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00:00 Hi everyone, welcome back to our program.
00:04 We are now entering the final hour of our show and also entering one of our favorite
00:08 signature segments, Book Talk.
00:11 And today, we have the author of her new book, Sophie Navita, here to talk about Hati Yang
00:17 Gembira Adalah Obat Si Paling Overthinking.
00:21 So the, I guess it would be the happy heart is a great medicine for us all.
00:26 And it covers a little about this latest trend of overthinking.
00:30 Which we all tend to do.
00:32 Absolutely, guilty as charged.
00:33 Good morning, Sophie.
00:34 She's a friend of the program as well.
00:35 Thank you so much.
00:36 Good to have you here again.
00:37 Thank you so much for being here.
00:42 We want to talk about this, obviously.
00:43 Congratulations on your new book.
00:45 This is your third book.
00:46 My third baby.
00:47 Yeah.
00:48 I would have thunk.
00:49 Third baby.
00:50 Now, this is an interesting topic because it's something that's relevant to all of us.
00:54 It covers about this thing that we do a lot these days, which is overthinking.
00:58 Why did you decide to write this book?
01:00 This particular one.
01:02 About overthinking.
01:04 So I have to tell you first that the big frame is still Hati Yang Gembira Adalah Obat.
01:11 That yeah, having a joyful heart is always a good medicine in life.
01:16 But then overthinking, I think, happened when I realized as we all went through the COVID
01:22 pandemic, three and a half years of, I don't know what that was.
01:25 A lot of time to think.
01:27 And too much to think.
01:29 And then now that I, well, we can safely say we're out of the woods, right?
01:35 The habits stick.
01:37 I think I see that still in a lot of people.
01:40 Started with me, of course, to write a book.
01:42 But then I see that in a lot of people.
01:44 I think we went through a time of so much uncertainty where we would be thinking of
01:51 stuff we wouldn't normally be thinking.
01:54 And then I think it also, I think we dug skeletons, you know, like things we should have thought
02:02 about, but we couldn't because we had so much responsibilities and roles in life.
02:07 And then that's where all the mental health issues come up and the inner child wounds,
02:13 you know?
02:14 So yeah, I think that was...
02:15 You mentioned as well that you prefaced this book with a very interesting note.
02:19 And I want to kind of allude to it a little bit.
02:21 You say, "This book is dedicated to my 12-year-old self."
02:26 There's a little passage in here.
02:29 And it says in brackets, "Look, Sophie, we turned out just fine."
02:33 And I kind of want to, you know, we want to expand on this a little bit more in regards
02:37 to overthinking.
02:38 Why do you think overthinking is such an issue and writing about it is obviously a prevalent
02:43 issue in today's society?
02:45 Because apart from just COVID, we're now having to face, like you having to face your 12-year-old
02:50 self, we are now discovering that we do have to face our inner child.
02:55 Younger version of ourselves.
02:57 Why do you think that is?
02:58 I think, so for me, for people who have read my book, my first book, it was Hati yang Gembira
03:04 adalah Obat, period.
03:05 And it was a lot about how I thought about my life after my restoration with my dad,
03:13 my late dad.
03:14 I had never been in good terms with him ever.
03:17 I always wanted to be daddy's little girl.
03:20 But for me in my life, that never happened until his last days when we finally, you know,
03:26 it was restored, you know, God restored my life with him.
03:30 And so that started off, that kicked off the book writing for me.
03:34 But then why my 12-year-old self?
03:37 Because then as I started journeying, you know, and journaling, I found that the knot
03:43 that I had not resolved, unfinished business, probably stuff that, you know, I had to throw
03:50 in the trash can, but I didn't, you know, really tie the bag or something.
03:55 That was the biggest knot I found to help me in the Sophie I am today.
04:01 Yeah, Sophie that was when, who wrote this when she was 40 in 2016.
04:08 So now, as I'm facing 50 next year.
