Is the Pats' passing game lacking the big play? Thursday, could the Pats look to throw downfield more? When will it be time to see what Drake Maye can do?
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00:00Well, you would think that, and he said, as good as we run the football, we should have
00:06the ability to take advantage of play action.
00:09And that should really open some things up.
00:12But they can't even do that.
00:15So that's a major, like, problem when you're talking about your passing game.
00:18And also, Wiggy, you would know this far better than I, but week one, you're playing the Bengals.
00:23The Bengals haven't seen your offense because you really haven't shown anything in preseason.
00:28And it's the first year Van Pelt's calling the offense, so maybe they were on their heels
00:32a bit.
00:33But one week later, whatever non-existent passing game that was there was pretty much
00:37removed by the Seahawks.
00:39So I wonder if that's another reason you would go to Drake May, that you've maximized whatever
00:44you're going to get from Jacoby Brissett.
00:46It's time to see what Drake May can do.
00:48And it's clearly an inflection point in that organization.
00:51Like, we all agree that Mayo would play Drake May if it was up to him, correct?
00:56Yeah, I would.
00:58I mean, I thought he was leaning toward it.
01:01He could reference the press conference where he said, we've decided, I decided.
01:08I don't know, Curtis.
01:10Like a texter said, I got to find the text earlier.
01:14But when you look at Bryce Young and you look at Bo Nix, essentially, they were saying that
01:21Gerard Mayo looks like a genius for what he has done in delaying the arrival of Drake
01:29May when it comes to starting quarterback.
01:30I've also seen so many people bring up the fact that maybe he's saying it too much.
01:35He's overstating.
01:36We're behind Jacoby Brissett.
01:37We're behind Jacoby Brissett.
01:39It was just a year ago where we criticized Bill Belichick over and over again for not
01:44giving any type of support to the quarterback, not backing the quarterback.
01:48So it's like, what do you want?
01:49Do you want a coach that's going to say, we want, we're going to stick by this guy.
01:53This is our guy.
01:54Or do you want a guy that doesn't say anything at all?
01:57Wiggy, that's a 2-3-0 text.
02:00Mayo looks like a genius when you see the performance of Bryce Young, Caleb Williams,
02:04and Bo Nix.
02:05Can you guys show me the player that would have been great but was ruined?
02:11I mean...
02:12Don't do it.
02:13Don't.
02:14All right.
02:15I won't do it.
02:17If you can be mentally overtaken, overwhelmed, destroyed by the speed with which you start
02:27in the NFL, you are never going to be a great quarterback in the first place.
02:31Correct.
02:32So to me, it's just...
02:35It's a self-fulfilling prophecy that Elliott Wolfe performed this offseason in discussing
02:40the fact that you don't bring in top-line tackles, you don't bring in a guard, you don't
02:44augment an already weak offensive line, and then you say, I'd play Drake May if not for
02:49the offensive line.
02:51You were the one who created the roster.
02:53And we all saw Brissette have a little bit better...
02:56He was more elusive in the pocket on Sunday, but Drake May does that far better.
03:02He has a far better arm, and he is the future.
03:07The days of just sitting back and enjoying the five-yard outs to Hunter Henry are kind
03:11of long gone.
03:12Well, you complained last year.
03:13And last year, we complained about our passing offense.
03:18This year, and I said it, if Jacoby Brissette is to play all year long, you'll have a worse
03:28passing offense this year than you did last year.
03:32Yeah.
03:33And yeah, granted...
03:34He just doesn't see the...
03:35I think, doesn't see guys wide open.
03:40But you know...
03:41And maybe you can blame that on the line, like you brought that up earlier.
03:45Is he skittish because of the past protection?
03:49No, he's a backup.
03:50That's what he is.
03:53You're looking at a guy that is a backup quarterback and has been a backup his whole career.
03:59And when given the opportunity to start, you start to see, okay, this is why this guy's
04:03not a starting quarterback in the NFL consistently throughout the season.
04:08He's been on five teams in five years.
04:10If you're good at the most important position in sports, you don't play musical chairs like
04:13that.
04:14And if you go, okay, this guy's a good player to come in a game or two, maybe hold it together.
04:21Won't make too many bad decisions, but it's not going to do anything crazy.
04:26He's your guy.
04:27But if you're saying, we need this guy to be our quarterback and be our starter, then
04:32you're seeing what he is.
