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In the latest episode of the Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast, Greg goes into deeper detail about his report from this weekend on the Patriots' character concerns, gives further insight into his reporting, and answers your fan mailbag questions. That, and much more!  0:00 - Intro  1:43 - Matthew Judon's youth football camps  3:01 - Courtland Sutton's contract demands and potential trade  5:28 - Annual look back at Patriots draft picks  7:26 - Concerns about Javon Baker's character and background  11:15 - PrizePicks  12:45 - Greg’s Report  16:05 - GameTime  17:25 - Fan Mailbag: Maye vs Mac  19:22 - Patriots' reliance on the run game system  21:51 - Importance of offensive line over running backs  23:43 - Patriots' strength and conditioning program analysis  Check Greg's Coverage out over at www.bostonsportsjournal.com, for $50 on BSJ's annual plan. Not only do you get top-notch analysis of all the Boston pro sports, but if you're a Patriots junkie — and if you're listening to this podcast, you are — then a membership at BSJ gives you access to a ton of video analysis Bedard does on the coaches film, and direct access to him in weekly chats.  This episode of the Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast w/ Nick Cattles is brought to you by:  PrizePicks! Get in on the excitement with PrizePicks, America’s No. 1 Fantasy Sports App, where you can turn your hoops knowledge into serious cash. Download the app today and use code CLNS for a first deposit match up to $100! Pick more. Pick less. It’s that Easy!   Gametime! Take the guesswork out of buying NBA tickets with Gametime. Download the Gametime app, create an account, and use code CLNS for $20 off your first purchase. Download Gametime today. Last minute tickets. Lowest Price. Guaranteed. Terms apply. Go to https://gametime.co !

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00:00This is the Gregg Bedard Patriots podcast with Nick Cavins.

00:07Hey everybody, welcome into the Gregg Bedard Patriots podcast.

00:12I am here solo today.

00:14Nick wanted to be here.

00:16Another multimedia star with a stint on Sports Hub on Monday.

00:20Good for Nick.

00:22We had a little miscommunication because on the idiot that I am, Nick was arranging a

00:28time and I forgot to click enter to agree to the time.

00:33So he'll be back later in the week.

00:36We'll talk about the OTA on Wednesday and all that.

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01:15It's good stuff, especially this time of year, NBA finals coming up, NFL schedule released,

01:23all that stuff.

01:24So let's, we're going to do a few things, do a few headlines, answer a few mailbag questions

01:31that I had over on Boston Sports Journal with the member chat that I do every week.

01:37Some interesting stuff, I think, and wanted to relate that to you guys.

01:41But headlines, Matthew Judon held a series of youth football camps this past weekend.

01:47Karen Corrigan from MassLive was there at one of them, apparently, and you get these

01:52things at these charity events in the off-season, apparently, they said that contract questions

02:00were off-limits with him, but Karen basically was able to get Judon to say that he was coming

02:07to mandatory mini-camp because, you know, he didn't want to give up money, because you'll

02:13get fined if you're not there.

02:15Not a surprise.

02:20I can't even think of an instance.

02:21Maybe there are.

02:22Only maybe franchise tag guys who aren't currently under contract, but as far as guys under contract

02:27in the NFL, they all report to mini-camp.

02:31They don't hold out because of the fines, and you see more hold-ins.

02:35Do I expect Judon to be doing much on the field in the mandatory mini-camp?

02:39That could be the question.

02:40We'll have to see.

02:43Obviously, I think he's in line for a new deal, whether it's here or someplace else.

02:49We'll have to see.

02:51There was a report from Jeremy Fowler saying that Broncos receiver Cortland Sutton wants

02:56to be paid in the $15, $16 million range.

02:59Denver currently has about $8.7 million in available cap space, but big extensions for

03:03guard Quinn Miners and cornerback Pat Sertan are on deck.

03:10So Cortland Sutton's a guy that we have brought up many times as sort of a, you know, one

03:17of those guys that the Patriots could possibly go out and trade for.

03:22They have already, the Broncos have already traded Jerry Judy.

03:27I doubt that they trade Cortland Sutton, but look, if the Broncos don't want to pay that

03:33and they might think about moving him, I'm interested.

03:36I think Cortland Sutton's a really good player.

03:39I probably would have given him the, um, what's his name?

03:47The Calvin Ridley deal that the Patriots offered $20 million.

03:50So 15, 16 million, like, yeah, uh, I'm in it.