04:13 Wow, really?
04:14 You don't look it.
04:15 I was gonna say, sorry, I'm a little distracted.
04:18 Stop, stop, please don't stop.
04:21 Wow, tell me your skincare routine.
04:24 So yeah, I think, I think all of us at some point, we need to dive back a bit.
04:29 Like where and when did your good, because I believe that when God created everyone,
04:35 each one of us, it was good.
04:37 Right.
04:38 And it is good.
04:39 And somewhere along the way.
04:40 And somewhere along the way.
04:41 Who stole that good, you know, who took that away from you?
04:45 Yeah.
04:46 So for me, it happened when I was 12.
04:49 You know, Paul, I think I now know why Sophie looks like she's not aging at all, because
04:55 happiness is the best medicine.
04:56 They say laughter is the best medicine.
04:58 I disagree.
04:59 I think a happy heart is really true.
05:00 A happy heart.
05:01 It is true, right?
05:02 Laughter comes from a happy heart.
05:03 Exactly.
05:04 And so if you just sort of, to go back on the title, Hati yang Gembira adalah Obat,
05:09 happy heart is the best medicine, right?
05:11 And then you.
05:12 A merry heart.
05:13 A merry heart is the best medicine.
05:15 You link it to overthinking.
05:17 Do you think overthinking something takes away the joy that you can find in life?
05:24 Totally.
05:25 I actually came to a realization that when I overthink, and I do have that habit, being
05:32 this child who was never close with her father, and I empathize with anyone going through
05:38 that right now.
05:39 Do make amends.
05:41 Do your thing, you know.
05:43 You know what to do.
05:44 You just need to like quiet down, tone down.
05:46 And yeah, you know what to do.
05:48 But does that take away the joy?
05:51 Yes.
05:52 I came to a realization that when I start to overthink, when anyone starts to overthink,
05:58 you actually think that when, you know, maybe if I think about this more, maybe if I try
06:04 to think about this from other angles more and more and more and more.
06:07 You can think it through.
06:08 You'll be able to find it.
06:09 I'll be able to actually find the solution.
06:12 When I actually think that when it's not time, and it's not time, you know, there's a journey.
06:17 It's actually the process to actually finding whatever it is you're looking for.
06:22 And I truly believe in today's society, I believe that I don't think people put their
06:28 trust in God enough that, you know, before the problem was even there, He has already
06:33 come up with a solution.
06:34 We just have to find it.
06:36 And a lot of times, yeah, we're so focused on finding that solution, we're forgetting
06:39 that the journey is what we're actually looking for this entire time.
06:44 Because that's where you learned your lesson.
06:45 It's a lesson learned.
06:46 And it builds you, like, you know, you want to walk to a place where, okay, if we convert,
06:51 you know, we kind of convert it to money.
06:53 You want to walk to a place where there's like a million rupiah there, but then your
06:57 character is not ready to hold on to that one million.
07:00 So, you know, even if it comes to you early, it will actually end up ruining you instead
07:04 of building you up.
07:06 So it's actually the building of your character, I think, that God is interested about.
07:10 And this is not a religious book at all.
07:13 I think when you talk about spirituality, it's hard to separate that from your connectedness
07:20 to your Creator.
07:21 Yeah, so that's how I see it.
07:24 And it's not about, where do I find happiness?
07:28 I'm sorry, Will, but it's not about the pursuit of happiness.
07:31 I'm sorry, Will.
07:32 It's like I know him.
07:35 I'm sorry, Will Smith, but it's not about that.
07:37 It's about, it's not about finding happiness.
07:40 It's about recovering because it's already there when you were made by God on this earth
07:48 and put in your mommy's tummy.
07:50 You know, the day that you actually happened, that was the best day of your life, actually,
07:57 because then it's from nothing to someone who's going to become, you know, so it's not
08:02 about looking for, I want to look for happiness.
08:04 It is about recovering that joy that has already been put in you from day one.