04:34But maybe for Gerard right now, he thinks he needs somebody that doesn't make mistakes.
04:40And he's worried that putting Drake out there right now with that O-line, it's going to
04:44lead to really bad mistakes.
04:45So then don't say we need to do more in our passing game.
04:49Say I'm cool with it.
04:50On the text line and in the Twitch chat, what about RG3?
04:55So somebody who started early and was-
04:57Yeah, but he was ruined due to injury, right?
04:59And he was good, his rookie year.
05:01He was awesome.
05:02He was really good.
05:03I think he was rookie of the year.
05:04He was.
05:05Yeah.
05:06And then he got hurt.
05:07Like when you say like ruined-
05:08We're not talking about some catastrophic injury.
05:10We're talking about-
05:11Like a Sam Darnall?
05:13Seeing ghosts, whatever.
05:147-8-1 texter says Daniel Jones.
05:17No, he just, it's just not that good.
05:19He was-
05:20Yeah, Daniel Jones just-
05:21And I don't even think-
05:22Was Daniel Jones-
05:23I don't even think Daniel Jones was the starter his rookie year.
05:25He came in-
05:26So, I mean, there's a guy-
05:27I mean, they gave him a big deal after one year.
05:30Right, but we're talking about as a rookie.
05:33I don't think Daniel Jones even started.
05:35That goes to more of Shyam and I's side of the fence, where a guy who sat and is not
05:41very good.
05:42Right?
05:43I think, I don't think Daniel Jones started as a rookie.
05:45I could be wrong, but-
05:46He played 13 games in 2019.
05:48Okay.
05:49All right.
05:50And he had 24 touchdowns, 12 picks.
05:52So-
05:53By far his best year.
05:54I mean, I was listening to Jones and Keefe yesterday on the way home from Gillette, and
05:59they made a great point about Jacoby Brissett, which is when you're looking at that veteran
06:05quarterback and the mistakes that you're expecting he is not going to make, and that's
06:14your reasoning when it comes to not starting Drake May, you did not get that when he took
06:19that costly sack on third down and didn't throw the ball away.
06:24Is this team a playoff team?
06:26No.
06:27I mean, Wiggy suggested that they could be.
06:30They have the formula for being one.
06:33Especially when you look at how the rest of the NFL has looked in two weeks.
06:36But great defense and ability to run the football.
06:38Is another word.
06:39I guess I'll rephrase it.
06:40If, if Drake May has a couple of stinkers where he throws three to four interceptions,
06:45he makes bad decisions, all of that, I believe the fan base will say growing pains, not he
06:51ruined the season.
06:52A hundred percent.
06:53Right.
06:54Because you have to ask yourself this question, right?
06:56When you look at, and we bring up the Bryce Young situation, is it better for the Carolina
07:02Panthers to know what Bryce Young is his second year after playing his whole rookie
07:08year.
07:09And you're starting to see, like, he hasn't made any strides.
07:11He doesn't look like he's getting any better.
07:13Even if the team's bad around them, you could still see some growth.
07:17It's better to know that early than wasting yet another season with Drake May next season.
07:23Right.
07:24Right.
07:25Because now what do you think is going to happen?
07:26They'll go.
07:27It probably similar to what we saw with Zach Wilson.
07:30He's just not the guy.
07:32We need to now find somebody to bring in at that position because you can't wait forever.
07:38If we waste a whole season, Drake May goes out there next season.
07:40We're all excited.
07:41And he stinks.
07:42Right.
07:43Then people are going to go, why didn't you play him as rookie?
07:46So we could have seen that maybe he's not ready or he's not going to be that guy.
07:52Right.
07:53And then maybe he has to go somewhere else and he figures it out over there or wherever
07:57it is, kind of the Sam Donald situation, the issue, the thing in the NFL, whether it's,
08:03and I want people to really listen and understand this, whether it's a coach or a quarterback,
08:08two most important positions, you need to know what you have relatively quickly.
08:14So you can make the decision to move on or the decision, okay, this is the guy that we
08:19want to build around.
08:21And that's three years.
08:23I mean, look at Matt Jones.
08:25What was it?
08:26Three years of Matt Jones.
08:27And we're like, yeah.
08:28All right.
08:29Time for this guy.
08:30Time for this guy to go.
08:31Okay.
08:32But after one season, he looked pretty good.
