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Bob Ryan, Jeff Goodman, and Gary Tanguay give their immediate reaction to the Celtics dropping Game 4 of the NBA Finals, and discuss whether or not Luka could be better than Larry Bird.  0:00 - Celtics' Effort and Determination 2:38 - Luka Doncic's Performance 5:26 - Predictions for Game Five 8:00 - Prize Picks 9:04 - Does Porzingis play in Game 5? 15:58 - Memorial Day Massacre 17:19 - Luka's Ball Handling Skills 19:02 - Larry Bird Comparison    Prize Picks! Get in on the excitement with PrizePicks, America’s No. 1 Fantasy Sports App, where you can turn your hoops knowledge into serious cash. Download the app today and use code CLNS for a first deposit match up to $100! Pick more. Pick less. It’s that Easy! Go to https://PrizePicks.com/CLNS  Gametime! Take the guesswork out of buying NBA tickets with Gametime. Download the Gametime app, create an account, and use code CLNS for $20 off your first purchase. Download Gametime today. Last minute tickets. Lowest Price. Guaranteed. Terms apply. Go to https://gametime.co !  Elevate your style game on and off the course with the PXG Spring Summer 2024 collection. Head over to https://PXG.com/GARDENREPORT and save 10% on all apparel.  Nutrafol Men! Take the first step to visibly thicker, healthier hair. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners ten dollars off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to https://Nutrafol.com/MEN and enter the promo code GARDEN!   #celtics #NBA #BostonCeltics The CLNS Media Network is the leading provider for video/audio content. CLNS is a fully credentialed member of the media with access to all NFL/NBA/NHL/MLB teams & venues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------  CLNS' rebuilt their YouTube community in less than 12 months, during a pandemic that attacked sports. Wondering how? Find out here (and support our channel) - https://www.tubebuddy.com/clnsmedia  Visit the Official Home of CLNS Sports Coverage -  https://clnsmedia.com  Twitter -   / clnsmedia   Celtics -   / celticsclns   Patriots -   / patriotsclns   Bruins -   / bruinsclns   Red Sox -   / redsoxclns   Non-Sports -   / northstation   Facebook -   / clnsmedia   INSTA -   / clnsmedia   INSTA Celtics -   / celticsclns   INSTA History -   / nbahistoryclns

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00:00It's time for the Bob Ryan and Jeff Goodman Tag Week Along For The Ride pod, brought to

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00:36So we are speaking to you as Game 4 is coming to a close.

00:42And I have to tell you that I'm okay with the Celtics losing.

00:45I understand.

00:46I wanted a sweep.

00:47I wanted to win in debt.

00:49I wanted a sweep tonight.

00:51But I just felt, Bob, that this team just quit.

00:55And that bothers me.

00:58I don't see that.

00:59They just stunk.

01:00I agree.

01:01They suck.

01:02All right.

01:03One, I'll give you one area where it has to do with in the determination and effort for

01:09sure that they should be held accountable.

01:13Rebounding.

01:14Rebounding.

01:15Offensive rebounding of Dallas, you know, and too many, every loose ball, they want

01:22all the quote unquote 50-50s.

01:24They want all the 10-90s.

01:25And the defense.

01:26I understand.

01:27Offense isn't.

01:28Look, the offense wasn't there.

01:29Nobody.

01:30Rebounding.

01:31Rebounding.

01:32Rebounding.

01:33Rebounding.

01:34Rebounding.

01:35That's effort.

01:36A lot of it.

01:37And they got out-efforted in every phase.

01:38I'll give you that.

01:39Okay.

01:40That bothers me.

01:41Dallas has been, I mean, without poor Zingas, honestly, Dallas has played him pretty damn

01:46close.

01:47Yes.

01:48Right?

01:49They have.

01:50I mean, they're not that far off without poor Zingas.

01:53I mean.

01:54Well.

01:55Listen.

01:56Do we.

01:57I mean.

01:58Listen.

01:59I mean, the Celts are up by 21 in game three and they stopped playing.

02:00Well.

02:01And they didn't have poor Zingas.

02:03I mean, I think the Celtics are their own worst enemy.

02:07Well tonight.

