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Host:
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- Syed Mustafa Kamal MQMP
"Sabiq Nisar Nay Apni Zuban Khol Di Tu...", Hamid Mir Gives Biggest News
"Hamara Masla Punjab Main Qeemtain Kam Hona Nahi Balkay..." Mustafa Kamal's Shocking Statement
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Host:
- Waseem Badami
Guests:
- Hamid Mir (Analyst)
- Syed Mustafa Kamal MQMP
"Sabiq Nisar Nay Apni Zuban Khol Di Tu...", Hamid Mir Gives Biggest News
"Hamara Masla Punjab Main Qeemtain Kam Hona Nahi Balkay..." Mustafa Kamal's Shocking Statement
Which PTI leaders were in contact with Faiz Hameed? - Hamid Mir Told Inside News
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00:00In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, Peace be upon you.
00:19In the beginning of the program, we have given a lot of trouble to Senior Journalist, Senior Investigator, Mr. Hamid Mir,
00:26so that he can make our problems easier on the basis of his knowledge and investigation.
00:31There are a lot of questions that are arising in people's minds regarding Imran Khan Sahib and Faiz Ameed Sahib's arrest.
00:37Today Imran Khan Sahib has said that I think they will take me to the military court and this is why Faiz Ameed was arrested.
00:44And Faiz Ameed will become a witness against me and he will say that it was my mastermind, it was the personality of my mind and something like that will happen.
00:53We will talk about a lot of other things in the beginning of the program.
00:56In the second part of the program, there is a lot of debate regarding electricity.
01:00Mr. Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif and Mr. Mariam Nawaz Sharif were asked to use electricity for 500 units.
01:08They said that they will use electricity for 200 units.
01:13For the next two months, a concession of Rs. 14 per unit has been made.
01:20They say that this is a very good thing and they have spent some money from their own budget.
01:26What could be a better thing than this?
01:28But this announcement came under debate all over the country.
01:31The people of Sindh said that today the Prime Minister of Sindh said that this is stupid.
01:35They did not mention this announcement.
01:37But there was a clear indication that if they make a stupid announcement, then it becomes difficult for us.
01:41And in this regard, there was an exchange of sentences between Mr. Mariam Nawaz Sharif and Mr. Musawwar Kamal.
01:47Mr. Musawwar Kamal said that it should also be for the people of Karachi.
01:49Ms. Mariam said that you should get it done from your Sindh government.
01:52We will talk about all this in the second part of the program.
01:54We have invited Mr. Hamid Mir, who has been with us for a long time, without any introduction.
02:00Huzoor, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
02:03Wa-alaikum-as-salam, Mr. Ameer.
02:05Sir, thank you very much for your time, Mr. Ameer.
02:07I will start with a simple, straight, innocent question.
02:11If what Mr. Khan is saying happens, you will be surprised.
02:14You will not be surprised at all that General Retired Mr. Faiz Ameer becomes a witness against Imran Khan.
02:21Do you think this will happen?
02:24Look, I will not be very surprised.
02:29The reason for this is that there are many great politicians in Pakistan,
02:37whom people have given a lot of love and respect.
02:42This has happened to them before.
02:45Like Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, he had formed a Federal Security Force, FSF.
02:51He was appointed by Masood Mehmood.
02:53He was appointed by Masood Mehmood, who was a very experienced police officer.
02:59He was a very cruel man, and Mr. Bhutto used to beat him up a lot.
03:04So, in the case in which Mr. Bhutto was hanged, Masood Mehmood was appointed as a witness.
03:11But keep in mind that when the Supreme Court rejected that decision after many years,
03:18then the status of Wada Maaf Goa has become doubtful.
03:21But my personal experience about Mr. Faiz,
03:27I can say that he was a great king of falsehood,
03:34and lying and talking under someone's pressure,
03:42it was a game of his left hand.
03:44Similarly, he took all the promotions.
03:46He became the DG ISI, and then he wanted to become the Army Chief.
03:50And when Imran Khan was the Prime Minister,
03:53Badami Sahib, from that time onwards,
03:56this came to my personal knowledge,
04:00that he used to meet the leaders of the People's Party and Muslim League Noon,
04:04and used to talk against Imran Khan,
04:09and used to say that,
04:10you think that I am very close to Imran Khan, but I am very distant from him.
04:13And there are many witnesses to this.
04:15So, when Imran Khan was the Prime Minister,
04:18at that time also, I don't know with what intention,
04:22General Faiz used to talk against Imran Khan.
04:24And on the other hand, Imran Khan used to think that he is very close to him.
04:28So, I won't be surprised if General Faiz becomes a Wada Maaf Goa against Imran Khan.
04:34But, becoming a Wada Maaf Goa only against Imran Khan,
04:39will be a very surprising thing.