08:11 Absolutely.
08:12 There are no sad babies when they're born, except maybe when they're hungry.
08:15 So let's talk a little bit about overthinking because a lot of times we don't realize ourselves
08:20 that we are overthinkers.
08:22 Many people don't even know.
08:23 I'm fine.
08:24 I'm not an overthinker.
08:25 So how, perhaps, you know, we don't want to obviously spoil the book.
08:27 You need to read it.
08:28 But how does one discover that they are an overthinker before you can even look for a
08:33 solution and kind of find a way around it?
08:37 You have to first be aware that you are an overthinker.
08:40 So what are some of the tips that you can share in regards to how you're an expert?
08:43 Yeah, but I'll try to make this easy.
08:45 How did it happen for you?
08:46 I felt tired all the time, but even when I wasn't doing anything, you know, and then
08:52 I was talking to friends and then some of them were even experts.
08:56 And I kind of found like, oh, so I was tired here, but not physically, not necessarily
09:04 doing anything, but mentally you're just burnt out.
09:08 Then why?
09:09 For each person, it's different.
09:11 So I guess you need to find out what your source of exhaustedness is, is that a word?
09:20 Exhaustion is.
09:21 And then, yeah, and then you take it from there and take it slow.
09:24 I mean, you know, everybody has their own pace and speed.
09:28 So yeah, take it slow and don't forget to invite the creator when you do it.
09:34 Because you know, like even when you buy a gadget, if something breaks down, you try
09:38 to find on the website.
09:41 Troubleshooting.
09:42 Troubleshooting.
09:43 Yeah.
09:44 You don't go, well, maybe some people do DIY, but you know, most often than not, you end
09:47 up ruining it, right?
09:49 That's me.
09:50 I try to take apart my phone.
09:52 Yeah.
09:53 I will, I don't know why.
09:56 And Sophie, when you were sort of discovering this and going at your own pace, were there
10:01 any other sort of tips that you took, sort of to calm yourself down, to re-find that
10:08 joy within you that then resulted in this amazing book?
10:12 What were the steps?
10:14 I had to take a very, I would say extreme move at that time.
10:20 I was building my career here in Jakarta with my husband and my kids.
10:25 We had to move to Bali in 2016.
10:29 I think that was the biggest, well, obviously don't just move.
10:33 I mean, you know, everybody has their own way of doing stuff.
10:36 But my way was, I think I had to really get out of all the noise and temptation, which
10:45 made me, you know, I need to work.
10:47 The rat race.
10:48 The rat race.
10:49 Yeah.
10:50 I guess you could say that.
10:52 But then, yeah, so we had to do that and we had to make adjustments financially, everything.
10:59 And then I started on the book and yeah, everything just rolled from there.
11:04 But really slowly.
11:05 That was in 2016.
11:07 And that is in line with around when you wrote your first book.
11:10 So did writing these books kind of help you through your recovery process, if you will?
11:16 I actually think I'm fortunate.
11:18 I'm blessed to say that when I started writing and not journaling, you know, because journaling
11:24 is, you know, I'm not like telling you my life story.
11:27 Just random thoughts.
11:29 Yeah.
11:30 But when you start writing, I think it actually helps you heal.
11:34 You know, you don't always have to be a writer and publish a book, but just start writing.
11:38 Not writing, because like if you ask the Gen Alpha today, maybe write something, mimic
11:45 writing.
11:46 Or this.
11:47 Or this.
11:48 Right.
11:49 Yeah.
11:50 Or, you know, when maybe people and artists are like, "I called you."
11:53 And they was, "I called you."
11:55 You know, it's this.
11:57 So start writing because there's something called the limbic system too.
12:02 It connects some part of the brain.
12:05 I don't want to get this wrong, but to when, you know, when the message gets to your wrist,
12:10 you know, you start writing and then, you know.
12:12 You're physically putting words on a page as opposed to typing out letters.
