Amanpour & Co. - June 17, 2024
“Queenie” is a new TV series about a Jamaican-British woman in her mid-20s navigating life in London. It’s based on the best-selling novel by Candice Carty-Williams, who joins Michel Martin to talk about the show’s defiance of racial stereotypes.
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00:01♪♪♪
00:04>>> HELLO, EVERYONE, AND WELCOME
00:05TO "AMANPOUR AND COMPANY."
00:06HERE'S WHAT'S COMING UP.
00:08>>> PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU
00:11DISBANDS HIS WAR CABINET AMID
00:13FEARS OF A FULL-BLOWN NEW FRONT
00:15WITH LEBANON.
00:16THE NEW LABOR PARTY LEADER,
00:18FORMER IDF GENERAL YAIR GOLAN
00:22JOINS ME.
00:22THEN --
00:23>> THERE'S NOTHING NORMAL OF
00:25CHILDREN LIVING IN A CONSTANT
00:27STATE OF FEAR.
00:27>> WE BRING YOU A REPORT ON THE
00:30PATIENTS TRAPPED INSIDE GAZA.
00:32AND I SPEAK TO JAMES ELDER OF
00:35UNICEF FROM RAFAH.
00:36>>> ALSO AHEAD --
00:37>> LOUD, SASSY, CONFRONTATIONAL.
00:39I CAN'T NOT BE A STRONG BLACK
00:41WOMAN.
00:41>> A 25-YEAR-OLD
00:44JAMAICAN-BRITISH WOMAN
00:44STRADDLING TWO CULTURES.
00:47AUTHOR CANDICE CARTY-WILLIAMS
00:49TALKS TO MICHEL MARTIN ABOUT
00:51TURNING HER BEST-SELLING NOVEL
00:54"QUEENIE" INTO A NEW TV SERIES.
01:02♪♪♪
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01:56EVERYONE, I'M CHRISTIANE
01:56AMANPOUR IN LONDON.
01:58SO, WHO WILL RUN THE WAR ON GA
02:05GAZA, NOW THAT THE ISRAELI PRIME
02:07MINISTER HAS DISBANDED THE WAR
02:10CABINET?
02:13AN ISRAELI OFFICIAL SAYS
02:16NETANYAHU WILL, QUOTE, HOLD
02:17SMALLER FORUMS ON SENSITIVE
02:20MATTERS, AND DECISION-MAKING
02:21WILL NOW MOVE BACK TO THE
02:22GOVERNMENT'S MAIN SECURITY
02:23CABINET.
02:25MEANWHILE, THE WAR BETWEEN
02:26ISRAEL AND HEZBOLLAH ACROSS THE
02:29LEBANESE BORDER IS HEATING UP.
02:30AND U.S. SPECIAL ENVOY AMOS
02:33HOCKSTEIN ARRIVED IN ISRAEL
02:34TODAY, MEETING WITH NETANYAHU
02:36AND THE PRESIDENT TO URGE
02:40DE-ESCALATION IN THE NORTH.
02:42BEN WEDEMAN HAS THIS REPORT
02:44ABOUT HOW THE WIDER WAR COULD BE
02:46ON THE BRINK OF ERUPTING.
02:49>> Reporter: EVERY DAY, THE
02:50MESSAGE GOES OUT FROM SOUTH
02:52LEBANON.
02:53IN SLICK PROPAGANDA VIDEOS,
02:56ACCOMPANIED BY A STIRRING
02:57SOUNDTRACK.
02:58HEZBOLLAH IS READY TO GO FROM
03:00DAILY SKIRMISHES TO FULL-SCALE
03:01WAR WITH ISRAEL.
03:05MIRED IN WHAT APPEARS TO BE AN
03:08UNWINNABLE WAR IN GAZA, ISRAEL
03:09HAS VOWED TO TURN ITS MILITARY
03:11MIGHT ON HEZBOLLAH.
03:14EARLIER THIS MONTH, ISRAELI
03:15PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN
03:18NETANYAHU VISITED THE BORDER,
03:20SAYING, "WE ARE PREPARED FOR
03:22VERY STRONG ACTION IN THE
03:23NORTH."
03:27BUT THE IRANIAN-BACKED GROUP IS
03:29BY FAR THE MOST FORMIDABLE,
03:33BATTLE-HARDENED FOE ISRAEL HAS
03:34FACED ON ITS BORDERS SINCE THE
03:361973 OCTOBER WAR.
03:41AFTER THEY FORCED ISRAEL TO PULL
03:43OUT OF SOUTH LEBANON 24 YEARS
03:45AGO, IN 2006, HEZBOLLAH FOUGHT
03:47ISRAEL TO A STANDSTILL.
03:50ALTHOUGH THE WAR LEFT PARTS OF
03:52BEIRUT AND MUCH OF SOUTHERN
03:53LEBANON IN RUINS.
03:57RETIRED LEBANESE ARMY BRIGADIER
03:59GENERAL ELIAS HANNA KNOWS THE
04:01MILITANT GROUP WELL.
04:04>> HEZBOLLAH IS AN EXCLUSIVE
04:06CLUB.
04:06WELL DISCIPLINED, MONITORED, AND
04:07THEY HAVE, WHICH IS THE MOST
04:11IMPORTANT ISSUE, THE CHARISMATIC
04:12LEADER.
04:16>> Reporter: SINCE OCTOBER,
04:17ISRAELI STRIKES HAVE KILLED MORE
04:18THAN 300 HEZBOLLAH FIGHTERS,
04:22INCLUDING LAST WEEK, A
04:24HIGH-RANKING COMMANDER, GIVEN A
04:26HERO'S FAREWELL IN BEIRUT.
04:30AT THE FUNERAL, A SENIOR
04:32HEZBOLLAH LEADER WARNED, "WE
04:34WILL INCREASE OUR OPERATIONS IN
04:36INTENSITY AND FORCE, IN QUANTITY
04:38AND QUALITY."
04:43ANALYSTS BELIEVE IRAN HAS
04:44PROVIDED HEZBOLLAH WITH AN
04:46ARSENAL OF SOPHISTICATED
04:48LONG-RANGE MISSILES CAPABLE OF
04:50REACHING TEL AVIV AND BEYOND.
04:53UNTIL NOW, HEZBOLLAH HAS MOSTLY
04:56LIMITED ITS STRIKES TO MILITARY
04:59TARGETS ALONG THE RUGGED
05:01MOUNTAINOUS FRONTIER, HITTING
05:03ISRAEL'S EXTENSIVE NETWORK OF
05:04SURVEILLANCE POSTS.
05:06IT ALSO SAYS IT HAS TAKEN OUT AN
05:08IRON DOME BATTERY, THE BACKBONE
05:10OF ISRAEL'S MISSILE DEFENSES,
05:12AND HAS USED GROUND TO AIR
05:13MISSILES TO SHOOT DOWN THREE TOP
05:16OF THE LINE HERMES-900 DRONES.
05:21IN THE PROCESS, FORCING TENS OF
05:23THOUSANDS OF ISRAELIS TO FLEE
05:24THEIR HOMES IN THE NORTH.
05:27HEZBOLLAH IS LEARNING FASTER
05:29THAN ISRAEL CAN ADAPT, SAYS
05:33HANNA.
05:33>> THEY ARE LEARNING, IT'S LIKE
05:35LEARNING PROCESS, IT'S LIKE
05:37TRIAL AND ERROR.
05:38SO, AS FAR AS YOU GO IN TIME,
05:39YOU ARE SEEING MORE INTENSITY,
05:40MORE COMBINED USE OF WEAPON, AND
05:45THEN MORE IN DEPTH AND MORE
05:49EFFECTIVENESS AGAINST THE
05:50ISRAELIS.
05:51AND WHAT IS THE PROBLEM, THAT
05:53THE ISRAEL HAS NO ANSWER FOR
05:56THAT.
05:56>> Reporter: SINCE OCTOBER,
05:58ISRAEL HAS BOLSTERED ITS FORCES
05:59ON THE BORDER AND HELD EXERCISES
06:02TO PREPARE FOR WAR.
06:04HEZBOLLAH IS ALSO READY FOR WAR.
06:05A WAR THAT IS JUST ONE
06:09MISCALCULATION AWAY.
06:13>> BEN WEDEMAN REPORTING FROM
06:15BEIRUT.
06:16ALL ACROSS ISRAEL,
06:17ANTI-GOVERNMENT PROTESTERS ARE
06:18TAKING TO THE STREETS AGAIN,
06:19ADDING PRESSURE ON NETANYAHU TO
06:21CALL EARLY ELECTIONS, AN OUTCOME
06:23THAT HE SEEMS DETERMINED TO
06:25AVOID FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE.
06:26BUT WOULD A DIFFERENT GOVERNMENT
06:28REALLY CHANGE THINGS?
06:29THE ONCE POWERFUL LABOR PARTY
06:31RECENTLY VOTED OVERWHELMINGLY
06:33FOR ITS NEW LEADER, THE FORMER
06:35IDF COMMANDER YAIR GOLAN.
06:37ON OCTOBER 7th, HE PUT ON HIS
06:39OLD UNIFORM AND DROVE TO A
06:43KIBBUTZ TO SAVE AS MANY PEOPLE
06:46AS HE COULD.
06:47IF HE CAN REVITALIZE THE
06:47TRADITIONAL LEFT AND THE PEACE
06:50CAMP, HE COULD PROVE KEY TO
06:51ISRAEL'S FUTURE.
06:53AND TO THAT OF THE PALESTINIANS.
06:55HE ATTENDED TODAY'S
06:56ANTI-GOVERNMENT PROTEST IN FRONT
06:58OF THE KNESSET, AND HE'S JOINING
07:01US LIVE FROM JERUSALEM.
07:03YAIR GOLAN, WELCOME TO THE
07:05PROGRAM.
07:06CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR RECENT
07:07NOMINATION AS HEAD OF THE LABOR
07:08PARTY.
07:10CAN I START BY ASKING YOU,
07:10THOUGH, ABOUT WHAT WE JUST HEARD
07:13FROM OUR CORRESPONDENT BEN
07:16WEDEMAN, IN LEBANON.
07:16YOU USED TO BE NORTHERN
07:19COMMANDER, YOU KNOW THAT WHOLE
07:21AREA, AND THAT DYNAMIC REALLY
07:21WELL.
07:25WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO
07:26HAPPEN?
07:28>> WELL, WHAT HAPPENED IN
07:31LEBANON IS A GOOD MANIFESTATION
07:33FOR THE FACT THAT WE ARE
07:36COUNTERING A MASSIVE IRANIAN
07:38FRONT AGAINST ISRAEL, COMPOSED
07:40BY HEZBOLLAH, MILITIAS IN IRAQ
07:47AND IRAN, AS WELL AS HAMAS,
07:51HEAVILY SUPPORTED BY IRAN IN THE
07:53GAZA STRIP, AND I THINK THIS
07:54IS -- SYMBOLIZES THE FACT THAT
07:58ISRAEL IS IN THE FRONT LINE OF
08:01INTERNATIONAL LIBERAL DEMOCRATIC
08:04FRONT AGAINST THE MOST RELIGION
08:10FANATIC JIHADIST ELEMENTS IN THE
08:12WORLD.