04:42Because General Faiz didn't do anything big on Imran Khan's behest.
04:47He did most of the wrong things on the behest of General Bajwa.
04:51So, I think that if he remains silent against General Bajwa,
04:57and becomes a Wada Maaf Goa against Imran Khan,
05:00then whatever will happen,
05:02will actually become a charge sheet against General Faiz.
05:06Please make it a little easier for our viewers.
05:09When we say Wada Maaf Goa,
05:11because this is very much under discussion today.
05:13And if this happens,
05:14then it will determine the direction of Pakistan's politics in the near future.
05:17So, what is a Wada Maaf Goa?
05:19The one who himself admits his crime,
05:21he believes that I was also a part of it,
05:23but I did it on his behest.
05:24And then what happens?
05:25Please explain it in simple words.
05:29See, I gave you the example of Masood Mehmood.
05:32So, Masood Mehmood was not just a single Wada Maaf Goa.
05:35There were two or three others with him.
05:37So, Masood Mehmood gave the statement that
05:40I was not ordered to kill the father of Nawab Muhammad Ahmed Khan,
05:48but I was ordered to kill Ahmed Reza Qasuri.
05:54I later assigned some FSF officers.
05:59And when they fired at Ahmed Reza Qasuri in Shahdaman Chowk, Lahore,
06:04he was driving a car,
06:06and he was sitting in the next seat.
06:08So, Nawab Muhammad Ahmed Khan was shot,
06:10and he was killed.
06:11And I did all this on the behest of the then Prime Minister Zulfiqar Bhutto.
06:20So, did Masood Mehmood lose his life in this statement?
06:25Yes, Masood Mehmood lost his life,
06:30but at the same time, he also lost Pakistan.
06:33And he left Pakistan,
06:35and never returned to Pakistan.
06:38And he died in America.
06:40So, is there a legal provision?
06:44Because Masood Mehmood in that particular case,
06:46or Faiz Sahib in this case,
06:47he must be accepting his own crime, right?
06:49So, is there a legal provision for accepting one's own crime?
06:53Let me give you another example.
06:56Sometimes, some convicted criminals
07:02are punished by the court.
07:04So, in our case, there is a provision
07:06that the President of Pakistan has the right
07:08to forgive them for their crimes.
07:10When Imran Khan was the Prime Minister,
07:12there were some leaders of the Taliban movement in Pakistan,
07:18Muslim Khan and Mehmood Khan.
07:20So, General Faiz and General Bajwa
07:23were sentenced to death.
07:26They were given the death penalty.
07:27They were forgiven.
07:28And they were not punished.
07:30And then they were released.
07:32I don't know where they are now.
07:34There is a provision in our constitution.
07:36The President has the right.
07:38But the concept of forgiveness,
07:40I think it will be very difficult
07:42for General Faiz Sahib to become a forgiving witness.
07:45Because if he becomes a forgiving witness,
07:47then he will have to promise
07:49that if you put someone on Imran Khan,
07:51that I did this at Imran Khan's behest,
07:54I killed someone, I got someone killed,
07:56then they will have to be released
07:58like Masood Mehmood.
08:00And I don't think it will be possible
08:02that someone will release General Faiz Sahib
08:04in this current situation.
08:06Because,
08:08Badami Sahib,
08:10Anjuman Mutasareen-e-Faiz,
08:12has a very wide circle.
08:14And if this government
08:16or anyone,
08:18releases General Faiz Sahib as a forgiving witness
08:20and traps Imran Khan,
08:22then the Anjuman Mutasareen-e-Faiz,
08:24a lot of people are included in it.
08:26So, everyone has their own chart sheet.
08:28There are also names of some
08:30purdah nasheen-e-Faiz.
08:32The list of those who have lost faiz is very long.
08:34Yes, it is very long.
08:36Look, it is such an interesting thing
08:38that the people against whom
08:40Faiz Sahib made conspiracies,
08:42made false cases,
08:44made references,
08:46the current President of Pakistan,
08:48Asim Ali Zardari is included in it.
08:50The current Prime Minister,
08:52the current Chief Justice of Pakistan,
08:54Qazi Fadiza is included in it.
08:56The current Army Chief, General Asim Muneer is included in it.
08:58Some Chief Ministers are included in it.
09:00And there are a lot of people from the Supreme Court.
09:02There are some journalists,
09:04lawyers, traders,
09:06and there are some people
09:08who say that General Faiz Sahib
09:10has also made conspiracies in our house.
09:12So, where will these allegations go?
09:14That's why I think it is very difficult
09:16to forgive General Faiz's promise.
09:18Okay, but there is one more name that is coming.
09:20The former Chief Justice of Pakistan,
09:22Mr. Saqib Nisar.