12:16 Yes.
12:17 It's different.
12:18 And then, you know, you can actually start crying when you do that, you know, because
12:21 it's just so deep.
12:23 Things that actually come out.
12:24 So you're very therapeutic.
12:25 It's true because when you write something, you actually have to take your time and think
12:29 because when you're typing things, how many times do you hit that delete and, "Oh, I got
12:31 to keep re-correcting everything I say," as opposed to actually going through the actual
12:35 process and taking the time to do it, right?
12:37 True.
12:38 So I truly believe in just writing.
12:39 Just write whatever.
12:40 Yeah.
12:41 Because nobody needs to read it.
12:42 You can even curse if you want.
12:44 But then it's good because then when you go back to it a week later, you're like, "Oh,
12:48 I've come a long way," even though it's only a week after.
12:53 Right.
12:54 And that's on top of the fact that you didn't start out as a writer.
12:57 You're not a writer to begin with.
12:58 You're an actress.
12:59 You're a famous presenter.
13:00 TV presenter.
13:01 Yes.
13:02 Exactly.
13:03 And as well.
13:04 So how did that transition for you?
13:06 I mean, it's not easy to write a book.
13:08 From the hustle and bustle of Jakarta to Bali, just sitting down in peace and writing.
13:17 It took a lot out of me.
13:19 It was hard for me to learn how to keep still.
13:23 It's hard for me.
13:25 So I guess I just had to push through because it was a big commitment.
13:29 The whole family had to take the whole commitment.
13:31 And then I used it also as a time to learn to be, and I don't want to sound cliche, but
13:38 to be a better wife and mom at the time because there are kids who are growing and now they're
13:46 grown up.
13:47 So I guess I'm entering a new season.
13:51 I hope I have been trained enough to just function better because I just felt that all
13:59 the busyness at that time made me not perform my best at being a wife and a mother.
14:06 Not cliche at all.
14:07 And I think that more of us need to care for ourselves more because we don't realize that
14:12 when we care for ourselves, it helps us care for those around us a little better.
14:15 It's true because once you start going into routines, it just feels like you're just functioning
14:22 like a robot.
14:23 Like a wife, I do this.
14:25 Okay, your breakfast, take it out.
14:28 You don't do it with enough compassion.
14:30 Enough, yeah.
14:31 Because you're like, this is what wives do.
14:33 This is what a mom does.
14:35 But then when you have nothing else to do, everything else is taken away from you, you're
14:39 like, oh man.
14:40 Yeah.
14:41 Oh, wow.
14:42 You can put more eggs in that basket.
14:45 So this is, again, I want to touch on a little bit because you did say, "Hati yang gembira
14:50 adalah obat" is actually, you had a first book that was titled just that.
14:55 And then your publisher, because you initially came up with the idea of writing this as just
14:59 a book covering overthinking.
15:02 But then through discussions, you guys decided that it would be best to have this as part
15:06 of a series.
15:07 Yeah.
15:08 So tell us a little bit more about the idea behind this now.
15:11 Okay, so this is very, we're still in our early days.
15:16 I came up with Si Paling Overthinking, but then I had a hard time writing it because
15:21 I just felt so frustrated.
15:23 Things were changing in the COVID pandemic.
15:26 I started this in 2021, this third book.
15:29 So it took a long time.
15:31 And I just kept getting writer's block after writer's block.
15:35 So my publishers were like, "Let's just put it back to the old frame, hati yang gembira
15:40 adalah obat.
15:41 Try to write it from that mindset.
15:43 Maybe it will help the juices flow."
15:44 And I said, "Oh, that's a good idea.
15:46 Okay."
15:47 So that's like a temporary working title.
15:50 And then my husband actually, Ponky actually came up with the idea, "You know what?
15:54 Why don't you just keep this title?"
15:56 Because this was what changed you.
15:57 It was like a revelation in your life.
16:00 When the walls started to crumble, you became this new person.
