In this edition of The Big 3 NBA Podcast, A. Sherrod Blakely, Gary Washburn, and Kwani Lunis discuss Jaylen Brown's comments in Las Vegas regarding Nike, Derrick White, etc., in addition to the Celtics’ summer league squad which is coming off a convincing win over the Los Angeles Lakers and the much-talked-about Bronny James.
Join the conversation as Jaylen Brown's feelings of being snubbed by Team USA due to Nike come to light, fueling his determination to prove himself. Dive into the Summer League action with insights on players like Neemias Queta, Drew Peterson, and JD Davidson, analyzing their strengths and areas for improvement. Discover how Bronny James faced challenges on the court, drawing comparisons and raising concerns about his readiness for the NBA. Explore contrasting narratives with Joe Mazzulla's championship journey, emphasizing family, personal growth, and motivation in the competitive basketball landscape. Tune in for a dynamic blend of player analyses, personal reflections, and the highs and lows of the basketball world!
0:00 - Intro
4:28 - Jaylen's Disappointment with Team USA Selection
6:11 - Need for Transparency in Team Selection
8:43 - Queta's Consistent Summer Performance
10:23 - Queta's Improvement in Summer League
12:32 - Peterson's G League Performance
14:30 - Peterson's Potential as Sam Hauser's Successor
16:23 - Peterson's development expectations
20:09 - JD's court recognition
22:00 - JD's summer league progress
23:38 - Signs of progress
26:13 - Crowd's support for Bronny
32:51 - LeBron's dream
39:00 - Bronny's scrutiny
41:00 - Elevating basic plays
42:45 - Mental and skill challenges
44:18 - Lack of support
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Join the conversation as Jaylen Brown's feelings of being snubbed by Team USA due to Nike come to light, fueling his determination to prove himself. Dive into the Summer League action with insights on players like Neemias Queta, Drew Peterson, and JD Davidson, analyzing their strengths and areas for improvement. Discover how Bronny James faced challenges on the court, drawing comparisons and raising concerns about his readiness for the NBA. Explore contrasting narratives with Joe Mazzulla's championship journey, emphasizing family, personal growth, and motivation in the competitive basketball landscape. Tune in for a dynamic blend of player analyses, personal reflections, and the highs and lows of the basketball world!
0:00 - Intro
4:28 - Jaylen's Disappointment with Team USA Selection
6:11 - Need for Transparency in Team Selection
8:43 - Queta's Consistent Summer Performance
10:23 - Queta's Improvement in Summer League
12:32 - Peterson's G League Performance
14:30 - Peterson's Potential as Sam Hauser's Successor
16:23 - Peterson's development expectations
20:09 - JD's court recognition
22:00 - JD's summer league progress
23:38 - Signs of progress
26:13 - Crowd's support for Bronny
32:51 - LeBron's dream
39:00 - Bronny's scrutiny
41:00 - Elevating basic plays
42:45 - Mental and skill challenges
44:18 - Lack of support
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00:00Up for the layup, oh, blocked by James!
00:03Larry Burns scores 60 points.
00:05Look at the Boston players marveling.
00:07Michael Jordan is not only the best basketball player,
00:09but he's the most exciting basketball player to ever play.
00:12Retainer fires away.
00:14Puffs it in, 51 for Jason Sanders.
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00:25Hey everyone, welcome to the Big 3 NBA podcast.
00:27I'm Kwanye Lunas, joined, as always, with Charade Blakey.
00:31Gary Washburn, almost forgot your names.
00:33Summer league season is upon us,
00:35but before we even get into that,
00:37let's start with the most pertinent information
00:40that we just got 24 hours ago.
00:43Jalen Brown talking to the media about
00:46why he feels as though he was left off of Team USA.
00:49Gary, you were there. Charade's already smiling.
00:52Let's get into it.
00:53He admitted he thinks that Nike is a reason
00:55why he wasn't selected to be a reserve for this team.
00:58So what do you two make of his comments?
01:00And just being bold enough to even say that to the public too.
01:03I'm going to let Gary carry the big weight on this,
01:06but I just want to say one thing.
01:07I am glad, I am glad that Jalen Brown,
01:11in his own low-key but very real way,
01:14pointed out he's got, and Gary knows where I'm going with this,
01:18he's got his own sucker list.
01:20Fellas that are on that list,
01:22that he is going to be looking at very closely once the season starts.
01:27Talked about motivation and all that.
01:30I'm feeling that energy, Jalen.
01:32I am so feeling that energy.
01:35Gary, I'm curious to hear your thoughts.
01:37Because you opened that sucker's list door with your question
01:41during the interview, Charade.
01:45Yeah, I mean, he was there with,
01:48I don't know how to pronounce her first name.
01:51Kisra, Kaisri, Gonjazek?
01:54Kaiser.
01:56Kaiser.
01:57Okay, like the hospital.
01:59It's okay.
02:00Kaiser, Gonjazek, and then Angel.
02:02WNBA player.
02:03So that was kind of, you know, mad, kind of random.
02:07I know that Gonjazek and Reese used to be kind of teammates for a minute
02:11with the Sky.
02:12She got away from the Sky like about a month ago or something.
02:15It was around the time when she was on the floor with Jalen Brown.
02:21Yeah, right before then, I think, yeah.
02:24So she got waved.
02:27But, you know, now she's winning with Jalen, apparently.
02:30She's doing all right.
02:32Angel Reese was there.
02:36Angel Reese, the Chicago Sky, playing the Las Vegas Aces tonight.
02:41So that's a big game right before the All-Star break.
02:44So Jalen gladly talked to us.
02:47He seemed to be in good spirits.
02:49He had an NBA Finals cap on, the Celtics with the Celtics logo.
02:54Like, he was chilling.
02:56And he just basically told us that he, you know,
02:58he wanted to I think make clear evidently, obviously,
03:01that he was good with Derek White.
03:04It was not an issue with Derek White making the team.
03:07He said he called Derek.