09:24He could also be arrested.
09:26I just spoke to him a while ago.
09:28He said, I went to Pakistan on 7th August
09:30when Mr. Faiz's case did not come.
09:32I had already planned to leave Pakistan.
09:34I am here in London now.
09:36I will go ahead and then come back.
09:38I will come back on my appointed date.
09:40I have nothing to do with him.
09:42I have nothing to do with him.
09:44He has never asked me to do anything.
09:46Where did Mr. Saqib Nisar come from?
09:50I don't know
09:52who brought Mr. Saqib Nisar here.
09:54He was also saying the same thing.
09:56Who brought me here?
09:58Where did I come from?
10:00When Mr. Saqib Nisar
10:02was the Chief Justice,
10:04as far as I remember,
10:06he was in contact with
10:08Army Chief General
10:10Qamar Javed Bajwa.
10:12After that,
10:14when he retired
10:16and the last 1.5-2 years
10:18have passed,
10:20Mr. Badami has
10:22had many incidents
10:24with Mr. Saqib Nisar.
10:26There is a lot of detail about him.
10:28If Mr. Saqib Nisar
10:30says anything about him
10:32or writes a book about him,
10:34there will be great revelations.
10:36I think that
10:38Mr. Nawaz Sharif is very upset
10:40with Mr. Saqib Nisar.
10:42Many other people are also upset.
10:44His circle of followers
10:46is very big.
10:48But I think that
10:50Mr. Saqib Nisar
10:52has kept
10:54his mouth shut.
10:56If he says anything,
10:58Mr. Faiz will not be harmed.
11:00Those people will be harmed
11:02who were
11:04on top of Mr. Faiz.
11:06Right. His pen is working.
11:08Keep your mouth shut.
11:10Regardless,
11:12regarding Mr. Faiz,
11:14do you think Imran Khan
11:16will take him to the military court?
11:20Yes, he can be taken
11:22to the military court.
11:24But I just
11:26told you that
11:28I find it difficult
11:30that General Faiz will be made
11:32a promise witness.
11:34A promise means
11:36that he has been promised
11:38to be forgiven.
11:40He has been promised
11:42to be forgiven.
11:44So, if you want to
11:46forgive General Faiz,
11:48why do you need to
11:50court-martial him?
11:52Why are such big people
11:54talking about this?
11:56It is possible that
11:58both Mr. Faiz and Mr. Khan
12:00will be charged.
12:02We are talking about
12:04only one possibility.
12:06Mr. Faiz will be forgiven
12:08and Mr. Khan will be
12:10charged.
12:12It is possible.
12:16Mr. Badami,
12:18I am a journalist.
12:20I don't belong to any party.
12:22When Mr. Faiz was in power,
12:24when he came to DGIS,
12:26I used to criticize him.
12:28Our journalists
12:30were treated unfairly.
12:32I knew that Mr. Faiz
12:34was involved in this.
12:36I used to take his name.
12:38He used to get angry with me
12:40and put restrictions on me.
12:42He treated many other journalists
12:44unfairly.
12:46The problem is that
12:48many people
12:50say that Mr. Faiz did this to me.
12:52Some say that he did this to me.
12:54Everything is being done on Mr. Faiz.
12:56Whatever Mr. Faiz did
12:58in his tenure,
13:00before 2022,
13:02has it stopped today?
13:04If you want to
13:06marshal Mr. Faiz's court,
13:08you must set a good example.
13:10But it should not
13:12be repeated.
13:14If it is repeated,
13:16even today,
13:18someone will try
13:20to pressurize me.
13:22How dare you
13:24file a petition
13:26against the slowdown
13:28of firewalls and internet
13:30in Islamabad High Court?
13:32What is the benefit
13:34of accountability?
13:36If the same thing is being done
13:38against the media,
13:40there will be no benefit.
13:42Many people
13:44say that Mr. Faiz
13:46did this to me.
13:48If you are
13:50taking Mr. Faiz's
13:52accountability,
13:54and if those actions
13:56of Mr. Faiz do not stop,
13:58in 2, 3 or 4 years,
14:00many people
14:02will come to power.
14:04Sir, this is absolutely right.
14:06But technically speaking,
14:08the press release of ISPR
14:10seems to be against
14:12the post-retirement
14:14army act.
14:16In simple words,
14:18some people did not come
14:20even after retirement.
14:22They got the PTI
14:24done on May 9,
14:26leaked some information,
14:28worked against the army chief.
14:30So, they got the
14:32accountability done.
14:34This is the top city
14:36and the second one.
14:38This is not a political
14:40maneuver.
14:42Mr. Badami,
14:444 months ago,
14:46I started asking
14:48the question
14:50why General Faiz
14:52is in contact with
14:54some of his
14:56justice leaders.
