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00:00This time, I, Tomina Gai, visited Okayama, Bijen, Osafune, and Token-no-sato.
00:09Actually, I was interested in making a small katana.
00:15I was able to make it.
00:24I'll start from the top.
00:29I'll turn off the light.
00:34It's beautiful.
00:37I like this color.
00:40It's like a fantasy.
00:45I'll do it all over.
00:50It's good.
00:52I'll put it in the water.
00:54I'll do it like this.
00:57I'll do it.
01:05The temperature is perfect.
01:09I'll touch it.
01:16It's like this.
01:22It's beautiful.
01:26I'm looking forward to it.
01:28Let's check it out.
01:32Okay.
01:35Osafune, Okayama Prefecture
01:37Osafune, Okayama Prefecture has been flourishing as a Japanese island since the Heian period.
01:44It is shown in the history of the Bizen Island.
01:51I'll make a katana.
01:54I'll make a katana.
01:57I'll make a katana.
02:01I'll make a katana.
02:05Six craftsmen have never met before.
02:12They talk about their true feelings for the first time.
02:15I can tell the mistake of the craftsman at the next step.
02:22I can tell the mistake of the craftsman at the next step.
02:26I can tell the mistake of the craftsman at the next step.
02:44This is the village of Touken.
02:48This is the village of Touken.
02:51This is a famous place for katana.
02:53This is a famous place for katana.
02:56This is a famous place for katana.
02:59This is a famous place for katana.
03:03Hello.
03:05Thank you for coming.
03:08Thank you for coming.
03:10I'm looking forward to it.
03:12The Token museum is in Setouchi City in the public of Katana.
03:19The Token museum is in Setouchi City in the public of Katana.
03:21Senmon is Singapore tradition Katana event held in Bizen.
03:23Senmon is Singapore tradition Katana event held in Bizen.
03:29See this gorgeous tie-de-sai
03:32This gorgeous tie-de-sai
03:36This hat is set by Setouchi City.
03:39I don't want to talk about the price, but I can tell you this.
03:45You can tell me this?
03:47I bought this 3-chome for 500 million yen.
03:52Is it cheap or expensive?
03:54No, it's expensive.
03:56Is it okay if it's more expensive?
03:58I think it's expensive.
03:59This is owned by Uesugi Kagekatsu.
04:03It's designated as a national treasure.
04:063-chome is a national treasure that was passed down from Uesugi Kenshin to Yoshino Kagekatsu.
04:13Kagekatsu chose the best 10 pieces from Kenshin's masterpieces,
04:19and one of them is 3-chome.
04:23Why is this the most productive area?
04:27There are many theories about it,
04:30but it's because the materials were easy to obtain.
04:34The Okayama Prefecture was an iron-producing area,
04:39so they used the technology to grow katana and jizan.
04:45The high-quality iron and charcoal from China
04:50were brought in by the Yoshino family.
04:54In the Edo period,
04:56about one-fourth of all the townships in Japan were living in 3-chome.
05:013-chome was the birthplace of Fukuoka Prefecture.
05:06Fukuoka was the birthplace of Bizen and Fukuoka was the birthplace of Fukuoka.
05:11The Bizen Island spread all over Japan.
05:14About 40% of the prefectures designated as national treasures
05:19are located in the Bizen Island.
05:22We were able to see the Bizen Island for the first time.
05:32This is a katana.
05:37This is a real katana.
05:41It's completely different.
05:44I'm scared.
05:46It's okay.
05:48It's a finger.
05:50Why is it made of electricity?
05:52It's made of oil.
05:54It's coated with oil so that it doesn't get damp.
06:00But if you apply oil twice a year and take it off,
06:08it becomes a katana that lasts for 1,000 to 2,000 years.
06:12If you don't do anything, it will rust in two days.
06:16Is it that fast?
06:18Does it spill when you fight?
06:21Yes, it does.
06:23Actually, you have to practice a lot to wear a katana.
06:29You can wear a katana because it's easy to shake?
06:31Yes. If you're good at it, you can wear a steel helmet.
06:35You can wear a steel helmet?
06:38Yes.
06:39I often wear a steel helmet when I'm in an exhibition match.
06:47You can wear a steel helmet.
06:48Yes.
06:49We saw the Bizen Island for the first time,
06:53and felt a deep charm.
06:57So we decided to experience making a small katana, which we've been interested in for a long time.
07:04I'm really looking forward to it.