03:08He let him know he loved him, that he was happy for him,
03:11and he's happy for the rest of the guys who made Team USA.
03:14But he does feel slighted.
03:16He does feel Nike has something to do with him not being included on the team,
03:21regardless of the reasons you can come up with, with, oh, well,
03:25you know, they need more guards and all.
03:28You know, I mean, you know,
03:30I just think I've seen some people try to explain this basketball-wise,
03:34and it just doesn't make sense.
03:36It just doesn't.
03:38Like I said, I think Derek White's a great player,
03:40and he should be on the team also.
03:42But for Jalen not to even get a sniff of this,
03:46is something that I think is very political,
03:49and I think it's very intentional.
03:51And I think Jalen agrees.
03:52But he said he sounded optimistic, happy about the season coming up.
03:57Sounds like he's still kind of in celebratory mode a little bit,
04:00but he knows the team's going to have to get down to business,
04:03obviously, in the next couple of weeks,
04:05starting to prepare for off-season workouts
04:07and starting to get back and ramping up in that shape.
04:10Obviously, I think their training camp starts in about two months,
04:14a little bit more than that,
04:15because they go start the season early with those two games in Abu Dhabi.
04:21I'll butcher that to the Emirates, United Emirates with the Nuggets.
04:26So he seemed in good spirits,
04:28but he definitely wanted to know, A, that he does think Nike has something to do with it,
04:32and B, he's really good with Derek White,
04:34and he has no animosity toward this decision.
04:37I think he has more animosity toward just the process.
04:43And that makes sense,
04:44but it doesn't in any way, shape, or form explain
04:49or give you some sense of why he didn't make it clear from the very beginning
04:53that he was cool with Derek.
04:55I mean, that was really the issue that most people had with Jalen's gripe.
04:59I mean, I think most people would agree that Jalen should be on that team.
05:03When you start looking at the guys on that squad
05:05and you start looking at the body of work that Jalen Brown has put together,
05:09not just this year, but really the last couple of years,
05:12he really should have been on that team and it shouldn't have been an issue.
05:15But for you to not be in a team,
05:18and then for the spot that would have, in theory, gone to you,
05:21going to one of your teammates,
05:22for you not to be vocally supportive of them from the very minute they got that spot,
05:27that's where the problems arose.
05:29I mean, I'm curious to hear Jalen speak more about just the Nike role,
05:34because he sounds like he got some receipts.
05:35I mean, you listen to the way he talked,
05:38the rest of the story will come out.
05:40You better come with some receipts if you're talking like that,
05:44because we all have seen, historically, not just this team,
05:49but Team USA basketball has been, to some degree, political.
05:53I mean, you're telling me you're going to put together a dream team,
05:56but you don't got Isaiah Thomas on it?
05:58Come on now.
05:59I mean, you start looking at it, and there was some undeniable politics going on there.
06:05So Jalen's point is it's a legitimate one, and it's one that we've seen before,
06:10but I'm hoping that as he talks more about this
06:13and really tries to clear the air and squash this once and for all,
06:16that he brings some receipts to the conversation so that we can say,
06:19oh, Nike did what?
06:21They said this.
06:22You got that receipt?
06:23Okay.
06:24That's the kind of stuff that Jalen needs to do if he really wants this thing to,
06:28one, be squashed, and, or, two,
06:31bring about some substantive and significant changes to the process,
06:35because as you pointed out, Gary,
06:37that is the one thing that as I listen to Jalen talk more and more about this,
06:40it seems that's the issue, that there is a protocol that goes down when these teams are selected,
06:46that there's a high level that lacks transparency, that there are elements.
06:52Like there's not even a real tryout.
06:54I mean, I think back to, you know, like years ago when Dan Marley made the Olympic team.
07:00He only made that team because they had tryouts, and he busts everybody's ass.
07:04I mean, there was no way some kid from central Michigan was going to make the damn Olympic team
07:09unless he was balling out, and that's what he did.
07:12And you would hope that at some point maybe Team USA would get back to its roots
07:17and actually have true and fair competition for these spots.
07:20And if you made the team the previous four years,
07:23then maybe you have a select number of guys that get it automatically.
07:27It feels like there should be some level of tryouts for this thing
07:32and not just guys automatically, you know, ordained as,
07:36you're going to be an Olympian, and you're going to be an Olympian, and you will not be an Olympian
07:40even though you got NBA finals and, you know, Eastern Conference final.
07:44And until like two, three weeks ago, you were the highest paid dude in the NBA.
07:50So anyway, I feel, Jalen, I just wish you to talk more about Derek White on the front end
07:54and just kind of made that a non-story because it was a story for a minute there.
07:58I think anyone that follows the Celtics, though, understands that he has a level of respect
08:03for all of his teammates where it was never about them.
08:06It was more so about Nike.
08:08But to your point, it will always be a story just because it is still controversial.
08:12But to your point, he needs to pull those receipts out because we would all love to, I'm sure, read them.
08:18But let's get into Summer League.
08:21The Celtics taking on their favorite rival, the Lakers.
08:25Of course, still Summer League rosters, not really that rivalry.
08:28But the Celtics win.
08:30Ronnie struggles, but we'll focus on the Celtics first.
08:33Keita, 22 points, eight rebounds.
08:35Drew Peterson, 12 points, five rebounds, three assists.
08:38JD Davidson, 9.7 assists, three rebounds, four turnovers.
08:42But let's start with Keita first.
08:44What did you guys make of his performance in that game versus L.A.?
08:47And do you think he's ready to be in the rotation for the Celtics right now?
08:52I like what I saw out of Keita.
08:54But, you know, you have to look at everything that players do in Summer League with an asterisk.
09:00Like, this was a really good game, asterisk, but he did it against Summer League competition.
09:04But the thing I like about Keita at this point is just he's been consistent.
09:10I mean, that's one of the things that if you're the best player in Summer League on your team,
09:14you should consistently be that guy.