14:58Who did I ask?
15:00I asked the PTI people.
15:02So, obviously,
15:04when you are a journalist
15:06and you are in contact
15:08with all kinds of people,
15:10you are in contact
15:12with Karan Thapar
15:14and Rauf Hassan.
15:16So, one of them
15:18will share something
15:20with you that will be
15:22off the record.
15:24So, a senior
15:26who has been
15:28with me
15:30for many years,
15:32he told me
15:34about General Faiz.
15:36I said, what happened?
15:38He said, he dictates to us.
15:40A senior
15:42comes to us.
15:44He is a second tier
15:46or third tier.
15:48He says, why didn't you
15:50appoint him in Punjab?
15:52Why didn't you give him
15:54in Punjab?
15:56So, we go around
15:58and meet Imran Khan
16:00in Diyala Jail
16:02and take instructions from him.
16:04He says,
16:06ignore this.
16:08Then we come to know
16:10that General Faiz
16:12gives us the impression
16:14that I am giving you
16:16orders on behalf of Imran Khan.
16:18So, this is how we came to know.
16:20If I had spoken
16:22four months ago,
16:24I didn't know
16:26that General Faiz will be court-martialed.
16:28I didn't know.
16:30I didn't expect
16:32that in Pakistan,
16:34a former DG ISI
16:36will be court-martialed
16:38and will be accused of
16:40having a political party.
16:42I know that
16:44many leaders of ISI
16:46used to talk to us
16:48that this parliamentary democracy
16:50should be abolished
16:52together with us.
16:54DG ISI
16:56used to talk to us
16:58and we used to fight with them.
17:00I didn't expect this to happen
17:02with General Faiz.
17:04Four months ago,
17:06I didn't know that he had
17:08a connection with PTI.
17:10Now, four months later,
17:12he is accused of having
17:14a connection with PTI.
17:16I think he had a connection
17:18with PTI.
17:48In summary,
17:50what do you think
17:52will happen in the next
17:546-10 months?
17:56Judges seem to think
17:58that the case is in
18:00Mr. Khan's favor.
18:02Institutions don't
18:04get along with Mr. Khan.
18:06Mr. Khan sometimes
18:08makes statements
18:10and sometimes doesn't.
18:12What will happen in the
18:14next 6-8 months?
18:16What will happen in the next
18:186-8 months?
18:46This is the real problem
18:48of Pakistan.
18:50Your young generation
18:52is uncertain about
18:54their future.
18:56This problem will be solved
18:58if you establish
19:00rule of law in Pakistan
19:02and give confidence
19:04to the people.
19:06But the situation in Pakistan
19:08is such that some individuals
19:10are concerned about
19:12their survival.
19:14They want to fight
19:16for their survival.
19:18They want to fight
19:20for the survival of
19:22Pakistan.
19:24The Supreme Court
19:26and Parliament
19:28are fighting.
19:30This is so unfortunate.
19:32This is so unfortunate.
19:34Imran Khan and
19:36Nawaz Sharif
19:38think that if Imran Khan
19:40survives,
19:42then everyone
19:44is fighting
19:46for their survival.
19:48Individuals have
19:50involved institutions
19:52in this struggle.
19:54There is only one way
19:56to bring stability
19:58right now.
20:00You should establish
20:02rule of law in Pakistan.
20:04It may seem like a book
20:06to you.
20:08But remember one thing.
20:10I will give you an example
20:12from the past.
20:14In 2017-2018,
20:16when Nawaz Sharif
20:18was declared ineligible
20:20by the Supreme Court
20:22and he was in jail,
20:24no one imagined
20:26that he would be released
20:28from jail.
20:30The military leadership
20:32at that time
20:34had the same views
20:36as today's military leadership
20:38This is Pakistan.
20:40If Nawaz Sharif is released
20:42from jail,
20:44his disqualification
20:46may end.
20:48But for this,
20:50Imran Khan will have to
20:52do what Nawaz Sharif did.
20:54Compromise.
20:56A deal of principles.
20:58If Imran Khan also
21:00compromised,
21:02then he will be released
21:04from jail.
21:06Our leader is very acceptable.
21:08If this acceptance ends,
21:10then you have to
21:12choose one of the two.
21:14Either you come out of jail
21:16by making a deal,
21:18or you keep your acceptance.
21:20This is the real
21:22problem of Pakistan's politics.
21:24If Imran Khan has to
21:26come out of jail,
21:28then he will have to become
21:30Nawaz Sharif.
21:32Mir sahib,
21:34did you have any direct contact
21:36with Faiz Hameed sahib?
21:38You gave a speech
21:40during the arrest of
21:42Asad Toor sahib.
21:44He was the one
21:46who criticized you.
21:48Did you have to suffer
21:50after that?