03:55So the, the, the wide receiver market has gotten out of control.

03:58I mean, when I'm on, I'm on Ross St. Brown gets a deal that, um, what does it average

04:07is 30 per year, AJ Brown's at 32 Tyree said 30.

04:11Okay.

04:12You understand that Devante, you understand that at 28, um, it, the, I'm on Ross St. Brown

04:20deal is did not go over well in NFL circles.

04:24It's totally, I mean, he's a slot receiver.

04:26He's not even one.

04:27I mean, he's not AJ Brown.

04:28He's not Tyree kill.

04:29He's not Devante Adams.

04:31He's more the lines of Cooper cup.

04:36So if Cortland Sutton is available and for that price, yeah, I'm doing it, but I don't

04:43expect him to be available.

04:45Somebody's got to make, um, Denver and their whole quarterback situation look good.

04:50And, and Cortland Sutton would be one of those guys.

04:53Uh, one thing I wrote for Monday at Boston sports journal, I sort of did my annual, um,

05:00took a little bit of time, but I did my annual look back, um, talking to, um, talking to

05:09NFL executives.

05:11Um, certainly one, I hadn't won.

05:14I definitely talked to for a long time about all of them.

05:17Then their stuff came up about Javon Baker and a few other guys that I had to check with

05:21the rest of the league.

05:25So I just wanted to, I just wanted to get the background on the Patriots draft picks.

05:32You guys know that I don't do much of a deep dive, um, on the draft picks.

05:37When I do look at the draft picks, it's all film stuff.

05:40And, and we know that, um, that the, the success guys going from college to pros often doesn't

05:48come down to what you see on the film.

05:50It comes down to, uh, the player, their habits, their personality, their characteristic, how

05:56hard are they going to work?

05:58Like all that stuff.

05:59So I call guys I've talked to for years in this league and this executive, um, basically

06:08read from their scouting reports, um, on these guys.

06:11Um, I don't think a lot of it was, um, major.

06:15Um, certainly Javon Baker is a guy that, um, there's a lot of people in the league

06:22that aren't sure whether this is going to work out.

06:25They think that fourth round was a bit, um, too rich for, you know, all of his concerns.

06:31One, one league executive I talked to thinks that half the league had him off their boards.

06:38Um, I will say that, um, the kid certainly has talent.

06:44There's no doubt about that.

06:46Um, you know, there, there's a, there's a term in terms of like, when you look at these

06:52draft picks, um, you know, how much you're going to have to babysit them, keep an eye

06:58on them, all that stuff.

06:59Like it's, there's basically different levels.

07:02There's no maintenance.

07:04The guy's going to do things on his own.

07:06It'll be fine.

07:07Um, there's light maintenance, you know, um, might have to keep an eye on them a little

07:13bit.

07:14There's, and then there's the heavy maintenance guys, which is, they're going to have to be

07:19coached hard.

07:20Um, you're going to have to keep an eye on them off the field.

07:24Uh, Javon Baker fell into that, uh, that area for this scout, uh, reading from some of it.

07:33Um, he was a non-fit grade-wise, uh, his character stuff was a concern.

07:38Heavy maintenance.

07:39There was a deal where there was a car that pulled up next to him.

07:42That was with four white males who made racist comments towards him.

07:46He flashed a gun.

07:47The police showed up.

07:48He was honest with them.

07:49Uh, that was 2021.

07:50Then there's a bunch of stuff, just stuff from reckless driving, multiple fights, suspensions

07:54at Alabama, uh, went to jail, charge was dropped.

07:57There's multiple gun incidents, some other stuff, family background, family background

08:01history is not great.

08:02So there's a lot of stuff with him.

08:03Um, you know, when all that stuff, I try to, when, when stuff is somewhat alarming, you

08:11know, I check with, with other league sources on this stuff, um, including a source close

08:17to Javon Baker who, who basically confirmed everything, um, that was in that report.

08:25Um, uh, but another executive, um, brought up the father, um, Gerald Baker, Javon Baker's

08:33dad, um, has been an issue in the past.

08:36He's, uh, the, the scout said, you know, the stories about Caleb Williams' father, this

08:39is times 10, uh, he wants to be part of everything.

08:44Everything is about money.

08:45If Javon's not playing, there could be an issue.

08:47He's not afraid to stick his nose in when the kid is away from the father wasn't so

08:50bad.

08:51If he's there and involves lookout, um, there's a lot of stuff.

