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00:00:00This is a new generation.

00:00:06May I introduce Jerry Jones.

00:00:09I just want to say this, there is no substitute for winning.

00:00:14It's not what I want to do necessarily, it's what I have to do.

00:00:22This kind of opportunity doesn't come open ever again, and I've got to do it.

00:00:29Nothing's going to change, Cowboy fans.

00:00:32Get ready to watch the Dallas Cowboys be the best in the NFL.

00:00:42We must win.

00:00:45We will win.

00:00:48Win is the name of the game.

00:00:58We will win.

00:01:01We will win.

00:01:04We will win.

00:01:07We will win.

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00:01:26It's amazing being so close to campus when you're obviously a legend.

00:01:31Well, I came here 53 years ago in January 1966.

00:01:36I've only coached at two schools and universities.

00:01:40That was the University of Arkansas where I played.

00:01:42I was a freshman in 1955 and finished my career there.

00:01:46Went in service, came back out of the service, thought I was going to go to law school.

00:01:49Frank Perwals taught me into coaching.

00:01:52I ended up coaching seven years at Arkansas, and I was in Fayetteville for 11.

00:01:57Jerry Jones happened to be on that team, and Jimmy Johnson were on that team.

00:02:01Actually, I consider Jimmy and Jerry good friends.

00:02:04I really do.

00:02:05I've known them since they were teenagers.

00:02:08Jimmy was a short little nose guard, but he was a linebacker.

00:02:13Actually, he had great quickness, and they played him a nose guard, and he was disruptive.

00:02:17So he ended up being a player.

00:02:19McCawn again gives ground, but the defense breaks through.

00:02:22Williams and Jim Johnson chase him to the Aggie 12 for a loss of 13.

00:02:26Jerry was a guy that was playing fullback and ended up, we got better talent at fullback,

00:02:31so he'd be going to the offensive line the next year.

00:02:33The Porkers stay on the ground to midfield.

00:02:35Then Marshall comes up with one of the year's exciting runs.

00:02:39He swings to his left, follows Brazel and Jerry Jones,

00:02:42and weaves his way 33 yards down to the Baylor 16 before Whitten brings him down.

00:02:49They went undefeated, and they won about 22 games in a row,

00:02:52and they beat Nebraska in the Cotton Bowl for national championship.

00:02:57Jerry and I, we, of course, played together at Arkansas.

00:03:00He was on offense, I was on defense.

00:03:02Our names ended in J, and so they roomed us together on all the away trips.

00:03:09So we were roommates, and we knew each other through thick and thin all the way back at Arkansas.

00:03:16He was always finagling doing this.

00:03:19He always had a lot of irons in the fire, which he does now.

00:03:23And you knew all the way back at Arkansas,

00:03:27this guy's going to be super successful at whatever he does.

00:03:31Jimmy was on staff here at Oklahoma.

00:03:33A lot of people don't know that.

00:03:34Jimmy was four years a coach here with me at Oklahoma.

00:03:37We were assistants together, became head coach.

00:03:39He was my defensive line coach, and then he went back to Arkansas

00:03:42to be the defensive coordinator there.

00:03:44But we were all together in the 70s.

00:03:46I'm going to show you the way football should be played.

00:03:49Jackton, I'm ready. Give me your best.

00:03:50Enjoy the thrill of real college football action.

00:03:53I thought you came to play football.

00:03:55With the VCR College Bowl game.

00:03:57Oh, yeah, you call that your best?

00:03:58Punch. Go for a field goal.

00:04:00Score the winning touchdown.

00:04:01That's two out of three.

00:04:02Well, that just proves you don't have to be a football great to play great football.

00:04:07I know all those guys, and you know what they were like.

00:04:10It was a good time.

00:04:12We won a lot of football games, won a lot of national championships,

00:04:15and we won more games than anyone in the 70s here at Oklahoma.

00:04:20We won two national championships back-to-back, won 38 games in a row.

00:04:24People don't remember this. It's been so long ago.

00:04:27We won more football games in the 70s than any other school in college football.

00:04:30That is the greatest Oklahoma performance there's ever been.

00:04:34There is the best player in America.

00:04:39I knew Jerry when I was the head coach here.

00:04:41Jerry was here as a oil man.

00:04:44He came here to make his fortune in the early 70s,

00:04:47so I spent a lot of time with Jerry when he was here in Oklahoma

00:04:51and making that run he made here.

00:04:54And so he got started here,

00:04:57and so I've been kind of close to Jerry all through his life.

00:05:00We socialized here, and then I got that call in 1994,

00:05:04and he said, you want to coach the Cowboys?

00:05:07I said, I didn't know the damn job was open.

00:05:09He said, let's fix it, man.

00:05:11I said, well, you call me when the job's open.

00:05:13We'll talk then.

00:05:19From ABC, this is the Cowboys.

00:05:23From ABC, this is World News Tonight with Peter Jennings.

00:05:27Sitting in tonight, Forrest Sawyer.

00:05:29I remember being in Phoenix when the news came down.

00:05:33In Dallas tonight, after all the speculation,

00:05:35it came down to what the parties say is a mutually agreed-upon divorce.

00:05:39It was a news channel in Phoenix.

00:05:42I had a buddy of mine call me and said,

00:05:44hey, turn the news on.

00:05:47Jimmy Johnson just got fired.

00:05:50And I was like, what are you talking about?

00:05:52Pretty unusual to replace the coach who led your team

00:05:55to two back-to-back Super Bowl championships,

00:05:58but that's exactly what Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones did today.

00:06:02Jimmy Johnson is out as Dallas head coach.

00:06:06There was no understanding and no rhyme or reason

00:06:09to why we lost our head coach.

00:06:13And that was the shocking part.

00:06:15It happened so fast.

00:06:17It happened so fast.

00:06:19No one knew that there was any rift or anything else.

00:06:23It's like you get up and you look on TV one day

00:06:26and Coach Johnson announces that he's not going to be the Cowboys coach anymore.

00:06:29We have mutually decided that I would no longer be

00:06:34the head football coach with the Dallas Cowboys.

00:06:38How does this happen?

00:06:40I think everybody was asking that.

00:06:42Those of us who followed it from day one,

00:06:45from that Saturday night when Jerry and Jimmy took over

00:06:50and Tom's fired, who followed it from day one,

00:06:53we all, Jerry's going to be in charge of socks and jocks.

00:06:56I intend to know if, have an understanding of the cleat situation.

00:07:03I intend to have an understanding of the player situation.

00:07:06I intend to have an understanding of jocks and socks.

00:07:09He did a hell of a job on socks and jocks.

00:07:11But as they started to win the Super Bowl,

00:07:13Jerry wanted more football credit.

00:07:16Jimmy, you ain't getting no more football credit or any football credit

00:07:21because you made me the guy in charge of football.

00:07:25Had like a nine-yard average on punt returns.

00:07:29Really, Martin, the player, right, from Boston College.

00:07:33Had a good year but should be really a good receiver in our offense.

00:07:38I've never seen a coach either get fired or just flat out

00:07:42I mean, as young as Jimmy was, flat out just say, I'm done.

00:07:46I just didn't see the same drive that I had a few years ago.

00:07:52And in order for me to be the best that I can be, I've got to have that drive.

00:07:57I'm a little bit of a gypsy.

00:07:59I kind of get bored and I want to do other things.

00:08:02And so I really kind of had the feeling that I was going to be leaving Dallas.

00:08:07And actually bought a home there and here in the Florida Keys.

00:08:12A lot of people talk Super Bowls, but only a few can walk

00:08:16and know that they can possibly get to Super Bowls.

00:08:19And we were one of the few teams that had that opportunity every year

00:08:23at that time to get to a Super Bowl.

00:08:25So when we lost Jimmy, we were like, wow, what impact would this have?

00:08:29We knew we had the players, but he left.

00:08:34The question is, what now, America?

00:08:36I'm canceling my season tickets. That's it.

00:08:39The aftershocks of today's action may rattle the club for years to come.

00:08:43I'm watching the news go down, and then I see Michael Irvin, of all people,

00:08:51throwing a garbage can in our locker room.

00:08:53I'm in Phoenix.

00:08:54Stay out. All y'all, stay your asses out.

00:09:00Locker room off limits. Locker room off limits.

00:09:04Off limits. I'm claiming them off limits.

00:09:06Everybody out.

00:09:08Hey, if you're not, Boston, are you clear?

00:09:10Let's go. Out.

00:09:11I'm bringing locker room off limits.

00:09:12Let's go.

00:09:20I was just so upset that Jimmy was not there.

00:09:24All along, when this thing was brewing, I never thought it would get to this.

00:09:28You never thought it could happen?

00:09:29I never.

00:09:30There's no way you're getting rid of a guy that comes off winning back-to-back Super Bowls.

00:09:34There's no way that's going to happen, and then it did.

00:09:38I don't think anybody in this room or anybody watching

00:09:43truly can understand until you walk in our shoes.

00:09:47For whatever the reason, whether a dissatisfaction of what you see in the mirror,

00:09:54from my perspective or what I work with myself, this thing was built on positives.

00:09:59This thing was built on a vision. You had to be positive back in 1989.

00:10:04We were dealing out front and being positive.

00:10:08And when a couple of negatives start creeping in, then that's a concern.

00:10:12There's such a misconception about Jerry's relationship, my relationship,

00:10:19back and forth and how we operated.

00:10:22Anything big that ever happened, we always communicated back and forth.

00:10:27We always talked about it.