21:52Innocent question.
21:54You asked an innocent question.
21:56I will tell you some details.
21:58Just tell me
22:00the details
22:02so that you can understand.
22:04Yes, so that you can understand.
22:06In those days,
22:08there were many journalists,
22:10human rights activists,
22:12who were picked up,
22:14beaten up and left.
22:16They did not report.
22:18Now, many incidents
22:20have happened.
22:22When Asad Toor was killed
22:24in his house,
22:26he reported it.
22:28I did not know Asad Toor
22:30at that time.
22:32When the first demonstration
22:34against Asad Toor took place,
22:36no one told me about it.
22:38I did not go there.
22:40After that,
22:42Islamabad Press Club
22:44and PFUJ organized
22:46another demonstration.
22:48I was called there.
22:50I went there for a while
22:52and was going back
22:54without giving a speech.
22:56Suddenly, Asad Toor sahib
22:58called me.
23:00He said,
23:02I have been beaten up.
23:04I have been injured.
23:06He said,
23:08this is the action
23:10of a girl's brother.
23:12I was very angry.
23:14I knew who was doing this.
23:16I gave a speech.
23:18I did not take anyone's name.
23:20I gave a speech.
23:22I gave a speech.
23:24I gave a speech.
23:26I spoke about Asad Toor.
23:28That evening,
23:30Shahzaib Khanzada
23:32called me to his show.
23:34I made another announcement
23:36there that
23:38there is pressure on Asad Zardari
23:40that just like Nawaz Sharif
23:42has left Pakistan,
23:44you also leave Pakistan
23:46on medical grounds.
23:48Allah Allah, Khair Salah.
23:50But Zardari has refused.
23:52Faiz sahib was doing this.
23:54Till 10 or 11 pm,
23:56the situation was not so bad.
23:58I spoke about this that night.
24:00You check the record.
24:02So, my
24:04matters got tight.
24:06After that, there was pressure.
24:08It is a long story.
24:10Now, I was restricted.
24:12When I was restricted,
24:14he said, apologize.
24:16I said, I do not apologize.
24:18I started writing in Washington Post.
24:20I started writing in DW Urdu.
24:22He thought
24:24we have also suppressed
24:26many people.
24:28He contacted me through my journalist friends.
24:30I said that
24:32if you did not attack Asad Toor,
24:34then catch the people
24:36who have killed Asad Toor.
24:38We have CCTV footage of them.
24:40You can catch them.
24:42If the premier intelligence agency
24:44thinks that
24:46their leaders have not done this,
24:48then catch the people.
25:20I went to the ISI headquarter, a place on Margalla road where most of the politicians meet them.
25:28I went there and took two journalists with me.
25:31Two great leaders of the journalists.
25:33I told them to go with me as witnesses.
25:36When we went there, we thought that the people who were attacking Asatur would have been arrested.
25:43And we would be told that the people have been arrested.
25:45We asked them where the people were.
25:47They said that they haven't been arrested yet.
25:50We asked them when they would be arrested.
25:52They said that they would be arrested by tomorrow.
25:56When there was a lot of argument, they said that they would be arrested by tonight.
26:01But you should calm down the situation.
26:04They said that they had another assistant with them, Mr. Rehmat.
26:12He was a subordinate of Mr. Faiz.
26:16When we came back, Mr. Rehmat came behind me.
26:19He said that there was another issue.
26:21I asked him what that issue was.
26:23He said that you said that someone's wife had shot someone.
26:27I will tell you that as well.
26:29I asked him to clear that as well.
26:31I told him to first present the people who were attacking Asatur.
26:36He said that you should solve this issue as well.
26:39I asked him what the issue was.
26:41He said that a few years ago, there was an attack in Karachi.
26:45Mr. Faiz tried to stop that attack.
26:49A dacoit shot him and he was shot.
26:52I asked him what the issue was.
26:54He said that there must be an FIR.
26:56A dacoit shot a military officer.
26:58There must be an FIR.
27:00I asked him to give me a copy of the FIR.
27:02I will clarify that as well.
27:04Mr. Badami, neither the people who attacked Asatur were arrested.
27:09Nor did anyone give me the FIR after that.
27:13This means that Mr. Faiz's system was based on lies.
27:17He had lied to a lot of people.
27:20One of his lies was caught by Mr. Akram Sheikh, the ex-president of the Supreme Court Bar.
27:26He was writing a book.
27:28When he included Mr. Faiz's lie in that book,
27:32his house was attacked in Islamabad.
27:35He also snatched the copy of the book from him.
27:38Yes, I remember that.
27:41I told you that I had a direct relationship with him.
27:46It was very interesting.
27:48I found out that he lied a lot.
27:51Before we leave, Mr. Mir, let me tell you something.
