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00:00:00 [MUSIC]

00:00:10 >> [LAUGH]

00:00:14 [MUSIC]

00:00:17 >> Boy, the rocket.

00:00:18 [MUSIC]

00:00:20 >> We are entering what's gonna be our third,

00:00:23 possibly two hour stream of the last 24 hours.

00:00:26 And you get punchy.

00:00:29 Let's get into it here.

00:00:30 We're at pick 61, pick is in, lions are on the clock here.

00:00:34 Some players that you guys might have sort of wanted here at 68,

00:00:37 maybe gone, we'll get into that in a minute.

00:00:38 With the benefit of having talked to our guy, Jalen Polk here.

00:00:45 Jalen or Jalen?

00:00:46 Jalen, right, Jalen?

00:00:47 >> Jalen, yeah.

00:00:48 >> Jalen Polk, you talked to him, do you like him?

00:00:50 >> Yeah.

00:00:53 >> I know we talked about, we read a lot of the Twitter stuff, character guy.

00:00:58 >> Character guy.

00:00:58 >> Dude and sort of guy and

00:01:00 it feels like everybody coming off that interview was gushing a little bit.

00:01:04 >> I also saw a video that NBC Sports Boston put up where they were doing

00:01:07 the huddle, I think it was maybe against Texas in that playoff game.

00:01:10 He was in the middle of the huddle hyping people up,

00:01:12 which is pretty wild considering everything you hear about Michael Pettis Jr.

00:01:15 And obviously he is a great leader, nothing taking away from him.

00:01:18 But the fact that Polk was the guy rallying the troops,

00:01:20 I thought was very impressive.

00:01:22 And listening to him, you can see why.

00:01:24 Like I asked, originally I asked him what allowed him to thrive in their offense,

00:01:27 and he talked about being a leader.

00:01:29 And I actually just posted, I can go over right now.

00:01:32 But he talked about the leadership,

00:01:33 which is very obvious that that was something he brings.

00:01:35 Having a high standard mindset of wanting to get better,

00:01:38 pushing guys around him, and all that good stuff.

00:01:40 On top of that, he talked about improvement.

00:01:43 I was like, all right, so what do you need to work on?

00:01:45 And he gave me a list.

00:01:46 I didn't expect him to say this, but she said having more energy in his routes,

00:01:50 being more efficient out of breaks, being more explosive,

00:01:52 breaking off routes, and making guys miss the physicality.

00:01:56 With young guys, you love to see that self-awareness,

00:01:58 and to know they're working on getting better at what they're not great at.

00:02:02 So I thought that was really impressive.

00:02:04 And also just clearly someone who I think they took and

00:02:07 know is gonna be maybe a future leader on this team, which is what you want.

00:02:11 This is a draft that's probably gonna reset the direction of the franchise.

00:02:14 And with that competitiveness, that leadership, like Drake May,

00:02:18 I really, it's obvious why teams had him higher.

00:02:20 This is a dude who I think makes everyone around him better,

00:02:24 just like they said about Drake May.

00:02:26 >> He's a guy who I think too, who's- >> Go ahead.

00:02:29 >> Even watching some of those highlights,

00:02:31 it kind of brings you back to some of the stuff you see before.

00:02:33 It's a guy who has a lot of room to get better.

00:02:36 And he is a solid player, but can also build on it.

00:02:40 And like what Taylor said, when the stuff he talks about,

00:02:43 being a character guy, that's somebody who you know is gonna put their head to the,

00:02:48 nose to the grindstone, what have you, and actually, truly work on their game and

00:02:52 try and get better at it.

00:02:53 So as much as it's, people keep saying low ceiling, high floor,

00:02:56 he can raise that ceiling with some work ethic and being a solid dude in the room.

00:03:00 >> Exactly, we saw what Jacoby literally,

00:03:02 we're like he didn't have a lot of confidence early on and didn't do anything.

00:03:06 Cam Newton gave him that confidence.

00:03:08 And what did everybody say?

00:03:09 Everyone was devastated when Jacoby left because he was one of the leaders in

00:03:13 that room.

00:03:14 So yeah, it's really funny that I feel like it's almost a course correction where

00:03:18 you get someone who in a lot of ways reminds you of Jacoby.

00:03:22 But again, with just a little bit more juice where instead of the occasional

00:03:25 slot fade or reduced split fade like we saw from Jacoby,

00:03:28 I think he gives you a little more than that.

00:03:30 And more, I think, physicality after the catch where that wasn't a big area

00:03:34 Jacoby's game.

00:03:35 >> Yep.

00:03:35 [BLANK_AUDIO]

00:03:38 >> Boom, also Roger Rosen off the board, which is pretty disappointing.

00:03:41 >> All right, let's have a kid here and then we'll dig in here up to pick 68.

00:03:46 We're just recapping.

00:03:49 Patriots traded down from 34 to 37.

00:03:54 They drafted Jalen Polk here at 37 overall out of Washington.

00:04:00 Michael Pennix is number two guy, a lot to like.

00:04:04 I know some people were down because neither Taylor nor

00:04:08 Mike included him in their top available receivers at that time.

00:04:11 Mike Giardi, however, did, and he texted me and

00:04:14 he took a little victory lap over it, the insider.

00:04:17 But there's certainly, like I said, as you go through it,

00:04:21 you're gonna hear a little bit more about what he does.

00:04:25 And I don't mind unsexy, and you need these sort of guys.

00:04:30 That's not really the concern here.

00:04:31 It's just simply, Kenny, what's he gonna be at the pro level?

00:04:35 You wanna see, if you're drafting a person who's a legit number two receiver in

00:04:39 the second round of an NFL draft, that's a win.

00:04:41 You're not always gonna hit a home run, but

00:04:44 that's a solid win for a team that needs anything.

00:04:46 So again, we can talk ourselves into it.

00:04:49 I think people were just looking for a little bit of juice, and

00:04:52 there was still some juice on the board, and they chose to opt out of it.

00:04:55 Here's Polk talking to New England media.

00:04:57 And again, I talk about gushing almost to a man, everybody's like,

00:05:01 I like this kid.

00:05:02 >> Getting in Jalen Polk.

00:05:05 >> Man, they're getting the beast, man.

00:05:07 A dude that love football, love his teammates, and ready to build and

00:05:13 be able to come and bring a great player and a very electric person,

00:05:19 and go on to win games.

00:05:21 >> Hey Jalen, welcome.

00:05:23 Excited to get you up here.

