No more red sleeves?! Matthew Judon traded to Falcons for a 3rd rounder!
No more red sleeves?! Matthew Judon traded to Falcons for a 3rd rounder! Did the Pats get enough? Was the situation too far gone, that a 3rd was a good return? Thoughts on Judon deal?
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00:00about Matthew Judon who is no longer a New England Patriot and you got yourself
00:07a third round pick for Matthew Judon who was upset with the fact that they
00:13wouldn't pay him any more money here so you could say goodbye to Matthew Judon
00:18Wiggy you like the deal? Yeah I like it. You had no choices. I think at this point
00:23you you knew you weren't gonna pay him because if you probably said to him hey
00:28listen just go out there let's see how you look in the first couple of games
00:31if you look like you're back to your regular self we'll give you some more
00:35money but they probably didn't say that so now you knew like all right there was
00:40probably gonna be some issues in the sense where you know maybe halfway
00:44through the season his back starts to get a little bit a little bit tight
00:47right you know he's having migraines whatever it is you know I listen it's
00:54you say it all the time and you and I tend to disagree sometimes which is what
00:59America is about but you believe that the only option that a player has is to
01:06hold out or hold in or make his demands and if the value is there then I guess
01:13the team will submit and if the value isn't or you're not a part of the future
01:18as you said earlier then it is deuces it is see you later yeah thanks for your
01:24service and don't you think you've got a little bit too far gone once you bring
01:27in the social media aspect and things that judan said I don't even take into
01:31account his little spat on the sideline with our garage mayo I think that's
01:34worse I like I like the social me I mean you and I are you and I would probably
01:39disagree about this too yes the social media I could care less but you're
01:43sitting there you know dressing down your head coach who's a new head coach
01:48in front of everybody yeah media players other coaches I mean I you know
01:54that doesn't generally go well no wherever you do it yeah I'm kind of like
01:59with Greg on this one like I don't think the social social media means anything
02:03nowadays guys look at it like coaches I'm saying people look at it and you
02:08know like I these guys go out there and they kind of get in the heat of the
02:11moment but in this state that the Patriots are in if I'm Robert Kraft and I
02:14see Matt Jude on running his mouth on social media are telling fans to you
02:18know harass Elliott Wolfe and Matt grow that to me is harder to take back than a
02:25relationship between he and Gerard Mayo which I believe they have a very close
02:28relationship so one meeting can fix but I think it was a Robert Kraft thing
02:31though I don't think Robert Kraft enjoyed the look no no no I'm saying do
02:35you think he had not that he didn't have any say-so in it but do you think he was
02:40like even a part of it or I think he was a part of it or did they go to Robert
02:44and Elliott Wolfe go to him say hey listen we can't do nothing with this guy
02:47and then I think Robert probably said we're not giving him any more I mean I
02:51if they went to him and said you want to give more money I think he may have said
02:55no he's 32 years old and we are you know I I do believe Robert Kraft is willing
03:02to open up the the checkbook or a you know a potential to wide receiver weapon
03:11that can change the the trajectory at some point of the franchise but I don't
03:16think you wanted to pay Matt you know right but but I don't think it even got
03:19to him probably right that well that's what I'm saying I think they probably
03:22were like they made the decision and when I say they Elliott Wolfe and the
03:26people in that front office macro to go it's not worth paying this guy because I
03:32think if they go it's worth paying them and they run it up to Robert yeah it
03:35might be a good chance that they give them some money maybe this is David in
03:40the car hello David I good morning everyone thank you for the last couple
03:45of days what you guys do when you're involved in that I just want to say it's
03:50extremely appreciated important it's such a need that well you think it's
03:55it's incredible it started here 22 years ago so before any of us and it's been
04:03something that this radio station has embraced and has Nesson got involved and
04:11Nesson does a great job it's just an incredible couple of days the two most
04:15important days of the year here so I as I said at the start of the show I would
04:20expect it last I checked last night three over 3.4 million dollars had been
04:26donated and when everything is added up and thrown into the kitty I would
04:30imagine that we will I would hope that we will be over four million dollars
04:35again and I will update you on that this morning but you were calling about
04:38Matthew Drew David yes I think it's a mistake and I and this is why I say that
04:43you know the Patriots have an issue you know they need leadership so when you
04:48let go of a veteran you let go of leadership and that is a fact I don't
04:52care what anybody says yeah we got a load of something got a third-round pick
04:55but the problem that I see is you know when I was watching the game last week
04:58we have a bunch of coaches on this team that they look disgruntled they look I
05:04don't want to say disgruntled let me back that up they look like a bunch you
05:08know high school coaches that just got into the job and and they like they kind
05:14of like overwhelmed yeah and this team is overwhelmed this team is extremely
05:18overwhelmed and when you let go of a leader that you need you need whatever
05:21leadership you can keep on that locker room and that you don't was a leader and
05:25it's gonna hurt you Steve well listen they end up getting a third-round pick
05:29chime and and wiggy I think both said that they did not expect that they would
05:34get that high of a pick nope and I think we are all going to have to accept the
05:39reality the unfortunate reality at some point maybe that this team this
05:48destination is one that is not going to be attractive in any way shape or form I
05:55don't care how much money is attached to it mm-hmm to a legit talented free agent
06:02therefore I hate saying this you are going to have to build this team through
06:10the draft and that is the only way that you are gonna be able to build this