27:54Today, your video has become an adornment of Twitter.
27:59You are in Islamabad.
28:02You look like a journalist.
28:05A friend of yours is upset with you.
28:09He is raising his hand to shake hands with you.
28:12He is not doing that.
28:14He is asking you if you are a journalist.
28:17What happened?
28:19It's not like that.
28:21Actually, I had another case today.
28:25I filed a petition against Mr. Arshad Sharif.
28:30The Islamabad High Court told me that
28:33I should submit a list of journalists who were killed in 2024.
28:38I had to submit that list.
28:41I was going to the registrar's office.
28:44When I came in, I saw a man.
28:49I saw him from a distance.
28:51Two or three days ago, I came to the Islamabad High Court
28:54to file a petition against the firewall.
28:57That man made a video of me and posted it.
29:01He commented on Iman Mazari that
29:05Hamid Mir has filed a case against him.
29:08I said, he is the same man who tweeted about Iman Mazari.
29:11That tweet was very inappropriate.
29:16I thought it was from the Noon Leak account.
29:20I saw that man.
29:22I said, he made a video of me on Friday.
29:25I asked him if he was from Noon Leak.
29:28He said, yes, I am from Noon Leak.
29:32A journalist came to me from the left side.
29:38He shook my hand.
29:40I didn't see him properly.
29:42My focus was on something else.
29:45Someone told me later that he was a camera man for a TV channel.
29:50I said, it was a misunderstanding.
29:52I am sorry for that.
29:54I apologize to that journalist as well.
29:58The Noon Leak Media Cell tried to make an issue out of it.
30:03They didn't shake my hand properly.
30:06I didn't shake his hand.
30:08I was confused.
30:10He has no objection.
30:12I have nothing to do with him.
30:14He has an objection.
30:16Mr. Badami, you must remember.
30:18When PTI was in power,
30:20PTI's Media Cell used to do this to us.
30:23Today, Noon Leak's Media Cell does this to us.
30:28Thank you very much.
30:30We will be back after the break.
30:56I will cut it short.
31:22Today, the Prime Minister criticized this announcement.
31:25He said, it is a stupid announcement.
31:27It is a problem for us.
31:29Mr. Ghani said, for two months,
31:31you will save Rs. 45 billion.
31:33It will benefit one customer.
31:35It will be worth Rs. 5,000.
31:37You will save Rs. 45 billion.
31:39How much more can you do with it?
31:41The Punjab government said,
31:43we spent our budget on this.
31:45Then, Mr. Farooq Sattar said,
31:49this is for political gain.
31:51Leave the rest of the country.
31:53Take care of your own people.
31:55I have with me, Mr. Mustafa Kamal.
31:57Of course, he is the Senior Convener of MKM Pakistan.
31:59We will talk to him.
32:01Mr. Kamal, thank you for your time.
32:03The question is simple.
32:05Do you think that
32:07Ms. Maryam or Mr. Musnir did a good thing?
32:10And this should happen in Sindh as well.
32:13Or do you think this is a non-starter?
32:15Mr. Farooq Sattar said,
32:17this is for political gain.
32:19Otherwise, what will happen in two months
32:21if Rs. 14 is reduced?
32:23What is your opinion on this?
32:25No, no.
32:27We think this is a good step.
32:29They are working.
32:31They are active.
32:33There is a difference
32:35between the Punjab government
32:37and the previous government.
32:39People are also asking questions.
32:41Our issue is that
32:43the Punjab government
32:45is talking about electricity.
32:47We can show you a series of our activities.
32:49But,
32:51soon after this budget,
32:53the problems in prices,
32:55the high inflation,
32:57the taxes,
32:59and the ambitious
33:01budget
33:03of Rs. 12,000,
33:05Rs. 900,
33:07Rs. 13,000 tax
33:09that has been set.
33:11For the next IMF deal,
33:13the conditions that have been set,
33:15after that,
33:17a common man's life
33:19has become a burden.
33:21As you know,
33:23Karachi earns
33:25more than 50% of Pakistan's revenue.
33:27Even in this difficult situation,
33:2950% of Pakistan's export
33:31is based in Karachi.
33:33So, industries
33:35are shutting down here.
33:37As you know,
33:39there are 6 cents per unit charge
33:41and we are giving
33:4316 cents per unit charge.
33:45After that,
33:47the issue of
33:49capacity payments came up.
33:51We did the detailing
33:53and did the research.
33:55Alhamdulillah,
33:57we have the option
33:59to talk to people.
34:01We don't need any protests.
34:03We don't need to block
34:05any road.
34:07Allah has given us the ability
34:09to take time from the Prime Minister
34:11and people's issues.
34:13But, Mr. Mushtaq,
34:15this particular demand
34:17should be made by the Prime Minister.