00:05:24 So obviously second round pick for

00:05:26 the Patriots drafted after quarterback Drake May.

00:05:29 What do you know about Drake?

00:05:31 Do you guys have any connection and

00:05:32 what are you looking forward to to kind of building this next rookie class with him?

00:05:36 >> Yeah, man, so the guy's electric.

00:05:39 He goes out there and he's able to make plays for his team.

00:05:42 And a great guy, man, an awesome player, man.

00:05:45 And I've had an opportunity throughout this process to see a lot of his plays

00:05:50 that he's been able to put up for his team.

00:05:53 And I'm excited to be able to get to work with him.

00:05:56 >> Go to Taylor Kiles.

00:05:57 >> Hey, and hello, welcome to New England, congratulations.

00:06:02 >> Appreciate it.

00:06:03 >> Watching that, watching offense, man, you guys were bombs away,

00:06:06 a lot of success downfield.

00:06:08 For your game specifically, I'm wondering, how would you describe your strengths and

00:06:11 your ability to have success in that downfield role,

00:06:14 especially with a quarterback like Drake May who loves to throw those kinds of passes?

00:06:18 >> My mindset is just be different.

00:06:20 A lot of guys are putting in a lot of work.

00:06:22 So in order to separate yourself,

00:06:24 you gotta find a way that you can be different within yourself.

00:06:28 So challenging myself, finding my weaknesses, the things that I need to work

00:06:32 on to be able to excel in my game and separate myself from the best.

00:06:36 So just continuously have that high standard mindset of wanting to be better

00:06:42 each and every day, and pushing the guys around me as well, being a leader.

00:06:45 So I think what I bring to the table and feeding off the other guys as well,

00:06:52 is what's gonna make us true to our game and

00:06:56 capable of the things that we're gonna be able to do outside on the field.

00:06:59 [BLANK_AUDIO]

00:07:02 >> Kingsley Suamataia went to the- >> Yeah.

00:07:05 >> The Dream State.

00:07:06 >> We know, we know.

00:07:07 So they hung in there.

00:07:09 Basically, you just wanna draft everyone the Chiefs draft.

00:07:11 He goes at 63.

00:07:13 Was this a trade up possibility?

00:07:15 >> Yes.

00:07:17 >> But even Xavier Worthy there, right?

00:07:19 That was a good pick by them last night, I think, anyway.

00:07:22 So regardless, a trade up possibility for the Patriots here, John?

00:07:27 Yeah. >> I'm saying,

00:07:28 that was a spot you could have gotten to, 63.

00:07:30 You wanna get there, you can get there.

00:07:31 >> We found out after the fact, they tried to get receivers and tackles.

00:07:34 We have no idea if they tried to trade up and just couldn't.

00:07:36 But it looks like right now, they're getting another weapon.

00:07:38 And honestly, I'm not so mad about that.

00:07:40 >> So that's where it is, is are we done?

00:07:43 Are the tackles, is there an O lineman out there right now that's still worth

00:07:46 taking at this position?

00:07:47 >> Yeah, I still like Javon Foster.

00:07:50 I still like Travis Glover.

00:07:51 They are more developmental guys and

00:07:53 depth guys at this stage of their career for sure.

00:07:55 But I think- >> [CROSSTALK]

00:07:59 >> Karen Omega G.

00:08:00 >> Karen Omega G as well, yeah.

00:08:01 He's another kinda high upside guy.

00:08:04 >> And then wide receivers, Jalen McMillan,

00:08:09 if they really wanna double dip on Washington.

00:08:11 Troy Franklin is still available.

00:08:13 That's a guy G already had in his round two.

00:08:15 And then Javon Baker is here as well,

00:08:17 who Taylor has obviously at the top of his number one.

00:08:19 >> The double up receiver.

00:08:21 >> They can double up with Tez Walker for what it's worth.

00:08:24 Drake Mays guy at North Carolina.

00:08:26 So there is a chance here for them to do something.

00:08:28 Another guy that I wanna throw out there is Jatavian Sanders from Texas,

00:08:33 the tight end.

00:08:34 The Patriots have Hunter Henry, they have Austin Hooper.

00:08:37 But Jatavian Sanders is a player who can add to that room,

00:08:40 who a lot of times Texas from the stuff I saw, they used him as a tight end.

00:08:44 But they also split him out a lot and can kinda use him as a wide receiver.

00:08:47 He's a little bit on the smaller, I mean, he's 6'4", 245, but

00:08:51 he's a little bit on the leaner side for a tight end.

00:08:53 So I could see them taking a swing at a tight end here as well.

00:08:57 Talking about weaponizing the offense, it might not just be wide receivers,

00:09:01 they might also go with a tight end here.

00:09:02 So we'll see.

00:09:03 >> I wanna point out, real quick, hold on, real quick.

00:09:06 I wanna point out these graphics were made before the draft.

00:09:08 We know people are gone.

00:09:10 I don't want people to think we still think these people are out there.

00:09:12 This is just who's remaining that Mike and Taylor had said earlier, hey,

00:09:17 I might be interested in these guys.

00:09:18 So I just wanted to put that out there so the chat doesn't light up and say,

00:09:22 you dummies, we know, we know, we know.

00:09:26 Anyway, go ahead, Taylor.

00:09:28 >> I was saying if Javon Baker ends up being the pick, I'd be very,

00:09:32 if they get Jalen Polk and Javon Baker, where Javon is more the ex but

00:09:36 could also play anywhere, that's two guys where I think you have a very

00:09:40 promising young receiving court.

00:09:42 Troy Franklin's also on the board.

00:09:43 I think third round may be a better value for him.

00:09:47 Roman Wilson's still on the board.

00:09:48 I don't think he's a great fit though, yeah.

00:09:50 So Jermaine Burton's on the board, but I don't think he's a culture fit for them.

00:09:55 So yeah, I really do like Javon Baker at this pick if he's still there.

00:10:00 >> That tackle should have been the Patriots right there.

00:10:06 >> I know. >> That's why you make,

00:10:08 that's why you make them.

00:10:10 >> I'll go through some of the offensive tackle options.

00:10:11 >> I know, but that's why the Kingsley right there,

00:10:14 that's why you make that trade down to get the capital to maybe move.

00:10:19 Again, if that's someone you targeted, that seems like a spot, but

00:10:22 you don't know, their board might have had him nowhere near that spot.

00:10:26 But it is what it is.

00:10:28 Go ahead, Taylor.