00:10:29And I don't know that we ever had a situation where he said no or I said no.

00:10:36We were always on the same page.

00:10:38So there's no blame.

00:10:40It's just a matter of we've gone through a little transition here.

00:10:43And maybe it's a big transition, but hey, the Dallas Cowboys will be right on top,

00:10:52and so there's no blame.

00:10:55You've really missed the point here if you don't know that we're friends.

00:10:59Jerry, have you had any contact with any possible successors

00:11:02or authorized anyone this week on behalf of the team?

00:11:05I don't want to comment today about any of the issues regarding a future coach.

00:11:11Good.

00:11:21Do you want to get back into coaching though?

00:11:23No, I'll never coach a college game again.

00:11:25It's no fun anymore.

00:11:26What about the pros? Are you interested in that at all?

00:11:28I might be interested, but there are only a few good jobs.

00:11:30When the time came for Jerry to hire Jimmy's replacement,

00:11:34it all happened almost simultaneously.

00:11:37I think in most cases, Jimmy Johnson being fired would have been

00:11:42the story of the day in the Dallas Morning News the next day,

00:11:46but the fact that we already knew Switzer was his replacement

00:11:49made it even a bigger story.

00:11:51As hard as it was to believe that Jerry Jones would replace

00:11:54a two-time Super Bowl winning coach,

00:11:56the thought that he would replace him with Barry Switzer,

00:11:59who had been on his couch in Norman, Oklahoma,

00:12:03as a retired god of college football was just so completely unthinkable.

00:12:08My initial reaction on hearing Switzer,

00:12:11there's no way Jerry's not going to do that.

00:12:13There's no way he does that.

00:12:15He did it.

00:12:18And Barry, he's on his couch in Norman,

00:12:23minding his own business.

00:12:26Life was great for Switzer, and here comes Jerry.

00:12:30I got the call from Lacell, who was on the staff,

00:12:33and he says, you know, there's not much love in Camelot down here.

00:12:36In fact, everything's going fine with the two back-to-back Super Bowls,

00:12:39but it might blow up.

00:12:41And sure enough, it did.

00:12:43March 28th is when I got the call, 1994, from Jerry.

00:12:46He said, come to Dallas.

00:12:54I remember driving down there.

00:13:01I had bought a brand-new Mercedes.

00:13:03I was driving down in my new car, and I was by myself.

00:13:09I was single at the time.

00:13:14I had to call my kids, obviously, and let them know.

00:13:20I knew I was stepping into a tough situation. I really was.

00:13:24I've got probably the toughest job anyone ever had in pro football.

00:13:31I'm inheriting a great football team,

00:13:34but I don't know what their gyms will be.

00:13:39I was a stranger.

00:13:46It's a tough situation to walk into.

00:13:53Five years ago, 1989,

00:13:59basically I said, we will win.

00:14:03We must win, and winning is the name of the game.

00:14:07Nothing has changed in five years,

00:14:10as far as that goal for our organization.

00:14:14The coach of the Dallas Cowboys,

00:14:17one of the main creators of the Dallas Cowboys,

00:14:20one of the main criteria is that we can work together.

00:14:24The opportunity to have available to us

00:14:29a coach with the outstanding record

00:14:32and with the skills that would be so unique

00:14:35to the Dallas Cowboys

00:14:38going back to a third straight Super Bowl or being successful

00:14:41were pretty obvious.

00:14:44I feel very confident that the continuity can be kept in place

00:14:47and be motivated with the new head coach

00:14:50of the Dallas Cowboys, Barry Switzer.

00:14:53Let me introduce you to him.

00:14:56Thank you, Jerry.

00:14:59I was here at 7.30 this morning.

00:15:02I know a lot of you are here and you're tired and worn out all day long

00:15:05waiting for this press conference.

00:15:08I told Jerry I was ready to go at 8.30, but he wasn't, so it's Jerry's fault.

00:15:11You can blame him again. He's the bad guy.

00:15:14You just never knew what you were going to get.

00:15:17We talked before every time he went into a press conference

00:15:20and sometimes he'd throw right back out there what we talked about

00:15:23and sometimes it was like there was never a discussion at all.

00:15:26Jerry's the bad guy here.

00:15:29Right?

00:15:32Jimmy's the good guy. I read the poll in the paper today.

00:15:35To Switzer's credit, he came in like,

00:15:38let's have a party.

00:15:42That's all I can say to you. I'm ready to go.

00:15:45I want to start tomorrow.

00:15:48It was surreal.

00:15:51It just wasn't what you expect from an NFL head coach.

00:15:54I hope I can do as good a job as Jimmy Johnson.

00:15:57That's what you're hoping and that's damn sure what you're hoping.

00:16:00That's why I'm here.

00:16:03I think even Jerry was a little taken aback by Barry's behavior

00:16:06in that press conference.

00:16:09We got a job to do and we're going to do it, baby!

00:16:12Is that what he said?

00:16:15We got a job to do and we're going to do it, baby?

00:16:18Stand here and shake hands just real quick, okay?

00:16:27Troy Aikman, we're going to bring him back in about five minutes.

00:16:30How fun is this for you?

00:16:33I love it. It's great.

00:16:36The magnitude of it hasn't really hit me yet.

00:16:39Sometimes I think about my kids.

00:16:42I wanted to see my son play football this fall.

00:16:45Doug's up at Joplin, Missouri and I wanted to go to all his games

00:16:48and think, that's not possible now.

00:16:51I won't get to see him play, I'll just have to see him on film

00:16:54and I really regret that.

00:16:57That's been something I've really looked forward to.

00:17:00To get something, you've got to give up something.

00:17:04It wasn't just me.

00:17:07It was basically everybody in the media.

00:17:10There may have been a couple of guys that were going,

00:17:13this is going to be good, this is going to be fine.

00:17:16Not many, though.

00:17:19Because everybody in the local media was going, what the hell, Jerry?

00:17:22But Aikman was even telling players.

00:17:25Other players were living.

00:17:28The Jimmy thing, Jimmy's gone. It's a total screw up.

00:17:32I think that they'll respond to him.

00:17:35I anticipate us being able to go into next season

00:17:38feeling comfortable with what we're trying to do

00:17:41and feeling good with the direction that we're headed.

00:17:44The first player I wanted to talk to was Troy because my relationship with him,

00:17:47my feeling about him, and I know his feeling about me,

00:17:50Barry Switzer, as a football coach.

00:17:53I offered him a scholarship the first time I ever saw Troy.

00:17:56I walked up to him and said, I want you to start thinking about playing

00:17:59football. First time I ever saw him throw a football.

00:18:02He was special. He started for me as a sophomore.

00:18:05Jerome Brown breaks his leg

00:18:08and Troy sits on the sidelines the rest of the year

00:18:11and watch Jamel Holloway, a kid from Los Angeles,

00:18:14takes us all the way to a national championship.

00:18:17Troy, obviously, I saw the hurt and disappointment in his eyes

00:18:20on the sidelines and the crutches. He's my quarterback.

00:18:23He's my starter. He could have done the same thing.

00:18:27But what happens is that the young man comes in

00:18:30in the spring and says, Coach, I'm thinking about transferring.

00:18:33I knew this was going to happen. I knew sooner or later I'd have to deal with this.

00:18:36And I understood it more as a father-to-son type of relationship

00:18:40than a coach-to-player type of relationship

00:18:43because I wanted nothing best because this is a class young man.

00:18:46I said, Troy, I understand. Let's find out where you want to go.

00:18:49He said, Oh, these will be the schools. You pick three of them.

00:18:52And I called all the coaches. So the rest is history.

00:18:56I can remember talking to Troy before Barry came here,

00:19:05and he actually wasn't as opposed to the idea as he ultimately proved to be.

00:19:11He said, Hey, Barry was a very competitive guy when I was at OU

00:19:15and very successful and driven.

00:19:18I think the thing that caused him to lose Troy's support,

00:19:21which was important if you're the coach of the Cowboys,

00:19:24was the fact that he was following Jimmy

00:19:27and the fact that these players had only one doing it a certain way.

00:19:31They only experienced success together and doing it Jimmy's way.

00:19:35Coach Johnson was Troy's guy.

00:19:38It's unfortunate. There's no question about that.

00:19:40And I think that all the players would like to have seen Jimmy stay.

00:19:44There were some guys on the team that thought certain players

00:19:47needed that Coach Johnson style of coaching.

00:19:50And I understand why some of those guys felt that way.

00:19:53Those guys that went 1-15 and saw maybe some lack of commitment,

00:19:57lack of discipline, they didn't want to slide back into that mold.

00:20:03Troy came off that 1-15 team, and he knew and saw guys

00:20:08who had bad habits or what that could do to a team.

00:20:11So I think some of Troy's concern was making sure that this team

00:20:15is mature enough to handle a coach like Barry Switzer.

00:20:21It creates a lot of skepticism from players like Troy Aikman

00:20:25who are perfectionists.

00:20:27I've never talked to Troy about it,

00:20:29and I'm not sure if he believed that or not.

00:20:32If that was the best thing for a young team,

00:20:36is this going to be good or not?

00:20:39So I think that was more of a concern than anything.

00:20:47You've got the best football job in America.

00:20:49You've got to feel good that Barry Switzer landed on his feet

00:20:52doing what he wants to do.

00:20:55Well, maybe you're going to start making me feel good.

00:20:57Hell, I hadn't thought about that.

00:20:59I hadn't been smart enough to think about that.

00:21:01Any more questions about his first day at the job?