08:13SO, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS,
08:14YOU KNOW, VERY BASIC FACT.
08:16>> AND MANY, MANY THOUSANDS OF
08:18PEOPLE HAVE BEEN EVACUATED FROM
08:21THEIR HOMES UP THERE IN THE
08:22NORTH, ALSO ON THE OTHER SIDE IN
08:23LEBANON.
08:24UP UNTIL NOW, IT SEEMS THAT IT'S
08:26BEEN QUOTE UNQUOTE MANAGEABLE.
08:30THAT IT HASN'T ERUPTED INTO
08:33FULL-SCALE WAR LIKE IN 2006.
08:34DO YOU THINK IT WILL?
08:36AND WHAT DO YOU THINK THE
08:38AMERICAN SPECIAL ENVOY WOULD
08:39HAVE SAID TO YOUR PRESIDENT AND
08:42PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU TODAY
08:44ABOUT DE-ESCALATION?
08:47>> WELL, I THINK THAT THIS
08:51ESCALATION IS AVOIDABLE.
08:53WE NEED TO REACH HOSTAGE DEAL IN
08:54THE SOUTH AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
08:56WE NEED TO REACH CEASE-FIRE IN
08:58THE SOUTH AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
09:01THERE ARE CHANCES -- REASONABLE
09:04CHANCES THAT BY CEASE-FIRE IN
09:05THE SOUTH, WE WILL GAIN A
09:07CEASE-FIRE IN THE NORTH, AND WE
09:08WILL BE ABLE TO CONDUCT THE
09:15POLITICAL, INTERNAL PROCESS TO
09:19REPLACE THIS UNTRUSTED
09:20GOVERNMENT, AND IN ORDER TO BE
09:21WELL PREPARED FOR FUTURE
09:24CHALLENGES, FROM THE NORTH AND
09:25FROM THE ELSEWHERE.
09:26>> YAIR GOLAN, HOW DO YOU READ
09:29THE DISBANDING OF THE WAR
09:32CABINET?
09:32WHAT WILL IT MEAN, THAT
09:35NETANYAHU IS -- GETS MORE
09:36MODERATE, OR THAT THE RIGHT WING
09:38HAS MORE INFLUENCE, OR WHAT?
09:41WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU THINK IT
09:42WILL MEAN FOR THE PROSECUTION OF
09:43THE WAR IN GAZA?
09:49>> NO DOUBT THAT NETANYAHU IS
09:51TOTALLY GOVERNED BY THE MOST
09:53EXTREME FANATIC ELEMENTS IN THE
09:54GOVERNMENT.
09:57IRRESPONSIBLE ELEMENTS OR
10:04PERSONS, THEY ARE THE ONE WHO
10:07REALLY LEAD THE ISRAELI POLICY
10:08RIGHT NOW.
10:09THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS, IF IT
10:11DOESN'T REPRESENT THE MAJORITY
10:12OF THE ISRAELIS, IT'S AGAINST
10:16THE INTEREST OF ISRAEL, AND
10:18THEREFORE, THIS IS A GREAT
10:21MANIFESTATION THAT THIS
10:22GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED
10:23AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
10:26>> YOU, I GUESS FOR THAT REASON,
10:28TO TRY TO CHANGE THE GOVERNMENT,
10:29YOU HAVE BEEN TAKING PART EVEN
10:30TODAY IN ANTI-GOVERNMENT
10:33PROTESTS IN JERUSALEM.
10:36WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO ACHIEVE?
10:38WHAT ARE THESE PROTESTERS
10:39DEMANDING NOW?
10:42>> WELL, WE THINK THAT THIS
10:44GOVERNMENT, BECAUSE OF THE
10:49UNBELIEVABLE FAILURE, DISASTER
10:51OF OCTOBER 7th, AND AT THE SAME
10:54TIME, BECAUSE OF THE
11:00MISCONDUCTED WAY THEY LEAD THIS
11:02WAR, FROM ALL THE REASONS, FROM
11:05THE PAST, FROM THE PRESENT, AND
11:08CONCERNING THE FUTURE.
13:37I ASSUME YOU BELIEVE IN A DAY
13:39AFTER THAT SEES A POLITICAL
13:40SOLUTION AND A TWO-STATE
13:41SOLUTION.
13:44>> WELL, THE GOAL IS FIRST AND
13:45FOREMOST TO BECOME A MUCH BIGGER
13:47PARTY.
13:48I THINK THAT REASONABLE GOAL FOR
13:52THE COMING ELECTION, ABOUT 15
13:57MANDATES, AND WITH 15 MANDATES,
13:58WE CAN BE PROMINENT ELEMENT IN
14:00ANY FUTURE COALITION.
14:03MAYBE EVEN LEAD THIS COALITION.
14:04WE DON'T KNOW, IT'S A MATTER OF,
14:06YOU KNOW, TO SEE THE WAY THE
14:11POLITICAL MAP IN ISRAEL WILL BE
14:11REORGANIZED AFTER THIS
14:13GOVERNMENT.
14:14AND I THINK THAT CONCERNING THE
14:19TWO-STATE SOLUTION, RIGHT NOW,
14:21WHAT IS MOST REASONABLE FOR MOST
14:26ISRAELIS, LOST A SENSE OF
14:27SECURITY, IS THE FOLLOWING.
14:29FIRST, WE NEED TO DISINTEGRATE
14:31OURSELVES FROM THE PALESTINIANS
14:32FROM ANY CIVILIAN ASPECT, IN
14:34ORDER TO KEEP A WIDE AND SECURED
14:41PATH FOR THE TWO-STATE SOLUTION,
14:43AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE NEED TO
14:44KEEP RESPONSIBILITY FOR SECURITY
14:47IN OUR HANDS.
14:49AND I THINK PEOPLE AROUND THE
14:50GLOBE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
14:52WE HAVE NO INTENTION TO
14:55COMPROMISE OUR SECURITY.
14:56PEOPLE IN ISRAEL NEED TO KNOW
15:01THAT THEY WON'T BE RAIDED BY
15:03TERRORISTS, BY BUTCHERS, BY
15:05PEOPLE WHO WANT TO KILL THEM
15:06TOMORROW MORNING, AND THEREFORE,
15:08WITHOUT SECURITY, WE WON'T BE
15:11ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY
15:13POLITICAL CONSIDERATION.
15:14>> AS YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE
15:16THINGS THAT MAKES THE AMERICAN
15:18BACKERS VERY ANGRY AND ISRAEL'S
15:21ALLIES VERY ANGRY, MAYBE EVEN
15:23PROTESTERS, I THINK -- I THINK
15:25PEOPLE LIKE GADI EISEN COT AND
15:29BENNY GANTZ LEFT THE WAR CABINET
15:30BECAUSE THERE WAS NO DAY AFTER
15:32PLAN.
15:32SO, I'M WONDERING, WHAT WOULD
15:35YOUR DAY AFTER PLAN BE?
15:36RIGHT NOW, THE LATEST FROM ONE
15:37OF THE EXTREME RIGHT COALITION
15:39MEMBERS HAS BEEN TO SAY, WE NEED
15:41TO GET BACK INTO GAZA, IN
15:43FULL-SCALE, WE NEED TO ENCOURAGE
15:46ALL GAZANS TO GET OUT.
15:50THAT SEEMS TO BE A MAXIMALIST,
15:52YOU KNOW, ETHNIC CLEANSING
15:56VERSION, AND AN ONLY PASSION
15:58OCCUPATION VERSION OF THE
16:00FUTURE.
16:00WHAT IS YOUR VISION FOR GAZA?
16:04>> WELL, I THINK YOU KNOW,
16:06BRITISH DOCTRINE CONCERNING
16:09COUNTER INSURGENCY WARFARE, NO
16:11DOUBT THAT CONCERNING THAT ON
16:12THE ONE HAND, WE NEED TO FIGHT
16:15FURIOUS
16:16FURIOUSLY, ALL MILITANTS, BUT WE
16:20NEED TO BUILD AN ALTERNATIVE.
16:22AND WE ARE NOT THE ALTERNATIVE.
16:24ISRAEL IS NOT THE ALTERNATIVE
16:25FOR THE PALESTINIANS.
16:26AND THEREFORE, WE NEED TO FIGURE
16:27OUT HOW TO CONSOLIDATE A TRUSTED
16:33ALTERNATIVE WITH OUR REGIONAL
16:34ALLIES, WITH THE MODERATE MUSLIM
16:37COUNTRIES, BACKING BY THE UNITED
16:37STATES OF AMERICA, BY THE EU, BY
16:43OTHER DEMOCRATIC ELEMENTS IN THE
16:44GLOBE, IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT
16:51GAZANS HAVE -- WILL HAVE SOME
16:53SORT OF A REASONABLE
16:55ALTERNATIVE, AND AT THE SAME
16:56TIME, ISRAEL WILL GAIN ENOUGH
17:02SECURITY IN ORDER TO FEEL SAFE
17:04AND SECURE IN THIS TROUBLED
17:04REGION.
17:07WE WANT GUARANTEES FOR ALL OF
17:12OUR SECURITY PROBLEMS, BUT WE
17:13NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT FUTURE OF
17:14THE GLAN PALESTINIAN ARENA IS
17:18POSITIVE FOR ISRAEL, AND IF IT'S
17:20POSITIVE FOR ISRAEL, IT WILL BE
17:21POSITIVE ALSO FOR THE
17:22PALESTINIANS.
17:23>> AND I -- YOU KNOW, YOU MAY
17:27HAVE ALSO BEEN READING THIS, BUT
17:28THERE ARE MORE AND MORE STORIES
17:30COMING OUT OF GAZA, OF ORDINARY
17:33PALESTINIANS THERE EXPRESSING
17:35REAL ANGER AT HAMAS, REAL, YOU
17:36KNOW, BLAMING THEM FOR -- FOR
17:40THIS TERRIBLE SITUATION THAT
17:42THEY FIND THEMSELVES IN, AND
17:45EVEN BEFORE OCTOBER 7th, THERE
17:48WERE PROTESTS BY GAZANS AGAINST
17:53HAMAS FOR BAD GOVERNANCE AND ALL
17:54THE OTHER THINGS, BUT I NEED TO
17:56ASK YOU, BECAUSE MANY ISRAELIS
17:57HAVE SAID, THERE'S NO SUCH THING
17:58AS A GAZAN CIVILIAN.
17:59EVERYBODY'S HAMAS.