00:10:31 >> I got it.

00:10:31 >> Niners take Renardo Green, pick 64, I believe.

00:10:35 >> I loved him, but yeah, he wasn't going on the Patriots.

00:10:38 >> You're doing it again.

00:10:39 You're starting to do it again.

00:10:41 You're doing that thing where you love everybody and it's, you know.

00:10:45 >> Taylor, who's your least favorite player in the draft?

00:10:47 >> If you look at my Twitter, I've been saying for

00:10:49 like months that I like Renardo Green.

00:10:50 >> Okay, I'm just warning that we're getting to that point in the draft where

00:10:55 Taylor likes everything.

00:10:57 But anyway- >> Who's your least favorite player in

00:10:59 the draft?

00:10:59 >> Yeah, who's- >> Who's your least favorite player in

00:11:02 the draft?

00:11:02 >> Tess Walker.

00:11:04 >> He's gonna go at 68.

00:11:07 >> In your face.

00:11:08 >> [LAUGH] >> If he goes, no, what if he goes at 68?

00:11:11 >> Dude, I was about to be so not happy.

00:11:15 Then you would have seen angry Tess.

00:11:17 >> John, Tess is gonna go and Taylor's gonna be like, yes, yes.

00:11:21 [LAUGH] >> I'm no phony.

00:11:25 >> Zanis, you're me.

00:11:26 >> Yeah.

00:11:27 >> Okay, so, Number one guy, Taylor, 68.

00:11:35 Who do you want?

00:11:36 Who's top of the board?

00:11:37 You want a tackle?

00:11:38 >> You want- >> So you'd rather Baker over Kieran

00:11:40 Emegi?

00:11:41 >> Yeah, yeah.

00:11:41 >> Okay, and is that due to your confidence

00:11:47 in a core of four playing left tackle?

00:11:51 >> Not so much, but I think Javon Baker gives you one more immediately and

00:11:55 also has, Kieran Emegi has a lot of upside, but he's very much a developmental pick.

00:12:00 He might not even get taken in the third round.

00:12:01 >> Yeah.

00:12:02 >> He could be, it really depends on what a team sees in him and

00:12:05 how they think they can develop him.

00:12:07 That's, I think, what it comes down to,

00:12:08 whether you think he's a third or a fourth round prospect.

00:12:10 >> The Jets are on the clock, they just traded in.

00:12:16 They could give on Baker, I'm gonna fight, I'm gonna fight someone.

00:12:19 >> Who was their first round pick?

00:12:21 >> Olufersanu.

00:12:24 >> That's right, okay.

00:12:25 [BLANK_AUDIO]

00:12:32 Chat, who do we want?

00:12:34 I see Kingsley, I see Malachi Corley, okay, Troy Franklin.

00:12:39 >> Blake Corum.

00:12:40 >> Blake Corum.

00:12:41 >> Franklin's gotten some love.

00:12:43 >> Yeah.

00:12:44 [BLANK_AUDIO]

00:12:51 >> Yep.

00:12:52 >> So Zanis, you want tackle then over wide receiver here?

00:12:55 >> No, I don't, I'm just saying, of all the names, again,

00:12:58 I'm reading everybody's boards and what you guys are talking about.

00:13:01 And the name that was mentioned potentially in contention for

00:13:04 two still being available four or five picks before where you pick.

00:13:09 If that was the last shot at a true- >> Yeah, right.

00:13:13 >> Day one starting tackle potentially, and that was a need,

00:13:18 that seems like the type of place you might jump.

00:13:20 KC traded into that spot, right?

00:13:22 >> Yes, they did.

00:13:23 >> So KC's trade, this is again, the conversation we talked about earlier.

00:13:27 [BLANK_AUDIO]

00:13:29 >> Also- >> Trading up is the best tactic when you

00:13:32 have a guy you're targeting and that's why you like to see teams trade up.

00:13:38 Cuz you know the guy they want is there and they wanna get them at all costs.

00:13:42 And when you don't do that, you just have to assume they're happy with a bunch of

00:13:46 different options here at this thing.

00:13:48 And they're just letting the board fall however they want it to.

00:13:52 >> Just reading, yeah, and reading what like Elliot Wolfe has said too,

00:13:57 they've really seemed to, they like their offensive line and

00:14:01 they want those weapons on offense mixed with Cameron Wolfe who's been down and

00:14:05 plugged into Gerard Mayo and Foxborough this week saying that, watch for

00:14:09 them to weaponize the offense with 34 and 68.

00:14:13 I'm reading it more as they're not gonna go tackle yet and

00:14:17 they're just gonna try and- >> Weapon, weapon, weapon, weapon.

00:14:22 >> Weapon, weapon, weapon, weapon up this thing, so.

00:14:24 >> Also- >> I think so too.

00:14:25 >> AD Mitchell going to the Colts, I actually love that.

00:14:29 They're not in desperate need for receiver help.

00:14:31 They got- >> You know what else I would have loved?

00:14:32 >> On the Patriots.

00:14:34 >> AD Mitchell for the Patriots.

00:14:35 >> But I mean, again, that's one of those where he clearly slipped so

00:14:38 something was up.

00:14:39 And they're rebuilding in the culture, we're talking about AD Mitchell who's got

00:14:42 all these question marks versus Jalen Polk who is this absolute stud off the field

00:14:46 and also a good player.

00:14:48 But I think that's a cool fit for the Colts.

00:14:49 You got first Anthony Richardson, very fun.

00:14:52 Then you got Josh Downs, Michael Pittman still there.

00:14:55 They got Alec Pierce, they don't really need him to be the guy.

00:14:59 He can just kind of be a number three at worst who just wins on that backside,

00:15:02 like his role.

00:15:03 I thought that was a really good pick by them.

00:15:05 I'm not mad they didn't go to the Patriots.

00:15:06 Same reason I wasn't mad that Dwan Jones didn't end up on the Patriots.

00:15:09 Cuz clearly, it seemed like there was something about his profile they didn't

00:15:13 really like.

00:15:13 And at the end of the day, some teams just take guys off their boards.

00:15:17 >> So Malachi Corley goes to the Jets.

00:15:20 >> Yeah, what of the receivers here in terms of who you like,

00:15:27 who gives the Patriots an element they don't have?

00:15:30 >> Javon Baker, he gives you explosiveness.

00:15:32 I think he gives you an X who is a dynamic right route runner right now.

00:15:37 And he's got great hands.

00:15:38 I think he gives you a guy who legitimately can.