08:55I mean, things didn't work out from what I can glean.

08:59Alabama didn't want Javon Baker anymore.

09:01He was supposed to go to Kentucky, but Kentucky basically said, and I think he went there

09:05for a workout or something along those lines.

09:07And Kentucky was like, thanks, no thanks.

09:10You know, UCF worked out with Gus Malzahn, who has publicly said really nice things about

09:17a Javon Baker and, uh, but, um, but in NFL circles, they know because these UCF coaches

09:27talk to them and give them the honest assessment.

09:30Baker was supposed to go back to UCF for this year and agreed to a big NIL deal and

09:36including got, you know, a decent chunk of coin up front, you got the upfront money next

09:43day he declared for the draft.

09:44Um, there's expected to be litigation and all that coming up.

09:48We'll have to see if that goes away or not already since he's been with the Patriots

09:52as a social media posts, which the Patriots are not happy about.

09:56Also the fact that, um, that on, uh, right before he was due to report to rookie camp,

10:04um, he fired longtime agent, Joe Linta, Joe, I've known Joe for years.

10:09Um, him and Bill used to do a lot of work together.

10:14Um, you know, he's, he's one of the really good guys in this business.

10:19He usually represents really good, uh, players off the field, stuff like that.

10:24I don't know why he represented, um, Javon.

10:28He wouldn't answer questions.

10:30Um, when I asked him other than to confirm that he was fired by Baker, um, and Baker

10:37decided to go with an agent I've never heard of Jason Davis, who has negotiated seven contracts.

10:45Um, also, uh, one other thing, um, I don't know if it happened.

10:54Baker was supposed to show up for OTAs.

10:58One of that entourage like publicist, um, bodyguard, other stuff.

11:04He's a fourth round pick.

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12:45Uh, so back to, uh, what I reported this weekend.

12:48So look, um, the reason I do this stuff is because, uh, like I want the information.

12:55Yeah, I know.

12:56I'm sure there's people every year I hear it, you know, cause I've reported on this stuff

12:59before on various players, you know, Christian Barmore wasn't an issue.

13:05Okay.

13:05Sean booty we'll see with him issue.

13:09Um, you know, you know, in some of the stuff is minor, like somebody told me, for

13:16example, there's nothing on Drake may people love Drake may, um, Jalen Polk for the most

13:21part, um, the league executive that I talked to, like, he really likes this character.

13:25Um, I think he knows him pretty well.

13:28And, but I talked to another league executive when I was talking about, you know, some of

13:32these other players on the Patriots and they said there was a red flag on Jalen Polk.

13:36Um, I don't know the specifics of that, but then I ran it by two more league executives

13:40and they said that was a surprise to them.

13:42Um, they had nothing, um, Caden Wallace.

13:46This is a, uh, and I'm sure people are going to say, well, like, what does that mean?

13:51Um, he, his family is very well educated.

13:54Um, of course that's not an indictment, but they think that there's, whether it's with

14:00the kid or the family or what they think that there's the perception is that there's an

14:05air of entitlement.

14:06Um, with him, there's a question, you know, you, there's a whole left tackle thing, but

14:10there's also a question about like, um, a lot of NFL teams question whether he loves

14:16football, um, or not, which is often a question asked of, um, some of the more highly

14:22educated players, um, in this league.

14:25Um, they wonder if they're passionate about it, you know, whether he's lazy, that thing,

14:29but nothing major off the field.

14:31Um, we talked about Baker, um, you know, who, who knows, um, Marcellus dial six round,

14:39awesome kid off the field.

14:41Um, the key thing to know is they, this executive saw him as outside only.

14:46That's where he's been with the Patriots.

14:48Um, Joe Milton, there's a lot of stuff.

14:51Um, you know, a lot of immaturity stuff, which most of the time you're like, okay,

14:58but he is 24 years old.

15:00Um, there's a, uh, people wonder if he's willing to put in the work to be a

15:04franchise quarterback first and at first into the building last out of the building.

15:09Uh, but of course he's a six round pick.

15:10So if it doesn't work out like who really cares and Jaheim bell, uh, this executive

15:16that I talked to really likes it.

15:17He said, uh, um, personality wise, there's a lot with them.

15:22He was borderline non fit off the board for us.

15:25The questions are concerned where our personality fit diva, selfish party

15:29habits, emotional maturity, need structure.

15:32Um, that sort of thing.

15:33But the league executive really did like him as a player and sort of

15:37the measurables, like you're betting.