09:16You should be consistently the one player that no matter who you're playing,
09:20you're going to win your matchup.
09:24And he's done that.
09:25And the Celtics, they've invested in this guy.
09:28This is someone that they certainly plan to continue to develop going forward.
09:32And with Kristoff's presumptuous injury, there's going to be an opportunity for Keita to get on the floor sooner rather than later.
09:38But it's not going to be easy.
09:39I mean, Lou Cornett is the heir apparent, you know, to playing minutes as a backup.
09:44And Xavier Tillman, people forget Xavier Tillman was a starter on a playoff team before he came to Boston.
09:49So it's not like, you know, and this will be his first full training camp with the Celtics.
09:53So it's going to be really interesting to see how Keita fits into that mix.
09:57But I do think that as the season wears on, I think he's going to carve out a decent role of some sort for them,
10:02either as a kind of back of the rotation type of guy or a situational player who will come in for certain matchups,
10:09like if you're playing, I don't know, the Sixers and you got Joel and you need as many big men in six files as you can.
10:15He may be a situational guy that they'll look to to get some minutes from in various very specific matchups.
10:22Yeah, I thought he I thought Keita played a lot better than the opener.
10:26He struggled with Miami's goal where I thought it was a little discouraging
10:31because where's a rookie on his first NBA action during the summer?
10:36And he kind of got the best of Keita.
10:38I felt I thought Keita really responded in game two against, you know, not great competition.
10:45Colin Castleton from the Lakers, the guys on another guys on a two way contract.
10:49But he was obviously the best big on the floor.
10:54He got some blocked shots, man.
10:56The paint got rebounds, scored at the rim and a couple of free throws, even got a technical bar with a call.
11:02But showing that fire, it's good.
11:04I mean, you know, he's in his fourth year now.
11:06He needs to be the best, one of the best bigs on the floor every time he hits the floor in summer league.
11:12So I was impressed with his bounce back after that game one.
11:15We'll see what happens in the rest of camp.
11:18I'm sorry, the summer league, you know, they got three more games left.
11:21But I was impressed.
11:23Now, you know, I think Keita brings something different than Cornette.
11:26You know, he's more of an enforcer, probably a better rebounder.
11:30But Cornette does things like better, like screening, defensive position, things like that.
11:36Keita also has a bad habit of getting in foul trouble and also too many goaltends.
11:43You know, he's really jumping like can't block everything, man.
11:46Just sometimes you got to let it go.
11:48You can't go for the, you know, that Bill Russell look.
11:52Sometimes you got to just be yourself and quit trying to swat everything away.
11:56So I think there's some steps there that he'll have to take in order to get more minutes.
12:03But I thought obviously, you know, one game, but it was a good stepping stone for him to get to that next level
12:09because you want him, one, to be an enforcer, two, to rebound and score at the rim,
12:14and three, avoid foul trouble, avoid getting bad fouls or being out of position on defense
12:21and become like a better pick and roll and screener.
12:23So those are the things I think that they're looking at, and I think he's making progress.
12:30All right, Drew Peterson, what do you make of his performance in the G League?
12:36Do you think he has an opportunity to make it to a league roster?
12:40Also, how would you differentiate him from Sam Housen?
12:44What you got, Gary?
12:48I mean, I think it's easy associating because both are white and they shoot three,
12:52but they're both different players.
12:55Come on, Gary.
12:56I'm just saying.
12:58Why we got to talk about Sam and bring up Drew Peterson?
13:01No, but Peterson, I was just going to say.
13:04The rundown does say is he's Sam Housen 2.0, but I felt like that was a little too much of a stretch.
13:08Yeah, that's a lot.
13:09I said I think for Peterson and guys like Shireman, the whole thing is getting ready for 25-26.
13:16That's what your goal should be because I don't think with Houser next year, he's under contract,
13:22he's going to play, he's going to get minutes.
13:24I don't think there's much of an opportunity for Peterson or Shireman in terms of getting significant minutes.
13:31But it's likely that if Houser continues his ascension, plays well, knocks down threes,
13:40becomes a better defender as he has been, he's going to get an offer that he probably can't match.
13:47He's going to get that four-year $80 million or four-year $72 million offer.
13:53So it's going to say, hey, see you later, man.
13:55We can't afford it.
13:56We're in the second apron.
13:57So if you're Shireman or Drew, Peterson, you're banking for 25-26 to be able to step in
14:06and be that guy who can knock down threes, play some defense, play that swingman position.
14:10So I think those two are going to kind of compete here.
14:13But I was impressed with Peterson.
14:15I didn't think it was much of a factor in the opening game.
14:18I thought this game against the Lakers, it was very much a factor, hit a couple of threes,
14:23key down the stretch when the Lakers are trying to creep back into the game.
14:26Peterson quieted the crowd because it was a pro-Laker crowd.
14:29So I was impressed with what he was able to do.
14:32But his whole thing is spend another year maybe mostly in the G League on the two-way,
14:38knock down threes, improve your defense, and then next year when obviously Hauser is gone,
14:45attempt to slide in and get some quality minutes.
14:53Yeah, I mean, I think he's definitely positioning himself to be the heir apparent to Sam Hauser
14:58as far as a guy that can knock down shots off that bench.
15:01And that's what he does well.
15:03But the one thing that I'll say that he still has, I think, a little ways to go is that
15:07he's not as put together physically as Sam Hauser is.
15:11I mean, Sam is not some little shooting guard out there.
15:14Sam's got good size.
15:16That allows him to defend a guy like Luka Doncic and not get bumped seven rows back
15:21the way a lot of guards do when they have to defend Luka who's really strong.
15:25So the big thing with Peterson, he's just got to get physically stronger.
15:29And I think he has to become able to impact the game or be a net zero player defensively.
15:37Because if he's basically giving you solid defense but not spectacular,
15:41he's not getting crushed or killed or anything like that,
15:43and he's able to knock down shots, that is an ideal perfect storm.
15:48Whereas right now, you look at where Sam Hauser's game is.