00:15:40 I think Jalen Pope still can be an X, but I like him way better as a Z and

00:15:44 a slot type like a Jacoby Myers.

00:15:46 So yeah, Javon Baker would be my guy at this spot.

00:15:49 I think- >> Javon Baker came up to Foxborough for

00:15:51 a 30 visit, correct?

00:15:52 >> Who, Javon Baker?

00:15:54 >> Did Baker come to Foxborough for a 30?

00:15:57 >> I think so, let me double check.

00:15:58 >> I think so too.

00:15:59 So that's- >> Yeah, he did.

00:16:01 >> That's worth noting, okay.

00:16:03 >> He's also not a burner.

00:16:05 I think he was in the 453, 454 range as well.

00:16:09 >> But he plays faster than that.

00:16:10 >> It's not all about 40s and there's a million other things there.

00:16:15 So absolutely not.

00:16:16 >> He's not sure he's strengthened or anything, but he's-

00:16:17 >> He's got good play strength.

00:16:18 He's got, yeah, exactly right.

00:16:21 >> Gives you a gap time.

00:16:22 We're like, Kendrick, hopefully if he's back to full strength,

00:16:26 then Pop can be that.

00:16:27 But I think Baker is one where you're like, God, he scares you after the catch.

00:16:32 >> [CROSSTALK] >> Yeah, yeah.

00:16:35 >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:16:37 I was thinking KB and Pop are good after the catch.

00:16:40 But again, I think Baker is a legit big-

00:16:43 >> Well, there's a difference between fast

00:16:46 and athletic.

00:16:47 I think everyone just kind of puts so much of it on the speed.

00:16:51 Polk is athletic.

00:16:52 Baker, again, he's a good leaper.

00:16:58 He's someone who's athletic despite not having blazing speed.

00:17:02 And again, that play speed, which I think is like, remember like ten years ago when

00:17:06 everyone's like, the cone drills are really important.

00:17:09 And everyone was just looking at 40 times, like,

00:17:13 well that really matters, quickness.

00:17:14 And then, the ten yard is really important.

00:17:17 And everything kind of changes.

00:17:18 I think people are really looking at play speed now as something which is like,

00:17:23 the 452 straight line doesn't mean a freaking thing if the guy plays a lot

00:17:27 faster.

00:17:27 [LAUGH] >> Or they play slower.

00:17:30 There's a lot of guys who run like a 4-3 and don't know how to use the speed.

00:17:33 And it's like, well, you're fast in a straight line, but no one's scared.

00:17:36 >> Do the Patriots have any of those guys?

00:17:38 >> Taekwon.

00:17:39 >> I know.

00:17:40 >> He just doesn't have hands.

00:17:41 [LAUGH] >> I know.

00:17:43 But again- >> He's a baby.

00:17:44 >> Yeah.

00:17:45 >> God. >> All right, we're coming up.

00:17:49 So three picks left.

00:17:50 Arizona, Washington, New England.

00:17:53 All right.

00:17:54 Taylor, I think you've talked into Javon Baker for the pick here.

00:18:00 >> He's fun, man.

00:18:01 And this is from someone who watched him the first time and was very annoyed.

00:18:04 Cuz it's like he does have the drops where you're like, you see him,

00:18:08 there's a pass that's over his head and he'll spike it with one hand like it's

00:18:12 nothing.

00:18:13 And then he'll have to make a catch and someone punches it and

00:18:16 then he lets it go even though it's right in his basket.

00:18:18 He needs, I think, to improve his technique.

00:18:21 Also his hands, he kind of does this instead of flashing a triangle,

00:18:24 which is what you're usually taught to do.

00:18:26 And it kind of hurts him.

00:18:27 And also again, finishing through contact is big.

00:18:30 But also, you're thinking, okay, we can shore that up.

00:18:33 This guy is gonna be a problem for people.

00:18:36 So yeah, I really like him.

00:18:37 >> Let's see here.

00:18:42 Who's on the clock right now?

00:18:43 >> Arizona at 66.

00:18:47 >> I'm jacked up.

00:18:52 >> Yes, you are.

00:18:54 >> On the clock.

00:18:56 I'm always jacked up.

00:18:56 >> I mean, this gets you going though, big guy.

00:19:00 >> Does. >> This really,

00:19:01 this takes you to 11 for sure.

00:19:05 >> I'm excited for them to take a defender.

00:19:07 >> It's Austin Booker.

00:19:09 I'm not gonna lie.

00:19:10 I'm just gonna sit here in silence.

00:19:12 I'm gonna sit here in silence.

00:19:14 >> Yeah, I'm sure of it.

00:19:15 >> [LAUGH] >> Is that someone on his list?

00:19:18 >> Yeah.

00:19:20 >> Booker's my boy.

00:19:21 My one defender.

00:19:23 >> He's a fast rusher.

00:19:23 He's like a higher upside Uche.

00:19:26 He can play every now and he's just inexperienced and small.

00:19:30 But if he puts on more weight, he can contribute immediately in pass rushing

00:19:34 situations and be a real problem.

00:19:37 I'm a big fan of his.

00:19:38 I again, I'm not gonna jump in here, but I would be.

00:19:41 >> Okay.

00:19:42 >> But would you want them to take him?

00:19:43 >> I'm sorry?

00:19:46 >> Would you want them to take him?

00:19:47 >> Not now, honestly.

00:19:50 I would be like, I love him, but I wish he'd gotten an offensive player, but yeah.

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00:21:28 We're going back to poke for a second while we wait and Arizona's pick is in.

00:21:32 Who'd they take, guys?

00:21:33 >> I don't see it yet.

00:21:36 Arizona?

00:21:37 >> Yeah, Trey Benson.

00:21:40 >> The Patriots took Kayden Wallace.

00:21:42 >> What, it happened?

00:21:44 >> Yeah.

00:21:45 >> You already see it?

00:21:47 >> What?

00:21:48 >> Yeah, Connor Hughes tweeted the Patriots took Kayden Wallace.

00:21:52 >> How is that possible?

00:21:53 We're not even there yet.

00:21:54 >> Interesting.

00:21:55 >> We're on the clock.

00:21:56 >> We're at 66.

00:21:57 Taylor, we're two picks away, buddy.

00:22:01 >> Yeah, no, Hughes is on it.

00:22:03 >> Nobody else has this.

00:22:06 >> I know.

00:22:07 >> Well.

00:22:08 >> Commanders took Coleman, O to L.