06:14football see I think you'll be able to sign free agent when you learn other
06:17where you just were you just able to okay with with when what do you mean
06:23this offseason with Iuk Iuk's not a free agent you offered him a contract he just
06:27wants to stay in the in San Francisco that's a whole different ball game like
06:31I mean you look at teams across the NFL who have historically been awful like
06:35Jacksonville or Cleveland or Tampa Bay and they can sign people did Brandon Iuk
06:39want to come here he didn't want to go anywhere Greg that's why he's not in
06:42Cleveland that's why he's not in New England that's why he's not in Pittsburgh
06:44because he just wants to be in San Francisco and he's just trying to
06:47leverage as much money as I can I hope you're right I hate saying it but a San
06:51Francisco I just uh-huh this is a good conversation that you're actually having
06:55because first we start with Calvin Ridley right correct so then when you
07:02think of free age what about D hop but D hops another one I think that's
07:07different though because that was a fully Belichick thing this is post
07:11and Iuk is a trade right so generally the player doesn't have any real
07:16control of where he goes when he's getting traded like Matthew Judd on
07:21didn't have control he couldn't say I don't want to go to Atlanta I mean I
07:25guess he could but then he'd be throwing away a ton of money because he'd have
07:29he'd be sitting out and he'd be getting fined every day but the latest has been
07:32that the 49ers want to keep Iuk but then this they still have the Steelers
07:36deal in place right there is some conversation with Iuk on whether or not
07:41he wants to right there because they're saying they're not that far apart
07:44between the what the 49ers are offering him and what he wants right but yeah but
07:47your reports the other day was 30 million so but I think that they've
07:51maybe come up since then so you think so you think the 49ers have come up no the
07:57Steelers have come up right so 30 million less than what Iuk wanted from
08:01the Steelers now the 49ers and Iuk there has been some type of conversation
08:05between those two reports are saying and they are not that far away from a
08:09deal either but they still have another Steelers deal on the backburner right
08:13but to Greg's point if if it's not about the money then it's about the landing
08:20spot it's about the destination it's about the the opportunity to win it's
08:25about who the quarterback is it's about the freaking players lounge the the way
08:32the wives are treated the way that I mean like Iuk has nothing to do with
08:36okay Iuk only wants to stay in San Francisco the Patriots had a deal and a
08:42contract on the table he said no the Browns had a contract and a deal on the
08:46table he said no okay I am just preparing you for the eventuality that
08:52the only way to build this team is going to be through the draft and as an
08:56explanation in why for those who are saying geez you got rid of Matt Judon
09:01what's the deal you got a third round pick and you're probably very happy with
09:06that if you're Elliot Wolf because you understand that that's the way you're
09:09gonna have to build your football team and Greg's right because he would have
09:13taken if it was about you know him wanting to to get more money and not he
09:19doesn't care about the family situation or the players money and he wants to be
09:23in San Francisco Courtney that's the whole point okay so then why didn't he
09:26just get to San Francisco because he wants more money as well that's why he's
09:29using all the leverage he has to try and get as much money as he can what's
09:33your excuse when it comes to Ridley when he brought it up yeah the Ridley one was
09:36you didn't pay him enough that's fair I don't I don't disagree with that but
09:39like Greg they through the course of history bad teams have been able to sign
09:44players if they're willing to overspend yes if the Patriots are willing to over
09:46but you but so if the Patriots are willing to overspend then they're gonna
09:50sign free agents it's not a problem I just don't get that because I kind of
09:53agree with chime on IU like if the Patriots offered you the most money why
10:00wouldn't you go there because I think Greg's point he looked at how they treat
10:04players how they treat families and then you go look at the Steelers and their
10:08report card from last season was even worse right but I don't regard but I
10:12Patriot but I why are you not gonna be a right that's why I agree with chime it's
10:15really not about New England for IU he's like this rare breed of he wants to go
10:21back to San Francisco but he wants to get the money I thought I think he
10:25thought that the grass was going to be greener on the other side he went out
10:28looked around and said wait a minute what am I doing and what is he looking
10:33at other than well if he's looking at Pittsburgh in New England or Cleveland
10:38versus San Francisco I don't think there it takes you don't have to be a rocket
10:42scientist to figure out San Francisco's the best place for me to win then you go
10:46okay it must be about the money but if they're offering more money than San
10:50Francisco and he's turning it down he's wanting to stay in San Francisco but
10:56he's wanting to get paid he wants the best of both he's one of those guys
10:59that say hey I want my cake you need it too oh I want my cake can I have cake
11:03for breakfast this is Tim from Hanover hello Tim good morning guys great job
11:11over the last few days I just want to say that Jude on is played it last his
11:19last few years were great you don't see a lot of stuff that he does but he
11:23caused a lot of turmoil on that on that defense I think it's going to bring down
11:27like what he was saying I'm thinking this is what would you get into that
11:31defense is not going to be as strong and I'll tell you what it's going to be a
11:36lesson on Drake may if he does ever get in there because you know what he ain't
11:40going to get that ball too often if that defense is not doing their job then
11:44they're really hardly ever going to see that ball so I think it's all about the
11:49money today it's all about the money for these guys and you've got to be able
11:53to negotiate and get close to it or whatever and these guys aren't spending
11:57it unfortunately I love the team that's the way it goes today okay well Tim
12:02thank you so Matthew Jude on is gone mm-hmm there's a resolution there and
12:07you can talk about that all day long here on Boston Sports Original WEI