15:51I mean, yes, he's still a knockdown shooter.
15:54And yes, defensively he's made improvements.
15:56But he's also expanded his offensive game.
15:59You saw in the finals, Sam took some shots.
16:01I don't know if he would have taken those same shots four or five months earlier.
16:04And that is pump fake on the three, dribble drive, two steps, pull up, shoot the midrange.
16:09That's a shot that he started shooting in the finals that we had not seen much of prior to that.
16:15If he starts, if Peterson is looking to really kind of make his mark
16:21and be the heir apparent to Sam Hauser, he's going to have to do more than just be a three-point shooter.
16:25Because that is really how Sam has become more than just a guy that they look to knock down shots.
16:31They look for Sam to be a presence out there.
16:33And that presence doesn't always have to be him making and taking three-point shots.
16:38At this point, that's pretty much all you're going to get out of Peterson.
16:41And for him to make that next step and gain the confidence of Joe Mazula,
16:47he's going to have to become more than just a spot-up three-point shooter.
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18:31All right, the other son, J.D. Davidson.
18:34I cracked myself up.
18:39I wish I didn't get that.
18:41I wish I didn't get that.
18:42I wish I didn't, but I didn't.
18:44You know, it's easier than that.
18:46All right, Peter's son, David's son, Peter's son, David's son.
18:52When you have to explain it, it's not funny anymore.
18:55Corny, that's what happens when you have institutional ACC knowledge and you just got invited to the party and bringing napkins.
19:03You're not really bringing food. You're not really bringing drink. You're just bringing napkins.
19:08But it's okay, Cal. It's okay. You'll catch on quick enough.
19:12We definitely need to tailgate FEC together this year.
19:15For sure.
19:17For sure.
19:19Continue on your well-placed dad joke, Corny.
19:24Continue.
19:25Thank you. So, J.D. Davidson, what exactly do you two think he's missing?
19:29And do you think he'll find it in time to help out Boston or the time passing?
19:35You know, I watched him really closely in this last game against the Lakers.
19:41And I think the one thing that I think bugs me, and I think it probably bugs the Celtics, too, about J.D., that he's still a work in progress.
19:51And that is clock and time recognition.
19:54There are at least three possessions where he just basically milked the damn shot clock down by just dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble.
20:01Not passing, not really getting any motion going, not looking for anything other than just dribble, dribble, dribble.
20:07And with that being said, there were times where he would make a move and have the defender off balance, and then he'd just stop.
20:16He'd like stop and reset, like as if it's a video game where if I could just kind of tweak your ankles a little bit, I'd get 10 points.
20:23No, you get points when you force them to move like they don't want to move and you finish at the rim.
20:30I thought there were at least four or five opportunities where he had his man in a very vulnerable position so that he could get to the basket and finish.
20:37And he decided not to.
20:39His recognition of how to be a point guard is still something that I don't have a good feel for.
20:44Now, his shot making, it looks a lot better.
20:47It looks a lot better in the summer than I thought it looked last year.
20:50But he's still, again, his on-the-floor recognition is still, I think, a work in progress.
20:56And if you're the Celtics, that's kind of the one thing you need to get right.
21:01You need to be able to be on the floor and they have to have confidence that you are going to make the right basketball decision.
21:07And that's the biggest concern that I have with J.D. now.
21:10I don't think he makes enough of the right basketball decisions.
21:13Throwing a lob of Decatur is not a great basketball decision because, guess what?
21:18He's a seven-footer and there's no one else on the opposing team who can play above the rim like him.
21:23So it's a pretty easy play to make.
21:26And, you know, it's one of the few times Brian E. James actually did something that you could kind of clap your hands about,
21:33where he broke up one of those lobs even after J.D. had like three, four assists.
21:39But Brian E. figured out by the fifth time, maybe I should do something about this.
21:42Yeah.
21:43But, you know, the bottom line, J.D. has to, I think, just get a better sense and awareness of what he needs to do when he's out there on the floor.
21:51Yeah, I was impressed with J.D. He's starting to shoot the ball better.
21:58I definitely like his three-point shot going down.
22:01Like you said, Sharon, he probably needs to improve his on-court decisions.
22:05But I think he's playing more poised.
22:07And what you wanted to see in this summer league from J.D. Davis is like, hey, man, you know, this is your third summer league, bro.
22:13You need to act like you've been here before.
22:15And you need to be the best dude on the floor.
22:18And to me, that's what I see.
22:21You know, he's playing well. He's playing with poise.
22:25You know, he's running the offense.
22:27He's not afraid to attack the basket for that layup or shot off the glass.
22:32He's hitting the three-point shot.
22:34I think that's one of the bigger concerns is like he shot 26 percent last year on a three from in the G League.
22:40Like he's got to boost that up, especially in an organization that values a three-point shot.
22:44So I think he's taking steps forward.
22:47I was impressed with what he did over the last two games.
22:51He's had a pretty good start so far.
22:53We'll see if, you know, maybe they hold out some guys eventually in these five games or he'll play those five games.
23:00But we'll see how he does.
23:01He'll play Charlotte on Wednesday, how that goes and whether he can just pick up that momentum
23:06and take it into the season where he can really show something in training camp where they know,
23:12OK, if we need somebody, we can give that dude a call.
23:15Because what you want, you know, with a two-way contract, you can play in 50 like Cato last year.
23:20You can play in 50 regular season games.
23:22So you can be a useful asset even on a two-way contract.
23:26So from J.D. Davidson, I'm looking for an opportunity to play and play, you know,
23:34be up with the big club in a week at a time or so, show them something to where I can be a real asset.
23:40And I think he's showing signs of doing that, taking that, you know, first two or three steps now in summary.
23:50All right, let's talk about the person who everyone was so focused on despite the win being for Boston,
23:57Bronny James, LeBron's son, obviously, two points, three rebounds in that loss.
24:03I want to hear your impressions.
24:06Gary, go ahead. Talk about your boy, Bronny.