00:22:12 >> Hughes is on it, yeah, yeah.

00:22:14 >> So let's see, Kayden Wallace.

00:22:18 >> So I mean, okay.

00:22:21 >> But he was a fourth round value on Dane Bruegler's The Beast.

00:22:25 Four year starter at Penn State, he was entrenched as the right tackle.

00:22:29 Broke into a starting lineup as a redshirt freshman,

00:22:33 showed steady progress year over year.

00:22:35 Had a strong senior season last year.

00:22:37 His kick slide isn't super explosive, he's controlled though.

00:22:43 When his technique's on point, he has the functional movements and

00:22:45 strength behind his hands to be a presence in the run game.

00:22:48 Wallace needs to continue developing his consistency and

00:22:51 is a smooth athlete with a wide base.

00:22:53 Punch ready hands and improved physicality to finish.

00:22:55 Wouldn't be a surprise to see him starting as an NFL rookie at right tackle or

00:22:59 potentially inside guard.

00:23:00 >> I don't like it.

00:23:03 >> I don't like it either.

00:23:04 >> I, yeah.

00:23:08 >> I'm not a fan.

00:23:09 >> I'm not a real fan about this one.

00:23:11 >> I just, look, I think there is, we're talking about the weaponized stuff.

00:23:16 We talk about taking guys, finding a value pick.

00:23:22 This feels like a second reach on day two a little bit.

00:23:25 You talk about Mackenzalves is there, Dominic Puney,

00:23:30 who is more of an interior guy, I guess.

00:23:31 But I also don't like going for a right tackle here.

00:23:35 I just don't.

00:23:36 I really think they need to figure out the left side.

00:23:40 I don't, I'm sorry, Taylor.

00:23:42 I don't trust, not that I don't wanna say I don't trust Okorafor at the left

00:23:47 tackle spot, but I want a long term plan there.

00:23:51 He's a one year guy who played right tackle so far in the NFL.

00:23:54 That doesn't feel like a long term plan to me.

00:23:56 Now, look, do they switch this thing up here and

00:24:01 make Mike Onwenu their left tackle?

00:24:03 I don't know, he's never played it in the league.

00:24:05 So that seems like a stretch to me.

00:24:07 Do they try it?

00:24:08 Do they think Caden Wallace can play left tackle at the next level?

00:24:11 I don't know, but it kind of feels like a mismatch, a mosh pit, if you will,

00:24:15 on both the left and right side of tackle.

00:24:17 And that just doesn't, I don't know, that doesn't sit well to me.

00:24:21 Surely they have a plan here.

00:24:23 It's not like they're just throwing darts, but

00:24:25 it doesn't feel like the slam dunk fix that we wanted.

00:24:31 >> I mean, they did get a guy who could be an immediate starter,

00:24:33 which is interesting, at least.

00:24:35 And I think probably says more about- >> Where?

00:24:37 No, you just signed one.

00:24:38 That's the problem.

00:24:40 >> No, what I'm saying, I think this reflects more on what they probably see

00:24:43 at either with Cole Strange, >> Cole Strange.

00:24:45 >> So or Mike Onwenu.

00:24:46 >> So here's the thing.

00:24:50 So Onwenu, right guard, you'd say, if he's gonna play on the inside, right?

00:24:55 Not a left guard?

00:24:58 I, in van Pelt's scheme, I thought he was better as a tackle, to be honest,

00:25:02 because the interior linemen pull a lot.

00:25:04 And Eropfor said he was expected to be training as a tackle and

00:25:07 playing that this season.

00:25:08 So it's kind of, I would think this means more about the guards.

00:25:12 >> So City, okay, just again, it's a deflated stream.

00:25:24 It's a very deflated stream here.

00:25:25 >> [LAUGH] >> Hey, listen, man.

00:25:33 I know everybody on here saying this.

00:25:35 What do you want?

00:25:36 Is anybody a GM?

00:25:37 Anybody who does this?

00:25:39 You wanna find people who do more research in this stuff, in this market?

00:25:44 You find one person who knows more about these players than Taylor Kyles and

00:25:47 show them to me, okay?

00:25:49 Mike Kadlik has done his work as well.

00:25:51 So give me a break.

00:25:52 >> No, but I'm with the on Taylor here.

00:25:54 >> Like again, I mean, so everyone chill.

00:25:58 He's got opinions that are based on real things.

00:26:00 And have you ever seen this look?

00:26:04 Look at this guy.

00:26:05 Look at him.

00:26:06 Have you ever seen this?

00:26:08 Look at this guy.

00:26:09 Look at him.

00:26:10 >> [LAUGH] >> Sad face.

00:26:13 You don't get that, okay?

00:26:15 Processing.

00:26:16 So we don't need to be positive.

00:26:19 This is, again, if Jalen Polk was a slight reach and

00:26:23 somewhat unsexy pick, which I think everyone can talk themselves into,

00:26:26 potentially being a productive NFL receiver.

00:26:29 And I think his good traits are going to

00:26:33 outshine whatever it is that people don't love about him.

00:26:38 Or there's a good chance of it.

00:26:41 Again, as you said, Mike, kind of feels like Belichick-y.

00:26:47 You know?

00:26:47 >> Yeah.

00:26:49 >> This is a Belichick round.

00:26:52 Like, I like my guys.

00:26:54 I don't, wherever they are, the boards don't mean anything to me.

00:26:58 I'm just gonna get my guy.

00:27:03 >> Also, looking at Brandon Thorne and Dane Brubler's breakdowns,

00:27:07 both of them mentioned he was significantly better last season than he was previously.

00:27:11 He's an older prospect, so it kind of scares you, how much can he improve?

00:27:15 I think that's part of it, where you think that he can continue to get better.

00:27:18 And he is a good athlete, which makes sense.

00:27:20 Like, I think Sidney So is still a good athlete, but you don't really have a lot

00:27:25 of confidence in Cole Strange being able to maybe hold up or something like that.

00:27:30 Then this looks like a better move.

00:27:32 I'm just trying to rationalize what their thought process might be.

00:27:34 It'll be interesting to hear.

00:27:36 But that is significant, that he's a good athlete, and

00:27:38 he's known as having made a really big jump in consistency last season.

00:27:42 >> I mean, you like the up arrow.

00:27:45 Everyone loves a good trajectory, an up arrow trajectory.

00:27:48 So take it for what it is.

