Should the Patriots have gone for 2, for the win?
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00:00Curtis you didn't necessarily like that explanation from Gerard Mayo. No, I I just felt like such an unbelievable moment
00:07Let's see if we can win or lose it. You don't have the players on the field
00:11you're gonna risk more injury in another quarter of football and
00:15To me. I know they were out of timeouts, right?
00:18So they had called two timeouts on the drive of the Titans
00:21So they didn't have a time to sort of diagram something and it was kind of flying by the seat of their pants
00:26So it's not like they had they were first and goal at the one and they knew they were gonna inevitably score
00:31So they had a period of time where they could think up a couple, you know
00:34What their best two-point play was given the matchup, but it's just I don't think there's a soul in our listening audience
00:41That would be ripping Mayo if they went for two and lost
00:45I'm sure there would be it to me
00:47It was just a confusing
00:48Answer by him because he has been so forthcoming a bit too forthcoming when answering questions to so to say that's a great question
00:56I understand it, but I'm not gonna get into that right now. It's like well it the game just ended
01:01This is when you're gonna get into it
01:02There's of course you're gonna be asked about this and and and just be honest with what happened there, right?
01:08But he's coaching real football. We're sitting here wanting him. Well, I'm the coach Madden
01:12But wiki the Dan Campbell if that's if that's a lion Campbell style, but there's a bunch of coaches in that situation
01:20Let me ask knowing if they score they would die for two. Let me ask this question
01:24Would the majority of the coaches in that situation
01:28Say, let's kick the extra point. Let's see if we go to overtime. Let's see if we can win the coin toss
01:33We have a chance to win it there put ourselves in a better position
01:36That's a safe way. I think them but I think that's the majority of coaches. Yeah, I disagree
01:41I think more than 50% of the coaches would just go for two and win. Oh, so then why haven't we seen that before?
01:46Why don't we have seen it? We saw multiple times last year
01:48Why don't we see it more often than if it's 50% of the time you see plenty of games like that?
01:54We're there
01:54I mean, it's not a common ending that you score with no time on the clock to tie a game
01:58No, but you you have scored what let's call it
02:0430 seconds left in a game or something like that
02:06So you could go for two to win the game versus kicking the extra
02:10But 30 seconds is even different because if you kick it out of bounds and they get the ball to 30 and they have a couple
02:14Plays to get in the field goal range anyway, so it's not a guaranteed win
02:17no, no, but but I'm saying that is if you're we've seen games where a lot of teams are
02:23Playing for the overtime where it comes to that point whether it's a 30 seconds on the clock 15 seconds
02:30Whatever it is. My point is if that's something that you know when you get to an overtime such potential situation
02:36We would see more teams going for two to try to win football
02:40I think you have to look at the situation that the teams are in and I think the a
02:46Win or a loss here doesn't really matter much to the New England Patriots
02:51So I that's why when you said it this morning started the show Curtis
02:55I agree with you. Like why not go for it? Like I got the as I said earlier
03:00You know analytic big analytics guy here huge
03:03I think the odds are better that you get that two-point conversion that then you go and win in overtime
03:09I think more in your favor on that and Courtney in Courtney's point about what he said after the game
03:15I have a concern that it's not up to him, right?
03:18Yeah, that is really like which is such a backwards way, but there's no wait
03:22Then who would it who would be saying I don't know
03:24It's just I get that answered to me
03:26I felt the same exact way because he wants to get on the same page with whoever his idea or whoever's call it was
03:31But everybody's giving the same narrative. So there's a so there's a red phone up in the booth
03:36No, I think that van Pelt is the head coach of the offense
03:40Yeah, but I get that but there's a male wanted to go for two
03:44I think male would have the right to say all right
03:48Well, we'll ask him and we'll also say mate, but I think he's gonna say oh, no
03:52It's up to van of course not but but the issue with with what we're discussing is the absence of a timeout
03:57Yeah, the way in which Drake may had been running around in that backfield finally finding Stevenson for the touchdown
04:04Everybody to catch their breath right get settled get to the line and score from the three-yard line was probably difficult and
04:13My guess is van Pelt said to Gerard if it is a back-and-forth. I think we're gassed. Let's get to overtime
04:20Yeah, do you have an issue with him running through his timeouts there or yeah? No, I actually liked it
04:24I find that there's a lot of guys like just a different, you know much different game
04:27But in the AFC championship in Kansas City when the Patriots were going down in overtime to score and win the game
04:32I felt like Andy Reid could have called a couple timeouts to try and reset his defense a little bit
04:36Yeah, so I like what man did I thought the Titans coach was totally gutless
04:41Fourth and two taking a field goal when a touchdown wins the game. I was like does nobody want to win this thing?