24:11I mean, somebody, and this isn't funny, but somebody was like.
24:18It's going to be funny.
24:19No, it's not supposed to be funny.
24:22Somebody was just like, he's out there like a Make-A-Wish kid.
24:25Like it's to the point where.
24:27Damn, damn, damn, damn.
24:33Nothing against the Make-A-Wish Foundation.
24:35It's just that kid that you're really rooting for to just score a bucket.
24:39It's like when they put the little guy on the court and he's like, hey, shoot a basket.
24:44And it's pathetic.
24:46And that's how it was.
24:48It was like every time he shot the ball, it was like, go, Bronny, come on, Bronny.
24:53Like the crowd, it's to the point of like, OK, he's an NBA player.
24:58They're like, oh, we just hope he scores a basket.
25:01Hey, Bronny.
25:03He hit a 15-, 16-foot jumper, and the crowd went nuts in the fourth quarter.
25:08They were down by like 10 or 12 points.
25:10They got him back within 10, and the crowd got real hyped.
25:13Like, OK, they're like, oh, Bronny scored.
25:15Shoot, we're really about to make a run now.
25:18And it's like he airballed two threes.
25:20He's passing up shots.
25:23He just looks completely lost out there.
25:25It's like throwing like a pretty good.
25:28I ain't talking about no Cooper flag or nothing.
25:31I'm talking about like a pretty good high school player into an NBA game.
25:37That's how it's like.
25:38Like it just looks completely lost.
25:41And it's sad because it did not have to be this way.
25:44You know, 0 for 15 from the three-point line since he's been in summer league.
25:49He's not hitting shots.
25:51He's not scoring.
25:52He's not doing much.
25:53Like literally the crowd cheered when he made a deflection.
25:56That playoff J.D. Davidson.
25:59The crowd started cheering for a deflection.
26:02It wasn't like a turnover.
26:05Like the ball went out of bounds when he deflected it, so it was still a ball.
26:09And there's a crowd, yeah, yeah, Bronny, see him up.
26:13You know, like it's to the point where he's become a sympathetic figure.
26:18Like the crowd is just hoping for him to score, and he scored two points.
26:22I mean, and this is the level.
26:25These are his peers.
26:28Now, not all of them.
26:29There's guys, many guys in summer league who are older than him,
26:32more experienced, all that.
26:34Guys who have been in their second, third summer league.
26:37But if you're trying to make an NBA roster, you need to show something.
26:42And you can tell the guys that are kind of lost out there that are like,
26:46okay, they're going to need G League time or maybe time overseas,
26:52get some hair on their chest a little bit, theoretically,
26:56and then come back maybe next summer league and try to make a roster.
26:59And for Bronny, I don't think, I mean, I think he's like our friend,
27:04Sherrod's favorite guy, Bruno Cabloco.
27:07Our friend Bruno.
27:11The guy that was two years away from being two years away.
27:14Exactly.
27:15When he got drafted like seven, eight, nine years ago,
27:20the former coach, Fran Foschilla,
27:23who was kind of like the international hoop expert, was like, yeah,
27:26he's two years away from being two years away.
27:29And that's what Bronny is right now.
27:32He is.
27:33That's the first line in his Wikipedia page too, actually.
27:36Yes.
27:37When it comes up.
27:38That line stuck to him.
27:40It was the greatest line.
27:44And, you know, it was like, what the hell is this kid doing?
27:47Entering the draft.
27:49And he played a little, he had bounced around.
27:52He's on the Brazil team.
27:53They didn't make the, I don't, Brazil did make the Olympics.
27:57So he'll be in, he'll be in.
28:00Yeah.
28:01I think our friend Bruno is balling and he's, you know,
28:07he was in a Celtic system for a hot minute.
28:09But with Bronny,
28:12it just looks like he's two years away from being two years away.
28:16And it's sad because it does not have to be this way.
28:20He should have his ass in college.
28:21He should be enjoying that college life.
28:25It's okay to take two to three years of college before you go to the league.
28:29You don't have to rush it.
28:31It's, you know, any kid is going to say, oh, I want to play in the NBA.
28:35As a father, I think it's your responsibility to go, no, son,
28:38you're not ready.
28:39I think the thing that we don't do sometimes, and I'm not a parent,
28:44but I have, you know, people, young people I know,
28:47you don't assess the children.
28:49We tell them that they can do anything they want to do and we support them,
28:53which is great.
28:54But sometimes you got to have a conversation and go, okay, my son,
28:57my daughter is not good at this.
28:59And I, you know, I'm not,
29:01I'm not going to send my son or daughter to Harvard with a 2.8 GPA.
29:07Like that's great to say that you went to Harvard,
29:10but you're going to come right back home and drop out.
29:12Like you've got to assess accurately and assess your child.
29:16Like look at your son play at USC and go, okay, my son is not ready yet.
29:24And I know I want to play with him and it's a great story,
29:28but I'm not going to fast track him to the league when he's completely not
29:31ready.
29:32So he can be undressed so he can be embarrassed.
29:35So people talk to him on morning shows and say that he's not ready and say
29:39he looks terrible.
29:40Like that's just the kid's 19.
29:42And like he has to take that now.
29:45Then he turns around and wins.
29:47What's that video game?
29:48The call of duty, which is what I was going to bring up.
29:51He wins $10,000.
29:53He beats Graham Williams in this tournament.
29:56And the first thing I thought about when I saw that video, I don't know.
29:59This was like my time, but high school musical.
30:02Do you guys know the premise of the movie?
30:04Okay.
30:05So high school musical is about Ashley.
30:07I think he played football.
30:08He was a football player.
30:09He's a quarterback.
30:10He loves singing.
30:12He was really good at singing and wanted to do musicals.
30:15And so he ends up doing it.
30:17But like the first thing I thought about was like,
30:19not that video games is Ronnie's calling,
30:22but it was giving like, you're really good at this one thing.
30:25And you just happen to be doing another thing.