07:06Is this the actual training ground?
07:08Yes, it's called the training ground.
07:10This is where you actually set fire, hit the steel and train.
07:16His name is Hiroyasu Ando.
07:19He has more than 25 years of experience as a katanakaji.
07:24He has won 5 times in a row, from 2019 to 4 years in a row, at the Tohoku Shogunate.
07:34Could you hold the hammer for me?
07:36Yes, please.
07:37It's heavy.
07:38It's pretty heavy.
07:39I wasn't joking.
07:41It's heavy.
07:42It's heavy.
07:43It's heavy.
07:44It's heavy.
07:45It's heavy.
07:46It's heavy.
07:47I wasn't joking.
07:48It's heavy, but it's beautiful.
07:50It's beautiful, isn't it?
07:51Look, there are so many colors.
07:52If you look closely, you'll see that it's a lump of grain.
07:56It's not solidified.
07:57That's right, it's a lump of grain.
07:59Originally, it was made of satetsu,
08:01and it was made using a technique called tatara-buki.
08:08Tama-hagane is the material of the katana.
08:12Tama-hagane is made of satetsu using a technique called tatara-seitetsu,
08:17which is unique to Japan.
08:23Currently, the only traditional technique of tatara-seitetsu in Japan
08:28is the Nittoho-tatara in Shimane Prefecture.
08:34The tatara-seitetsu is placed in a kiln that reaches a maximum temperature of 1,400 degrees.
08:40The satetsu and charcoal are placed alternately,
08:43day and night, non-stop.
08:47The artisan reads the fire, the wind,
08:51and the visible sound of the satetsu.
09:00This is how the tatara-seitetsu is made.
09:03The tatara-seitetsu is made with a technique called tatara-buki,
09:07which is unique to Japan.
09:09The tatara-seitetsu is made with a technique called tatara-buki,
09:14which is unique to Japan.
09:17The kama is made from 2.5 tons of kera,
09:20a mass of iron.
09:25The work of breaking the kama is called kera-dashi.
09:43The kera is the base of the sword, the Tama-hagane.
10:03The Tama-hagane is the base of the sword, the Tama-hagane.
10:13The Tama-hagane is heated with a large flame.
10:22It is hit many times to stretch it out, and then folded over again to hit it again to stretch it out.
10:31This process is repeated to make the blade of the sword.
10:36The process of making the blade of the sword
10:39This is the blade of the sword.
10:41Yes, this is the blade of the sword.
10:43Can I make it?
10:44Yes, so I'd like to make a yaki-ire.
10:47Yes.
10:48So I'd like you to change your room and start painting the yaki-mazuchi.
10:54Yes, please.
10:58Once the blade of the sword is made, the next step is yaki-ire.
11:03The yaki-ire is done to cool the heated blade with water to make it strong and sharp.
11:12However, if it is cooled at once, it becomes too hard, and on the contrary, it is easy to break,
11:18so a clay called yaki-mazuchi is placed to create a soft part at a cooling temperature.
11:25What kind of mud is this?
11:28This is a mixture of clay, stone powder, and charcoal powder.
11:35We mix them one by one.
11:38The secret of the sword is the combination of these.
11:41You said it.
11:43Well, I'm not very secretive.
11:48If it's hot, it's hard to cool, so it doesn't get baked.
11:54If it's all baked, it becomes a fragile piece of steel.
12:00So I put something like a pillar in it.
12:04If you put a pillar in it, it becomes stronger.
12:07That's the role of yaki-mazuchi.
12:11Then, you cut it according to the shape you want.
12:18Do you do the same with a sword?
12:23Yes, it's exactly the same.
12:25Then it becomes a baked hamon.
12:30The pattern that appears when yaki-mazuchi is placed and baked is the hamon.
12:37This hamon is the highlight of the craftsman's skill, which mainly expresses the beauty of the sword.
12:45The traditional hamon of Bizento looks like a long-legged plant.
12:55In the Edo period, when there was no war,
12:58people made hamon with cherry blossoms and other playful things.
13:03So it's not just a pattern.
13:05No, it's also practical.
13:09It's practical and beautiful for Japan.
13:14You can't tell unless you bake it.
13:17You can't tell unless you bake it?
13:19Yes, you can't tell unless you bake it.
13:21Sometimes it's good even if it's messed up.
13:23It's very strange.
13:25Why can't you tell unless you bake it?