00:21:03Anything else?

00:21:04First day I'm there, in walks Jerry.

00:21:07I'm going to interrupt you.

00:21:08Just make a step in here.

00:21:10Okay.

00:21:11Excuse me.

00:21:13It's not an emergency, but an important one.

00:21:16Jerry walks in, closes the door, and there's just the two of us,

00:21:20and he comes over and pulls the chair up.

00:21:22I said, sit down, I want to talk to you.

00:21:23I sat down on the chair, and he says, you know that contract I gave you

00:21:26yesterday we signed last night?

00:21:28He says, I want you to tear it up.

00:21:31I looked at him, I said, why the hell do you want me to do that for?

00:21:33He said, because I'm going to give you a better one.

00:21:35You're going to give me a better one?

00:21:36He says, yeah, I'm going to give you a better one.

00:21:38Tear it up?

00:21:39I said, well, you send me the contract, and I'll send it to my agent,

00:21:41my lawyer, and let him look at it

00:21:43and let him determine whether it's better or not.

00:21:45And he got up, and he said, I'll do that.

00:21:47Then he walked toward the door, and I looked at him, and I said,

00:21:50Jerry, what the hell are you doing this morning?

00:21:53He says, you know, I got up this morning,

00:21:59looked at myself in the mirror,

00:22:03and I liked myself for the first time in a long time.

00:22:09It says volumes to you

00:22:12about what a guy that lived with a couple of years

00:22:14being felt like a guy that owns a team, part of the team,

00:22:17had contributed to the team, but never felt a part of the team.

00:22:23Where were we?

00:22:33Anything else?

00:22:34All right.

00:22:35Thanks a lot, guys.

00:22:36See you all.

00:22:37You all have a good weekend.

00:22:38You too, sir.

00:22:39Coach, welcome to your new home.

00:22:42It's good to be here, Jerry, and thank you for that opportunity.

00:22:44This is what I look forward to.

00:22:45Really, it's not all the attention and all that's not important to me.

00:22:51This is going to be the most exciting,

00:22:53this is going to be the most challenging camp that we've ever been a part of,

00:22:58and not just because of various switchers coaching the Cowboys

00:23:03instead of Jimmy Johnson,

00:23:05but also because we are in pursuit of a third straight Super Bowl.

00:23:11One thing that does not change, the media crush.

00:23:14Reporters and photographers literally falling down to get at the Cowboys.

00:23:18I am ready today.

00:23:19I'm finally getting around to do what I want to do,

00:23:22and I'll be glad to get rid of you guys,

00:23:24where I can go do it and say I'm going to do one interview a day,

00:23:27and that's it, and let me go coach.

00:23:29Let me go do what I want to do.

00:23:31Some veterans wanted to establish after day one of practice

00:23:35that the coaching issue is no longer news.

00:23:39I hope that here within the next few days

00:23:41we quit having to be asked those questions

00:23:44because he is the head coach, and we accept that.

00:23:47All I ask the players to do is give me a chance.

00:23:49I know they're all upset about what happened.

00:23:51I don't blame them, but I didn't have anything to do with the divorce.

00:23:55I didn't have a damn thing to do with it.

00:23:56I was just asked to come in here and keep this thing in the middle of the road,

00:23:59and they had all worked together and accomplished a lot together,

00:24:02and I was the guy coming in there to be their head coach, their boss.

00:24:06What Barry made very clear to us when he came in was,

00:24:09look, my coaching style has always been to hire the best people around me.

00:24:14Some guys want credit for everything,

00:24:16and they want to sell the world that it's all them.

00:24:18He said, I never coached like that, even when I was at Oklahoma.

00:24:21I had great assistants that did great jobs developing players,

00:24:25and you guys had that in place here.

00:24:27So I'm not going to come in acting like it's all me,

00:24:30and whether or not we win or not is because of me.

00:24:33That's a lie, and he was honest.

00:24:35So I think a lot of guys appreciated that.

00:24:37That's one thing you got to admire about him.

00:24:39He's like, I'm not here to change you.

00:24:41I'm here to just try to keep the wheels on this thing

00:24:43and try to get us to another Super Bowl.

00:24:45He was one of the most humblest guys, most direct guys you'll ever meet.

00:24:50I chatted with Barry real briefly, came in the weight room,

00:24:54while I was working, I was in the middle of my workout.

00:24:57And we just chatted real briefly,

00:24:59and we're going to meet here tomorrow or the day after that.

00:25:02He just told me to come by the office when I get a time,

00:25:04and we'll go back, we'll sit down and chat.

00:25:06And all he did was promise me that he wasn't running the wishbone

00:25:10and I don't have to worry.

00:25:11So I'll chat with him tomorrow, guys, that's all I know.

00:25:13The office was still the same.

00:25:15So I just said, okay, I got to give the man a fair shot.

00:25:19We're not really changing the system, which he did comment on.

00:25:22So he said we ought to feel comfortable about that.

00:25:25The only thing that he has to do right now is basically learn the system.

00:25:28He's the one that's basically going through the major transaction.

00:25:31The only transaction we're going through is getting used to a new head coach

00:25:35opposed to Jimmy Johnson.

00:25:37I came in my rookie year in 1992, Jimmy Johnson was the head coach.

00:25:41And he had one style, go.

00:25:43Here we go, here we go, here we go.

00:25:46Sharp, now sharp.

00:25:48Like a well-oiled machine.

00:25:51Jimmy coached through fear.

00:25:53And bottom line.

00:25:5514, 13, 10 seconds to go.

00:25:58We're behind the Redskins, RFK.

00:26:00Got a little wind to the left, got to be concerned about it.

00:26:02Let's go, Lynn, focus in, can you make it?

00:26:05Everybody needs to be motivated, making a difference.

00:26:07If you're an 18-year-old college freshman

00:26:10or you're a 35-year-old business executive, you need to be motivated.

00:26:15And I think motivating professional players

00:26:18is as important as motivating college players.

00:26:21Barry came in, and it was totally a little bit more hands-off.

00:26:26The intimidation factor wasn't there.

00:26:28Jimmy was known to cut guys, you know, John Roper, on the spot.

00:26:32That wasn't Barry's style.

00:26:34I know so many great coaches that coach without fear,

00:26:38and they coach with a positive reinforcement attitude of encouragement.

00:26:42I'm going to tell you something.

00:26:43For four quarters, this football team dominated them.

00:26:46Dominated them, offensively and defensively, the whole ball game.

00:26:50I tell you what.

00:26:54Everybody and every coach gets a game ball.

00:26:57Yeah!

00:26:59You know, Barry's number one thing was keep everybody happy.

00:27:03Barry kind of pulled back a little bit

00:27:05and just kind of gave you a little more, allows you to be more professional.

00:27:10You're pro athletes, you're young men.

00:27:12They're at the highest maturity level, they're professionals,

00:27:15they're older, they're more responsible, they're adults.

00:27:18And I'm tired of coaching 150 kids.

00:27:21They're 17, 18 years old.

00:27:23That's what I did for 30 years.

00:27:25I look forward to this.

00:27:26Anyone who's ever coached on both levels will tell you,

00:27:29coaching professional level is so much easier

00:27:32in dealing with personnel and the people.

00:27:34I'm not out there to chew their ass out and create crises.

00:27:37There are going to be enough of them, and there are.

00:27:38I want to be an encouragement guy.

00:27:40I want to be a, hey, I want our players that love to come to practice.

00:27:44There's a lot of them.

00:27:45One, you just try to scare the hell out of them, yell at them,

00:27:47scream at them, and threaten them, and all that bull----.

00:27:50There's a lot of ways to win.

00:27:52There's no magic playbook.

00:27:55♪♪♪

00:28:05It's been great.

00:28:06I mean, we've all been having fun out there.

00:28:08Coach Switzer let us know exactly what he's expected from us,

00:28:11and we're going to try to give him that.

00:28:13As we came, only one position really changed, which was the head coach.

00:28:18This was Jimmy Johnson's coaching staff.

00:28:20This was Butch Davis, Dave Campbell, Joe Avezzano.

00:28:24The list goes on, all Jimmy coaches.

00:28:28It would be tough to come into a situation right now

00:28:31and go hire people, a staff, and put that together.

00:28:35Hell, yeah, I'll admit that to you.

00:28:37I would be right here with you guys right now.

00:28:39I would have told Rich and Brett there, hell, uh-uh, I ain't got time.

00:28:42Jimmy was always pressing.

00:28:44He was always pressing.

00:28:46He's under control. He's under control.

00:28:48Keep those heads up. Look at me. Look at me.

00:28:51Coach Switzer wasn't pressing as much, you know.

00:28:54He left that kind of to his coaches, and the coaches went, you know,

00:28:59they were used to Jimmy just on them as much as they were on us.

00:29:03He let the assistants coach.

00:29:05I don't think there's any doubt about that.

00:29:07Certainly, assistant coaches have to do a great job.

00:29:10And I'm not taking anything away from Bill Belichick.

00:29:12First of all, I've been in the game a long time, too, and around.

00:29:15I'm 82 years old. He's 60-something. He's a young kid to me.

00:29:19But I've been through it all and seen it,

00:29:21and I've known how all of them made it happen.

00:29:23But I promise you, it's assistant coaches and the players,

00:29:28the guys that prepare him to play, have to do it.

00:29:30What a head coach says to him, two minutes before a ball game,

00:29:33he's got a damn thing to do about what's going to happen on that field.