04:46I was shocked
04:47All right. This is coach if he's still there shine his coach. Hey coach. Yes. I'm still here. What's up? Good morning
04:55Obviously, I love the show what you're talking about now is a more sexy question
04:59I want to say that up front whether to go for the win or overtime, but I do I'm begging you
05:05I really am I'm begging you to ask him the mindset in the first half at the end of the half with two minutes and
05:13Three timeouts you throw the ball to the left sideline twice to Bourne for nice gains
05:19By the way, I couldn't even believe they were passing. I thought they would take a knee
05:23Anyway, you get out of the shadow of your own goalpost
05:26You're out on about your 40 the second pass to Bourne was only nine yards. So you have second and one I
05:33Understand running up the middle and trying to make the first down
05:36You don't make it and then you literally watch the clock tick over a minute and ten seconds and you eventually
05:45Run the ball without a timeout still have three in the bank and get stuffed again and punt
05:50I don't understand you start out aggressive in your own end throwing and then you turtle up and let the clock run out
05:58I just need you to ask him what the thinking is there? Okay, we will know on second and one
06:04I take a shot in that situation. I take a shot then on third and one
06:08I you know, I run the football or maybe I have a quick pass or play action
06:12I use Drake Mays legs to kind of give us a run pass option and I'm
06:18Trying to score at that point it really didn't seem like they were trying to score because they went
06:25Coaches right. It was second and one they went run run and then it's like what was that all about?
06:30You know when you could obviously go after some points
06:33That's been an issue all season and Belichick has rightfully called it out with McAfee. The end of the half has been bizarre
06:41We noted it last week against the Jets
06:43It's just I I just don't think Alex van Pelt has a position that he should have and
06:49Gerard Mayo when when McVeigh went to the Rams and he was a young
06:54offensive minded coach who was there a little early they had Wade Phillips a
06:59brilliant defensive coach that took over the defense took it off his plate and he handled it and created a great defensive scheme the
07:06Patriots with Gerard Mayo a defensive coach a defensive player with Alex van Pelt and a rookie quarterback just feels like a bad mix
07:14Yeah
07:14I think that if they were gonna look back and hindsight being
07:172020 that they would have they should have and would have liked to add some sort of
07:23veteran
07:24you know
07:26Advisory somebody on the staff who had some years. I thought that was McAdoo McAdoo do
07:33Is he still around yeah, he's basically here for the mustache. It is an amazing thing
07:39But I just I hear cuz he's cheap. I mean, we're gonna be on well
07:42I think there's a good question to ask Mayo in that situation second and one are you saying to him?
07:48Hey, let's take a shot here. Are you completely stepping away and allow him the ability?
07:52He doesn't seem like he is though. I mean, I you know, I mean, but we wouldn't know like on the headset
07:56He said hey, let's take a shot at second and one here
07:59Let's try to get let's try to get out of this half with some points. This is Tom from Hall. Hey, Tom. Good morning
08:06Hey guys, how you doing?
08:08Two and six you you absolutely a hundred percent go for two in the win, especially after that play Drake made remember
08:15Our offense was running around the defense was running around too
08:19So both groups of gas who's gonna suck up and either make the stopper or win the game?
08:23I think that perhaps they weren't they weren't ready for it
08:29Because
08:31Percent they should have waited for two points. There's no doubt about it
08:35And hopefully he learns from this and now like I said, it's been six and two all day
08:39You go to all that two and six you go up in the wind. Yeah that I agree with Curtis
08:44I I think I'm just giving the other side of why they may be China's pointing out that a guy
08:49It let you're pointing out a difference and again Gerard Mayo's a rookie. It's his first season as a head coach
08:56So you make an allowance there, but he's talking about the mentality right of a guy like Dan Campbell, right?
09:02Versus a guy maybe like Gerard man, right, but Dan Campbell's always been aggressive, right? That's his way of course. Don't you want that?