30:28And it's like, if this isn't his passion to your point too,
30:31then there's no need to force it for the sake of historical records and
30:35saying you played with your son.
30:37Like if this isn't his passion, he doesn't have to do it.
30:40It feels like it's daddy's dream.
30:42I think so.
30:43Wait, this is not Shiraz.
30:46Wait for your time.
30:48It's way before my time.
30:49He made that clear.
30:50It's before my time.
30:51So this is like his era.
30:52So there was a great all-time great heavyweight boxer named Joe Frazier.
30:56Okay.
30:57He fought Ali.
30:58Okay.
31:00You know, Joe Frazier is.
31:01He actually came to NABJ in 2011.
31:06In Philly before he passed away, he had a son named Marvis.
31:11And Marvis was big like him.
31:13And he pushed Marvis into being a heavyweight box.
31:17And Marvis fought.
31:20And I think it was Mike Tyson.
31:21And you want to know what happened?
31:24You want to know what happened?
31:26I think in that fight.
31:28You want to know what happened?
31:29I think in that fight.
31:30Did he die?
31:32Mike Tyson knocked him to bleep out.
31:35And Joe.
31:37I got scared.
31:38No, no, no.
31:39No, no, no.
31:41Marvis is still alive.
31:42It was quick.
31:43It was a quick fight.
31:45He knocked him to bleep out.
31:48And Joe, as you can see at the end of the fight, it was a TKO.
31:53And Joe hugged his son like, I'm sorry.
31:57It was one of the more set.
31:59There's just sports moments that touch you.
32:03Like we always talk about that Olympic moment where the runner tore his hamstring.
32:08And his father runs onto the track and holds him and carries him to the finish line.
32:13It was like, oh, my God.
32:14Like a tearjerker.
32:16But you could see Joe because Joe was his trainer.
32:20And he got knocked out.
32:24And you could see Joe Frazier hugging his son like, son, I'm sorry.
32:28Like, this was my dream.
32:30Like, this ain't you.
32:31Like, I'm sorry.
32:32And it ended up, you know, he was a contender.
32:35But he never.
32:36He was okay.
32:37You know?
32:38And it wasn't.
32:40And Joe just, I want my son to be champ just like I was.
32:43I want my son to be champ.
32:45And that wasn't Marvis' path.
32:47And I just feel like this is LeBron's dream.
32:52And now LeBron's in, you know, overseas with Team USA.
32:57His mom was at the game last night, Savannah.
32:59But this kid is on his own.
33:02And Rich Paul, oh, yeah, my son only going to play for a major contract.
33:07No two ways.
33:09Yeah, or we're going to send him to Australia.
33:12They're returning to send him overseas, right?
33:14Yeah, if the wrong team drafts him, he'll go to Australia.
33:19Like, he got all that game.
33:21And we're looking at him like, what's this kid?
33:26What does he do well?
33:27What are we looking for here?
33:30And it's sad.
33:31And I feel bad for Bronny.
33:33And I'm sure financially he'll be fine.
33:35He'll make no money.
33:36Right.
33:37He's the one that's at the game on top of it.
33:39Some of these dudes out there, Sherrod, Bronny,
33:42they're trying to put food on their table.
33:43That's why they came to the league.
33:45They're fighting for.
33:47They're trying to bring their mama out of the hood or their brothers.
33:50They're trying to pay for college.
33:51They're here for a purpose.
33:54Not just because I want to be a pro like my dad.
33:57No.
33:58If you're not good enough.
34:00And I just think it's that Joe Frazier, Marvis Frazier.
34:03I can just see.
34:04And I just remember that fight.
34:06And then Marvis slumped over and got his butt beat.
34:11And Joe just hugged him.
34:12Like, I'm sorry.
34:13Like, damn it.
34:14Like, you know, this wasn't you.
34:18And maybe that call to duty example where he's like, he doesn't.
34:21Maybe he's just a gamer.
34:23Maybe that's what he does.
34:24You know what I mean?
34:26You know, I'm not big on gaming.
34:27You know, when I was a kid, you know, we all.
34:30Video games did exist when I was a kid.
34:32Me and Sherrod was young, but it wasn't like we could do it professionally.
34:36It was just like, when you got to a certain age, you'd like, you stop playing.
34:40Like, you, your ass too big for that.
34:42NBA 2K league.
34:45Like, if your daddy came home, he was 24 playing, like playing Madden.
34:50What the hell is wrong with you?
34:53Get your ass out there.
34:55It was like, like all of our dads.
34:58Like most of our dad, like you, you know, like John Witherspoon was on Friday.
35:02Like, you know, like that was, that was the black American dad.
35:06What the hell are you doing?
35:08Playing a video game.
35:09Get your ass a job, boy.
35:10What the hell are you doing?
35:11Get out of my house.
35:12Like, you couldn't be, you couldn't be a gamer.
35:15What's a gamer?
35:17How much a gamer pays?
35:19How much rent can a gamer pay rent?
35:24How much food on the table can a gamer?
35:26Like now, it's possible, right?
35:28So maybe.
35:29Now it is very possible.
35:31Back then, it was not, that was not, that was not a career option.
35:35To play video games was not.
35:38If your dad walked in and you with your homeboys during working hours,
35:43and he just got home, and you playing semifinals of Madden.
35:47Like, that's tripping.
35:50So, I just think maybe there's something there.
35:54And I hope this turns out to where eventually he'll be a pro
35:59and maybe contribute to an NBA team.
36:02But there's no time soon.
36:04I mean, I was sitting next to Dan Wilkie in the LA Times last night,
36:08and he was just like, we were both looking at like the air ball two threes.
36:13He was open.
36:14Like, get him, you know, in the crowd.
36:16Come on, Bronny.
36:18It was like the little boy or the little girl or whatever, you know,
36:23in the sport that you just, they're the smallest one on the court.
36:27And you're like, come on, get it, you know, get it, get it.
36:31Oh, my God, you know.
36:33That's what it was.