00:29:37The point I'm trying to make in all this is that

00:29:43Belichick doesn't call defensive players.

00:29:46He doesn't call offensive players.

00:29:48He's got assistant coaches doing that.

00:29:50Barry didn't bring those coaches in, so how can you win?

00:29:54And half those coaches, the Butch Davises of the world, the Dave Campos,

00:29:57they wanted the job.

00:29:59Start fast and leave everything on the field.

00:30:02I enjoy the excitement and the tremendous competitive situation

00:30:07of trying to be better than someone else or something else.

00:30:11If you're going to let Jimmy go, then I'm next up.

00:30:14I have two Super Bowl rings. I should be next up.

00:30:16Why go outside?

00:30:17And I just never thought that Barry ever, ever had a chance

00:30:21to have his fingerprint on this football team

00:30:25because I think he was set up for failure.

00:30:32Hello again, everybody. Welcome to the Barry Switzer Show.

00:30:35I'm Mike Ducey, along with the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys, Barry Switzer.

00:30:38The Barry Switzer Show was an interesting ride

00:30:40because you never quite knew what you were going to get from Barry

00:30:43from week to week.

00:30:45Most weeks, he was really into it.

00:30:47Pretty solid defense, especially with its linebackers, Miller, Brooks,

00:30:50Kroll, Armstead.

00:30:52I think let's do this top 10.

00:30:54Okay.

00:30:55I'm not, I wasn't even thinking.

00:30:57I was thinking about something else.

00:30:59I'm not, I wasn't even thinking.

00:31:01I was thinking about something else.

00:31:02And this is all going to be covered.

00:31:03I didn't think he'd riddle him today.

00:31:05He could be very funny.

00:31:07There were a few hells and damns that would usually have to be edited out

00:31:10of the show because Barry's language could get a little salty.

00:31:13The excitement of playing the season.

00:31:15Let's start over.

00:31:17Damn, I'm damp.

00:31:19But it was always something I looked forward to doing

00:31:22and always appreciated the opportunity to do

00:31:25because most weeks, Barry made a lot of fun.

00:31:28You were either for him or against him.

00:31:30I mean, he kept score in his own mind and behind closed doors

00:31:34as to who he thought were the good guys and who were the bad guys.

00:31:38But he never let it show in public very often.

00:31:43The Cowboys have one more practice here tomorrow morning,

00:31:45and then they do head back home, and they are ready to go.

00:31:48And Cowboys coach Barry Switzer joins me here tonight.

00:31:50I assume you're ready to go too, aren't you?

00:31:52I'm ready.

00:31:53I'm ready to go back to Dallas.

00:31:54If you had drawn it up exactly the way you wanted to do,

00:31:56did nothing surprise you, nothing disappointed you?

00:31:58Oliver Stone couldn't have written better than Walt Disney.

00:32:00I loved him.

00:32:01I mean, he really was.

00:32:02I would go through many camp.

00:32:03The camp here, if I had orchestrated it any better,

00:32:06it couldn't have been better.

00:32:08I want to ask you something about tonight.

00:32:11You made a phone call to Norm Hitcheskill,

00:32:15and you said that we had a controversy on our staff down here today,

00:32:19a discord and all.

00:32:21A power struggle.

00:32:22A power struggle on our staff.

00:32:24You're saying that's not true?

00:32:25Talk to the staff.

00:32:27You guys fabricate things you can't think.

00:32:30You all need to read the Dallas Observer.

00:32:32Where do you get that from?

00:32:34Come on, tell me about it.

00:32:35Where does it come from?

00:32:36I like this about Barry.

00:32:39Anything I said, anything Hanson said,

00:32:42anything any of the critics out there said about him,

00:32:47he was like, I don't give a damn what you say, what you write.

00:32:53That's kind of his attitude.

00:32:54I do think the public perception was probably incorrect in a lot of ways.

00:32:58But on the other hand, Barry brought some of that on himself.

00:33:01Let's be honest about it.

00:33:02He was a character.

00:33:04He loved being a larger-than-life type of personality,

00:33:06and that's always going to make you polarizing.

00:33:08They know who the boss is, and I am the boss.

00:33:11Don't you ever question that, and Jerry Jones knows that too.

00:33:14You know why?

00:33:15Because if I wasn't, I'd say, Jerry, this is your team, I'm your coach.

00:33:19But if I don't like it,

00:33:21and there comes down to a decision between me and a coach or a player,

00:33:24not the guys in Aikman and Emmett, and we're talking about a different level.

00:33:27Hey, it's me or them.

00:33:29Handle that.

00:33:30Because I can go back and sit on my couch any day

00:33:32because I came to Dallas with more money than Jimmy left with.

00:33:37I didn't bother them, and the media has never bothered me.

00:33:39I didn't give a damn about them, because I know this.

00:33:41They never covered a kickoff, and they never brought one back.

00:33:44They don't know a damn thing about what they're talking about half the time.

00:33:52Barry came into a situation that was almost a no-win situation,

00:33:56and I don't know that it's been duplicated or replicated in the NFL

00:34:02or many other situations in professional sports before or since,

00:34:08where if you won, it was already set up for you there,

00:34:13and so you really aren't going to get the credit that you deserve.

00:34:17And if you didn't win, there was going to be royal hell to pay

00:34:20because this is the greatest team in the history of the Dallas Cowboys,

00:34:23and people don't want to hear that you couldn't win three in a row.

00:34:26We are going to three-peat! We are going to make history!

00:34:29Cowboys all the way! Super Bowl number three!

00:34:32That first year, it was going good.

00:34:36In December, they lost a couple of games, and they lost home field.

00:34:41The Cowboys were the best team in football.

00:34:43They were better than San Francisco.

00:34:44They had proved that for two straight years, but you wanted home field.

00:34:49You didn't want to be going out to that muck and nastiness of Canterstown.

00:34:57Many see it as the matchup of the year.

00:35:00Eggman back to throw, sets, looks, deep ball!

00:35:03These two teams have met to decide the NFC champion in each of the past two seasons,

00:35:08but players here at the Ranch don't see it for anything more than what they believe it is.

00:35:13It hasn't developed into a rivalry.

00:35:15You just have two good teams, two quality teams that gives you a very interesting game.

00:35:21Charles Haley may be the exception to the rule this week.

00:35:24He, like no other player, looks forward to challenging his former team,

00:35:28of which he helped claim two Super Bowl championships.

00:35:31And Haley seems to be a lucky charm for Dallas,

00:35:33for San Francisco hasn't been the same since he left.

00:35:37I respected most of the guys there, and I respected 90% of them there.

00:35:42When I left, all of them just started taking out knives and just started stabbing me.

00:35:47So, you know, I have nothing left for them.

00:35:50And, you know, it just brings out every ounce of energy that's left in me when I play.

00:35:56Most likely, whoever wins between the Dallas Cowboys and San Francisco

00:36:02most likely will win the Super Bowl, so therefore, that's just how it is.

00:36:08We have the NFC championship game.

00:36:11This is, by definition, a polarized clash of cultures.

00:36:15For the third year in a row, the same two teams.

00:36:18That's never happened since the merger in 1970.

00:36:22Let's play with damn enthusiasm. Let's go ahead and play as a unit.

00:36:25Let's play as a team. United, we stand together. Together, we fall.

00:36:29All right? Let's do it, boys.

00:36:35Back to throw. Throws it right on a slant. Nice catch.

00:36:37Oh, Kevin Williams had it intercepted. Touchdown, 49ers.

00:36:41Throws it down the field, caught, and then knocked away.

00:36:44The turnover again.

00:36:56Smith hurdles up the middle, banging near the goal line.

00:36:59Touchdown, Evan Smith.

00:37:01Blocked from Newton. He throws it in the end zone to Irving for a touchdown.

00:37:07Aikman, back to throw.

00:37:08Back to throw. Throws it underneath Novacek at the 35.

00:37:11He's three yards short.

00:37:16The final score is San Francisco 38, Dallas 28.

00:37:20The King is dead. Long live the King.

00:37:29We felt we let one get away.

00:37:31We felt that we truly were a better team than the 49ers.

00:37:35We felt that if we played our best game

00:37:37and they played their best game, we'd beat them.

00:37:39But we didn't play our best game, and they did.

00:37:42So there was a big disappointment.

00:37:44There was a hurt. There was a void in the team.

00:37:47I was mad because we didn't protect Troy.

00:37:50Aikman back. 216 and a half pressure. Sacked off.

00:37:53Nate Newton lost his block on Rhett Hall.

00:37:56He stood in there and took them hit after hit after hit.

00:38:00Like I told him, you don't throw interceptions.

00:38:03You don't fumble the damn football. You don't make mistakes.

00:38:06Hey, we're going to win this one.

00:38:08And I let Zampezi Ernie talk me into,

00:38:11oh, we go get three points, coach, we're going to score.

00:38:14Well, through three incompletions, we punted the ball.

00:38:17They got it in 50 seconds, and they over Larry Brown.

00:38:20They hit Jerry Rice, fingertip catch, and ends over a touchdown.

00:38:24I'm dog cussing my ass all the way to the locker room.

00:38:27I'm upset in my gut feeling. We did the wrong thing.

00:38:29You're the one who made the decision on that.

00:38:31I'm the one who should pay for it.

00:38:33These guys fought all the way back only to get cheated.

00:38:36But anyway.

00:38:37Aikman again will have to throw, and does, and goes deep.

00:38:42Pass is incomplete.

00:38:44Intended for Michael Irvin.

00:38:46And he had Dion on that one.