18:01AND YOU YOURSELF ARE QUOTED
18:03RIGHT AFTER OCTOBER 7th AS
18:07SAYING THE FOLLOWING.
18:08FIRST OF ALL, CLOSE ALL SUPPLIES
18:10TO GAZA.
18:11I THINK IN THIS BATTLE, WE
18:13SHOULD NOT ALLOW A HUMANITARIAN
18:14EFFORT.
18:15YOU HAVE TO TELL THEM, LISTEN,
18:16UNTIL THE HOSTAGES ARE NOT
18:18RELEASED, FOR ALL WE CARE, YOU
18:20WILL STARVE TO DEATH.
18:21IT'S COMPLETELY LEGITIMATE.
18:23SO, THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID, I
18:25MEAN, YOU ARE THE LABOR LEADER,
18:26BUT IT'S ALSO COMMENTS THAT THE
18:29ICC STATED AS A REASON FOR
18:36SEEKING ARREST WARRANTS.
18:37DID YOU MEAN THAT THEN?
18:38AND DO YOU MEAN IT NOW?
18:41>> WELL, WHAT WAS REASONABLE AND
18:45EVEN, YOU KNOW, THE RIGHT THING
18:47TO DO IN THE VERY FIRST DAYS OF
18:48THE WAR IS IRRELEVANT RIGHT NOW.
18:51AND THEREFORE, WE NEED TO BE
18:55REALISTIC AND WE NEED TO LOOK TO
18:56THE FUTURE.
18:57LOOKING AT THE FUTURE, WE NEED
19:00ON THE ONE HAND, SAY THE
19:02FOLLOWING.
19:03FIRST, WE NEED TO FIGHT HAMAS IN
19:07THE MOST DECISIVE MANNER, AS
19:10LONG AS IT'S NEEDED.
19:12AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE NEED TO
19:14PROVIDE ALL GAZAN CITIZENS
19:17REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE, POSITIVE
19:20ALTERNATIVE, THAT ENSURES THEIR
19:22PROSPERITY, AND AT THE SAME
19:23TIME, ENSURE SECURITY FOR
19:24ISRAEL.
19:26I THINK IT'S QUITE SIMPLE.
19:28IT'S HARD TO IMPLEMENT, BUT THE
19:29PRINCIPLE IS SIMPLE.
19:32AND CONCERNING THE
19:33IMPLEMENTATION, WE CAN -- WE
19:36CANNOT DO IT ALONE.
19:37WE NEED TO WORK HARD WITH
19:40EGYPTIANS, WITH THE SAUDI
19:42ARABIA, WITH UNITED EMIRATES,
19:45WITH OTHER POSITIVE REGIONS, OF
19:48COURSE WITH THE UNITED STATES OF
19:49AMERICA, IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE
19:50THAT, YES, FOR THE GAZANS, THERE
19:51IS A REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE THAT
19:55WE CAN TRUST.
19:56IT WON'T HAPPEN IN DAYS OR
19:59MONTHS, OUT'S A MATTER OF YEARS,
20:00BUT WE NEED TO MOVE WITH THIS
20:06PROCESS FORWARD, IN ORDER TO
20:07SECURE OUR CITIZENS.
20:08IT'S NOT FOR THEM.
20:10IT'S FOR US, AND I -- I WOULD
20:12LIKE TO REPEAT IT.
20:13IT'S NOT FOR THEM.
20:14IT'S FOR US, AND WE NEED TO DO
20:16IT IN THE MOST DECISIVE,
20:20DELIBERATED MANNER.
20:21>> SO, YOU SAID THERE NEEDS TO
20:22BE AN ELECTION.
20:23THERE NEEDS TO BE A CHANGE IN
20:25ISRAEL, A CHANGE IN DIRECTION.
20:26DO YOU -- YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT
20:28A COALITION.
20:29DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD, A, TRY
20:33TO GET A COALITION WITH BENNY
20:36GANTZ AND THOSE MEMBERS OF THE
20:37OPPOSITION, IS THAT POSSIBLE?
20:39AND B, HOW DO YOU COME TO AN
20:41ELECTION?
20:42BECAUSE ONE IS NOT PLANNED FOR A
20:43COUPLE OF YEARS.
20:47>> WELL, LET ME -- LET ME BEGIN
20:50MY ANSWER WITH THE SECOND PART
20:51OF THE QUESTION, IN ORDER TO
20:53BRING ELECTIONS AS SOON AS
20:54POSSIBLE, WE NEED TO BE IN THE
20:56STREETS, WE NEED TO BE MILLION
20:57PEOPLE IN THE STREETS EVERY DAY,
20:59EVERY NIGHT, IN ORDER TO FORCE
21:00THIS GOVERNMENT TO ADMIT THAT
21:02THEY CANNOT CONTROL -- THEY
21:05CANNOT LEAD THE ISRAELI PEOPLE
21:06ANYMORE.
21:08AND CONCERNING FUTURE
21:11COALITIONS, I'M -- I SWEAR TO
21:14SIT WITH ANYONE.
21:18WE ARE, YOU KNOW, A -- A
21:21DEMOCRACY, AND WE NEED TO
21:25LEGITIMIZE EVERY ELEMENT IN
21:27ISRAELI SOCIETY EXCEPT THOSE
21:29THAT ARE TOTALLY CORRUPTED, LIKE
21:32NETANYAHU, AND WE WON'T SEE IT,
21:36AND THERE IS NO COMPARISON
21:37CONCERNING THAT, WITH THE MOST
21:40EXTREME VIOLENT ELEMENTS OF THE
21:42GOVERNMENT, SO, THEREFORE, I
21:43HAVE NO INTENTION TO SIT WITH
21:46THEM.
21:48>> AND JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION,
21:50BECAUSE I'M MOVING ONTO A UNICEF
21:52GUEST IN GAZA.
21:53THERE WAS MEANT TO BE A TACTICAL
21:54PAUSE FOR DELIVERING
21:57HUMANITARIAN AID, BUT FIGHTING
21:57CONTINUES, AND AS SUCH, THERE
22:00HASN'T BEEN THE ABILITY TO --
22:03TO, YOU KNOW, FREE UP MORE
22:06HUMANITARIAN AID.
22:07WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT?
22:08DO YOU THINK THERE SHOULD BE
22:09MORE AID GOING IN?
22:13>> WELL, I THINK THAT CONCERNING
22:16HUMANITARIAN AID, ISRAEL SHOULD
22:20BE EXTREMELY GENEROUS CONCERNING
22:21THAT.
22:23BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE NEED
22:26INTERNATIONAL BACKING IN ORDER
22:27TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL AID THAT
22:30ENTERED THE GAZA STRIP GOES
22:32STRICTLY TO THE HANDS OF
22:36CIVILIANS, NOT TO THE HANDS OF
22:37HAMAS.
22:39THIS IS A TOUGH BUSINESS, THIS
22:40IS VERY COMPLICATED, THAT NEEDS,
22:43YOU KNOW, THE WILLINGNESS TO
22:46COPE WITH HAMAS MILITANTS INSIDE
22:49THE GAZA STRI UP TO NOW, I
22:51DON'T SEE ANY ELEMENT THAT THEY
22:52WANT TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR
22:54THAT, SO, WE NEED TO WORK ON IT
22:57WITH INTERNATIONAL ARENA, IN A
23:00VERY SERIOUS MANNER.
23:02>> YAIR GOLAN, THANK YOU VERY
23:05MUCH, NEW LEADER OF ISRAEL'S
23:06LABOR PARTY.
23:07THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US.
23:09>>> NOW, THERE ARE CONFLICTING
23:09SIGNALS OVER THE STRATEGY IN
23:12GAZA, AS WE SAID, THE MILITARY
23:14HAD ANNOUNCED A DAILY TACTICAL
23:15PAUSE IN ACTIVITY, ALONG THAT
23:17ROUTE THAT YOU CAN SEE NOW IN
23:18THE SOUTH, TO ALLOW AID TO BE
23:21DISTRIBUTED, BUT THE AGENCIES --
23:23THE U.N. AGENCIES SAY THEY HAVE
23:25NOT SEEN IMPROVEMENTS IN AID
23:27DISTRIBUTION.
23:28UNRWA IS WARNING THAT MORE THAN
23:2950,000 CHILDREN IN GAZA REQUIRE
23:31TREATMENT FOR ACUTE
23:33MALNUTRITION.
23:33THE IDF LATER CLARIFIED THAT
23:36THERE WOULD BE NO LETUP IN
23:37FIGHTING IN RAFAH, EVEN IN
23:40URGENT MEDICAL CASES.
23:42MANY PALESTINIANS ARE UNABLE TO
23:43GET THE ATTENTION THEY NEED.
23:45PAULA HANCOCKS HAS THIS REPORT
23:47ON 9-YEAR-OLD HANAN, FACING THAT
23:50PAINFUL REALITY.
23:50AND, OF COURSE, IT'S DIFFICULT
23:52TO WATCH, BUT HANAN'S PARENTS
23:54WANT THEIR DAUGHTER TO BE SEEN.
23:57>> Reporter: HANAN HAD GONE OUT
23:58TO BUY SOME SWEETS WHEN THE AIR
23:59STRIKE HIT.
24:04"I MISS SEEING MAMA," SHE SAYS.
24:07"I MISS MY MAMA AND MY SISTERS."
24:109-YEAR-OLD HANAN HAS NOT BEEN
24:12ABLE TO OPEN HER EYES SINCE THE
24:13STRIKE TEN DAYS AGO.
24:15DOCTORS SAY SHE HAS 20% BURNS ON
24:17HER FACE, HANDS, CHEST, AND LEG.
24:23ONE OF THOUSANDS OF PATIENTS
24:24TRAPPED INSIDE GAZA WITHOUT HOPE
24:26OF THE TREATMENT THEY NEED.
24:30HER MOTHER SAYS, "SHE TELLS ME,
24:32I WANT TO PLAY.
24:32WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO DESERVE
24:34THIS?
24:34SHE CAN'T SLEEP PROPERLY BECAUSE
24:36OF THE PAIN, HER WHOLE BODY
24:38HURTS."
24:38SURROUNDED BY WAR FOR EIGHT
24:40MONTHS, THIS WAS HANAN JUST
24:42HOURS BEFORE SHE WAS HIT.
24:43THEY HAD BEEN FORCED TO LEAVE
24:44THEIR HOME IN RAFAH WHEN THE
24:46ISRAELI MILITARY MOVED IN AND
24:48WERE SHELTERING IN SOMEONE'S
24:49GARDEN.
24:52HANAN SAYS, "MY SISTER WENT TO
24:54OUR GRANDFATHER AND ASKED FOR
24:56ONE SHEKEL FOR HER AND ONE FOR
24:57ME.
24:58I WENT TO THE SHOP AND WAS ABOUT
24:59TO PAY THE MAN AND A MISSILE
25:01FELL.