08:33He did.
08:34Right.
08:35There were people who said, oh, this is the guy.
08:36And then his second year kind of falls off a little bit.
08:39We blame the coach rightfully so because he hired somebody that has no qualifications.
08:44Then we give him another guy who has the qualifications his third year and he still kind of has some
08:50of those bad habits.
08:51But Greg, what was the one thing the organization did in advance of Mac's rookie season?
08:57They spent a quarter of a billion dollars in free agency and they built a team that
09:03was ready to help support and augment the guy they took at 15th overall.
09:08This past off season, they did the opposite.
09:10That's true.
09:11Why would you not invest around a guy that clearly is going to need support as a rookie
09:17quarterback in the NFL?
09:18Well, yeah.
09:19Then you wouldn't have the, at least maybe the O-line concern that you have when it comes
09:23to Drake May and when you're going to put him in there to get killed.
09:26Right.
09:27The only redeeming quality of this offense outside of Ramondre Stevenson right now is
09:30Hunter Henry.
09:31That was a part of that spending spree.
09:33Right.
09:35And I think people look at Hunter Henry as like a good, a good tight end.
09:39It's a good player.
09:41Somebody you want to have, but not somebody that's going to carry a team like, you know,
09:45he's not the Travis Kelsey or the Gronk that we seen where you go, okay, we got the best
09:50in the business.
09:51We have a solid tight end in Hunter Henry who is going to have a game like he had the
09:55other day, but that's not going to be something that we see all the time.
09:59What happened to Travis Kelsey, by the way?
10:02I told you, I told you this before the season started.
10:04They're keeping them in the garage.
10:05It's like a really nice car, Greg.
10:06You throw the car cover over him.
10:09He's just sitting in the garage.
10:10They'll use him sparingly here and there, but then come the playoff time, they'll let
10:13him out.
10:14I feel like his head isn't in the game.
10:17He's focused on something else.
10:18He's too busy writing love sonnets.
10:19It's called old age.
10:20Greg, I can't believe we've spent, I don't know what's this, five and a half hours on
10:27the show since Sunday without bringing up the biggest story of the weekend.
10:30What was that?
10:31Taylor Swift is a big Harrison Butker fan.
10:34Oh, come on.
10:35Did you see her jumping up and down?
10:38Applauding his kicks?
10:39Ooh, he says, stay in the kitchen.
10:42Travis spoke about Harrison when that whole thing first happened.
10:46He said he knows he's a good dad, a good husband.
10:48He doesn't agree with everything he says, but just women stay in the kitchen.
10:51She was wearing a Butker jersey if you saw it.
10:53She was not wearing a Butker jersey.
10:54She sure didn't.
10:55No, but it is the Taylor effect.
10:58He's gone downhill since he started Dayton Taylor as far as his production on the field.
11:02I told you.
11:03In the playoffs, he was awesome.
11:04Just like AJ.
11:05He's not even, he's in New York going to the openings of restaurants.
11:09He's not even practicing.
11:11Yeah, because they don't need him.
11:12It's time to get his beard back.
11:13They don't need him in the regular season.
11:14They need him in the playoffs.
11:15Why aren't you mad at Patrick Mahomes for going to New York?
11:16Because Patrick Mahomes is good.
11:17He plays and looks pretty good.
11:19Did you see this?
11:20Oh my God.
11:21TMZ, Taylor Swift and Mrs. Butker doing a cookbook.
11:24This is going to be unbelievable.
11:26Travis needs his beard back.
11:27That's what he needs.
11:28He did get a new haircut.
11:30Get back to when you had the hood pass.
11:35Now he's completely gone.
11:36Every time he has to bring up that Travis Kelsey is no longer sleeping with African-American
11:41women.
11:42Well, he's not.
11:43He's completely lost his mojo.
11:44It's like Tiger Woods when he was banging Denny's arm and IHOP waitresses.
11:48He was spectacular.
11:50You know, you lose your mojo when you get rid of the things that you're used to doing.
11:53Yeah, he hasn't lost his mojo.
11:54It's called load management.
11:55What is this, Austin Powers?
11:57Now he looks like a 70s porn star.
12:00It's a different vibe.
12:01It's Uncle Rico.
12:02And he's wearing a horrible, horrible Gucci Kangol hat that looks like just horrible.
12:10Trav, man, come on, come back and you'll be back to all pro.