02:08But wait.

02:09Wait.

02:10I would say that normally.

02:12But tonight, the two guys that you probably trusted the most to bring their games and

02:18be solid were terrible.

02:20Drew Holiday and Derek White.

02:21Agreed.

02:22They were awful.

02:23They weren't themselves tonight.

02:24Jalen Brown was awful.

02:25Like, Tatum was the only one who came out and did anything in the first quarter when

02:29they got smoked.

02:31And after that, it really didn't matter, to be honest.

02:33They weren't cutting it.

02:35And Luka played the way we want to see Luka Donsitz play.

02:41Right?

02:42He played the right way.

02:43He took pride in his defense.

02:44No, he's not great laterally.

02:47But you know what?

02:48He gave.

02:49It was an A for effort tonight.

02:50He didn't give up anything easy.

02:52And he didn't whine and complain.

02:54And man, he didn't even make his threes in what he finished with, 29 points in 27 minutes

03:01or something.

03:02I mean, it was.

03:03It was a joke.

03:04I mean, he was leaps and bounds the best guy on the court.

03:06It wasn't even close.

03:07No.

03:08No.

03:09I mean, it was.

03:10I just keep going.

03:11As I said to somebody tonight, you got to look at.

03:14This is the micro.

03:15We can go.

03:16We can nitpick this game off.

03:20But it's about the macro and it's about, OK, the Celtics.

03:24The fact is, however much we want to, you know, parse this game, identify what went

03:30wrong and we can do that easily, you all know.

03:32The fact is that sweeps are rare.

03:35They have not had a sweep since 1959.

03:38They have not had a five game series since 1965.

03:42This is the NBA we're talking about, folks.

03:44Dallas showed the requisite dignity, nobility, grit.

03:51They fought the way you should fight.

03:55They played the ball race from another winter sport.

03:58They played desperate basketball and give them full credit.

04:02OK, it's not unprecedented, by the way.

04:05By the way, the 1986 Celtics, which, you know, I continue to feel is the greatest team of

04:09all time.

04:10They were up 3-0 against Atlanta and they lost game four because Spud Webb beat them.

04:15Now, what happened in game five?

04:18Celtics had that historic 36-6 third quarter against Atlanta.

04:20OK, I'm not saying we can look for a 36-6 third quarter, but I'll be very disappointed

04:25if the Celtics don't come out roaring on Monday night.

04:28Then we can help talk.

04:29But this will give fuel to the naysayers that, you know, until they get this job done, guys.

04:36For a couple of days, Bob, that's all.

04:3848 hours, whatever it's going to be, the naysayers can get it all out of their system.

04:43And then in game five, it's going to be over.

04:45And to be honest, it's going to be sweeter in a way because you can't shut those people

04:50up.

04:51They can't until it's done.

04:52Yeah.

04:53It's not done.

04:54And until it's done, they can't shut those people up.

04:58OK.

04:59You know, as sports fans, that's part of the deal, right?

05:02Meanwhile, I got to say that the smiles that you can feel and see in your imagination on

05:08the face of all the merchants in downtown Boston, all the restaurateurs, all the bartenders

05:14or bar owners, and not to mention management, they can say what they want, but they open

05:21up those doors for another X million dollar gate.

05:26So anyway, but I've got that.

05:28I'm simply saying that all kidding aside, the fact is that, you know, you know that

05:33the local restaurateurs were rooting for them to lose, whether they lost by one or one hundred

05:37and one.

05:38And so, look, I said, here's my here's my take, guys.

05:41I don't know what you I went public on this many times.

05:44I said the chances of winning tonight were 70 percent.

05:48The chances of winning on Monday, if they were to lose game four, were ninety eight

05:53point eight percent.

05:54And that's how I feel about Monday night.

05:57That's high tonight.

05:58I thought 70 percent was high tonight.

06:00I kind of looked at it as a flip of the coin.

06:02Well, the way to be playing so well, though, Jeff, you know, in general, I thought that,

06:07you know, and also because of the narrative that we're alluding to here, we know, you

06:11know, that that they are fighting to to get their niche in Celtic history and shut the

06:17people up to say that these guys don't have what it takes.