25:02I DIDN'T HEAR THE WHIZZING.
25:03I JUST SAW A RED LIGHT."
25:07HANAN'S DOCTOR SAYS SHE WAS IN
25:09CRITICAL CONDITION WHEN SHE
25:10ARRIVED.
25:10THEY REMOVED SHRAPNEL FROM HER
25:12FACE AND RECONSTRUCTED HER NOSE.
25:14HE SAYS THEY HAVE NO CHOICE BUT
25:16TO WAIT TO TRANSFER HER OUT OF
25:18GAZA, HOPING HER WOUNDS DON'T
25:19GET INFECTED.
25:24"MOST CHILDREN NEED MEDICAL
25:26TRANSFERS," HE SAYS, "MORE A
25:28MORE QUALIFIED TREATMENT THAN
25:30HERE.
25:30WE DON'T HAVE THE TREATMENT, THE
25:32TOOLS.
25:32WE DON'T HAVE THE SUPPLIES."
25:36THE RAFAH CROSSING HAS BEEN
25:37CLOSED SINCE MAY 7th, WHEN THE
25:39ISRAELI MILITARY TOOK CONTROL.
25:42EGYPT SAYS IT WILL NOT OPEN THE
25:43CROSSING UNTIL THE ISRAELI
25:44MILITARY WITHDRAWS FOR SECURITY
25:45REASONS.
25:47ONE EGYPTIAN SOLDIER WAS KILLED
25:49LAST MONTH IN FIGHTING ALONG THE
25:50BORDER.
25:52ISRAEL SAYS THEY WILL NOT HAND
25:52OVER CONTROL OF THE CROSSING TO
25:55PALESTINIAN AUTHORITIES, FEARING
25:57HAMAS WOULD USE THE AREA TO
25:58SMUGGLE IN WEAPONS.
26:01>> THE RAFAH CROSSING SHOULD BE
26:03REOPENED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE,
26:05OR THERE SHOULD BE AN
26:07ALTERNATIVE.
26:07WE HAVE NO ESTIMATION AT THE
26:09MOMENT HOW MANY OF THE PATIENTS
26:10WHICH SHOULD HAVE LEFT ACTUALLY
26:12HAVE ALREADY PASSED AWAY.
26:16>> Reporter: THIS WOMAN SAYS SHE
26:17WAS DISPLACED THREE TIMES WHILE
26:19PREGNANT.
26:20HER BABY BORN FOUR DAYS EARLIER
26:24HAS A HEART DEFECT.
26:25SPENDING MOST OF HER YOUNG LIFE
26:26IN AN INCUBATOR.
26:28"THE DOCTORS DID WHAT WAS
26:30NECESSARY," SHE SAYS, "BUT SAY
26:32SHE MUST BE TRANSFERRED OUT OF
26:33GAZA QUICKLY."
26:36SHE ADDS, "ONE OF THE DOCTORS
26:38TOLD ME NOT TO HAVE HIGH HOPES.
26:40THAT SENTENCE IS SO DIFFICULT TO
26:41HEAR."
26:45SHE'S NOT THE ONLY BABY
26:47DESPERATELY NEEDING MEDICAL
26:48TREATMENT OUTSIDE OF GAZA.
26:52HER DOCTOR CONFIRMS, IF THESE
26:54CHILDREN DO NOT GET TREATMENT,
26:55THEY ARE LIKELY TO DIE.
26:59ALI HAS A BROKEN SPINE, RIBS,
27:01AND LEG AFTER AN AIR STRIKE HIT
27:03HIS HOUSE, KILLING HIS SIBLINGS,
27:06HIS AUNT SAYS.
27:07WITHOUT URGENT SPECIALIZED
27:08TREATMENT OUT OF GAZA, SHE HAS
27:10BEEN TOLD BY DOCTORS HE MAY BE
27:12PARALYZED.
27:12FOR THESE CHILDREN, ESCAPING
27:14GAZA MAY BE THEIR ONLY HOPE OF A
27:15FUTURE.
27:19>> EIGHT MONTHS NOW, PAULA
27:20HANCOCKS REPORTING ON THE
27:22CHILDREN THAT ARE BEARING SUCH A
27:23HEAVY BRUNT.
27:24>>> MY NEXT GUEST HAS BEEN IN
27:26GAZA FOR A WEEK.
27:27HIS THIRD TRIP TO THE ENCLAVE,
27:29WITNESSING THE DIFFICULTIES OF
27:31DELIVERING AID FIRST-HAND.
27:32UNICEF SPOKESPERSON JAMES ELDER
27:34SAYS IT TOOK HIM 13 HOURS TO
27:36TRAVEL 40 KILOMETERS, SPENDING
27:38EIGHT HOURS HELD AT CHECKPOINTS.
27:40AND HE JOINS ME NOW FROM RAFAH.
27:45WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.
27:46>> THANKS, CHRISTIANE.
27:48>> CAN I JUST ASK YOU, BECAUSE
27:49THE REPORTING STARTED WITH --
27:50WITH THIS POOR CHILD, HANAN, BUT
27:55ALSO, THE CLOSURE OF THE RAFAH
27:57POINT FOR JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING.
27:58WE'VE SEEN SICK AND DISTRESSED
28:02CHILDREN HAVE BEEN ALLOWED OUT,
28:04THEY'VE GOT TO HOSPITALS IN THE
28:05UAE, IN QATAR, ET CETERA.
28:08FROM WHERE YOU STAND NOW, IS
28:08THERE ANY QUESTION THAT MAYBE
28:14SOME OF THESE CHILDREN WILL BE
28:14ALLOWED OUT?
28:18>> NO, AT THE MOMENT.
28:19I MEAN, TO SEE HANAN -- I WAS
28:23JUST AT THE HOSPITAL A COUPLE OF
28:24HOURS AGO --
28:25>> JAMES?
28:26WE HAVE SOME AUDIO DIFFICULTIES,
28:29SO I WOULD LIKE YOU TO STAND BY,
28:30AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO CALL
28:33BACK AND GET A BETTER AUDIO
28:35CONNECTION.
28:35IN THE MEANTIME, WE'RE GOING TO
28:36GO TO ANOTHER REPORT, BUT PLEASE
28:38STAND BY FOR SEVERAL MINUTES,
28:40AND WE'LL TRY TO BE BACK TO YOU.
28:42>>> AND SO, NEXT, WE DO GO TO
28:43THE BLACK EXPERIENCE IN
28:45MODERN-DAY BRITAIN.
28:47"QUEENIE" IS A NEW TV SERIES
28:48ABOUT A
28:53WOMAN
28:54NAVIGATING LONDON LIFE.
28:55STRUGGLING WITH PERSONAL
28:56RELATIONSHIPS TO HER CULTURAL
28:58IDENTITY.
28:58TAKE A LOOK.
29:00>> I'M LOUD.
29:02SASSY, CONFRONTATIONAL.
29:03DIDN'T NOT BE A STRONG BLACK
29:04WOMAN.
29:06A GIRL'S VULNERABLE.
29:07IS THIS YOU?
29:08I CAN'T BREATHE.
29:10I'M SO FAR FROM WHERE I WAS -- I
29:12DON'T EVEN RECOGNIZE MYSELF.
29:18>> I'VE SEEN YOU CONQUER THINGS
29:19THAT ARE MUCH HARDER.
29:20>> THE SERIES IS BASED ON THE
29:22NOVEL BY CANDICE CARTY-WILLIAMS,
29:23AND SHE'S JOINING MICHEL MARTIN
29:25NOW TO TALK ABOUT HOW THE SHOW
29:26AIMS TO DEFY RACIAL STEREOTYPES.
29:30>> THANKS, CHRISTIANE.
29:32CANDICE CARTY-WILLIAMS, THANK
29:33YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.
29:34>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
29:35>> YOU HAVE DESCRIBED "QUEENIE"
29:39AS THE BLACK BRIDGET JONES.
29:40FOR PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT KNOW WHAT
29:42THAT MEANS, JUST SAY MORE ABOUT
29:43THAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
29:45>> SO, WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT
29:47THE BOOK, I REALLY WANTED PEOPLE
29:48TO THINK ABOUT THE SCALE OF WHAT
29:50THE BOOK SHOULD BE, AND SO,
29:53WHERE THIS ISN'T BRIDGET JONES,
29:56OBVIOUSLY, I REALLY WANTED
29:57PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE
29:59SCALE OF THIS BOOK SHOULD BE THE
30:02BRIDGET JONES GIRL, AND IT
30:03SHOULD BE IN EVERY HOUSEHOLD.
30:04>> PEOPLE LOVE HER SO MUCH.
30:05SHE'S SO -- SHE'S SO REAL, SHE'S
30:09REGULAR, SHE'S MESSY, SHE'S A
30:11LITTLE MESSY.
30:12SHE'S VERY SMART.
30:16I -- THROW SOME ADJECTIVES OUT,
30:18TELL US ABOUT HER.
30:19WHO IS SHE?
30:21>> SHE'S SOMEONE WHO IS -- SHE'S
30:24OFTEN DESCRIBED AS A PROBLEMATIC
30:27FAVE, WHICH I REALLY LIKE.
30:28SHE'S FUNNY AND SHE'S SMART AND
30:30SHE'S QUESTIONING AND SHE'S
30:31HEARTBROKEN, AND SHE IS KIND AND
30:34SHE IS INQUISITIVE AND SHE IS
30:35SOMEONE WHO IS TRYING TO BE
30:40STRONG, I WOULD SAY.
30:40>> HOW DID SHE COME TO YOU, AS A
30:41CHARACTER?
30:43>> SO, I KNEW THAT I WANTED TO
30:44WRITE A BLACK WOMAN WHO WAS
30:48TRYING TO BREAK FREE OF THE
30:50STRONG BLACK WOMAN TROPE, AND I
30:52WAS LIKE, THAT'S PROBABLY QUITE
30:54EASY TO DO, SHE JUST HAS TO
30:55REJECT EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN
30:57PUT ONTO ME AND LIKE ME.
30:59AND WHEN I WAS ABOUT TO WRITE
31:00HER, SO, I WENT TO A WRITER'S
31:04RETREAT HOSTED BANE AUTHOR, AND
31:06ON THE WAY THERE, I WAS THINKING
31:09ABOUT WRITING SOMETHING, AND SHE
31:11CAME TO ME IN SORT OF BUILTS AND
31:13PIECES AND STORIES I'D HEARD,
31:15THINGS I'D SEEN OR THINGS THAT
31:17MY FRIENDS HAD TOLD ME OR THINGS
31:18I'VE SEEN ON THE INTERNET, OR,
31:20YOU KNOW, MAYBE A COUPLE OF
31:22EXPERIENCES WITH DATING AND THE
31:24LIKE, AND WHEN I STARTED WRITING
31:25HER, I JUST KIND OF HAD A FULLY
31:29FORMED CHARACTER.