16:03 And let's just keep that.
16:04 So whatever series you write in the future about self-improvement will always be under
16:09 this frame.
16:10 Kind of like chicken soup, you know?
16:13 Yeah.
16:14 And it covers, yeah, that makes total sense.
16:16 But then there will be other themes.
16:18 So hopefully, hopefully.
16:20 Great idea, by the way, from us, Ponky.
16:22 I'm sure he's happier with the new you as well, right?
16:25 I hope so.
16:26 I'm sure he is.
16:27 I hope so.
16:28 A happy wife brings a happy life, they say.
16:29 That's what they say.
16:30 I mean, Paul, you can...
16:31 Yeah, well, all I know is a happy stomach makes a happy husband.
16:34 So that's all it takes for me.
16:36 So this is what we're going to recommend for you for Book Talk.
16:39 But of course, our author has a book recommendation of her own.
16:43 So what would you like to recommend to all of our viewers?
16:45 You know what?
16:46 To be honest, I don't read that much books.
16:48 Like when I like a writer, I will keep hammering on everything the guy or the woman writes
16:55 because I just feel like I absorb too much sometimes if I read too much and then it affects
17:01 my writing.
17:02 But then if you ask me, I have this one writer that I am such a fan of, Mitch Elbaum.
17:09 And I think the book that changed me and started me on my writing journey was Tuesdays with
17:15 Morrie.
17:16 I know this book.
17:17 Yeah.
17:18 Did you read this?
17:19 It was actually one of our high school readings.
17:20 Really?
17:21 Really?
17:22 I don't remember it because it was so long ago.
17:23 That shows you my age, by the way.
17:24 But yes, Tuesdays with Morrie.
17:25 I remember this because we do have to write a book report on it.
17:28 He was having this life crisis too and he was talking with his...
17:33 I'm not doing a spoiler yet.
17:35 You can read that on the book review.
17:38 He was talking with his professor who was dying.
17:42 I think he had a terminal illness or something.
17:44 And that's when he found out that he had been so vain in life, living his life in vain.
17:50 That's what I meant.
17:52 And he started to see life more meaningfully from Morrie's eyes.
17:57 From a different perspective because there's such an age gap between the two, right?
18:00 And having these weekly meetings with them helped him discover himself as well.
18:03 This book touched me so much.
18:04 There's a lot of symbolism in this book as well.
18:06 So definitely recommended reading.
18:08 I'll have to get my hands on it.
18:10 Absolutely.
18:11 Yeah.
18:12 This one's a classic.
18:13 And it's an easy read too.
18:14 Yes.
18:15 It's quite light.
18:16 That's probably why they made us do it in high school.
18:17 That's a good point.
18:18 Thank you, Sophie, so much for joining us.
18:21 We know that you're actually residing in Bali, but you took the time while you're in Jakarta
18:25 for a few days to join us here on the program.
18:27 Thank you.
18:28 We appreciate that.
18:29 I'll actually be coming more to Jakarta now that the kids are grown up.
18:31 I think they want me out of that.
18:33 They're no longer kids.
18:34 They're adults now.
18:35 You have to call them adults from now on.
18:37 Anyway, Hati yang Gembira adalah Obat Si Paling Overthinking, available now in all the major
18:43 bookstores and look for them online.
18:45 The green store, the orange store, it's there.
18:48 There you go, guys.
18:49 There you go.
18:50 Thanks again.
18:51 And I wish all our best to Mas Wong Ki as well and hope to catch up with you guys soon.
18:55 Thank you.
18:56 All right.
18:57 That was Book Talk, but do stay tuned.
18:59 Coming up next is another signature segment of ours, Sports Talk, where we're going to
19:03 cover a little bit about the overthinking that we did about the loss last night that
19:07 our Garuda Muda national team suffered at the hands of Uzbekistan.
19:11 Stay tuned for that.
19:12 We'll be right back after this.
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