06:19You know, they got and they have the talent, but they don't have this one or two.

06:24I mean, it's it's human nature when you're up three to relax a little bit to think you're

06:30going to be able to go in, you know, they were super loose.

06:33You could see it pregame a little bit with the Celtics and they're always too loose.

06:37This seemed a little bit looser than usual, like, hey, we're going to go out here, we're

06:41going to win this thing tonight.

06:42No problem.

06:43We got this.

06:45But but again, I mean, when you got Luke and Kyrie Cook in it, oh, by the way, Derek Lively,

06:50twelve rebounds.

06:51Derek Lively, I predict we'll see an all star game before he's done.

06:56He's awesome.

06:57I like Derek Lively.

06:58I've said this.

06:59You know, Gafford is Gafford's reached his ceiling and give him credit.

07:04Here's a guy when he joined, I think I heard the number tonight when he came from a team

07:09that was nine in fifty one to he's in the game is in the NBA Finals.

07:15And he's he does what he does, you know.

07:16But Lively has more stuff.

07:18He's got a lot more to offer.

07:19He hit a three tonight.

07:20You can shoot it a little bit.

07:22Yeah.

07:23Gafford, you know, went to thirty three straight shots.

07:25I think the probably the cumulative cumulative distance of those thirty three shots was sixty

07:30six feet.

07:31That's that.

07:32And I'm not being facetious.

07:33He doesn't shoot.

07:34I know you're going to say sixty six inches.

07:39He makes layups and dunks.

07:40That's what he does.

07:41OK.

07:42He's going to have a long career because he also blocks shots and he does stuff.

07:45But the other guy is on the I think someday will be an all star.

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09:12Okay, so does Porzingis play in game five?

09:15Yeah.

09:16Yes.

09:17That's the next thing.

09:19I don't think so.

09:20You don't?

09:21I don't.

09:22You want to wait till six?

09:23You want to wait till seven?

09:25This is a guy who knows he could be done for this series.

09:28This is a guy that's had so many injuries in his career and agents are involved now.

09:36You're looking at your future.

09:37I get it.

09:38It's the NBA finals.

09:39I wonder if Porzingis-

09:41I hope that isn't the case.

09:43I mean, hey, Jeff-

09:44I hope so too, but-

09:46I hope that isn't the case.

09:47I'll be very disappointed.

09:50You have confidence.

09:51You really have confidence that Chris Stapps Porzingis, who you, of all people, when we

09:57got him, when the Celtics got him, what were you saying, Robert Ryan?

10:02What were you saying?

10:03I said he's 7-3 going on 5-3, and that's the way he plays because I was totally in

10:09error.

10:10I had never saw him once last year.

10:12Who watches the Wizards, I said, and certainly didn't see that he had altered his game.

10:17Not even that, the injury-prone factor.

10:20We talked about that ad nauseum too, and now you're coming around and saying, I have faith

10:26that Chris Stapps Porzingis-

10:27I'm happy to get along about it, but-

10:28... of all people is going to be out there.

10:30Well, if he's, assuming he's somewhat healthy, I don't think he'll do something stupid.

10:39He's a rational man, I think, but I'm just saying I'd be surprised if we don't see him.

10:45I think he wants to play game five at home, at the Garden.

10:49They have a chance to clinch.

10:50I think he's going to want to be on the floor.

10:52He wants to be, but he also has told us it's not his call.

10:57Jimmy Butler didn't play, Hal Burton didn't play, Donovan Mitchell didn't play.

11:01They all sat in the playoffs, and Porzingis is tougher than him.

11:06This is it.

11:08Yeah, I get it, but Porzingis, I think this is his shot at a-

11:14First round is one, I mean, the first series is one thing.

11:19The finals, when you're on the verge, I'm just saying, I expect to see him.

11:25Do they need him?

11:26Offer, offensively, is absolutely unknown, but he will be able to take up very useful

11:32space.

11:33I think-

11:34They needed him tonight.

11:35They needed him tonight, Chris.

11:36Very useful space, just being there.

11:39Well, that's the thing.

11:41People will say, well, even if they had Porzingis, they won by 100.

11:45It wouldn't have mattered.