00:38:48The whole Cowboys sideline is looking for a penalty on this one.

00:38:53You see, he gets his left hand in there.

00:38:57He got that left arm in there in front of him.

00:39:00There's a flag on the play on the far side of the field.

00:39:03I think Barry Switzer might have run into the referee.

00:39:06Bumping the official on the field.

00:39:08The official was bumped on the field.

00:39:10Play was over, 15 yards, third down.

00:39:12How about that one?

00:39:14Did I blame Barry for that?

00:39:17I didn't think I should, but I probably did anyway.

00:39:20It's mainly comes down to if Jimmy had been there with this, it happened.

00:39:27And I think that would be the fair way to ask the question.

00:39:31If we don't make those mistakes in the first five minutes of the ballgame,

00:39:35we could beat San Francisco.

00:39:37Anyone's going to hang half a hundred on San Diego in the Super Bowl.

00:39:40We'd have won two in a row.

00:39:42Should have won four in a row, for sure.

00:39:44That loss, to me, still hurts more than any loss we've ever had.

00:39:49We lost a little bit of focus, a little bit of commitment.

00:39:53And I think by losing that NFC Championship game

00:39:55gave us a chance to get back refocused.

00:39:58Even in the loss that year in 94 in the NFC Championship,

00:40:01the leadership really stepped up the following year,

00:40:04that offseason going into the next year,

00:40:06because we still believed that we had at least one more in us.

00:40:13I said, you did it your way. We're going to do it our way now.

00:40:15And that was because I stepped in there and came late.

00:40:19And I was going to have a full year of being able to look at the players

00:40:22and be a part of it, making the constructive calls.

00:40:36Randy, I'm liable to beat the hell out of a coach every day out in the field

00:40:39if I don't impress you.

00:40:40I'm liable to snatch a lace up his damn throat

00:40:42and throw him on the floor here if it'll make you happy.

00:40:44I'm mean. When I've got to be mean, I'm a mean SOB.

00:40:48You know what I mean?

00:40:50I do it with a smile. It's not wicked.

00:40:52I mean, I do it with a smile. I have fun with it.

00:40:54But don't think that it won't fire a gas.

00:40:57It's just part of what the hell comes out of your damn mouth.

00:41:00And sometimes you say it and you feel it and believe it.

00:41:03You know, they take something and run with it.

00:41:06We'll tell you what you guys are doing here.

00:41:15I don't think so at all.

00:41:16No, I don't think so.

00:41:17We had one that didn't do.

00:41:19He put me to the test.

00:41:21I said, that's one test you're going to flunk.

00:41:22He flunked that test. $10,000 worth.

00:41:24Has anybody been $10,000 for missing a meeting there, Mr. Owner?

00:41:29Ever?

00:41:30And since a meeting we went, let's go back.

00:41:34I'm not that I can recall.

00:41:36I was told that they hadn't been.

00:41:38I got a record there, didn't I?

00:41:40I'm a tough son of a bitch, aren't I?

00:41:44I'm so damn disappointed we didn't win last year.

00:41:47It hurt me, but I'm going to tell you, I don't dwell on it.

00:41:50Life's too short.

00:41:51Let's go on down the road.

00:41:52Let's do it again this year.

00:41:53They come when you least expect them sometimes.

00:41:55I've won four national championships.

00:41:57And they come when you least expect them.

00:41:59You prepare for it every year.

00:42:00You try to do it and accomplish it every year.

00:42:02And sometimes when you think you're going to do it, it doesn't happen.

00:42:05And when you don't think you're going to do it, sometimes it does happen.

00:42:08It's happened that way before me.

00:42:09So you prepare each one of them going down the road.

00:42:12Try to make it happen.

00:42:13The pressure on the Cowboys, on Barry Switzer, on Jerry Jones

00:42:21was as high as it can be after not winning the Super Bowl

00:42:27or getting to the Super Bowl in the 1994 season.

00:42:31It was all on Jerry.

00:42:32So now it's like, well, we've got to win this.

00:42:34We've got to get back.

00:42:35So the pressure was really on heading into that season

00:42:38that they had to be successful.

00:42:40What is the status on Deion Sanders right now?

00:42:42What is the status on Deion?

00:42:43There have been meaningful, in my opinion, talks.

00:42:46And there's been money talked with the Cowboys and Deion's representative.

00:42:50What had been going on is Jerry was bucking the NFL.

00:42:54He felt like the individual teams should be able to do their own marketing deals.

00:43:00I'm not sure everybody knew what was getting ready to happen.

00:43:03And when you're getting ready to poke the bear,

00:43:07there's no better opportunity than on Monday night football.

00:43:11Cowboys giants.

00:43:13Let's go, man.

00:43:15Come on, baby.

00:43:16All night warriors.

00:43:17Me and you.

00:43:18Slot to the left, and then it's Smith's first carry of the season.

00:43:21He's gone.

00:43:22He's gone.

00:43:24To the 20, to the 10.

00:43:27Touchdown, Cowboys.

00:43:29Aikman fires caught by Michael Irvin at the 5.

00:43:31Touchdown, Cowboys.

00:43:33Halftime.

00:43:34The Cowboys leading the Giants 21 to nothing.

00:43:39This is an overview.

00:43:41Texas Stadium, of course, has the opening.

00:43:44That gives it its identity, really.

00:43:48But my thoughts are to have that field and have all of our training center

00:43:51closer to the stadium.

00:43:54This is the parking now, right?

00:43:56Yes.

00:43:57We have about 150 acres.

00:43:59Very great.

00:44:01So we've got these caps that we're going to exchange here.

00:44:04I hope that if I put this cap on, it doesn't mess up my hair.

00:44:07Well, at the risk of messing my hair up,

00:44:10I'm going to put this cap on.

00:44:12I hope that if I put this cap on, it doesn't mess up my hair.

00:44:14Well, at the risk of messing, I do that.

00:44:17Here I go.

00:44:18All right.

00:44:19I'm going to have it done.

00:44:21Great.

00:44:22Okay, here we go.

00:44:23Looks good.

00:44:24Here we go.

00:44:26During the return, number 20 of the return team.

00:44:30Prime exposure.

00:44:32Has picked this time to announce that he and Nike are joining forces,

00:44:39announcing a seven-year exclusive sponsorship agreement

00:44:42between Nike and Texas Stadium.

00:44:44This is the first time that Nike has signed a contract with Texas Stadium.

00:44:49He and Nike are joining forces,

00:44:51announcing a seven-year exclusive sponsorship agreement

00:44:54between Nike and Texas Stadium.

00:44:56He, along with Phil Knight, who is the CEO of Nike,

00:45:01a mysterious and somewhat reclusive man,

00:45:03and that's Phil Knight in a cowboy hat.

00:45:05Some think he is the most powerful man in sports,

00:45:08running the Nike empire,

00:45:10and the two have linked up in a deal exclusive to the Cowboys.

00:45:14It will send shockwaves throughout the National Football League.

00:45:18As of right now,

00:45:19Nike does not have a licensing agreement with the National Football League.

00:45:23So, again, Jerry is kind of going outside the family.

00:45:26When Phil Knight came to the game and Jerry started making more business deals,

00:45:29did you know that was going on?

00:45:32No, I knew Jerry was doing different things

00:45:34because people in pro football, all the NFL marketing,

00:45:37talked to me about trying to help me influence.

00:45:39I said, me influence Jerry?

00:45:41Jerry's going to do what the hell he wants to do.

00:45:43I have no influence on Jerry.

00:45:44Y'all don't either.

00:45:45Y'all do something, he's going to do the opposite.

00:45:47He's going to find the other competitor who you brought,

00:45:49and he's going to kick your ass with it.

00:45:51Nike represents so many athletes.

00:45:54They have so many athletes tied into endorsement contracts.

00:45:57The question I think that a lot of people are going to ask,

00:46:00are those athletes going to be funneled towards the Dallas Cowboys?

00:46:04Among those athletes, one, Deion Sanders.

00:46:07And Smith looks like he may have gotten his foot stepped on,

00:46:10or maybe has a cramp.

00:46:12If Kevin Smith is out for any length of time,

00:46:17how much more important would that make the signing of one Deion Sanders

00:46:22to the Dallas Cowboys?

00:46:24I think you already know the answer to that question.

00:46:30We said no on Deion in 94.

00:46:33Next thing we know, Smith is gone, doesn't even play the season.

00:46:37He's out and gone.

00:46:38We didn't make a mistake that next year we will get Deion.

00:46:42I don't care what it takes.

00:46:45You get me Deion.

00:46:52Are you ready?

00:46:53I was born ready.

00:46:55Dang, if I had 11 men like that, I could rule the world.

00:46:59Mr. Jones was determined.

00:47:01When Deion became free, he was determined to get that corner back.

00:47:05And Deion was that guy that can come in, you can do more things

00:47:09because he literally commanded one half of the field.

00:47:13This is a beauty, and Sanders retreats back to the 32,

00:47:16drops the ball again.

00:47:26Prime time, Sanders shows how he got his nickname

00:47:30as he goes all the way for a touchdown, a 68-yard punt return.

00:47:35George has time, and his pass is intercepted.

00:47:38Uh-oh, they're not catching him down the sideline.

00:47:41Deion Sanders.

00:47:44Deion Sanders told us yesterday that for every touchdown he gets,

00:47:48he will give the blocking people three choices,

00:47:52a Gucci watch, a bunch of money, or a gold chain.

00:47:56You know what? He can afford it.