34:19He is the Chief Executive of a province
34:21and he has a budget.
34:23For example,
34:25he took out Rs. 5 out of Rs. 100
34:27and made it Rs. 95.
34:29He gave relief to his people
34:31for 2 months.
34:33What can Mr. Mariam Nawazani do?
34:35Your Prime Minister will also do it.
34:37Mr. Wasim,
34:39just give me a minute.
34:41Let me continue.
34:43When I told you the background,
34:45these were the issues of the people.
34:47People were not able to pay their bills
34:49and the impact of electricity
34:51was there.
34:53So, we went to the Prime Minister.
34:55We were both in the leadership of
34:57Khalid Mughal.
34:59The Prime Minister called the
35:01Power Minister and the Information Minister.
35:03The Deputy Prime Minister
35:05and the Foreign Minister were also there.
35:07His staff and young people were also there.
35:09His entire team was there.
35:11We kept a complete case.
35:13This was a long time ago.
35:15We kept a complete case.
35:17We told them all the studies and numbers.
35:19We told them that this will not work.
35:21Our calculation is that
35:23with the capacity charges
35:25and the redundancy,
35:27it will not work.
35:29We told our delegation,
35:31Mr. Khalid Mughal and Mr. Mustafa Kawal,
35:33that this is our demand.
35:35This is our demand.
35:37We have to pay the electricity bills.
35:39They held our meeting from there.
35:41They held our meeting
35:43with the Power Minister.
35:45They said that the detailing that we have decided,
35:47you do not have to talk about this outside.
35:49We want to take you on board.
35:51What are we doing now?
35:53The next day, the Deputy Secretary of the Prime Minister
35:55sat with us in that meeting.
35:57I took all my MNAs
35:59and went to the Power Minister.
36:01We had a briefing.
36:03On that day, the Prime Minister told us
36:05that our Information Minister,
36:07Mr. Attaullah Tariq
36:09and
36:11Mr. Mustafa Kamal,
36:13both of us held a press conference
36:15on these electricity bills and IPPs.
36:17I want to tell you
36:19that our problem is not with the Punjab government.
36:21What I said yesterday
36:23and the day before yesterday,
36:25we did not have a meeting
36:27with the Prime Minister
36:29to hold a press conference
36:31that the electricity bill in Punjab
36:33has been reduced by Rs. 14.
36:35From where I am from,
36:37I have only seen the news.
36:39We had a meeting with the Prime Minister
36:41so that the electricity bill in Punjab
36:43is reduced.
36:45It is possible that the Prime Minister
36:47will say that the steps taken
36:49by the Prime Minister
36:51will have an impact on the whole of Pakistan.
36:53The Chief Executive of a province
36:55has made a decision for its people.
36:57I want to tell the Prime Minister
36:59that this problem is in the whole of the country.
37:01From where I belong,
37:03there is a lot of it here.
37:05Alhamdulillah, people in Punjab
37:07are still happier than before.
37:09They should be aware of this sensitivity.
37:11If this is what you are saying,
37:13then the Prime Minister should say it.
37:15We should not get news
37:17from these sources
37:19that the Prime Minister of Punjab
37:21has done this.
37:23You should also talk to your Prime Minister.
37:25You know how our relations
37:27are with the People's Party.
37:29We have done CBMs.
37:31We have also met
37:33Bilawal Bhutto Zardari.
37:35We have also met Zardari.
37:37We do not have any fight.
37:39But we have a history.
37:41We always complain that
37:43the Sindh government does not treat
37:45Karachi and Hyderabad well.
37:47We always complain that
37:49we are not a part of their governance.
37:51How can you tell us in these circumstances?
37:53If we were in such good conditions,
37:55we would have come to you
37:57four months before the elections
37:59and expressed our unconditional support.
38:01And we are still standing
38:03on that unconditional support.
38:05I request the Prime Minister
38:07that this is a sensitivity
38:09in the whole of Pakistan.
38:11You know that when a press conference
38:13will be held in Punjab,
38:15the people of the three provinces
38:17will wonder who we are.
38:19I think the Prime Minister should
38:21answer this question.
38:23We have been told
38:25that we will get relief.
38:27We have been shown working.
38:29We should announce that relief
38:31to the whole country.
38:33And it should not be that
38:35electricity in Punjab is at one price
38:37and electricity in Sindh is at another.
38:39If someone should get rebate,
38:41the industries should get it.
38:43The workers should get it.
38:45Karachi is a port city.
38:47It exports more than 50% of Pakistan.
38:49If someone should get relief,
38:51we should get it.
38:53And if you are asking me
38:55to talk to the Prime Minister,
38:57then you should make us sit
38:59and talk to him.
39:01The Prime Minister is senior.
