not to fall into the network of crime
05:26as the only alternative that presents itself.
05:29Interesting question,
05:30because I think
05:31our experts can talk about it, right?
05:33Of course, I think that
05:34in the case of Ralf,
05:36obviously,
05:37loneliness,
05:38isolation,
05:40the poverty of his education,
05:42which is...