00:47:58Deion Sanders, prime time.

00:48:09Yes.

00:48:15First of all, this, in my view, this entire process

00:48:21has been a very competitive one.

00:48:23But having said that, Stephen Jones got on my plane yesterday

00:48:30about 7 o'clock, flew to Chicago,

00:48:34and Deion Sanders signed the contract, and he's now a Dallas Cowboy.

00:48:38You know, when they brought him in, we welcomed him with open arms, man.

00:48:42What's going on?

00:48:44How you doing, baby?

00:48:45Welcome to the squad.

00:48:46It was about winning.

00:48:48We was about winning.

00:48:50Winning was first, and everything else fell up under that.

00:48:53Where's all that money?

00:48:55Where's all that money?

00:48:58Hey, man, what's up, money?

00:49:01What's up, money?

00:49:02How's everybody doing, man?

00:49:03Let me see what money smells like when it smells so good.

00:49:06When Deion came in, he brought the whole prime time with him.

00:49:10He had, like, an entourage of guys and this and that.

00:49:13We wasn't used to seeing that.

00:49:26No doubt, and I don't think anybody on the team will tell you,

00:49:29except Deion, that he was not, you know, a team guy.

00:49:32He just did what he wanted to do.

00:49:35That's no secret.

00:49:36I've never had any problems with teammates.

00:49:39It may be like that since I've gone to another team,

00:49:42but it wasn't like that while I was in San Francisco.

00:49:44I feel like these guys are professionals.

00:49:46You know, first thing he did was invited all the guys to his house,

00:49:49the defensive backs, talked about how we needed to work together,

00:49:52you know, get on one page, and we did,

00:49:54and I think it was very good that he did that

00:49:56because it made it a lot easier for all of us to get together

00:49:59and work hard as one unit.

00:50:05We don't know.

00:50:06We'll talk about that Monday.

00:50:07I've already told Ernie.

00:50:09We'll sit down and visit about that.

00:50:11But Ernie knows that he wants to play offense,

00:50:13and Ernie would like to coach him on offense.

00:50:15We played some games he played 100 snaps.

00:50:17You know, Deion could play offense, defense.

00:50:21I think he was told when he was in San Francisco

00:50:23he wanted to play some offense out there.

00:50:25Jerry Rice had a button contract.

00:50:27Deion couldn't play offense.

00:50:30I handle my business out there on the field, and I handle it well,

00:50:32and I'm going to continue to handle it well.

00:50:35So don't question my dedication to a sport or what I mean to my teammates.

00:50:40I don't like to be questioned on that behalf.

00:50:46It played no role in what we're doing here with Deion.

00:50:50Deion was with Nike when he was with Atlanta.

00:50:54He was with Nike because he's the only legitimate two-sport star

00:50:58there is in sports today.

00:51:01Someday some people are going to learn that I'm not in this thing for money.

00:51:07I didn't buy the Dallas Cowboys to make money.

00:51:09I'm here to win.

00:51:11I'm here to go to Super Bowls.

00:51:13And I'll tell you right now, I know when you go get Deion Sanders'

00:51:17you're making at least a step toward a Super Bowl.

00:51:21I think the circus really hit in 95.

00:51:24And I think then you get to what happened when the 49ers,

00:51:29who they still thought they were better than when the 49ers come into Texas Stadium

00:51:33and the 49ers just kicked the dog out of them.

00:51:36So that, I think everybody's confidence went, whoa.

00:51:40December rolled around.

00:51:42I called it the December from hell because it was just one nightmare after another,

00:51:47and the pressure was mounting.

00:51:49The stretch is going to be hard.

00:51:50It's a grind.

00:51:52And what I remember, when you've won two Super Bowls

00:51:55and you made it to a championship game, every week was someone's Super Bowl.

00:52:01Veterans Stadium in Philadelphia.

00:52:04The Cowboys and the Eagles, an NFC East battle.

00:52:07This is good hitting weather.

00:52:09I mean, this whole intensity in this fourth quarter is being lifted by both teams.

00:52:14I mean, the fans are into it now.

00:52:16I mean, the whole thing is going on here.

00:52:18There's some stuff going on now.

00:52:2017-17 tie, 245 left, third and ten Dallas in their own 20.

00:52:26And if they win today, they can clinch a division title, a second win,

00:52:30they get the bye, and a third.

00:52:32If they can win all three of their games, they can get home field throughout.

00:52:37Push him up.

00:52:39Push him up.

00:52:40Let's hear it.

00:52:41They need ten for a first.

00:52:48And Troy Aikman back to throw.

00:52:50Gets it out.

00:52:51Not enough for a first down.

00:52:54And Dallas going to go for it.

00:52:56Oh, I don't believe in this.

00:52:57I think a tie scorer in this situation, unless they're going to try and draw him offside,

00:53:02I think they cannot go for it here.

00:53:05Emmitt Smith to deep back.

00:53:09Emmitt Smith gets a carry.

00:53:11He doesn't make it.

00:53:12No, that's a bad call.

00:53:13You can't do that.

00:53:14Look at the Eagles.

00:53:15No, that call could have won the Eagles this game.

00:53:19Now they're saying maybe the two-minute warning ran out.

00:53:22Barry Switzer is saying the two-minute warning.

00:53:25Barry Switzer ought to be saying that he shouldn't have called that play.

00:53:28The Cowboys' offensive unit is still on the field.

00:53:31Maybe they're saying in the two minutes.

00:53:37I'm still surprised the Cowboys are going for it again.

00:53:40I think that was a bad call the first time they did it.

00:53:43That was a bad call now.

00:53:47Emmitt Smith is still deep with Darrell Johnston in front of him.

00:53:52Same play.

00:53:54Didn't get it again.

00:53:55Get it again.

00:53:56That's unbelievable.

00:53:57This is unbelievable.

00:53:59What in the heck is going on?

00:54:06We went in our locker room.

00:54:09And fortunate for me, I've always been the guy that can take, you know.

00:54:15Troy just looked at us with disgust.

00:54:18I can't answer that real honestly until I see the film tomorrow.

00:54:22Troy, do you feel things slipping away a little bit now?

00:54:24Huh?

00:54:25Do you feel things slipping away?

00:54:29What do you think, Gary?

00:54:30And Micah Irving never stopped.

00:54:33But he was calling us fat this and this, that.

00:54:37Biggest offensive line in the league.

00:54:38Y'all can't even get sixes.

00:54:40You can't even get to lift.

00:54:42And I'm like, whatever a coach calls, I try to execute.

00:54:46I don't second-guess coaches.

00:54:48When I get out of this game and I become a coach, then you can ask another player.

00:54:52But I learned a long time ago, you don't second-guess your coaches.

00:54:55You believe in what they're trying to do.

00:54:57Because when you go to second-guessing, then you don't put out an all-out effort.

00:55:00When he called low left the first time, I gave a great effort.

00:55:03When he called low left the second time, I tried to give an even greater effort.

00:55:06Because when you doubt, you hesitate.

00:55:08Coach's job of calling the plays that he thought would work, and to be honest with you,

00:55:13that was our bread and butter.

00:55:15And I'm going to go a step further.

00:55:19Two years before that, when Coach Switzer got there,

00:55:22we used to call low right and low left equally.

00:55:26Until one day I stood up in the short yardage meeting.

00:55:30I stood up and said, hey, we run low left first in all ways.

00:55:35So when I stood up and said that, I said, because we 99.9% on low left,

00:55:40so we need to run low left.

00:55:42And the coach said, what?

00:55:44I said, yeah, we run low left.

00:55:46So I kind of asked for that.

00:55:50A frigid day in Philly sees Dallas' grip on home field advantage disappear into thin air.

00:55:56Will the Cowboys still get to the promised land?

00:55:59The coach's thoughts next on the Barry Switzer Show.

00:56:03Cowboys 10-4 after the loss to the Eagles last weekend.

00:56:06We will talk about that game in detail in just a few minutes.

00:56:09You're seeing there the 4th-and-1 call, the decision to go for it from the 29-yard line.

00:56:14Didn't get it, of course.

00:56:16Game-winning field goal.

00:56:17Game-winning field goal.

00:56:18We felt like it's a 90% least chance of making it.

00:56:22And we didn't make it, so that's a consequence of that.

00:56:25And I'm Bozo the clown, Bozo the coach, and I have to live with that.

00:56:29So I'm the kind of guy that can handle it.

00:56:31He took responsibility for the losses.

00:56:33He took responsibility for the top line in football and the best running back.

00:56:37He took it.

00:56:39Given the aftermath of this thing, is there any part of you at any time that says,

00:56:42hey, I don't need this.

00:56:43I could have stayed on the couch in Norman, and right now that couch is looking pretty good.

00:56:47No, I like it.

00:56:48And you think that this criticism or what people are going to write

00:56:51can affect how I feel about this.

00:56:53No, not at all.

00:56:54That's pro football.

00:56:55You're going to lose some and win some that you think you should win.

00:56:58But that's why everybody can beat everybody in that game.

00:57:01It's how the game's played, what happens in that 60 minutes you're playing.

00:57:04It was 13 possessions, 12 of 13 possessions, you got the ball.

00:57:07What did you do with it?

00:57:09Here's Barry Switzer.

00:57:10He comes into a role, and this wasn't all his fault.

00:57:13I think the problem was, and what Jimmy was really good,

00:57:17was when to put his finger on us.

00:57:20He had the pulse of this football team, and he had a lot of alpha dogs,

00:57:23and he knew how to control the Michael Irvins, the Emmett Smiths, the Charles Haleys.