00:27:49 [BLANK_AUDIO]

00:27:56 >> I'll be curious to know how he feels about,

00:28:01 [BLANK_AUDIO]

00:28:04 Yeah, moving a left tackle.

00:28:06 I don't know how far back if he's ever even played the position.

00:28:09 >> Shoots?

00:28:12 >> No, this guy, Wallace, this guy.

00:28:15 >> Yeah.

00:28:17 >> I mean, he didn't in college, but.

00:28:19 [BLANK_AUDIO]

00:28:21 What do you think of, Sorry, I'm reading some Lazar on Wallace.

00:28:28 [BLANK_AUDIO]

00:28:33 I mean, It's not the splash.

00:28:38 It's not exciting.

00:28:39 It's an offensive tackle.

00:28:41 I mean, right?

00:28:43 >> It's a combo guard tackle prospect that probably projects to being

00:28:48 an average NFL starter.

00:28:50 Again, you're hoping for home runs.

00:28:53 I put it this way.

00:28:56 Sure, of course you need tackles.

00:28:59 I don't know that you needed a right tackle.

00:29:02 You just spent an ungodly amount of money on Michael and

00:29:05 went to and said he's playing right tackle.

00:29:07 That's you said it, said it.

00:29:09 That's what he's doing.

00:29:11 >> That's- >> He's playing right tackle.

00:29:12 So what did you do?

00:29:14 You brought in another kind of maybe swing tackle, combo guard to play in there.

00:29:20 After you drafted like 14 of them last year.

00:29:24 So I don't know what that does for you.

00:29:27 I think this is the type of currency that you can find anywhere.

00:29:32 And again, it's just simply, where are you in the draft?

00:29:36 What's available?

00:29:37 What's the need?

00:29:38 What's a bigger need that you can address now?

00:29:41 Just positionally, it seems odd and

00:29:45 not having anything to do with a fourth round grade or beyond.

00:29:48 Because honestly, we're gonna find out in the next 10, 15 minutes.

00:29:52 A lot of people have this person flying up their boards,

00:29:55 third round grade, tons of people.

00:29:57 It's the top of the third round, people.

00:30:00 It's still pretty early in the draft.

00:30:03 There's still big swings you can take here.

00:30:07 This is not pick a hundred, 98 or something where it's like,

00:30:11 well, we're in the shit now.

00:30:13 It's still pretty freaking high.

00:30:15 And just to take a combo, maybe it's just, man.

00:30:22 >> Yeah.

00:30:23 >> It's just not fun.

00:30:25 >> I mean, right, you look at the Puka Nakua of last year, the fifth round gem.

00:30:30 And we're sitting here talking about Caden Wallace in round three.

00:30:33 That's the crux of it.

00:30:34 That's what it comes down to.

00:30:36 Is there's chances for splashes, there are chances for more fun here.

00:30:39 We heard that they were gonna weaponize.

00:30:41 We were, realistically, we talked ourselves into another wide receiver

00:30:46 in the 30 minutes that we started on this show because of what

00:30:50 Cameron Wolf reported about the Patriots moving forward.

00:30:53 They go with the right tackle.

00:30:54 Taylor, I wanna ask you how you feel about Mike Unwenu moving to left tackle,

00:30:59 if that would ever be in the cards.

00:31:01 >> I don't think that's what this means.

00:31:02 I don't think that's what- >> Okay, no, I-

00:31:04 >> I think he's barely at-

00:31:05 >> [CROSSTALK]

00:31:07 >> And 15 people blew up my mentions.

00:31:10 >> Yeah, I don't think it's a dumb question.

00:31:11 I'm just saying, yeah, no, I don't think that's what this means.

00:31:14 >> Okay. >> But just like,

00:31:15 who's the best player on your offensive line, Mike Unwenu?

00:31:17 Who are guys that you feel unsure about?

00:31:20 >> I have to do this again, cuz this drives me insane, this comment.

00:31:24 Guys, what's the point of any analysis, ranking players,

00:31:29 getting excited about something?

00:31:32 What do you want?

00:31:33 Excited about everything, just pom pom waving the whole time?

00:31:36 This is the point of it, right?

00:31:38 You make your picks, you have guys you like, you have things you wanna see.

00:31:43 Nobody's saying there's GMs anywhere outside of those war rooms.

00:31:48 Those are the GMs.

00:31:49 We get that.

00:31:50 That's the point of this.

00:31:52 Don't consume any draft analysis.

00:31:55 >> Yeah. >> If you're prepared to have people say,

00:31:57 I like that pick, I don't like that pick.

00:32:00 If you just wanna like a pick, shut it down and

00:32:03 just tell yourself over and over again how awesome it is, okay?

00:32:06 That's it.

00:32:07 Woo, they got him, Caden Wallace, woo.

00:32:12 >> I thought something happened.

00:32:13 So Eric Galco, who runs the Shrine Bowl, tagged me in something.

00:32:18 He said the Patriots, and obviously Caden Wallace participated in the Shrine Bowl.

00:32:22 So the Patriots just got an instant impact offensive lineman who could potentially

00:32:25 start an offensive tackle.

00:32:27 Over 1,000 snaps to tackle in his college career after a dominant Shrine Bowl

00:32:31 consistently shows smooth, efficient movement skills.

00:32:34 >> So I love Galco.

00:32:36 I love the work he does with the Shrine Bowl.

00:32:38 I love Maggie.

00:32:39 >> I used to work for him.

00:32:41 >> You used to work for him?

00:32:42 >> Yeah, very briefly.

00:32:43 But yeah, I did for like two seconds.

00:32:44 >> You guys love the stream, guys.

00:32:46 >> I love Galco.

00:32:47 Let me get this thought out.

00:32:49 I love Galco, love the work they do with the Shrine Bowl.

00:32:51 That prospect bowl is on the up and up for the last couple years.

00:32:56 Jim Nagy, same thing with the Senior Bowl, love him, kicks ass.

00:32:59 I always take their analysis of the players that were at those bowls with

00:33:03 a grain of salt because they're trying to pump the bowls they run.

00:33:06 >> The coach, yeah, here we go.

00:33:07 >> So at the same time, they don't lie.

00:33:10 It's like Seth Wickersham.

00:33:12 They embellish a little bit, but if he's saying the guy's an instant impact player,

00:33:16 he still has to have his reputation.

00:33:18 He's not gonna say that if the guy can't.

00:33:20 So I will say, I don't think he's saying that to blow people away.

00:33:24 >> The real Bobby Manning is what I wanna know.