36:35But this is summer league, man.
36:37This is summer league.
36:38They're supposed to be like that?
36:39They're supposed to be making which foundation?
36:41It's not.
36:43It's sad.
36:45Yeah.
36:46Either way.
36:47Go ahead, LeBron.
36:48I mean, go ahead.
36:49Go ahead, LeBron.
36:50Go ahead.
36:51Go ahead, Sherrod.
36:53Go ahead, Sherrod.
36:54You're a dad.
36:55You should know.
36:56I do know.
36:59Very accomplished.
37:01Sherrod didn't push him.
37:03He didn't.
37:04Joe Frazier, his son, he gave him the proper steps,
37:08let his son take whatever path he wanted.
37:11Very successful.
37:12Very proud of Isaiah.
37:14You know, he looks a little like you, which is unfortunate, you know.
37:18I'm crying.
37:20Oh, my gosh.
37:21Wow.
37:22He still resembles you, but, you know, he may grow out of that.
37:25You know, but I'm very proud of Isaiah.
37:29He took the proper steps, got his degree, did things on his own.
37:33I remember just the whole process and used us as mentors and advisors.
37:37He was networking as if he didn't have a family member immediately.
37:40No.
37:41He was not dropping daddy's name.
37:44He was not coming in.
37:45You know where my daddy is, right?
37:47Maybe.
37:48Yeah.
37:49You know, he, you know, he did it the right way.
37:55And I just feel like LeBron is just, and then LeBron ain't even here to,
37:59LeBron's doing his still balling for team.
38:02So there's Bronnie, you know, with his mom there.
38:05And I'm sure his peoples or whatever, family members.
38:08But I hope, I just wish him,
38:10I hope emotionally this doesn't get to him and I wish him all the best,
38:14but this ain't right.
38:15But that, but, and Gary, I mean, that last point,
38:18that that's really my whole point in all of this, that this,
38:21this kid from this kid is going to be emotionally scarred in ways that we have
38:25no idea how deep is going to be or how deep it already is.
38:29I mean, he's been in this.
38:30Yeah.
38:31He's been in this major spotlight from day one.
38:34And it really it's you,
38:37there's no way that he can win this battle because you're trying to
38:40basically show that you are good enough to be in the conversation with your
38:47daddy, your daddy, who by the way, is easily one of the greatest to ever play the game.
38:51Many can make the argument is the greatest to ever play the game.
38:54So you're, you're not going to be your daddy.
38:56You're not going to be as good as your daddy.
38:57But the thing that I worry most about Bronnie is that because he has elected
39:04or he's been nudged in a direction to play this game,
39:07he is being forced to deal with a level of scrutiny and expectations that no one,
39:15whether you're the number one pick or the 55th pick should ever have to deal with.
39:18He, his game is going to be absolutely scrutinized on a level that no player taking with the 55th pick was ever going to see.
39:27Each one more than had his kind of attention when the Celtics took him at number 55 years ago.
39:32He carved out a hell of a career.
39:34He was in the league for at least 10, 11 years.
39:36If Ronnie can get past his first contract,
39:40I think that is that that's a major achievement because right now,
39:43and I was talking with a scout about this and I was asking him,
39:47who would you compare Bronnie to at this point?
39:51And he said to be perfectly candid with you.
39:54Have you ever heard of a walk on in the NBA?
39:58That's what Ronnie looks like to me.
40:00Like if you the way that people treat him, the way that he gets on the floor,
40:05the shortcomings of his game,
40:07those are the kind of things that when you look at a major college program and they bring in their favorite walk on,
40:12those are kind of things that they can't do.
40:15They show a little something that they got enough to be relatively coherent at the game.
40:19But in terms of being an impact player,
40:21in terms of being someone that is actually going to make plays and be a difference maker in terms of wins and losses,
40:27he ain't there yet.
40:29I mean, the way the crowd acted when he made a 15 foot jumper,
40:32you would have thought that was like game winner, game seven in the finals.
40:35It's a freaking joke.
40:37I mean, it's like one of the most basic fundamental plays of a basketball player.
40:41Not an NBA player, not a college player, but someone who can play basketball.
40:45There are seven year olds who feel very comfortable taking 15 foot jump shots.
40:50And when they knock them down, you don't hear the crowd go ballistic because it's a very basic play.
40:56And that's what he has been reduced to.
40:58He has been reduced to if you can just do basic plays,
41:01we're going to make your basic plays into something so much grander than a basic play because you are not basic.
41:07Even though at this point being basic might be an upgrade for him.
41:11Like I said, I'm at a point now where I don't even care so much about the basketball stuff around.
41:17I care more about just the emotional baggage slash scarring that this young man is going to have to deal with because it is only going to get worse.
41:28And being a young man that he is, he does what most young men in that situation do.
41:34And that's lean on the wisdom and guidance of those elders around you who, in my opinion, are letting him down.
41:40I think LeBron is letting him down. I think Rich Paul let him down.
41:43I think the Lakers have let him down because they put him in a position where anything less than really good is just not going to be acceptable.
41:54If he was even decent, if he was even scoring eight points, he's over 15 from three.
42:01He had two points. He is playing.
42:05If he was just like, well, he's not the best player on the floor, but he's doing okay.
42:12I think in the first couple of games when they played in San Francisco, people were like, well, first game I think he had six points.
42:21People were like, okay, your first NBA game, that's okay.
42:24Hey, you're a star out there, but that's not bad.
42:28You ain't make no headlines, nothing.
42:30You didn't do anything spectacular, but you didn't do anything bad.
42:33It's just gone progressively worse.
42:36I mean, that game, the first game in Vegas against Houston, like Reed Shepard was dropping buckets.
42:43And they're the same age, same high school class.
42:47And Reed Shepard looks like a damn pro.
42:50You can tell.
42:51We all have watched some of these games.
42:54You can look on the floor and go, okay, that dude's a pro.
42:56Yeah.