31:30AND I JUST HAD TO FOLLOW WHERE
31:32SHE TOOK ME.
31:32>> LOOK, SHE'S A SMART, FUNNY,
31:36YOU KNOW, SPICY BLACK WOMAN, AND
31:38SO ARE YOU, SO, OBVIOUSLY,
31:39PEOPLE WANT TO SEE IT AS, YOU
31:40KNOW, BIOGRAPHY, AS MEMOIR.
31:44BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
31:46>> NO, NO, NO, NO.
31:48IT'S SO INTERESTING, BECAUSE,
31:50YOU KNOW, IF I PUT MYSELF -- IF
31:52I HAD WRITTEN AND PUT MYSELF IN
31:54IT, THEN MAYBE YOU COULD BE,
31:56LIKE, IS THAT YOU?
31:58BUT I JUST WANTED TO PRESENT A
32:01FICTIONAL CHARACTER TO THE
32:02WORLD -- WE MIGHT HAVE THINGS IN
32:04COMMON, WE ARE BOTH FROM SOUTH
32:05LONDON, WE BOTH HAVE JAMAICAN
32:07FAMILY, BUT YOU KNOW, WE DIE
32:08VERGE IN A LOT OF WATTS.
32:10AND I THINK ISSA RAE PUT IT
32:17BEST, SHE WANTED TO WRITTEN A
32:18CHARACTER THAT WAS OUTSIDE ON A
32:19FRIDAY NIGHT, BECAUSE SHE WAS
32:21INSIDE ON A FRIDAY NIGHT.
32:21I CAN RELATE TO THAT.
32:22>> YOU SAID THIS IN ONE OF THE
32:24MANY INTERVIEWS THAT YOU
32:25APPROPRIATELY HAVE DONE TO
32:26CELEBRATE YOUR WORK, YOU SAID
32:28YOU WERE DESPERATE FOR A BLACK
32:29WOMAN THAT WASN'T THE SASSY
32:31SIDEKICK OR ANGRY GIRLFRIEND,
32:33BUT WAS JUST REAL AND HONEST.
32:35SAY MORE ABOUT THAT.
32:38>> YOU KNOW, THE PRESENTATIONS
32:40THAT WE HAD OF BLACK WOMEN
32:42GROWING UP WERE ALWAYS THAT
32:45PERSON, THEY WERE OFTEN THE
32:46SASSY BEST FRIEND, THE MAGICAL
32:47NEGRO, THEY WERE THE ANGRY
32:50GIRLFRIEND, AND I WAS LIKE, OH,
32:52BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CONFIDENT
32:55COLLEAGUE?
32:56AND I MYSELF AM A RELATIVELY SHY
32:58PERSON.
32:59I REMEMBER THINKING I WAS NEVER
33:00GOOD ENOUGH, BECAUSE I COULD NOT
33:01MATCH UP OR BE AS LOUD OR
33:03CONFIDENT OR STAND UP FOR
33:04MYSELF.
33:05AND I REALIZED ACTUALLY, I AM
33:07NOT THOSE THINGS, AND I DID
33:09THINK I WOULD BE ALONE IN THOSE
33:11THINGS.
33:11SO, I WANTED QUEENIE TO BE A
33:13LEAD CHARACTER, I WANTED HER NOT
33:14TO BE SOMEONE WHO COMES THROUGH,
33:19YOU WANT MORE OF HER.
33:21I WANTED HER TO BE FRONT AND
33:22CENTER AND TO BE SURROUNDED BY A
33:24CAST OF PEOPLE WHO WERE EQUALLY
33:26SMART AND FUN AND INTERESTING
33:28AND ENGAGING.
33:28>> SO, QUEENIE, OF COURSE,
33:31STARTLED AS A NOVEL, BEST
33:33SELLER, AND WAS ADAPT INTO THIS
33:36EIGHT-EPISODE SERIES, IT'S
33:38CALLED A DRAMA, BUT IT'S MORE OF
33:40A DRAMEDY.
33:42I MEAN, THERE'S LOTS OF
33:44LAUGHTER, EVEN WHEN SHE'S
33:47GETTING A GYNECOLOGICAL EXAM.
33:54I'VE NEVER SEEN A TELEVISION
33:55SHOW START WITH THAT CAMERA
33:56ANGLE.
33:57>> THINGS I SHOULD HAVE DONE
33:58TODAY.
33:59ONE, HAD A WAX.
34:00TWO, NOT HAD ANOTHER DUMB
34:03THREE, PREPARED FOR MY PITCH.
34:05HOW LONG IS THIS GOING TO TAKE?
34:07>> I'M AFRAID IT'S GOING TO TAKE
34:09AS LONG AS IT NEEDS.
34:10SO, WHAT DO YOU DO?
34:11>> SO, VERY REAL.
34:12AND YOU'RE ALSO THE EXECUTIVE
34:13PRODUCER AND YOU'RE THE SHOW
34:15RUNNER, SO, YOU HAD THE
34:16OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF REALLY
34:18SHAPE THIS PROJECT.
34:20WHEN YOU WERE ADAPTING THE
34:22NOVEL, YOU KNOW IT WAS ALREADY
34:24VERY WELL LOVED AND YOU'RE
34:25ADAPTING IT FOR THE SCREEN, WHAT
34:26WAS YOUR PRIMARY CONSIDERATION?
34:28WHAT WAS FRONT AND CENTER FOR
34:29YOU?
34:29>> I THINK BECAUSE I WAS WORKING
34:32WITH THREE SETS OF EXECUTIVES,
34:35MY THEME WAS PROTECTING QUEENIE,
34:37PROTECTING HER WORLD, AND
34:38PROTECTING THE POLITICS OF THE
34:39SHOW.
34:40AND I'VE ALWAYS -- I ALWAYS
34:41WANTED QUEENIE TO BE BOLD AND
34:46POLITICAL AND SAY WHAT SHE
34:47NEEDED TO SAY.
34:49>> WE FOCUS ON THE BIG NAMES.
34:50BUT YEAH, THANK YOU TO MARY FOR
34:52EVERYTHING YOU DID, BUT --
34:53>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
34:54>> I JUST MEANT THAT -- IT WAS
34:57NICE TO SEE MANY OF THE MAROONS,
35:04AND EVEN DON BUTLER.
35:06OH, AND -- I THINK IT'S
35:12IMPORTANT TO BREAK THE TRADITION
35:13OF WHAT A BLACK WOMAN HAS ALWAYS
35:17BEEN.
35:18ALSO, TO SHIFT THE FOCUS AWAY
35:19FOR WHAT SHE DID FOR WHITE
35:20PEOPLE.
35:21>> YEAH, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY,
35:22TRADITION IS PEER PRESSURE FROM
35:24DEAD PEOPLE, SO --
35:25>> ALSO, I WANTED TO HAVE THE
35:26THROUGH LINE OF HER FAMILY AND
35:28THE TRAUMA, AND EVERYTHING THAT
35:29SHE'S GONE THROUGH, AND SO, IT
35:32WAS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT I
35:33COULD MAKE THOSE THINGS HEARD.
35:35AND, YES, A DRAMA WITH QUEENIE,
35:39AND IT WASN'T MEANT TO BE SO, I
35:41THINK IT ENDS UP BEING FUNNY,
35:42BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO
35:44BE FUNNY IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK
35:45ABOUT REALLY DIFFICULT THINGS,
35:47WHICH ISN'T NECESSARY, BUT
35:48THAT'S DEFINITELY THE PERSON I
35:49AM.
35:50I'M SOMEONE THAT, IF YOU WANT TO
35:51TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S VERY
35:54HARD-HITTING, I'M GOING TO SORT
35:55OF WRAP IT UP FIRST NICELY, SO
35:58YOUR BACK ISN'T UP, YOU KNOW?
35:59>> YOU SAID THAT QUEENIE IS
36:031,000 TIMES MORE POLITICAL THAN
36:05BRIDGET JONES.
36:06AND ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WAS
36:07EXPRESSED, YOU SEE HER AT WORK.
36:09SO, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
36:10THAT.
36:11>> SO, QUEENIE JOINED "THE DAILY
36:16READER," FOR REASONS OF
36:21COPYRIGHT, ET CETERA, AND SHE
36:24JOINED AS A SOCIAL MEDIA
36:25ASSISTANCE, BUT HER PLAN WAS TO
36:27SORT OF SNEAK IN AND THEN START
36:29WRITING PIECES AND CHANGING THE
36:30WORD, AND IN THE NOVEL, SHE'S
36:34CONSTANTLY PITCHING ABOUT
36:35POLITICAL MATTERS YOU
36:36ENVIRONMENTAL MATTERS, BLACK
36:38MATTERS, AND SHE'S ALWAYS BEEN
36:40SHOT DOWN.
36:40>> THIS IS WHAT I'M AT "THE
36:43DAILY READER" TO DO.
36:43I'M GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD.
36:50BUT NOT TODAY.
36:54>> HEY.
36:54KEEP YOUR HEAD UP.
36:55YOU GOT THIS.
36:56>> THE NEW BOY MAKES ONE GOOD
36:58PITCH AND HE'S GIVING MEED A
36:58VUS.
37:01>> YOU'RE ALMOST THERE.
37:02BUT MAYBE WE CAN WORK ON YOUR
37:05DELIVERY.
37:05>> QUEENIE, COULD I GRAB YOU FOR
37:07A SECOND?
37:08>> AND SO, QUEENIE, IN THE
37:10WORKPLACE, IS SOMEWHERE WHERE
37:10SHE IS, I GUESS, IN THE BIGGEST
37:13WAY, SHINING BOTH CULTURES,
37:15BECAUSE SHE'S TRIED TO COME INTO
37:17THIS SPACE AND TRIED TO MAKE
37:18HERSELF HEARD AND TRIED TO
37:20CHANGE THE WORLD AND LET
37:21EVERYONE KNOW THERE'S STUFF
37:22GOING ON IN YOUR OWN BACKWARD
37:25THAT YOU'RE NOT SEEING OR
37:26THINKING ABOUT, BUT SHE'S
37:27CONSTANTLY PUSHED DOWN AND TOLD,
37:29JUST STAY IN YOUR LANE,
37:32EFFECTIVELY.
37:33AND SHE WAS THE ONLY BLACK
37:33PERSON IN THE OFFICE, AS I HAVE
37:35OFTEN BEEN MANY TIMES, I THINK
37:36EVERY TIME, AND SO, FOR ME
37:41WRITING THAT, IT WAS THINKING
37:42ABOUT HOW THERE ARE SO MANY
37:45BLACK WOMEN, THE ONLY BLACK
37:46WOMEN IN THE WORK IF PLACE, AND
37:48I ACTUALLY WENT TO SOUTH AFRICA
37:50TO TALK ABOUT THIS BOOK, AND
37:51LOADS OF WOMEN WERE LIKE, YOU'RE
37:52IN SOUTH AFRICA, WHICH IS, YOU
37:54KNOW, THERE ARE BLACK PEOPLE
37:55HERE, BUT I'M STILL THAT PERSON,
37:56AND IT REALLY HELPED ME TO
37:59UNDERSTAND WHAT IT FELT LIKE.