15:39So, you know, we'll have to see how things go again.

15:43The purpose in doing this is not to indict anybody.

15:46I'm trying, I'm giving people facts.

15:48This is the, this is the opinion of the rest of the league.

15:51I don't look into this stuff before the draft.

15:54Now I know who's on the Patriots.

15:56Now I go back to those guys and I call them and be like, all right, so

15:58what's the deal with this player off the field and sometimes it matters.

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17:28Okay, let's go with the mailbag Bay area.

17:30Pat's fan, Greg Mac Jones started as a rookie and did well before the subsequent

17:33nightmare can may do the same thing, assuming they don't make the same dumb

17:37mistakes, or is it better to let him sit?

17:40Even if he's slightly better than Bersette coming out of training camp, I, you know,

17:44Bay, I just think these guys are in.

17:47They're in two different categories, Mac Jones and Drake may, as far as coming out.

17:52Uh, Drake may is all ceiling.

17:53Um, young pup, um, has mechanical issues, all that stuff.

17:59Mac Jones was, I mean, not overly experienced.

18:03Um, but cause you know, it took him a while to play at Alabama, but as far as,

18:09you know, playing in a pro style offense, his mechanics, all that stuff, he was

18:14very, he was pro ready, he was the most pro ready quarterback coming out.

18:18I think you could say that Drake may might be, as far as the top quarterbacks

18:23in this, in this draft might be the least, um, least pro ready quarterback.

18:30So the big thing is about getting Drake may to, to, to be his, to be

18:37his best and to develop him.

18:40And so I don't think there's, I mean, physically could Drake may be better

18:47than Jacoby preset coming out of training camp.

18:50Yeah.

18:51But as far as being an NFL quarterback and playing, I mean,

18:53Jacoby presets played a lot of games.

18:55He's won games the last time he was in the system.

18:58QBR, I think he was eighth in the league.

19:01Um, you know, a leader durable, all that stuff.

19:05Like, I don't think it's a given.

19:07I would, to me, it would be an upset if Drake may is even remotely close to

19:11being better as an NFL quarterback, like winning games that Sunday, then Jacoby

19:17preset, uh, but thanks for the questions.

19:19And Phillip 77 AVPs system relies a lot on the run game to be successful.

19:25Do the Patriots have the running backs to run the system?

19:28Quick answer.

19:29Yes.

19:30Is there enough depth of the position?

19:31Should they bring in another running back?

19:33Um, I, this is a system where, uh, you don't need.

19:40You know, they had Nick Chubb in Cleveland.

19:42That's great.

19:43They sort of stumbled upon them.

19:45Patriots should have drafted them over Sony Michelle.

19:48Um, but it's not, it's not the, it's not the running back that makes the system.

19:52It's the system that makes the running back.

19:54I think that in any case, especially in this type of zone blocking scheme, what

19:59have you, I mean, think Terrell Davis and the Broncos, um, they didn't win.

20:05John Elway didn't win a Superbowl until it was, you know, Mike Shanahan

20:09and the zone running scheme and Alex Gibbs, the offensive line coach.

20:14And, you know, guys were coming out of the woodwork at

20:17running back to run the ball.

20:18That's the same thinking here.

20:20I mean, I remember when I covered the Packers, um, you know, when they went

20:24to the NFC championship game, should have gone to the Superbowl in 20, 2007.

20:29First of all, they had like no veteran backs on the roster.

20:33They drafted Brandon Jackson.

20:36Um, I want to say in the second or third round, they drafted Deshaun

20:41win really late and those guys like started from jump and, you know, they

20:47were pretty good, but then they went out and they found Ryan Grant, who was

20:51toiling away on the, on the giants, on the bottom of their roster, and they

20:55traded a late round pick for him.

20:57At some point, I think in camp, he came in and the dude was like, he was like a

21:02superstar, um, you know, for a while.

21:05And I think he even got a big contract from somebody at some point.

21:08Um, so like, I'm not worried about the running back.

21:12I'm more worried about like, can they get the, can they get the blocking going?

21:15That's what I'm really worried about.

21:16You know, can they mix the plays?

21:18Right.

21:19Um, it's not about the back and remandery Stevenson is great.

21:22I like Antonio Gibson.

21:24I'm sure one of these guys that, that they have, um, we'll work out the

21:31Fenwick kid.

21:32I know they're high on, we haven't seen much of him.