11:46You know what I mean?

11:47No, but it would have mattered because you would have had somebody out there on the defensive

11:52end, number one, that could have protected the rim, okay?

11:56They were doing whatever they wanted.

11:58Second of all, the Celtics had no help for Tatum offensively.

12:01You never know.

12:02Porzingis hits a few shots.

12:04The complete tenor of the game could have changed.

12:07I'm not saying it would have.

12:08It could have changed with Porzingis.

12:11Of course, Jeff, because I think all of us thought, the way the game is played today,

12:16and from what we've seen, every team makes a run.

12:19I mean, I thought the Celtics were still in this thing down 20, down 21.

12:2320 is one thing.

12:2432.

12:2539 is another.

12:26No, you're right.

12:27I did too.

12:28I wasn't giving up at that point.

12:30But if Porzingis is in there, he hits a three, blocks a shot.

12:34People start feeling good.

12:35You get momentum.

12:36But then once it got like 25, once we started to go further and further, it was over.

12:42But it's such a rhythmic game, Porzingis could have made a difference.

12:47I say give Dallas credit.

12:51To get here, they did things no one thought they could do other than themselves.

12:55You know that.

12:56And this is their reward to their fans for everything tonight.

13:00Well, they came out.

13:01I thought Dallas was going to kind of roll over.

13:05I really did.

13:06I didn't think that.

13:07I didn't either.

13:08I just thought the Celtics would very likely meet the challenge, but not necessarily.

13:12I didn't think it was a lot.

13:13Look at two guys with pride.

13:14Like two stars with pride.

13:16Like Luka's not going to lay down.

13:18And Kyrie against the Celtics, he's going to lay down?

13:22No way.

13:23No.

13:24No.

13:25All right.

13:26Well, I don't know.

13:27He didn't show up in the first two games.

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15:08Well, that's the best part of this to me is they get to go back to Boston and what better

15:15way to end the season than for Boston fans to cheer for the Celtics and boo Kyrie out

15:24of the game.

15:25The last time we had this circumstance, it was in a 2-3-2 in 08, but it was 3-2 and we

15:31know they rose to that occasion in a score I will never forget to my grade 132 to 98.

15:38That was a magnificent night.

15:40I'm not predicting we're going to have a reprise of that at all, but these are the kind of

15:48things that are going to happen.

15:49The other thing is just generally carry over in general.

15:51Who knows better than the Boston Celtics about the irrelevance of carry over?

15:56Oh, yeah.

15:57It doesn't matter.

15:58No.

15:59I go back to Memorial Day Massacre in 1985 and we know what happened after that.

16:05So that way they were on the other side.

16:07So anyway, it's embarrassing and I'm not trying to say they should feel good about themselves,

16:13but they should shrug this off.

16:16No, they will.

16:18I wanted to see a sweep tonight.

16:19So just as a fan, I wanted to see it.

16:21Hey, look, but do you think, you know, will Tatum get off the offensive side a little

16:27bit?

16:28I mean, he was their best offensive player tonight, but that's not saying much.

16:31I mean, he did in the first half of game three.

16:34He hit an early three.

16:35I was encouraged.

16:36Yeah, we really haven't seen him click yet.

16:40You know?

16:41I thought he was better.

16:42You know, again, I thought he was fine in the first quarter.

16:44Like he was the only one who, I thought he was fine tonight, but nobody else was with

16:49him.

16:51It was by himself and he's not enough.

16:54Like that's the one thing is you look at it and Luka has the ball in his hands all the

17:01time.

17:02All the time.

17:03I mean, it is amazing like how many dribbles per possession Luka and Kyrie, especially

17:10Luka.

17:11Right.

17:12The ball's not in Luka's hands.

17:13It's in Kyrie and it's dribble, dribble, dribble.

17:16And it's not a pretty watch.

17:19They just don't move the basketball.

17:21Right.

17:22No, and that's their MO.

17:23That's who they are.

17:24That's what the construction of their team is.

17:26Luka, you know, we learned that Kristaps didn't fit in well with Luka.

17:31Okay.

17:32We know that.

17:33I know that was part of it.

17:36You can see why.