38:00AND SO, IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT
38:01FOR ME TO CAPTURE THAT AND TO
38:03CAPTURE THAT HOSTILITY YOU FEEL
38:04WHEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, A DOZEN
38:06EYES ON YOU THAT ARE KIND OF
38:07LIKE, WHY IS SHE HERE?
38:09WHAT DOES SHE WANT TO DO?
38:10SHE'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
38:11>> I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS
38:12THAT PEOPLE WILL ENJOY AND
38:16FEEL -- JUST REALLY APPRECIATE,
38:19WHICH IS THE WAY YOU LIFT UP
38:21FRIENDSHIPS, QUEENIE'S
38:23FRIENDSHIPS ARE VERY IMPORTANT
38:23TO HER.
38:25I JUST WANT YOU TO TALK A LITTLE
38:26BIT ABOUT THAT.
38:26HOW DID THIS IDEA COME TO YOU,
38:28AND WHY WAS IT SO IMPORTANT?
38:30>> SO, IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR ME
38:32IN THIS REALM OF QUEENIE
38:36STRUGGLING TWO WORLDS, THE
38:38INTERSECTION OF FRIENDSHIP THAT
38:39SITS KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE
38:41SPACE, AND ACTUALLY, THE PEOPLE
38:42WHO KNOW HER FOR WHO SHE IS, NOT
38:44THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKE, WELL,
38:46YOU'RE WORKING WITH ME, OR HAVE
38:48FAMILY LIKE, THIS IS WHO YOU
38:49NEED TO BE.
38:50AND I REALLY WANTED TO SHOW THE
38:52FRIENDS AS SHE'S CHOSEN A SHE
38:53HAS GONE THROUGH HER LIFE.
38:54SHE HAS A FRIEND FROM SCHOOL,
38:56FROM UNIVERSITY, FROM WORK, AND
38:59THEY KIND OF KNOW THE TRUEST
39:01SENSE OF HER.
39:02AND THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT.
39:03I THINK WITHOUT FRIENDSHIPS, A
39:04LOT OF US, YOU KNOW, OUR
39:13FRIENDSHIPSIDENTITY.
39:15YOU HAVE CASSANDRA, WHO IS A
39:17LITTLE BIT FROSTIER, SHE'S THE
39:19PERSON THAT SORT OF TRIES TO
39:21STEER QUEENIE IN THE RIGHT
39:22DIRECTION, EVEN THOUGH IT
39:23DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK, AND YOU
39:24HAVE DARCY, WHO IS KIND, MAYBE A
39:26LITTLE BIT TOO KIND TO HER,
39:28BECAUSE SHE CAN SEE WHAT
39:30QUEENIE'S GOING THROUGH, OR HAS
39:31GONE THROUGH, BUT I THINK THAT
39:33WE SEE OURSELVES THROUGH OUR
39:34FRIENDS A LOT OF THE TIME, AND I
39:36WANTED QUEENIE TO BE ABLE TO
39:38TELL HER PROBLEMS TO HER FRIENDS
39:40AND THEN THEY COME BACK WITH
39:41THEIR DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF WHAT
39:42SHE SHOULD DO AND HOW THEY SEE
39:44HER.
39:44>> THE OTHER THING IS THAT
39:46SHE'S -- AS WE MEET HER, SHE'S
39:49KIND OF NAVIGATING HER
39:51RELATIONSHIP WITH HER WHITE
39:52BOYFRIEND, TOM.
39:53>> YEAH.
39:53>> AND HIS FAMILY.
39:54I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY -- IT
39:56WAS FUNNY, BUT IT WAS ALSO VERY
39:57POIGNANT.
39:58TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
40:00>> WELL, YOU KNOW, WE COME INTO
40:01THE POINT WHERE QUEENIE AND TOM
40:05HAVE BEEN HAVING SOME PROBLEMS
40:06AND SHE'S CHALKED IT UP TO, OH,
40:08YOU KNOW, I'VE MOVED HOUSE, I'VE
40:12JUST GOT ADJUSTED TO LIVING WITH
40:13YOU, AND AS WE GET INTO IT, WE
40:16RECOGNIZE THAT WHAT'S ACTUALLY
40:17HAPPENED IS, HER MOVING HAS
40:20DISRUPTED THIS IDEA OF HOME,
40:22THAT SHE DOESN'T HAVE A GOOD
40:23RELATIONSHIP TO IN HER HEAD.
40:26WE SEE WHAT HOME MEANS TO HER,
40:27WHAT RELATIONSHIPS MEAN TO HER,
40:29WHAT ABANDONMENT MEANS TO HER,
40:31WE START TO UNDERSTAND THAT
40:33THINGS HAVE -- SHE'S NOT TELLING
40:34HER BOYFRIEND WHO WAS GOING ON,
40:36AND HE'S HAD ENOUGH AND HE'S
40:37SOMEONE WHO SAYS, YOU KNOW,
40:39WE'VE ALL GOT STUFF.
40:42>> I SHOULD HAVE HANDLED THAT
40:44BETTER.
40:44>> HE SHOULD HAVE HANDLED THAT
40:46BETTER.
40:46>> UGH.
40:47GEEZ.
40:48YOU SCARED ME.
40:51>> WHAT'S GOING ON WITH YOU?
40:53>> WHAT YOUR GRAND SAID WASN'T
40:55OKAY?
40:56YOU KNOW THAT --
40:56>> AND YOU KNOW IT'S NOT OKAY TO
41:00TELL MY GRAN THAT.
41:03>> FINE.
41:04YOU'RE NOT.
41:05THIS IS WHAT I'M SAYING --
41:06>> I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO
41:07THIS.
41:08IT'S LATE --
41:08>> WELL, THERE'S ALWAYS A REASON
41:10YOU'RE NOT ON MY SIDE.
41:11>> I CAN'T ALWAYS BE ON YOUR
41:13SIDE, BECAUSE I CAN'T ALWAYS BE
41:15ANGRY.
41:15>> ALWAYS ANGRY?
41:16>> AND SO THEY GO ON WHAT
41:22QUEENIE THINKS IS A BREAK, AND
41:23SHE DOES A LOT OF THINGS THAT
41:26DISTRACT HER, BUT IN THE BACK OF
41:28HER MIND, SHE HAS THIS IDEA OF
41:30THEIR RELATIONSHIP RESUMING AND
41:31BEING OKAY AGAIN, BUT ACTUALLY,
41:32WHAT SHE NEEDS TO THINK ABOUT IS
41:35HER RELATIONSHIP TO HERSELF,
41:38OTHER THAN ANYONE ELSE,
41:39OBVIOUSLY.
41:39>> I THINK PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN
41:41IN RELATIONSHIPS WITH PEOPLE OF
41:42A DIFFERENT BACKGROUND WILL
41:44RELATE TO SOME OF THESE
41:46FRICTIONS.
41:46HIS FAMILY AND SOME OF THE
41:47RIDICULOUS THINGS THAT SOMETIMES
41:48PEOPLE SAY, YOU KNOW --
41:51>> I HAVE TO ADMIT, THEY WILL BE
41:56LOVELY.
41:56COLOR OF MILKY COFFEE.
41:58THEY'LL HAVE YOUR EYES, QUEENIE,
42:03GORGEOUS.
42:04THEY'D GET TOM'S LOVELY STRAIGHT
42:04NOSE.
42:06>> BUT I THINK YOU'RE ALSO
42:08REALLY HONEST ABOUT SOME OF THE
42:09STUFF SHE'S BRINGING TO IT.
42:11YOU COULD HAVE SORT OF MADE HER
42:12A SAINT, YOU DIDN'T.
42:14I'M CURIOUS ABOUT HER -- HER OWN
42:16IMMATURITY.
42:16SHE COULD HAVE FIGURED OUT,
42:19LIKE, HOW TO COMMUNICATE BETTER,
42:22TO TELL HIM FROM, YOU KNOW
42:23WHAT'S GOING ON WITH HER?
42:25SHE DOESN'T.
42:25I WAS REALLY CURIOUS ABOUT THAT
42:26CHOICE.
42:28>> YOU KNOW, I THINK, THE THING
42:30IS, QUEENIE'S 25, AND I MEET SO
42:32MANY WOMEN WHO WANT HER TO, YOU
42:34KNOW, NAVIGATE HER PROBLEMS
42:35PROPERLY, THEY WANT HER TO TAKE
42:36A BREAK, THEY WANT HER TO GO TO
42:39THERAPY, THEY WANT HER TO NOT
42:40SLEEP AROUND, AND THEY WANTED TO
42:42SORT OF ANSWER ALL THE
42:44QUESTIONS, BUT I'M ALWAYS LIKE,
42:44SHE'S 25 YEARS OLD.
42:46AND THAT'S A LOT TO PUT ON A
42:4825-YEAR-OLD'S HEAD.
42:49SHE'S DOING EVERYTHING FOR THE
42:50FIRST TIME.
42:51THIS IS HER FIRST RELATIONSHIP.
42:52THIS IS HER FIRST BIG BREAKUP,
42:54THIS IS HER FIRST TIME MOVING
42:56HOUSE AND LIVING WITH SOMEONE.
42:58THIS IS HER FIRST TIME, YOU
42:59KNOW, SLEEPING AROUND WITH
43:01PEOPLE.
43:01AND SHE'S MAKING MISTAKES.
43:03AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE MET HER
43:05WHEN SHE WAS IN HER 30s, IT
43:07WOULD BE A VERY DIFFERENT THING.
43:09SHE WOULD BE KNOWING WHAT TO DO.
43:10SHE WOULD KNOW HOW TO DO IT,
43:12WHAT'S BEST FOR HER, BUT IN THIS
43:13INSTANCE, I REALLY WANTED TO
43:15PAINT HER AS A HUMAN PERSON WHO
43:17WE ARE FOLLOWING AS SHE KIND OF
43:20FIGURES THINGS OUT FOR THE FIRST
43:20TIME, YOU KNOW?
43:21IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT SHE
43:22WASN'T SOMEONE WHO HAD ALL THE
43:25ANSWERS, BECAUSE THEN WHERE WE
43:26WOULD GO, YOU KNOW?
43:28>> I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE THINGS
43:29THAT I THINK YOU'VE SAID IN THIS
43:30CONVERSATION, AND OTHERS, IS
43:31THAT THE WORK ITSELF, CREATING
43:34THESE CHARACTERS, PRESENTING
43:36THEM IN THEIR FULLNESS, IS ITS
43:37OWN MESSAGE.
