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Video Information: 30.08.22, Conversation, Greater Noida

Context:
¬ What is the solution to climate change?
¬ How can spirituality halt global warming?
¬ Is there no scientific way to address climate change?
¬ How does compassion connect to veganism?
¬ Why is veganism relevant to the modern world?
¬ What is the relation between veganism and climate change?
¬ How could veganism change the world?


Music Credits: Milind Date
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Transcript
00:00Being born with some impurities that need to be corrected.
00:07Lots of, only impurities are born.
00:10Could another way of looking at this be that a baby when they're born, they're still not
00:16corrupted by the impurities of the present world, they may have some from their past reincarnations.
00:22Who brought impurities in the present world, did they rain from the skies?
00:28You would say the elders, but the elders were babies one day.
00:32Where did they get the impurities from?
00:34First of all, spirituality is about realizing that all nonsense emanates from the DNA.
00:41You are born with nonsense, that body identification is the fundamental problem and the root cause
00:47of all violence.
00:48It's the body that is violent because it is the body that is coming from the jungle.
00:52We share this body with the chimpanzees, with the dinosaurs, with the lions, tigers.
00:58Every single animal in the jungle is this body and therefore all the problems of the
01:04jungle are contained in this body.
01:06It's just that jungle does not have the weaponry, the ammunition to execute all the nonsense
01:15that arises as some kind of impulse from this body.
01:20So they only have impulses, but they cannot execute those impulses.
01:24When we have impulses, we have missiles to execute them because we have intellect.
01:31Animals only have animalistic prakriti, but they don't have missiles and guns and computers.
01:37We are animals with missiles and guns and computers.
01:40So we are far more dangerous.
01:44Isn't that a guilt-ridden way to think of life?
01:47That's a fateful way.
01:48If that gives us guilt, fine.
01:50To me that gives us responsibility and to me that gives us a glimmer of hope.
01:56I might be born an animal, but the potential to die free of the animal is possible.
02:02In some sense then veganism is about gaining freedom from the animal.
02:06It's not about protecting the animal.
02:09When you say you are dependent on animal products, what are you doing?
02:13You are dependent on somebody.
02:15So veganism is about gaining freedom from the animal, the outer animal and the inner animal.
02:21Presently because we are dependent on the inner animal, so we are dependent on the outer animal as well.
02:29When you are truly spiritual, then you are not dependent on the outer or the inner animal.
02:38You are free of both and you can't be free of just one of them.
02:42When there will be freedom, freedom will have both the sides.
02:49So how do you, I personally believe in the antinatalist philosophy and I do not intend
02:57to procreate myself, although I would consider perhaps adopting children at some point.
03:03But how do you, what kind of a world do you see with majority of people being antinatals
03:11and then do you see the human civilization coming to an end at some point in the future?
03:17How, what is the future?
03:18Listen, what I'll say, if not considered rightly, will appear either vile or hilarious.
03:31There is no great virtue in the human civilization continuing, first thing.
03:37If the child is born suffering, why do you want to bring more child to the world to make
03:44them suffer?
03:45What is the point in ensuring that the cycle continues?
03:51What is the great need or the great virtue?
03:55And what is the great catastrophe if it all, you know, second thing, not everybody is born
04:04to be self-realized, right?
04:09The average kind of people will always outnumber the ones who understand.
04:15So the human race will continue, don't worry.
04:18There will be always enough people who will never understand what I am saying and therefore
04:23they will keep on bearing two kids, four kids, twenty kids.
04:27So don't worry, human race is not at the risk of annihilation.
04:29I will never be totally understood and the race will continue.
04:34So then eventually do you think the average minds will overpopulate as compared to the
04:42reasonable or the self-realized ones?
04:43Do you think that has not been happening till this date?
04:45It has.
04:46The ones who understand lose interest in procreation, therefore who is left to procreate?
04:53All the ones who do not understand and that has been happening since the beginning of
04:58time.
04:59So it's not a new thing that will happen.
05:01See if I might ask a question here, you know, James Lovelock said, if the earth improves
05:08as a result of human presence, we will flourish.
05:12If it does not, we will perish.
05:15So he is imagining a system in which the earth improves as a result of human presence.
05:23In that case, aren't human beings then an asset to the planet?
05:26No, that's the improvement that we can bring to the earth.
05:31The improvement is that human beings have taken the status of earth down from 0 to minus 200.
05:39So what do you do when you want to improve from a point of minus 200?
05:43You bring yourself up to 0.
05:45So let us reduce to 0.
05:49The improvement that we can bring to earth cannot be positive or affirmative.
05:55It can only be reductive.
06:02There were these twin towers in Noida, right?
06:06And they were wrongly made or something.
06:07I do not know the nuances of the case.
06:10How did you improve the situation in that locality?
06:15By bringing them down.
06:16That's the improvement we can bring about.
06:18Dismiss, demolish, finish it off.
06:23It sounds so very nihilistic, no?
06:28It does.
06:29It does.
06:30It does.
06:31So then, please remember, it is only when you clear away the nonsense that there is
06:38some room, some space created for something beautiful or clean.
06:44You know what the situation of this studio was just yesterday night?
06:50You won't want to look at that picture.
06:53It was all cluttered and chaotic and in the worst shape possible.
06:58Then it was brought into this form because you were arriving.
07:04What did we do in the first place?
07:07We cleared away the nonsense.
07:12That's what this earth today needs.
07:14It has too much nonsense.
07:15First of all that needs to be annihilated.
07:18We need Shiva for pralaya.
07:20That's the fundamental requirement and after that we can have a great beginning.
07:24So do not think that zero means zero.
07:28Zero means beauty.
07:29The entire philosophy of Buddha is Shunyavada.
07:33Let it all be reduced to zero and then you will see something magnificently beautiful.
07:38What that thing would be, we do not know and we cannot even predict.
07:42But what we know is that what we have currently is extremely nonsensical.
07:49So let's do what we must and clear this away.
07:53What is your advice for a self-realized individual to reconcile with this clutter and still be
07:58able to live a relatively happy and content life?
08:03To begin with, create a little clean space from where you can operate.
08:09That little clean space then becomes your war room and then you operate from there and
08:14you want to somehow expand that space of cleanliness.
08:22And so that is the purpose, no, just do what you can.
08:27What else, what else, what else?
08:33This is Arjuna, that is being called to battle.
08:39We do not know whether anything would come out of it, but this is the minimum and the
08:43maximum we can do.
08:44So we do that.
08:48If you start thinking of the results, it hardly energizes you.
08:55If you want to lose, then start thinking of the results.
08:59Because common sense and normal extrapolation tells you that the battle is just too impossible
09:09to win, but the battle is just too essential to be ignored.
09:20So you fight it, impossible to win and impossible to ignore.
09:27What do you do?
09:28You fight it without caring for the results.
09:30What else can you do?

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