00:57:29He knew how to control the football team,

00:57:32and I think it was unfair for Barry Switzer to come in

00:57:35and then expect him to have the pulse of this football team.

00:57:39It's just not fair.

00:57:40I don't care if you're bringing Bill Walsh back in.

00:57:43These aren't his guys.

00:57:45And it was an uphill battle for Barry from day one.

00:57:51I think his philosophy forced us to grow up as men

00:57:56because we were so used to Jimmy being a taskmaster

00:57:59that flexibility and all that stuff was gone with Jimmy,

00:58:05but flexibility and the ability to be a veteran was wide open with Barry.

00:58:12And unfortunately, I think sometimes people take advantage of those things.

00:58:19Hey, Jack, I am tired of being a guy who's got to run down everybody's damn throat all the time.

00:58:24Why don't we have a coach who gets over there and does something about it?

00:58:27Instead, we want to go over and pat everybody on the ass,

00:58:29and they haven't done their job all night.

00:58:31Guys out there are off, and nobody says anything about it.

00:58:33We've got a head coach who won't say anything about it.

00:58:35We've got coaches offensively who won't do anything about it.

00:58:38I mean, enough's enough.

00:58:40The babysitting's over.

00:58:42I remember Joe Brodsky, our running backs coach,

00:58:45pulled me aside at practice one day late in December,

00:58:48and he said, if we screw around and win this thing this year,

00:58:52he said it would be one of the greatest stories ever told

00:58:54because I don't know how in the hell it's going to happen.

00:58:57I would say any player on that team would tell you that we were in trouble.

00:59:04There were a lot of distractions that year.

00:59:07Please welcome Mr. Primetime, Deion Sanders.

00:59:10Please welcome Troy Aikman.

00:59:13Now the Cowboy fans weren't going to take two years of,

00:59:16well, we have this excuse and we have that excuse.

00:59:19No, you still have Troy, Emmitt, Michael, Novacek, Haley, all those guys.

00:59:23We don't want to hear about that.

00:59:25And then there was so much turmoil

00:59:27and just ridiculously crazy things happening in the month of December

00:59:32that it just didn't seem like it was going to happen.

00:59:35San Francisco loses the last game of the regular season.

00:59:39That put the Cowboys home field.

00:59:42But then San Francisco loses to Green Bay in the first round of the playoffs.

00:59:47The Cowboys walk right into the Super Bowl.

00:59:50I was like, hey, it's time to go to work.

00:59:52Let's go win another one.

00:59:54[♪upbeat music playing♪

01:00:00Dallas Cowboys, date with destiny.

01:00:02From Tempe, Arizona.

01:00:04The Cowboys are in the Super Bowl for the third time in four years.

01:00:06I talked with Jerry Jones earlier in the week

01:00:08and asked him if this Super Bowl business has become routine.

01:00:13No, it's been exciting, and I think Mike especially,

01:00:16since we had our funeral service read to us in December.

01:00:21We saw the epitaph.

01:00:23We heard the service.

01:00:25We know what it would have been like not to come to the Super Bowl

01:00:28and the criticism we would have gotten.

01:00:30Everybody feels the same way.

01:00:31We got to go back, wake up, and here we are at the Super Bowl.

01:00:34This is every bit as exciting to me as the first Super Bowl that we attended.

01:00:38It's an exciting week.

01:00:40It's a rewarding week, but now it's time to get down to business.

01:00:43We have to win the football game to make it complete.

01:00:45One guy who still doesn't have a lot of experience in this league is Barry Switzer.

01:00:49I know, Mickey, you had a chance to talk with the coach during this past week.

01:00:52Will you look at this season as a success,

01:00:54or do you think in your mind you have to win this Super Bowl to make it a success?

01:00:58When I came, I entered under the most difficult criteria any coach ever entered.

01:01:03It was the only way I would even have a chance by some to be measured as a success.

01:01:08It was I had to win the Super Bowl, understandably so.

01:01:11We've been favored in every ball game.

01:01:13We've played 24 football games, and we've been favored in every one of them.

01:01:18We're favored this time, and I know that this, we have the ability and talent.

01:01:23We play good, protect the ball, keep everything to a minimum, don't turn it over.

01:01:27We're the best team when we win the football game.

01:01:29Let's go!

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01:02:06I think we, you know, we're here on business.

01:02:07We're here to win this football game.

01:02:08We're not here to worry about all the festivities, but we know what we have to do.

01:02:09I think we had a good week of practice so far, and we're ready to play.

01:02:10I guess so far we've been, you know, pretty relaxed.

01:02:20It's pretty relaxed, you know, the media have, you know, been a factor, you know, taking our minds off of things.

01:02:43These are my horses.

01:02:48These are my horses.

01:02:49This is where they graze.

01:02:52No matter whose brand is on the front gate, this is still my territory.

01:02:56Damn!

01:02:59Neil O'Donnell has to have a hot hand. If he has a hot hand, we have a great game on our hands.

01:03:03I just think the Cowboys, Super Bowls, you have the most playmakers, you win.

01:03:07And the Cowboys have the most playmakers, so I think they'll win.

01:03:09Hey, y'all take a full look at all the old guys right here.

01:03:12Yeah, Donison, come here, Donison.

01:03:14That's all teams over, you know that.

01:03:15Come on, this is the old group right here.

01:03:17The over 30, come on, right?

01:03:18Over 30 group right here.

01:03:24Thanks.

01:03:25Saturday night, not before the game, you're laying in bed, what's going through your head?

01:03:29I'm dreaming about picking a ball off and pulling out a dance I got for Dion.

01:03:33And what's that kind of dance?

01:03:34I can't, you know, that's a surprise, y'all gonna have to wait and see.

01:03:37It's Super Bowl Sunday in America and in about 147 countries around the world as well.

01:03:48Sun Devil Stadium in Tempe, Arizona.

01:03:51The thing and the excitement and the setting is perfect.

01:03:55It's absolutely perfect.

01:03:57It's Super Bowl Thursday.

01:03:58Between the Dallas Cowboys and the Pittsburgh Steelers, and it's a glorious day in the Valley of the Sun.

01:04:04Hey, it's been a long time coming.

01:04:06But we're finally here.

01:04:08Let's go out here and play a complete game.

01:04:10Let's go from the Alpha to the Omega.

01:04:13Let's go out here, kick these Pittsburgh Steelers' ass up and down the field,

01:04:17and go home and enjoy them for four years.

01:04:19Hey!

01:04:23Close the bomb to Dion Sanders, caught at the 20.

01:04:25And primetime makes a 47-yard prime catch of a Troy Aikman ball.

01:04:34Wide open, Jay Novacek, touchdown!

01:04:53They used to call me Edward Scissorhands, because I dropped so many balls my rookie year.

01:04:58And Michael Irvin came to me one time and said,

01:05:00Hey, look, dude, you're not a receiver.

01:05:02Nobody ever said you had to use your hands.

01:05:04Just catch the ball.

01:05:06So I said, OK, Mike.

01:05:10Here come the Cowboys.

01:05:11He throws downfield, intercepted by Larry Brown to the 50, to the 40, down to the 30.

01:05:17High steps, still on his feet to the 20 with a helicopter move.

01:05:21And he goes out of bounds, 43 yards.

01:05:23The pass flown right to Larry Brown.

01:05:31Hand off Emmitt Smith.

01:05:32He gets close to the plane at the goal line.

01:05:35Touchdown, Cowboys!

01:05:38Here's a pass in the flat, picked up by the Cowboys.

01:05:40Larry Brown may score at the 30, 20, 10, out of bounds at the 6-yard line.

01:05:46It is a run back of 32 yards, and Larry Brown appears to be in a position to set him up again.

01:05:52Hey, you get one more, you can run for mayor.

01:05:54You better.

01:05:55Turn up.

01:05:56I'll vote for you, dawg.

01:05:57As long as you give me a job.

01:06:00Hand off Emmitt Smith on the right-hand side.

01:06:02Touchdown!

01:06:03Emmitt Smith scores, and Cowboys are celebrating this one.

01:06:07O'Donnell will just wing it.

01:06:08As the game ends, the Dallas Cowboys can celebrate being the team of the night.

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01:06:25You told us in our pregame show that what other people thought of you, whether you won or lost, is immaterial.

01:06:32Now that you have won this game, do you still feel that way?

01:06:35I still feel that way.

01:06:36The only things that count is your family.

01:06:39My personal family and this family right here.

01:06:41That's the ones that stuck with me when times are tough.

01:06:45These are the people I want to be with, Dallas Cowboys.

01:06:48I want to say to Jerry Jones something that's very important.

01:06:53He said to me all year,

01:06:56Are you having a good time now, Jerry?

01:06:59I want to tell you, we did it our way, baby!

01:07:02We did it!

01:07:03We did it!

01:07:04We did it!

01:07:05We did it our way, didn't we?

01:07:07That's why Jerry and I knew what that meant.

01:07:09You know, no one ever asked, what the hell are you all talking about?

01:07:12We did it our way, baby.

01:07:13You know what?

01:07:14We did it our way.

01:07:15We did it with Jerry being part of it.

01:07:17You know what I mean?

01:07:18That moment was for everybody.

01:07:19You know, the uncertainty, Barry, Troy, trying to keep everybody together, stay focused.

01:07:27Coach Johnson leaving.

01:07:29That moment there kind of symbolized our year.