43:38BUT APART FROM THAT, IS THERE
43:41ANY OTHER MESSAGE THAT YOU HOPE
43:43PEOPLE WILL DRAW FROM THE NOVEL
43:44AND FROM THE SERIES?
43:46>> I THINK ONE OF THE MOST
43:47IMPORTANT THINGS ABOUT QUEENIE
43:49IS THAT SHE'S TRYING HER BEST.
43:52I DO THINK THERE'S SOMETHING TO
43:53BE SAID FOR, YOU KNOW, WHEN I
43:55WROTE THIS NOVEL, I WAS TRYING
43:56MY BEST.
43:58WHEN I WROTE, YOU JUST TRY YOUR
44:02BEST.
44:02AND THAT'S ALL YOU CAN DO.
44:04LIFE WILL THROW THINGS AT YOU,
44:05BUT AS LONG AS YOU TRY YOUR
44:07BEST, YOU'LL BE OKAY.
44:07>> GOSH, IT'S BEEN A DELIGHT TO
44:10SPEAK WITH YOU.
44:10WHAT IS NEXT FOR YOU?
44:12>> A BIG REST IS NEXT FOR ME.
44:14JUST BECAUSE I'VE BEEN WRITING,
44:16AS I SAID, EVERY DAY FOR ABOUT
44:17EIGHT YEARS, BUT ALSO, WRITING
44:19ANOTHER NOVEL, WHICH IS REALLY
44:21NICE TO KIND OF GO BACK TO MY
44:24ROOTS.
44:24SO, THERE ARE A FEW PEOPLE WHO
44:26WANT TO DEVELOP A FEW PROJECTS,
44:28SO, I'VE JUST GOT TO FIGURE OUT
44:29THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
44:31BUT IT'S BEEN A REALLY GOOD
44:31TIME.
44:33JUST KIND OF COMING OUT OF THIS
44:34AND SORT OF HAVING TIME FOR
44:36MYSELF AGAIN.
44:36YEAH.
44:39BUT I LIKE TO SPEND TIME WITH MY
44:41FAMILY, MY FRIENDS, SO, IT'S
44:42BEEN NICE TO CATCH UP WITH THEM
44:45AND IT'S MY BIRTHDAY SOON, SO,
44:47I'M GOING TO SEE EVERYONE.
44:48>> WELL, HAPPY BIRTHDAY, HAPPY
44:51ALMOST BIRTHDAY.
44:51CONGRATULATIONS ON EVERYTHING.
44:54CANDICE CARTY-WILLIAMS, THANK
44:55YOU SO MUCH FOR SPEAKING WITH
44:55US.
44:56>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING
44:57ME.
45:00>> "QUEENIE" THE SERIES.
45:02>>> LET'S RETURN NOW TO OUR TOP
45:04STORY, ISRAEL'S WAR IN GAZA, AND
45:06BRING BACK IN JAMES ELDER, THE
45:09UNICEF SPOKESPERSON, STANDING BY
45:10IN RAFAH FOR US.
45:13JAMES, I'M GLAD YOU'RE BACK, I
45:14HOPE WE HAVE A BETTER AUDIO
45:15CONDITION, BECAUSE I WANT TO ASK
45:16YOU, YOU'VE BEEN IN RAFAH, IN
45:20GAZA, FOR ABOUT A WEEK NOW.
45:21JUST IN GENERAL, WHAT HAVE YOU
45:23SEEN, AND HOW DOES IT -- YOU
45:24KNOW, COMPARE TO WHAT YOU SAW
45:25WHEN YOU WERE THERE LAST?
45:31>> IT'S UTTERLY DIRE,
45:33CHRISTIANE.
45:33IT SHOULDN'T BE SURPRISING HOW
45:35MUCH WORSE THINGS ARE NOW,
45:37BECAUSE, OF COURSE, I HAVEN'T
45:37BEEN HERE FOR TWO MONTHS, AND IN
45:39THE LAST TWO MONTHS, IT'S BEEN
45:41RELENTLESS BOMBARDMENT, A
45:43FEROCIOUS BOMBARDMENT.
45:45IT'S -- I THOUGHT I UNDERSTOOD
45:46WHAT THE BOMBS ARE LIKE.
45:47THE PROXIMITY IS SUCH, IT'S LIKE
45:49SOMEONE BANGING POTS TO YOUR
45:51HEAD, THE ATTACK DRONES ARE LIKE
45:53A LAWN MOWER.
45:54THIS IS EVERY DAY FOR 25250
45:56DAYS.
45:59I WAS WITH DOCTORS, WALKING OVER
46:01CHILDREN MISSING LIMBS, WITH
46:03HORRENDOUS BURNS LIKE WE SAW
46:06EARLIER IN YOUR PROGRAM,
46:07CHILDREN THAT URGENTLY NEED
46:08MEDICAL ATTENTION OUTSIDE, BUT
46:10CANNOT GET IT.
46:10IF THEY CANNOT GET IT, THEY WILL
46:12DIE.
46:12AND AT THE SAME TIME, THEY'LL
46:15HAVE MORE BOMBARDMENTS TONIGHT.
46:17ON TOP OF THAT, CONTINUAL
46:20RESTRICTIONS OF AID, MEANING YOU
46:21HAVE A NUTRITIONAL PROBLEMS ON
46:28THE GROUND.
46:33SO, WE'VE HAD TWO MORE MONTHS OF
46:33THAT, SO THE PHYSICAL AND
46:37PSYCHOLOGICAL CAPACITY OF PEOPLE
46:39HAS BEEN SMASHED, AND THEY ARE
46:41JUST HOLDING ON, AND I MEAN JUST
46:43HOLDING ON.
46:43YES, THERE IS HOPE, GAZANS ARE
46:46AMAZINGLY RESILIENT.
46:47THERE IS A SPIRIT THAT I'VE NOT
46:48SEEN BEFORE, BUT I'VE HAD FAR
46:50TOO MANY YOUNG PEOPLE SAY TO ME,
46:52CHRISTIANE, THAT THEY DON'T MIND
46:53IF A MISSILE HITS THEIR TENT,
46:54THEY'RE DONE.
46:55AND THAT IS HARROWING, BUT THAT
46:57IS INDICATIVE OF JUST HOW BAD
46:59THINGS ARE HERE, AFTER 250 DAYS
47:00OF THIS.
47:02>> WOW.
47:03IT'S HORRIBLE TO HEAR CHILDREN
47:04SAYING SOMETHING AS AWFUL AS
47:08THAT, AND AS, YOU KNOW, FINAL AS
47:09THAT.
47:10I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU HEARD
47:12OUR FIRST GUEST TALKING ABOUT
47:14AID AND NEEDING TO GET AID INTO
47:17GAZA, AND YOU KNOW ABOUT THE
47:19GOVERNMENT HAVING, OR SOMEBODY
47:20IN ISRAEL HAVING CALLED FOR A
47:22TACTICAL PAUSE, AND THEN THE
47:23PRIME MINISTER SAYING HE DIDN'T
47:24KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT, AND NO,
47:27THEY'RE NOT LETTING UP IN THEIR
47:27FIGHTING.
47:30WHAT -- WHAT IS COMING IN, IF
47:32ANYTHING?
47:36>> YEAH, NOT NEARLY ENOUGH.
47:37AND IT'S SO IMPORTANT, IT'S
47:39ACTUALLY A GOOD QUESTION.
47:40WE HAVE TO GO WITH THEIR
47:42STATEMENTS.
47:42WE MUST LOOK AT EVIDENCE ON THE
47:43GROUND.
47:43ENOUGH OF THIS HE SAID/SHE SAID.
47:47WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FACTS ON
47:48THE GROUND.
47:49MANY LESS CROSSINGS OPEN THAN
47:51PREVIOUSLY, SO, AREAS IN THE
47:54NORTH IS CLOSED.
47:55RAFAH, CHRISTIANE, THE LIFELINE
47:56FOR HUMANITARIAN AID, HAS NOT
47:58BEEN OPEN SINCE THAT OFFENSIVE
47:59STARTED IN -- ON THE SIXTH OR
48:02SEVENTH OF MAY.
48:03THAT WAS THE SO-CALLED LIMITED
48:05OFFENSIVE.
48:05THAT LIMITED OFFENSIVE, QUOTE
48:07UNQUOTE, HAS LED TO A MILLION
48:09MORE PEOPLE HAVING TO LEAVE.
48:10GO FROM THEIR HOMES, ONTO
48:12RUBBLE, AND THEN PICK UP THEIR
48:13TENTS FROM RUBBLE AND LEAVE
48:14SOMEWHERE ELSE.
48:16SO, THERE'S -- THAT HUMANITARIAN
48:18CROSSING IS SHUT.
48:19EVEN WHEN WE SEEK SO GET AID IN,
48:21THE KEY THING TO REMEMBER IS,
48:22IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT GETTING IT
48:24IN, AND THERE'S FAR TOO LITTLE
48:25COMING IN.
48:26THAT'S WHY WE HAVE AN
48:29UNPRECEDENTED NUTRITION CRISIS
48:30FOR THE YOUNGEST CHILDREN IN
48:31GAZA.
48:32IT'S A SAFE PLACE, ENABLING WAY
48:33TO DELIVER THAT AID, TO GO NORTH
48:35TO SOUTH, AND THAT REMAINS THE
48:37RESPONSIBILITY OF THE OCCUPYING
48:39POWER OF ISRAEL.
48:40AND THERE IS A REASON WHY WE
48:41HAVE SUCH SHORTAGES OF WATER, OF
48:44MEDICINES, OF FOOD, OF ALL THE
48:44THINGS THAT PEOPLE NEED.
48:47I'VE SEEN DENIALS OF SO MANY
48:51THINGS.
48:52I HAD A WOMAN OUTSIDE A HOSPITAL
48:53A FEW DAYS AGO COME TO ME IN
48:55TEARS, A MISSILE HIT THEIR HOME,
48:57HER HUSBAND HAD BEEN KILLED, SHE
48:59HAD HER TWO CHILDREN IN TEARS,
49:00JUST ASKING FOR A TENT.
49:03JUST DENIAL OF DIGNITY.
49:04WE JUST HAVE GONE SO FAR BEYOND,
49:06AND IT'S SO WILDLY DISCONCERTING
49:07THAT STILL, PEOPLE SOMEHOW
49:11JUSTIFY, EXCUSE AWAY THE KILLING
49:13OF SO, SO MANY CHILDREN.
49:16>> JAMES, YAIR GOLAN, THE NEW
49:18HEAD OF THE LABOR PARTY, ALONG
49:20WITH OTHER ISRAELI OFFICIALS,
49:20HAVE BASICALLY SAID, YOU KNOW,
49:22THERE JUST ISN'T THE YOU, THERE
49:26AREN'T THE INTERNATIONALS TO BE
49:28ABLE TO SAFELY AND PROPERLY AND
49:30EFFICIENTLY DISTRIBUTE AID.