00:33:26 Is this the real Bobby Manning?

00:33:28 >> Hi, Bob.

00:33:28 >> I hope so.

00:33:30 >> [LAUGH] >> Better be the real Bobby Manning.

00:33:33 >> Yeah.

00:33:35 >> So yeah, I don't know.

00:33:36 I just sometimes when those, like- >> Matthew Slater,

00:33:39 how do we feel about right tackle in the third round?

00:33:42 Yeah.

00:33:44 >> That's Slater in the war room right now.

00:33:46 >> [LAUGH] >> Breaks through the wall after

00:33:49 Caden Wallace and just- >> He's the spirit coach right now.

00:33:51 He's back there pumping those guys up.

00:33:54 >> Anyway, go ahead, sorry, Mike.

00:33:56 >> No, it's just that's all.

00:33:58 When the prospect bowl directors tout guys, it's PR.

00:34:05 And that's what they're supposed to do for those guys.

00:34:08 I'm not saying anything against Nagy and Galco, obviously, but

00:34:13 that's what they're supposed to do.

00:34:14 So I like to see some other analysis from just outside of those guys, but.

00:34:23 >> It could be an indictment on the interior office of line though too.

00:34:26 They move onward.

00:34:28 >> Is that what I wanna ask?

00:34:30 Have they made their determined, okay, Bill is gone.

00:34:34 Maybe Bill felt an extra need to defend that Cole Strange pick a little bit longer,

00:34:38 hung on to him, force the issue.

00:34:40 He drafted all of those guys last year.

00:34:43 Is there a possibility that Mayo and other people in the building are like,

00:34:47 I don't like any of these guys.

00:34:49 Like, yeah, we drafted them.

00:34:50 I like none of them.

00:34:51 Like we need help everywhere.

00:34:52 And just to be clear, Elliott Wolfe did not say we need a tackle.

00:34:58 He said we need O-line help.

00:35:00 So they might be looking at all of it and saying, I don't like a freaking thing.

00:35:04 This idea that you're returning.

00:35:06 I think they're fine with Andrews.

00:35:08 I think they're fine with Anwenu.

00:35:10 And then you tell me.

00:35:10 >> I think they should like City, so I'd be surprised if they don't.

00:35:14 To me, this is probably- >> Maybe.

00:35:15 >> Strange.

00:35:16 >> Maybe.

00:35:20 I'm trying to find the staff, but basically, I looked it up to see how often

00:35:24 tackles versus interior linemen pulled in Alex Van Pelt scheme.

00:35:28 It wasn't close.

00:35:29 It's like tackles rarely ever pulled and guards did it all the time.

00:35:33 Would you rather Caden Wallace,

00:35:34 who everyone's talking about his athletic ability pulling or Mike Anwenu?

00:35:37 You want Mike Anwenu staying put and more just getting in the way or moving guys.

00:35:41 So I would be pretty surprised if this means that Mike Anwenu is going inside.

00:35:46 Also, unless there may be like going towards more of a downhill scheme, and

00:35:50 then every once in a while they're like using toss plays,

00:35:52 where the tackle is actually pulling, kind of what they did more last year.

00:35:56 That would make sense to me.

00:35:57 But yeah, I don't really, and their outside zone scheme,

00:36:01 it's not even outside zone, it's wide zone.

00:36:03 So it's not like some other teams where the tackle's trying to get in front of

00:36:07 a guy and needs that explosive athleticism.

00:36:09 Really, the tackles are more asked to wall guys off and

00:36:12 push them sideline to sideline, and you're trying to hit between the tackles.

00:36:16 When they want to get outside like what they did with Chubb,

00:36:18 it was more pin polar power, where you would just ask the tackle again to kind of

00:36:23 down block so he didn't have to do that.

00:36:25 And the guards would use their athleticism to get out in front.

00:36:27 So I don't think this is a reflection on Mike Anwenu.

00:36:31 >> No, no, no, no, no, but I'm saying between all of those,

00:36:35 you said Sidney Sow you think could play.

00:36:37 Moffey, I'm not sure, we saw him having to sub in.

00:36:41 We saw him trying to replace Strange when it looked like Strange couldn't play.

00:36:46 And Strange got a benefit of the doubt for injury concerns,

00:36:49 maybe much longer than he deserved it.

00:36:52 He just didn't play well when he was out there.

00:36:55 And he was getting rotated out in games for a player who wasn't playing well.

00:37:02 I think they're out on both those guys.

00:37:04 And that's it, and yeah, you're right,

00:37:09 you probably do leave Anwenu on the right side.

00:37:13 And you are probably looking for your next Anwenu here.

00:37:16 And I'm not saying that Wallace necessarily projects to be that.

00:37:19 But that might be kind of what you're hoping for here because you're not at all

00:37:23 thrilled with what you had on the interior of that line.

00:37:27 Everyone's looking tackle, tackle, tackle.

00:37:29 The whole thing is in disrepair.

00:37:31 So I get that.

00:37:32 >> Sure.

00:37:32 >> But also, get it later.

00:37:34 Just get it later, that's all.

00:37:37 That's all.

00:37:38 It's all about, these are premium picks, top second.

00:37:42 That's first rounders who slid, top third.

00:37:45 These are big.

00:37:47 And that drop really starts kind of a little bit later in this round,

00:37:51 into the fourth, where you're kind of like, all right, flyers now.

00:37:55 You are grabbing guys who you think can be day one players for

00:37:59 you at this point in the draft.

00:38:02 And if you're drafting depth pieces here, I think you're missing a little bit.

00:38:05 I mean, someone just to throw into the mix and help,

00:38:08 I think that's a misuse of this resource.

00:38:11 Not that the person can't play, that's my concern here.

00:38:15 >> 100%, this isn't like, obviously,

00:38:18 like you said, anything against the way Caden Wallace can play football.

00:38:21 That's not what this is.

00:38:22 It's just, and you mentioned it too, at this point in time,

00:38:26 you're trying to nab guys who can play from day one.

00:38:29 You're not trying to nab a swing-ish guy right now.

00:38:33 So, I mean, I guess it depends on the position and things like that, right?

00:38:36 But from what Taylor has read from each guy that he respects-

00:38:40 >> Andrew Zuniga, yeah.

00:38:40 >> Yeah, from everything that Taylor has grabbed from the guys he respects in

00:38:44 the space over the last ten minutes on Caden Wallace,

00:38:47 they all say he could play from day one.