01:07:33The mental toughness to overcome all the different challenges that we had to the last two years.

01:07:40We did it our way, baby!

01:07:41We did it!

01:07:42We did it!

01:07:43We did it!

01:07:44We did it!

01:08:05The Dallas Cowboys.

01:08:13Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States.

01:08:35It's a great pleasure and honor for me to welcome Jerry Jones and his family

01:08:41and coaches and staff.

01:08:43Welcome back to the White House.

01:08:44This is beginning to be boring for them, I think.

01:08:48This year, I thought, was especially important for the team.

01:08:53Jerry Jones said so after the victory over Pittsburgh.

01:08:57The fact that there were two losses in December.

01:09:00And I have to say to my longtime friend and fellow Arkansan, Barry Switzer,

01:09:06he was second guess so much, for a while I thought people had mistaken him for the President.

01:09:11I...

01:09:18This was a good year for the Dallas Cowboys.

01:09:22But because of the way they won and the way they played and the obstacles they overcame,

01:09:26it was a good year for professional football.

01:09:30And for reminding us all you have to have the courage to accept adversity

01:09:34and overcome it when you face it.

01:09:36And you have to keep going when the going gets tough.

01:09:39And every one of us in America can cheer them for that great accomplishments.

01:09:43Congratulations. We're glad to have you at the White House.

01:09:56Mr. President, ever since Bill Clinton got elected President of the United States,

01:10:02the Dallas Cowboys have been winning Super Bowls.

01:10:10The facts are that this year this team would not dwell on the negatives.

01:10:16It dwelled on the positives.

01:10:19And there were negatives.

01:10:21They were brought up to us daily.

01:10:23We knew some of them not to be there, but we knew some of them to be real.

01:10:27And I want to thank you here in the White House before the President of the United States

01:10:32for staying positive.

01:10:34It's a lesson to every one of us.

01:10:36Barry Switzer, a coach that believes in coaching the positive way

01:10:41and reinforcing the positive aspect of it.

01:10:43And, Barry, I want to thank you for what you did for this football team

01:10:47and the inspiration that you really should be for a lot of people that follow sports.

01:10:52Barry, would you step up?

01:10:54Thank you, Mr. President, Jerry Jones, guests here today.

01:10:58Thank you for being here.

01:11:00I want to thank the President for inviting us to the White House to honor our team this year.

01:11:04But more importantly, I really want to say to our coaching staff,

01:11:08and I want them to stand because I want the people to know an outstanding coaching staff

01:11:13that has coached three Super Bowl teams and won the championship again this year.

01:11:21Today is really special for me.

01:11:24It really is because in life's journey, today, this moment in time,

01:11:29it's really special for me to know that I'm an old country boy from Arkansas

01:11:35with a hundred-mile radius of hope, Fordyce, Crosset, and Rose City,

01:11:40to know that I'm an old country boy from Arkansas with a hundred-mile radius of hope,

01:11:45Fordyce, Crosset, and Rose City,

01:11:47that four country boys had an opportunity to stand before you today

01:11:53and honor the 1995 world champion, Dallas Cowboys.

01:12:09We're in the playoff three consecutive years.

01:12:11Should have won it the first year.

01:12:13We won it the second year of the Super Bowl.

01:12:15In the third year, we go out to Carolina, and we probably win the ball game.

01:12:19But you know what happens? I lose Deion Sanders. I lose Michael Urban.

01:12:23Now think about it. On offense and defense, who do you not want to lose other than quarterback?

01:12:27You know what I mean?

01:12:28We're going to be playing Green Bay the next game for the championship and on the Super Bowl again.

01:12:34And people forget about it. We came that close again in the third year there.

01:12:38Brother, we just got old.

01:12:40Now people can sit up and try to act like, you know, we had like 900 more Super Bowls than us.

01:12:47I would tell anybody, if I play, let's say, three games more a year

01:12:55in over a four- or five-year period, how many seasons have I played?

01:13:00I've played a whole season.

01:13:03I'm in playoff mode. I'm getting my body beat up.

01:13:06We just got old, man.

01:13:08I think most of the players from that 95 team, they'd be lying if they didn't say they were shocked they won that Super Bowl.

01:13:19We knew. We knew when we won that game.

01:13:22We were in that locker room probably more excited than any previous Super Bowls

01:13:29because we knew, like, we looked around like, man, I may not make the next one.

01:13:33You know, we look at each other like, wow.

01:13:35The arrow was pointing down. I lost the best tight end in the league, Jay Novacek,

01:13:40and I lost my pass rusher, Charles Haley.

01:13:42Things started happening and free agency started sucking some of those guys off.

01:13:46When you start losing core guys within the locker room, you're not going to be the same football team,

01:13:53and I think that's what we overlooked.

01:13:55I thought, you know, this team started looking at, okay, I have my five stars,

01:14:00whether it be offense and defense, and we can win games with that.

01:14:04That's just not how teams are made up.

01:14:07I decided, you know, I had to get out of here and go back, and I made the decision.

01:14:11I told Jerry, I said, hey, I'm fixing to leave here.

01:14:13I'll let you know when I'm packing my bags.

01:14:16He didn't want me to, and Jerry and I had a great relationship, Stephen and I and Jerry and Larry.

01:14:21That's the one thing I miss about the Cowboys is that relationship I had with all those guys.

01:14:26It was a fun time.

01:14:30Enjoyed our camaraderie.

01:14:36We're going together.

01:14:38We've had several conversations this week,

01:14:43and if you're a person of sports, everybody in this room is,

01:14:50I must say that I've enjoyed my last several hours with Barry.

01:14:54Jerry had said he should have not fired Barry.

01:14:58He should have retired Barry after they won the Super Bowl.

01:15:02I think that would have made the most sense.

01:15:06It would have been a good thing.

01:15:08We probably wouldn't be having this conversation 25 years later.

01:15:11The same kind of conversation if Jerry had done that.

01:15:15I think in many ways, Barry couldn't win.

01:15:17Now, let me say this.

01:15:19I think his legacy is somewhat complicated because people have different views on it.

01:15:24They will always have different opinions.

01:15:26Jimmy will always be remembered as the guy who helped the Cowboys come back, win those Super Bowls.

01:15:33Barry will always be, by some, remembered as the guy who won with Jimmy's players.

01:15:38Managed this team through an awkward transition and managed to have some success

01:15:44and probably stayed on the job too long.

01:15:49When I say I was too hard on Barry, Barry was here because he was invited to be here.

01:15:55This was not Barry Switzer's fault that he came into this role and took over

01:16:01and we didn't win it in that 94 season.

01:16:04That wasn't all his fault.

01:16:06He didn't have to come down here and take this job.

01:16:08He didn't have to come down here and take all this crap, but here he comes back.

01:16:11Jerry put a lot on the line when he brought him in.

01:16:14Jerry once said the commissioner actually asked him to talk on a panel

01:16:20about what you go through when you're hiring a head coach.

01:16:24He said, Jerry, you've hired two head coaches that have won Super Bowls.

01:16:28Jerry said, I don't know that I'm the guy you want on that panel

01:16:31because I'm running out of college friends to hire as head coach

01:16:35and I'm not an expert at that.

01:16:37I've just been fortunate to know some guys who are pretty damn good.

01:16:41I think what Barry was really good at was establishing relationships

01:16:46and letting people see that he genuinely was a good guy.

01:16:51I love Mr. Coach Switzer.

01:16:53He's one of the few guys I know if he called today and said, Nate, I need you, I'm going.

01:16:58He was somebody you wanted to see have success because he really has a good heart.

01:17:04He cares about people.

01:17:06He cares about your family.

01:17:08He cares about your kids.

01:17:10He likes to have a good time.

01:17:12He doesn't take himself too seriously.

01:17:14He had one crack at getting a Super Bowl ring in a handful of years with the Dallas Cowboys,

01:17:20and he did it, and he did it for his family,

01:17:23and I'm happy for him that he was able to get it done.

01:17:28Barry Switzer was the right coach at the right time.

01:17:32That team was so good, there's a lot of different coaches that may have won a Super Bowl with it,

01:17:39but I don't know if I could sit here and name one.

01:17:43I don't know if a younger Bill Parcells could have come in,

01:17:47but it would be hard to name a guy who could follow Jimmy and keep it going

01:17:54because his style and his hammerlock that he had on the team was so different.

01:18:01Very unique situation.

01:18:03Some of the best things in life happen when you least expect them to happen,

01:18:06and that's what happened in this case, the right place at the right time,

01:18:09and as long as they're good young men, hey, guys that like the same things I like

01:18:15and are willing to go bust their butt every day to make good things happen,

01:18:18hey, that's the kind of people I want to be around because I'm that way.

01:18:21I'm wired up that way.

01:18:22Barry is genuinely a good man, and guys respected that.

01:18:28People don't always understand or believe in his methods here or there,

01:18:31but he's a good person, and I think for the most part people like to see good people win.

01:18:36Sports Illustrated came to us and said we want to dedicate an entire issue

01:18:42to a week in the life of the Dallas Cowboys.

01:18:45Covered us from Sunday to Sunday, and the game ended that week.

01:18:50It was a game in Philadelphia that we'd won,

01:18:53and my lasting image of Barry when I think of Barry as the head coach

01:18:57is they have a picture in the head coach's office dressing room after that game.

01:19:05Barry's got his dress shirt on and his tie, and he's in his boxer shorts,

01:19:08and he's just happy we won, relieved that we won.

01:19:13Let's go get on the bus and have a good time on the plane ride home.

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