13:29Because of the temperature management.
13:32It's a good combination of clay and temperature.
13:37Is it difficult to get the pattern you want?
13:39Yes.
13:40If it's too obvious, it's too artificial.
13:46It doesn't become the hamon we call interesting.
13:51If you want to make it look natural, you can mess it up.
13:56That's what I'm aiming for.
13:59There are many processes in sword making.
14:04What is the most important thing for you?
14:09Everything is important.
14:11I think it's baking.
14:13Temperature management is very important.
14:16I know how to make hamon,
14:19but if it's uneven, it's not good.
14:23I want to make a hamon without unevenness.
14:31Baking.
14:33After this?
14:34Yes, after this.
14:36It's the most important step in making a Japanese sword.
14:41I see.
14:42Yes.
14:43I'll give it a try.
14:49To make my own small sword,
14:52I made Tsuchioki of Yakiba clay.
15:03It's a picture.
15:10It's a bit rough.
15:12It's difficult.
15:15It's quite difficult.
15:17It's difficult.
15:19I have to make it the same thickness, right?
15:22Yes.
15:34I'm scared.
15:36How is it?
15:38It's not good.
15:42Right?
15:50It may be a bit difficult to understand,
15:54but I'm trying to make a wave-shaped hamon.
16:04Yes.
16:06Let's dry it and put it in the oven.
16:10Yes.
16:11Please.
16:12Yes.
16:16I made my own small sword.
16:18At the beginning of the program,
16:20I showed you a bit of it,
16:22but it's the Yaki-Ire that brings life.
16:26Is this Yaki-Ire important?
16:29Yes, it's important.
16:31It's important not to make it too fast or too slow.
16:34There is a scientific data.
16:37It's not good to make it too fast or too slow.
16:40It's important to make it slowly.
16:44But it's different from the actual data.
16:51I have to make it one by one.
16:53You have to make it one by one.
16:55Yes.
16:57I'll turn off the light.
17:02It's beautiful.
17:04I like the color of Yaki-Ire.
17:06I like the color, too.
17:08It's like a fantasy.
17:11The temperature at which the blade is put into the water
17:15determines the quality of the sword.
17:18When the blade reaches the optimal temperature,
17:21it is taken out and put into the water to cool.
17:24If the timing is a little off,
17:27the blade becomes dull.
17:31The only thing that determines the quality of the sword is the color of the fire and the experience.
17:37It's good.
17:38I'll put it into the water.
17:40I'll take it out and put it into the water.
17:43I'll do it.
17:52The temperature is perfect.
17:54It's perfect.
17:57It's cold enough to touch.
18:04It's like this.
18:09This side is very beautiful.
18:14What will happen?
18:15I've done it many times, but I'm nervous about Yaki-Ire.
18:19Every time.
18:22It's decided here.
18:25Let's go over there to check it out.
18:28Yes, please.
18:32Do you sharpen it lightly at first?
18:35Yes.
18:36I sharpen it to the extent that I can fix the shape.
18:39After that, Mr. Togi will clean it up.
18:43What is the pattern?
18:46What kind of pattern is decided at this point?
18:49It's decided.
18:50There are people who say that Mr. Togi draws it.
18:53It's not like that.
18:54Mr. Togi will put it out.
18:57That's what I mean.
18:58I see.
18:59That's where the pattern comes in.
19:00That's right.
19:02Remove the burnt soil and check if there are any cracks.
19:10The cotton is thin, so be careful not to break it.
19:14Even if it's black, it can break.
19:21I'm nervous about what kind of pattern it will be.
19:44I did this.
19:46Did you do it?
19:47Yes.
19:49Many traditional cultures, such as Wajima-nuri and Suzuyaki, were damaged in the Noto Peninsula earthquake on January 1st.
19:57The symposium, Thinking about Tradition and the Future, What is the Reconciliation Now?
20:04will be held at Yomiuri Otemachi Hall on September 30th.
20:09We invite people related to Wajima-nuri and think about the future of craftsmanship.
20:15We invite 300 people to participate in the lottery.
20:19For more information, please check the official website of the Kougei Symposium.
20:26We will also introduce the voices and messages of the participants, so please watch the program.
20:32Next time, the small katana is finally completed.
20:35What is the result?
20:36It's true that there's a little bit of cotton.
20:39That's right.
20:40And the craftsmen of the Bizento are gathered.
20:43A valuable story is full.