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00:00I perceive that jails are forming certain statuses, just like in a common and ordinary population.
00:08So, what you are saying, Jorge, in terms of people looking to appear in the newspapers,
00:15that happens permanently inside the jail.
00:18Inside the jail, right?
00:19Do the criminals want to appear?
00:21For them, it is of vital importance to appear in the newspapers
00:25or to consume a criminal act that prestiges it inside the population.
00:30I don't know what this phenomenon is, psychologically, but it exists.
00:34And it also exists, logically, because of the situation of housing they live in,
00:39of a transmission of knowledge.
00:41The guy who enters through the back door learns to be a lighter,
00:44the one who is a lighter learns to be a blacksmith.
00:46In other words, an experience is transmitted that, later,
00:48in the face of the lack of work, when they are outside, in conditional freedom,
00:54they are forced to use it.
00:56I have in my hands these sheets, which, I don't know if it's true,
01:00it's a legacy that obeys, sorry,
01:03that obeys exactly the certificate of antecedence of the character in question.
01:07So, I wonder what possibilities these individuals have
01:11of not falling into the network of crime as the only alternative that is presented to them.
01:17Interesting question, because I think our experts can talk about it, right?
01:21Of course, I think that, in the case of Ralf,
01:24obviously, the loneliness, the isolation, the poverty of his education,
01:30which is minimal, let's say, he barely knows how to read and write,
01:33and if he does, he knows it.
01:35All these types of circumstances make him very invalid in front of a society,
01:39let's say, and very incapable, let's say, of anything.
01:43Well, as soon as he discovers a love, a partner,
01:47and that partner loves him very much, he begins to create a family.
01:51And I think that, although in the so-called progressive sectors of this society,
01:56let's say, the family becomes a kind of old thing,
01:59which is for display cases, let's say,
02:01I have to tell you that they are wrong,
02:04that they would be nothing without the family that raised them, let's say,
02:07and formed them, and that they don't self-attribute with so much pretension
02:11their ideas and values, because they inherited them from their parents,
02:15and they don't want them, because in the first three years of their lives
02:18they were not leftists, they were just children,
02:20and there they were created, and there they were incorporated.
02:22So, in the case of Ralf, now he is creating a family,
02:25and I think that family is very important.
02:27He is creating a family, and as Andrés raises it,
02:30I think that this pseudo-rehabilitation, let's understand it in this process,
02:35he is just getting out of prison,
02:37he is manifesting intentions of generating a family that he never had.
02:42That lack of affection, that lack of affection,
02:44comes to be translated in a late form in the encounter with a wife.
02:49And I must warn that in this sense,
02:52quite symptomatic things are happening,
02:54which I hope will be projected more frequently in time.
02:57And it is, for example, that even having a paper of antecedents
03:00as charged as the one I have in my power,
03:03he managed to get a license to drive,
03:06he managed to give confidence so that today he can drive a taxi
03:09and manage others.
03:11He has put a small warehouse for his wife.
03:14That is to say, he has a fairly healthy life project.
03:17And I wonder, Alfragor, from this journalistic concern,
03:20what is the project as an individual,
03:23what permanence in time can this rehabilitation have?
03:28As he really manages to find this affection, this love,
03:33he manages to maintain and develop it,
03:36obviously it will be able to be projected as well, as seen in practice,
03:39in work, and somehow he will have incorporated new moral and ethical norms
03:44that will allow him to readapt to our society
03:47and I would say that the probability in this aspect would be very good.
03:50But this cannot be generalized.
03:52In our interview that we have done in depth with some other prisoners
03:56who today, unfortunately, are on the street,
03:59they, on the other hand, have manifested that they will continue to commit crimes
04:04because it is a good way to earn money easily,
04:08which is something that we have also touched on here.
04:10That is, they have not assimilated that this social adaptation
04:13also incites norms and ethics and values,
04:16but they consider that they earn much more by stealing,
04:19even when they assume this risk and are detained,
04:21than the fact of settling in society,
04:24which eventually means earning less,
04:26but with an absolutely quiet thing, with participation, etc.
04:29Well, as you can see, we are already finishing these reflections of mea culpa.
04:34I want to thank, as always, our guests who have accompanied us on this opportunity.
04:38I want to tell you that this program seems very interesting to us,
04:42because it certainly touches on one of the most sensitive issues for the population of our country,
04:46that of delinquency.
04:48And it will never be too late to know, in part, even if it is,
04:50what are the factors that motivate a human being,
04:53any of our compatriots,
04:55suddenly to commit crimes,
04:57which are often extremely serious.
05:00We want to thank you for tuning in,
05:02and invite you next Wednesday to another mea culpa.
05:04Thank you very much and good night.
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