09:08I yeah, you want it, but also sometimes it could come back to bite
09:13Yeah, but and he was criticized before it's like chicken or the egg when Dan Campbell was overly aggressive
09:19Yeah, the Lions weren't as successful. He was a punchline
09:21Yeah, and now that you have golf and you have a lot almost say right st. Brown you have it's a little bit easy
09:27It's a little bit easier to be I do think that right now if we were sitting here today
09:30And they had gone for two yesterday and didn't get it. We people would be criticizing Gerard Mayo for doing that as well
09:35So I like I'm not on I'm not on the side of Oh everybody
09:38Nobody would have been mad at Gerard Mayo if they went for two and didn't get it
09:41But don't you think Mayo could win the locker room by saying I just trusted our guys. They just had a great
09:45Yeah, if he comes out and says, you know
09:47Why did you go for two because I was confident that we could come away with it and I want to be aggressive and I
09:53Think we have the talent to do that. I don't think anybody has an issue with that. This this is Chuck Chuck. Good morning
10:01Good morning. Hey, good morning. Good morning guys. How we doing great
10:09Question I
10:11Drive to work every day. Listen you guys wiki. I remember you from East Boston
10:15My question is if he would have went for two
10:18Everyone would have criticized Gerard Mayo. This man has been criticized from day one. Okay, wiki
10:25I'll give you an example you play in the NFL for the Patriots, correct? Yeah
10:30So how much of what you learned in New England you could run it at at Brockton high
10:36You can't do it because it's two different levels. Yeah, I may have played for Bill Belichick
10:40Gerard Mayo knows football Robert Kraft did not want to pay for players. He did not want to pay for an office coordinator
10:47so now what you have is
10:49Alex van Pelt who's the first-year guy who may not know what he's doing and you have Gerard Mayo whose hands are tied because he
10:56Doesn't have the players. He doesn't have the personnel to do what he wants to do
11:00And it's just it's it's really it really hurts me because every day is Gerard Mayo can't do this
11:07They got guys in the NFL who are coaches who are analytical guys and have no idea about that football
11:15No idea about the analytics and these guys don't get much. Don't get his criticized
11:19You guys got Boston's got a cut this daggone narrative about this guy can't coach. He is handcuffed people
11:29Early on there was a lot of anger because people were more mad about Bill not being here than Gerard
11:34And I think there's a lot of people that are sort of wait-and-see
11:37But the Patriots are two and seven and have we gotten a single call in the last two weeks about wanting him fired
11:44If you look on the text line, there's a lot
11:48Accountability, I think after London, I think there were people exactly who were like, you know, what's going on here?
11:55That was the inflection point and I think that happened
11:57I think that I think they felt it here in the building
12:01Definitely because there were some things that started to be whispered about second, you know second thoughts during the summer
12:08But but Dard was wrong on that one. Like he's mostly wrong
12:11But the call is right though through the whole year. It's or since up into this point
12:1780% of
12:19The narrative is that males inexperienced Mayo can't do this Mayo can't do that
12:25Like that's been 80% of the narrative and granted
12:30Let you know, let's understand that I get the Jacksonville game and the soft comment
12:36But it's been prior to that. It was males doesn't have enough experience like that's anybody
12:42Anything anybody says is like, oh, he doesn't have enough experience
12:45He doesn't have and then my up my thing is like well every first-year coach that's hired
12:51Doesn't have experience being a head coach
12:53Like where's this whole like unless you're somebody who's coached in the NFL before when you're a first-year head coach
12:59Guess what? You don't have experience whether you were an offensive coordinator
13:03Somewhere or not because you didn't run a team
13:06Yeah
13:07and I think the fact that it's been so different than it was also led people to question the approach where you have a guy
13:13That was so successful for a generation and you have a new campaign a new coaching staff
13:19That's basically bragging that they're doing it 180 degrees from way. It was done Patriots fans
13:24I think a lot of cases rightly so we're like well, it wasn't that bad here
13:28They won a lot in that way. So I think that's been the case
13:31But if they went for two and failed, right my my guess I'm often wrong would have been Alex van Pelt critique
13:39More than Gerard Mayo if he did like a toss to Stevenson. Yeah, and he gets tripped up in the backfield
13:44I don't think people are ripping Mayo as much as they're ripping Alex
13:47But you think that that decision is made by Alex van Pelt and Alex van Pelt alone in the moment
13:53I didn't when I heard Gerard Mayo in the post game
13:56It may all I thought about was when I was bombed trying to figure out to get my story straight about where we got the
14:01empties from
14:02Like that says good question, but I'm not gonna talk about it, right?
14:06What else would you talk about?
14:08That's the only storyline