42:57Whether it'll be, you know, I'm looking at Cam Whitmore, who was like one and done last year.
43:03Like he's dominating down here.
43:05Now he's like a seventh man, eighth man for the Rockets.
43:08Kamehakes, like you can tell those are pros.
43:12Okay.
43:13They don't need to be here.
43:15But you were looking at LeBron, you're like, okay, show me something.
43:19And now it's to the point, like you said, it's like it's a sympathetic thing.
43:24It's not, as I said, it's like a kid in peewee baseball.
43:28When we got his first hit of the season or a walk on, like that scout was real active.
43:32He's like a walk on where he comes off into the bench.
43:35Oh, come on, Richie.
43:36You know, he works so hard and practices.
43:40He never gets into the game.
43:41Get a basket.
43:42Like that's what it was last night.
43:44Like he hit a 16-footer.
43:46Crowd erupted.
43:48And it's just like in the fourth quarter, it was his first basket.
43:51That's airballing.
43:54It was in the fourth quarter.
43:55The game was pretty much a wrap at that point.
43:57Yeah.
43:58And it was like he had two, he airballed two three-pointers.
44:03One wide open in the corner.
44:05Just, I mean, a foot short.
44:07And I think it's mental and it's skill set.
44:12I don't think he's that bad of a player, but I think it's in his head.
44:15I mean, who's there to have his back?
44:18LeBron is an out-of-body whatever with Team USA about to start his journey,
44:25his next chapter in his career.
44:28He's trying to win another gold medal.
44:30And you're leaving your 19-year-old son.
44:32He a grown man.
44:33I get it.
44:34He's grown officially.
44:35He's over 18.
44:36You know, in our generation, that's when you got, unless you was in college,
44:40that's when you got out of the house.
44:42It's not like that now.
44:44You can still be a gamer, I guess.
44:47But growing up when you got 18, your father, your mother,
44:54even your mother was like, okay, what's going to happen next year?
44:59If you don't go to college, you ain't kicking it here until you're 25.
45:04Like, you go to college and you come back home on the weekends
45:07and holidays and during the summer because you were so unproductive,
45:11or you get a full-time job and you bring some money to this house.
45:16But eventually you got to go.
45:19Like, that was kind of how it was.
45:21And as much as he's officially grown, he's old enough not to do certain things,
45:27but he's 18, voting age 19.
45:30He's old enough.
45:31He's a grown man.
45:32It's hard to imagine who's there for him.
45:36You know, who's consoling him?
45:38Maybe the Laker coaches.
45:40Maybe just make sure he's okay.
45:42That's it.
45:43Then he wins that video game contest, and it's like, you know,
45:46maybe you should be working on your game.
45:48Like, maybe that's what people are saying.
45:51You know, I root for the kid, and I hope he turns out okay.
45:57Yeah.
45:59Well, bringing it back to Boston quickly right before we wrap this up,
46:03you, Gary, published an article Tuesday morning about – you did.
46:09Well, someone published it.
46:10You did.
46:11It was a conversation with Joe Mazzulla.
46:12Let me – before you get all concerned about how he's prepared.
46:16By celebrating this championship, he's doing so by preparing for the next one.
46:20But, obviously, go read the article.
46:23But, Gary, how was that conversation, and what did you –
46:25what was your biggest takeaway from it?
46:28Great conversation with Joe Mazzulla.
46:32And he's just – he's a different guy, and I think we all know that.
46:36And he's just getting ready.
46:38Like, his whole thing is just, like, preparing
46:42and trying to get to that – now that next level.
46:47I think the championship is something to celebrate.
46:49And it was just the stuff on and off the court.
46:52Like, I need to spend more time with my younger son.
46:55You know, put some quality time in.
46:58And he thinks it's – like, things – like, he thought it –
47:00he thinks it's cool that the players, Deuce and Ian Horford,
47:06are around the team, right, around the team.
47:12He wants to be a family atmosphere.
47:14And he likes – and his oldest son, Michael, is kind of growing a personality.
47:22And he said, I want them to use this and my oldest to use this
47:25as a motivation to do something.
47:27They could be an NBA player.
47:28They could just be being a doctor.
47:30Use this championship as a reason to want to be great at something.
47:36And, you know, he is preparing, and he's, like, you know, trying to get ready.
47:41And he's motivated.
47:42And the thing of his people – or his – he said his cousin, Ronald,
47:50put a bunch of the Celtic paraphernalia on his father's grave.
47:55It was his father's grave tombstone.
47:58And I asked him, you know, it's mixed feelings.
48:02You might be like, you know, but he said he thought that was cool.
48:06He said that he thought that was great.
48:07He said his father was active.
48:10And interesting things, like he said, it took him years to – his dad died in 2020,
48:17and it took him years, four years to grieve.
48:20He said he didn't start grieving until, like, he took the Celtics job
48:24because he was so intense.
48:26And then he said the last few years his dad's voice has been in his head.
48:31What would he do?
48:32What would he say?
48:34What should I do now?
48:35Like, and he said he's had a chance to grieve his father's passing.
48:40And I thought that was very deep, very emotional.
48:43They talked about his faith and how important his faith is to him,
48:47that he felt like he was anointed to be here.
48:49He felt like last year was a challenge that God gave him.
48:52So there's a lot of things that he kind of opened up about.
48:58So please, if you read it, not only because I wrote it,
49:01but if you want to know more about Joe Mazzulla, the man,
49:04and what he's thinking at this point, read that article because he was very open
49:11and, you know, talked a lot about the things he's comfortable talking about.
49:18Good job, Gary.
49:19Yeah.
49:21Good job.
49:22And thanks for bringing the napkins to the ACC picnic.
49:24We appreciate that.
49:26Hey, you always need napkins.
49:29Well, anything else from you two before we wrap this up?
49:33You got it, point guard.
49:35Well, thank you.
49:37That's all for this week's episode of the Big 3 NBA Podcast
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49:51I'm Quanie Lunitz.
49:52Thank you for listening.
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