39:03He should talk to the Prime Minister
39:05of the People's Party and the MQM.
39:07He should sit in the middle.
39:09He will say,
39:11let me run my province.
39:13I know how to run my province.
39:15Let me talk to the Prime Minister
39:17He is not the Prime Minister of Islamabad.
39:19He is the Prime Minister of Pakistan.
39:21The province is under the jurisdiction
39:23of Pakistan.
39:25And the population of Pakistan
39:27is 24 crore.
39:29And the population of Pakistan
39:31is not 15 crore or 12 crore.
39:33You will understand
39:35what I am trying to say.
39:37The population of Pakistan is 24 crore.
39:39And Pakistan becomes Pakistan
39:41by including all four provinces.
39:43So Islamabad is not only Pakistan
39:45Punjab is not only Pakistan.
39:49You see how civilized
39:51the people of Karachi and the MQM
39:53have become.
39:55They are not protesting against
39:57or blocking the roads.
39:59But we are saying
40:01that Karachi shares
40:03what Pakistan earns.
40:05So you want the Sindh government
40:07to reduce the budget
40:09and reduce the infrastructure.
40:11But for now,
40:13You see,
40:15this should happen
40:17from both sides.
40:19Basically, the power sector
40:21at the federal level,
40:23we have a complete briefing
40:25and all the details.
40:27The redundant IPPs
40:29should be out of the system.
40:31Those who don't have the capacity
40:33and those who are dead,
40:35their money is also being spent.
40:37Then the difference
40:39that we have
40:41in terms of capacity,
40:43generation and demand.
40:45What is the problem now?
40:47We have more electricity
40:49and our demand is less.
40:51And the demand is less
40:53and you have to pay for it.
40:55And who is paying that money?
40:57The one who is already paying.
40:59So what you have to do
41:01is increase the consumers.
41:03How will the consumers increase?
41:05There is industrialization.
41:07You are occupying land here.
41:09Till the time you have industries,
41:11there will be exports,
41:13you will give them electricity.
41:15Today, the electricity of the consumers
41:17will reduce.
41:19You have kept your dollar stable.
41:21What has happened in Pakistan?
41:23When the dollar has gone up,
41:25your capacity charges have already increased.
41:27We have an idea of this.
41:29In our closed door meeting,
41:31you cannot do a single rupee
41:33or a single paisa
41:35without the approval of the IMF.
41:37We understand the sensitivity of this.
41:39But, God forbid,
41:41the IMF is not saying
41:43that the country should be destroyed.
41:45It is not even saying this.
41:47I think there is a lot of room
41:49to give relief to the people.
41:51If we fix our bad deals,
41:53our bad management,
41:55our leakages,
41:57our infrastructure,
41:59we can give people their return.
42:01So, towards the end,
42:03if your industries are closed
42:05and your workers are laid off,
42:07you have to earn Rs. 13,000.
42:09Where will you get Rs. 13,000
42:11from if your industries are closed?
42:13But, towards the end,
42:15Mr. Farooq Sattar says
42:17that this is just the opinion of the Punjabis.
42:19He has announced this for himself.
42:21And, God forbid,
42:23civil disobedience will start in the country.
42:25Does this reflect the MQM policy?
42:27Is this the MQM policy statement?
42:31The MQM policy statement
42:33has been mentioned
42:35in his press conference today.
42:37Civil disobedience,
42:39what we are talking to you about,
42:41we will talk about this
42:43in civil disobedience as well.
42:45We will request you,
42:47we will make requests,
42:49what else will we do?
42:51But, civil disobedience starts
42:53when the bill is burnt.
42:55No, we should not even do that.
42:57After the bill is burnt,
42:59after two months,
43:01in fact, after 15 days,
43:03you start the payment.
43:05The water was very cold
43:07and it was cold.
43:09So, I think such a civil disobedience,
43:11then we should negotiate.
43:13So,
43:15civil disobedience means
43:17that this is a protest.
43:19It is not that kind of civil disobedience.
43:21Yes, and I think it will not reach.
43:23Believe me, I am very positive
43:25and I am still optimistic.
43:27You have a lot of expectations
43:29from the government.
43:33But you do not have
43:35any expectations from the government
43:37because of many reasons.
43:39No, no.
43:41Look, Mr. Waseem Badami,
43:43we have a quota system,
43:45which we do not even get a quota for.
43:47Not for a day or two.
43:49You said that you do not have any expectations.
43:51Listen to me.
43:53When we get a quota
43:55of 40%,
43:57they make a fake domicile
43:59and do not even give us a quota of 40%.
44:01We do not get drinking water.
44:03They do not give us a job.
44:05They do not give us an investment.
44:07So, what can we do?
44:09We want the situation to improve.
44:11Thank you very much.
44:13We will conclude after the break.