49:33THEY'RE PUSHING IT UP TO THE
49:35BORDER, BUT YOU GUYS AREN'T ABLE
49:36TO DO IT.
49:37YOU GUYS SAY, WELL, THAT'S NOT
49:38THE CASE, BECAUSE HERE WE ARE,
49:39AND WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY GETTING
49:41THE AID IN, AND SO MUCH IS BEING
49:42TURNED BACK.
49:44WHAT ARE THE ACTUAL FACTS?
49:45I MEAN, IF AID WAS COMING IN, DO
49:46YOU HAVE EVEN THE INFRASTRUCTURE
49:49TO DELIVER IT?
49:55>> SO,EXACTLY, THE FACTS,
49:58THANK YOU, CHRISTIANE.
49:59IN MAY, THE UNITED NATIONS GOT
50:03HALF THE NUMBER IN FROM APRIL.
50:06ALREADY WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH
50:07CHILDREN WITH AN IMMINENT FALL
50:09MIS.
50:10HALF THE NUMBER OF TRUCKS.
50:11THERE ARE LESS CROSSINGS NOW
50:13THAN SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
50:15AREAS IN THE NORTH, THE PIER IS
50:17NO LONGER FUNCTIONAL.
50:18SO, THEY ARE THE FACTS.
50:19WHEN AID COMES IN, YES,
50:21ABSOLUTELY, INCREDIBLY BRAVE
50:24COLLEAGUES OF UNRWA, UNICEF WITH
50:26OUR NUTRITION, OUR WATER, OUR
50:28MEDICINES, I'VE BEEN ON THOSE
50:29MISSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DENIED
50:30AND SEEN HORRENDOUS ACTS ON
50:32THOSE MISSIONS.
50:33SO, YES, WE HAVE THE CAPACITY.
50:36GRANTED, IT IS A VIR DANGEROUS
50:37PLACE TO WORK.
50:38WE'VE SEEN MORE UNITED NATIONS
50:40COLLEAGUES KILLED IN THE LAST
50:41EIGHT MONTHS THAN IN ANY WAR
50:44SINCE THE ADVENT OF THE UNITED
50:45NATIONS.
50:46WE ARE READY.
50:46BUT WE HAVE SEEN SCORES AND
50:48SCORES, NOT A HANDFUL, SCORES
50:49AND SCORES OF DENIALS AND
50:51RESTRICTIONS AND DELAYS.
50:53THAT IS THE REALITY.
50:54THAT IS WHAT WE ARE COMBATTING.
50:56WE WANT TO MOVE AWAY FROM THE
50:58WAR OF WORDS WITH SIMPLE FACTS.
51:01WE ARE READY TO DELIVER, WE WILL
51:03CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
51:03BUT THE RESTRICTIONS ARE VERY
51:05REAL, AND THOSE RESTRICTIONS ARE
51:06COSTING LIVES.
51:07>> AND JAMES, YOU KNOW THAT THE
51:09ISRAELIS REALLY BELIEVE THAT
51:11HAMAS IS -- ESSENTIALLY
51:16CONTAMINATING THE AID
51:18DISTRIBUTION PROCESS, THAT
51:19THEY'RE STEALING WHAT MIGHT COME
51:20IN FOR THEIR OWN MILITANTS,
51:23THEY'RE OWN FIGHTERS.
51:24I WONDER WHETHER, A, YOU HAVE
51:27ANY KNOWLEDGE OF THAT, B,
51:29WHETHER YOU'RE HEARING WHAT WE
51:30SEEM TO BE HEARING NOW, THAT
51:31MORE AND MORE PALESTINIANS
51:32INSIDE GAZA ARE EXPRESSING ANGER
51:35AT HAMAS, FOR, YOU KNOW, EIGHT
51:38MONTHS NOW, AND THEY'VE
51:42BASICALLY HAD IT, AS YOU KNOW.
51:43CAN I JUST PLAY FOR YOU, I HOPE
51:45YOU CAN HEAR IT OVER THE LINE, A
51:47BIT OF A CONVERSATION BETWEEN
51:49OUR CORRESPONDENT BEN WEDEMAN
51:51AND A SENIOR HAMAS OFFICIAL,
51:53THEY SPOKE IN BEIRUT A FEW DAYS
51:54AGO.
51:56>> HAMAS AS AN ORGANIZATION,
51:59DOES IT REGRET WHAT IT DID ON
52:03THE 7th OF OCTOBER?
52:04>> WE ARE LIVING WITH THIS AS
52:06FOR THE LAST 75 YEARS.
52:08>> 37,000 PEOPLE ARE DEAD.
52:09>> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 3,000
52:12PALESTINIANS WHO WERE KILLED IN
52:13THE FIRST ANTI-FAD DA.
52:14WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MORE THAN
52:1670,000 PALESTINIANS THAT WERE
52:18KILLED FROM 2001 TO 2004.
52:20I THINK THE REAL START IS TO
52:25MAKE -- IF THAT HAPPENED, I
52:25THINK THIS WOULD BE THE RIGHT
52:28STEP, OR THE RIGHT MOVE.
52:30>> THEY KIND OF APPEAR TO BE
52:31WILLING TO LET THIS DEATH TOLL
52:36MOUNT SO THAT THEY ACHIEVE THEIR
52:37POLITICAL GOALS.
52:39WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT?
52:44>> LOOK, IT'S -- IT'S SO -- AS I
52:46SAID, IT'S SO TROUBLING TO THINK
52:47THAT PEOPLE CAN MOVE AWAY FROM
52:49THE MOST OBVIOUS THING, A
52:51CEASE-FIRE.
52:52IT'S THE ONLY THING PEOPLE HOLD
52:53ONTO HERE.
52:54HOLD ONTO THIS HOPE.
52:55MANY PEOPLE HAVE SAID TO ME,
52:57CHRISTIANE, WORDS TO THE EFFECT
52:58OF, I'VE LOST A CHILD, I'VE LOST
53:00MY HOME, I'VE LOST THE ABILITY
53:02TO LOOK AFTER MY REMAINING
53:03CHILDREN, ALL I HAVE LEFT IS
53:04HOPE.
53:06IT SEEMS THAT THOSE -- THE
53:07POWERS WHO HAVE THE ABILITY TO
53:09MAKE A CEASE-FIRE HAPPEN, IN
53:11WHATEVER CAPACITY THAT LOOKS
53:13LIKE, ARE SO DISCONCERTINGLY
53:15REMOVED FROM THE SUFFERING OF
53:17GAZANS HERE.
53:17SO, WHATEVER THE MILITARY AIMS
53:19ARE, AND UNICEF, THE REASON WE
53:22ARE A FRONT-LINE ORGANIZATION,
53:23AS YOU KNOW, FROM HERE TO YES,
53:28MA'AM YEMEN TO UKRAINE, IT'S
53:34CLEAR, AS UNICEF HAS SAID THIS
53:35IS A WAR ON CHILDREN.
53:36WE DID NOT SAY THAT FOR A
53:39HEADLINE.
53:39WE SAY THAT AGAIN BECAUSE OF
53:40EVIDENCE.
53:41WE SAY THAT BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOK
53:41AT HOW WAR AFFECTS CHILDREN,
53:45AGAIN, FROM YEMEN TO AFGHANISTAN
53:47TO SYRIA, AND THE TOLL IT TAKES,
53:48HERE WE HAVE SEEN SO MANY
53:52CHILDREN MAIMED, TO ANY OTHER
53:55CONFLICT.
53:55AND THAT SPEAKS TO THE DENSITY
53:56OF CHILDREN.
53:57YEP, THAT SPEAKS TO THE NUMBER
54:00OF CHILDREN.
54:00BUT IT SPEAKS TO THE
54:02INDISCRIMINATE NATURE OF THESE
54:05ATTACKS.
54:05I DON'T KNOW WHAT NUMBER IS TOO
54:07MANY WHEN IT COMES TO CHILDREN.
54:08BUT I CERTAINLY HAVE SEEN FAR
54:11TOO MANY PARENTS' LIVES WHO WILL
54:14NOT BE THE SAME BECAUSE THEIR
54:15CHILD IS DEAD.
54:15I WOULD NEVER THINK I WOULD HEAR
54:17A CHILD SAY THEY LOST THEIR MOM
54:18AND DAD, THEIR BROTHERS AND
54:20SISTERS, THEIR GRANDPARENTS --
54:22I'VE HEARD THAT SO MANY TIMES,
54:23IT'S NO LONGER RARE.
54:24AND THE -- THE PSYCHOLOGICAL
54:28TORMENT NOW FOR THOSE CHURN,
54:29WE'RE IN UNCHARTERED TERRITORY,
54:31SO, YES, THOSE WHO HAVE THE
54:32POWER TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS
54:35NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE SUFFERING
54:37OF CIVILIANS ON THE GROUND, AND
54:38I THINK, YES, CIVILIANS ON THE
54:39GROUND WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE
54:42THOSE IN POWER TO UNDERSTAND
54:44THEIR SITUATION, AND SOMEONE
54:46SAID TO ME A FEW HOURS AGO, WE
54:47JUST NEED TO BREATHE.
54:48>> YEAH.
54:50WELL, EVERYBODY NEEDS TO SEE
54:51THIS WAR END.
54:52JAMES ELDER, THANK YOU SO MUCH,
54:53INDEED.
54:54>>> AND FINALLY, ANOTHER WAR.
54:57WE FIGHT IN THE WAR, WE FIGHT ON
54:59THE PITCH.
55:00THAT'S WHAT ONE UKRAINIAN
55:02SUPPORTER SAID AHEAD OF THE
55:03NATIONAL TEAM'S EUROS MATCH
55:05AGAINST ROMANIA.
55:07THOUGH UKRAINE JUST LOST 3-0 IN
55:09MUNICH'S FOOTBALL ARENA, BEFORE
55:11THE GAME, THE TEAM'S MANAGER
55:12SAID IT WAS A CHANCE TO SHOWCASE
55:14THE UKRAINIAN SPIRIT, AS THE WAR
55:19RAGES BACK HOME.
55:20DAMAGED BLUE AND YELLOW SEATS
55:22FROM KHARKIV STADIUM ARE ON
55:23DISPLAY AS A STARK REMINDER OF
55:25THE CONFLICT.
55:25THEY HAD BEEN BUILT WHEN UKRAINE
55:27HOSTED THE 2012 EUROS, BUT
55:29SINCE, THEY'VE BEEN DESTROYED BY
55:30RUSSIAN MISSILES.
55:32>>> THAT IS IT FOR NOW.
55:33THANK YOU FOR WATCHING, AND
55:33GOOD-BYE FROM LONDON.
55:44♪♪♪