17:37Even though Luka has a ton of assists, there are a lot of them are the assists of like

17:43dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble.

17:47Again, it's just like he doesn't advance the ball.

17:50He just doesn't know how to advance the ball quickly ever.

17:54Like I never see him catch the ball.

17:56Rarely.

17:57I mean, tonight at one point he caught it.

17:59He pushed it and then fed it.

18:02That was a wonderful play.

18:04Yup.

18:05And that was a, you know what that was?

18:06That was a Caitlin Clark play.

18:08She's the best I've ever seen either sex making that play on the move to throw the ball to

18:12the rim, throw the ball to a cutter.

18:15That was a wonderful collaboration.

18:16They had a lot of wonderful golden moments tonight.

18:18That was one of them.

18:19And I keep saying about him, by the way, Jeff, he goes wherever he wants to go at his pace

18:25and you know, and nobody can, nobody stops him.

18:28They have great defenders.

18:30I mean, that's the crazy part.

18:32The Celtics are switching everything, right?

18:35They start with Jalen Brown.

18:36They'll switch.

18:37They'll end up with whatever Tatum, White, Drew Holiday.

18:41They're all really good defenders.

18:43And Horford, if he's one-on-one against Luca and it doesn't matter.

18:48Well, he's got the full package.

18:50He can, if he, if he thinks he can take it all the way, he takes all the way.

18:53He's got the step back.

18:55He's got up and unders.

18:56He's got up fakes.

18:57He's got, he's, he's, he's got all the tricks, all the bag tricks in a bag, you know?

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21:03Do you see, hey, I saw Chandler Parsons, I don't know if you saw this about three weeks

21:08ago.

21:09No.

21:10Said he thinks Luka's better than Bird already.

21:15I'm not asking if he's better already because he's not, obviously, he's not.

21:18No, he's a little different.

21:20But is there, do you see some similarities in their team?

21:23Yeah, but here's the big difference.

21:24No, I reject this because what they have in similar is a variety of shot making, okay?

21:31No question about that.

21:33But it's totally polar opposite.

21:35He has the ball all the time.

21:38He dribbles the ball triple figured times in a game, all right?

21:44Unlike Klay Thompson who took 11 dribbles to score 60 points, okay, whatever it was.

21:48Larry Bird's, among his distinctions, but one of his great distinctions in the history

21:55of this game is that no player has ever accomplished more in terms of assists and making other

22:01people relevant with the ball in his hands infrequently as Larry Bird.

22:08Larry Bird got it done with hardly ever having the ball.

22:11He was two steps ahead in his mind about where the pass was going to go.

22:16He wasn't a dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, and I'm not knocking Luka, Luka does what

22:21Luka needs to do.

22:22They're just different.

22:23Good.

22:24The similarity, I guess.

22:26No one ever got more done without the ball, with the ball briefly in his hands than Larry

22:32Bird.

22:33No one.

22:34The similarity, I guess, is number one.

22:36Shot making.

22:37And they're both average athletic white dudes.

22:41Yeah, color of skin, believe me.

22:44And they're both, they can't really jump.

22:46Neither one of them jump very, very high.

22:48Larry's big thing was Larry had a quick takeoff.

22:52Larry got to his apex quickly.

22:54He didn't have to gather.

22:55And he had the instinct of rebound and timing and all that.

22:58So that made him, he was still able to, and he had, one thing no one ever talks about,

23:02he had very strong hands.

23:05Strong hands.

23:06And so anyway, so I reject the comparison.

23:09The only comparison is A, they're both white, and B, they both have a variety of shot making.

23:16But after that, they're very different players.

23:18All right, guys.

23:19Great job.

23:20We'll talk again next week, and I'm not gonna say anything, I'm not jinxing anything.

23:27Shut the book on this one.

23:28Don't even show him the tape, Joe.

23:30Don't even show him the tape.

23:31Nah, he probably won't.

23:32Okay, guys.

23:33All right.

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23:40Bob, Jeff, we'll see you later.

23:41Talk to you next week.

23:42Bye.

23:50Bye.

No Sweep in Dallas, Is Luka Better than Bird? | Bob Ryan and Jeff Goodman Podcast

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