21:34I know he's been battling some, uh, hamstring tightness, so, you know, he

21:39could, he could be, um, a guy that pays off for them and then you can find

21:44running backs forever.

21:45So, uh, you can even find one in the UFL or whatever is being played right now.

21:50So no, I'm not worried about the running back.

21:52I'm more worried about the offensive line and let's get the offensive line.

21:57Right.

21:57Let's get the quarterback, right.

21:58Let's get the system.

21:59Right.

22:00And, uh, you know, let remandery do his thing.

22:04Uh, G wool, LaCotte.

22:06I'm curious about the two shifts that might alter talent evaluation.

22:10What does going to more zone blocking imply for the line?

22:14What current guys do or do not fit that ideal prototype?

22:18So, um, so I think the reason I picked this, this question is because I think

22:24it's a bit of a, this is a bit of a non-story.

22:27I think it, it used to be back in the day, like when we were just

22:31talking about the Broncos back in the day, Alex gives all this stuff.

22:34They used to get small undersized, these guys, the crab blocking and

22:38cut blocking and stuff like that.

22:40Like, which you can't even really do anymore legally.

22:43So a lot of things have changed, but probably the biggest change is like.

22:48The offensive lineman now coming out of college are so athletic at all the

22:52positions that there aren't many, there aren't many players that you would say,

22:56all right, they can't, they can't do this now.

23:00I w are there guys like Michael?

23:02When, who, for example, is not an ideal fit for the zone blocking scheme,

23:05but he'll be fine.

23:06He's plenty athletic enough.

23:07Um, he's done a lot of this stuff.

23:09The Patriots have done zone blocking.

23:11It's not, it's not a wholesale change.

23:13This has been part of their system.

23:15This is just going to be the bread and butter.

23:16Um, a Tonio Moffitt would be a guy that I would look at.

23:19I mean, you're looking for foot quickness, getting out that sort of thing.

23:25David Andrews is getting up there, but I've always thought he's been

23:27good at this stuff in the past.

23:28So no, not, not that's, this isn't a big deal.

23:32This is if people are bringing this up, it's sort of using old stereotypes and

23:37it's not really, uh, something that applies to today's game, uh, final one

23:42here, bill D 1530, the Patriots strength strength and conditioning situation

23:46seems pretty light in terms of experience, staff number and facilities.

23:50Many top college programs have more experienced staff significantly

23:53better facilities.

23:55This has to impact retention of top players and recruiting top free agents.

23:58Why are most of the media giving the crafts a free pass on this?

24:02And then also, uh, on top of Mayo, putting his brother in charge of the department.

24:07Um, I don't know about the Duran Mayo thing.

24:09I look, he's the head coach.

24:11He thinks his brother's good.

24:13He's the guy.

24:14Is it nepotism?

24:15I don't know.

24:16I don't know much about Duran.

24:17We will see.

24:18But as far as the, the implication that the Patriots aren't doing enough with

24:23their strength and conditioning and how it might affect free agents and retaining

24:27players to me, this again is sort of like an old way of thinking, like, you know,

24:35back in the day when, you know, it was basically year long NFL training and

24:40stuff like that, like you might get a, you might do that.

24:45Um, but now like these guys are off from the end of the season until.

24:51I think what is it?

24:52The beginning of April for optional stuff.

24:55Um, so that's months.

24:57They have their own stuff at home.

24:58These guys are paid a lot.

25:00They have their own gyms.

25:01They have their own trainers.

25:03Um, in season, I'm sure the Patriots do exactly what they need to do.

25:06I don't think they're understaffed.

25:07I mean, could they use a bigger weight room and all that stuff?

25:09Yeah, sure.

25:10And that's supposed to be on the way, but my point is like, you can't compare

25:14NFL strength training to college strength training colleges.

25:19Those guys are there all the time.

25:21This is a recruiting set.

25:22That stuff doesn't go on in the NFL.

25:25You know, you want a player, a player's going to come to you.

25:28I don't care if you're working out in my, in the unfinished part of my basement,

25:33they're going to come.

25:34If you pay them the most money by a wide margin, they're going to come.

25:37Um, the Patriots facilities are fine.

25:39They're not, they're not bad enough where people are going to avoid it.

25:42There's plenty of other teams that are worse.

25:44In my opinion, that might not hold up, uh, in the NFL PA survey survey,

25:48but that's what I see.

25:51So thanks for anybody, everybody for, um, for tuning in for this episode.

25:57Nick, we'll be back on Thursday.

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