00:38:48 So if he is gonna play from day one, what's the plan with Mike Unwenu?

00:38:52 That's the issue here.

00:38:53 That's what I'm trying to work through here.

00:38:56 That's what I don't know, and that's the problem.

00:38:58 >> I'm asking what the plan is with Cole Strange.

00:39:00 >> So then is it Unwenu to left guard, Cole Strange gone?

00:39:03 Is it Unwenu to right guard?

00:39:05 >> Well, City so stays at right tackle.

00:39:07 Cuz what was the best- >> Caden Wallace plays guard.

00:39:10 >> Caden Wallace is a guard.

00:39:11 >> I think he's a, my thing, cuz think about the offensive line.

00:39:14 Left tackle is choose, left guard is the biggest, and also I think,

00:39:17 I was either reported, I think someone reported today that the Patriots do think

00:39:21 they do have some question marks on the offensive line.

00:39:24 City so I don't think as much of a question mark.

00:39:26 You wanna develop him cuz he played well for you.

00:39:28 He and Unwenu were fantastic last season.

00:39:30 Who's the one big question mark on the offensive line?

00:39:33 >> Yeah, it's Cole, 100%.

00:39:35 >> Cole Strange.

00:39:36 >> Okay.

00:39:38 >> Or he's your center of the future.

00:39:39 >> Yeah, I don't know.

00:39:43 [LAUGH] >> I'd like him, dude,

00:39:46 he'd be an elite center.

00:39:47 I like him way better at center than I do at guard.

00:39:49 >> Yeah.

00:39:50 >> Yeah.

00:39:53 >> Elite, who knows?

00:39:54 Who knows?

00:39:55 Who knows?

00:39:56 So we're here.

00:39:57 The possibility that the Patriots could trade back in exists,

00:40:03 because they did move and I don't know if I have the board here fully.

00:40:09 I'll put it up when I have it.

00:40:11 But they did trade and acquire an extra fourth rounder.

00:40:14 So again, is it possible that they could get in there?

00:40:16 Sure, it is that they can move in.

00:40:19 But right now, this could be in for- >> Sorry, Mike,

00:40:23 do we know what time they're gonna do interviews?

00:40:25 Just I wanna make sure we're not missing anything.

00:40:27 >> Yeah, we have nothing from PR yet.

00:40:29 So it's just we're in wait and see mode basically.

00:40:32 >> All right, so again, just letting everybody know what we're gonna do,

00:40:35 same thing similarly with the second round.

00:40:36 We're gonna hang here for a bit.

00:40:37 We have a lot of you in here and we wanna keep the stream alive.

00:40:43 But both Mike and Taylor, they have jobs to do outside of this and

00:40:46 they're gonna have to maybe run and listen to the Patriots' newest player,

00:40:53 Caden Wallace, taking 68th overall in the NFL Draft to tackle maybe a guard.

00:40:59 And hear what he has to say when they- >> I'm sorry,

00:41:04 Ellie Wolf says that he thinks Caden Wallace completely left tackle.

00:41:08 That's important.

00:41:09 >> That's it?

00:41:11 >> Is he on unfiltered or something right now?

00:41:16 >> I think so, yeah.

00:41:19 >> He's live.

00:41:19 Wait, are we missing something?

00:41:21 I think we're missing something.

00:41:22 Yeah, we should go.

00:41:22 We should go.

00:41:23 >> Are you sure?

00:41:25 >> Yeah, I think it's because we're gonna be on the same stream.

00:41:27 Yeah, we got it.

00:41:27 >> We missed it.

00:41:28 Okay, yeah, all right.

00:41:30 >> Did he talk already?

00:41:32 >> I think he's talking right now.

00:41:34 Yeah, we'll be back.

00:41:35 >> Okay, so guys, just to let you know,

00:41:38 a video conference right now is going on with, what's his name?

00:41:47 Elliott Wolf, but we are gonna jump back on to wrap it up here.

00:41:52 Elliott Wolf talking, wrapping day two's picks,

00:41:56 which again, strange to do it so quickly after.

00:42:00 Ahmed, is that true?

00:42:01 Ahmed, are you there?

00:42:02 Are they talking right now?

00:42:03 Is the video conference now?

00:42:06 I don't know if you're in there.

00:42:09 Because I don't wanna hang up.

00:42:12 It is right now.

00:42:13 I didn't wanna shut the stream down if perhaps those guys were gonna jump back in.

00:42:17 They're not gonna jump in right now, unless I could filibuster for so long,

00:42:21 but I don't think so.

00:42:22 I think we might have to come back, guys, and shut this down and bring it back again.

00:42:26 I hate to do that to you.

00:42:27 Ahmed, how long has it been going on?

00:42:29 Give me a heads up here.

00:42:32 How long?

00:42:34 Cuz if it's not long, I might be able to hang for

00:42:38 a little bit until those guys do re-enter.

00:42:42 It just started.

00:42:46 All right, I'm gonna mess around for a little bit,

00:42:48 cuz some of the stuff we actually wanted to talk about here, we didn't quite get to.

00:42:53 Some interesting things, just as people were talking about Polk and

00:42:57 whether that was a reach, and what people said.

00:43:00 And this always happens, and it happened a ton.

00:43:02 Every time a player kind of goes higher than expected,

00:43:08 you're gonna have the initial groaning and grumbling.

00:43:10 And then you're gonna have a bunch of people coming out of the woodworks like,

00:43:12 I kinda like this guy, much, much better than the consensus.

00:43:16 And that kind of appears to be the case with some of it.

00:43:19 And so here's some of the things that people were saying here about Polk.

00:43:23 Obviously, you had Drake May, stud, let's go.

00:43:26 I mean, look, Drake May would have said that about any receiver.

00:43:28 I'm not crapping on it, but every quarterback loves it when they go and

00:43:33 get them.

00:43:34 ESPN's draft analysis from Field Yates, spent one year at Texas Tech,

00:43:40 came from the same high school as Des Bryant.

00:43:42 The guy is tough.

00:43:43 So many contested catches, so

00:43:44 many catches aren't necessarily the highlight reel type, tight areas.

00:43:49 Or when he's posting up a perimeter corner, doing things outside of his frame,

00:43:52 consistently making the difficult things look effortless.

00:43:56 Run after catch skill is fine.

00:43:59 We get it, 4-5-2, and that's the thing I know that everybody's kind of

00:44:02 circling right here.

00:44:04 He's not gonna blow you away in that regard if you're looking at a guy

00:44:07 who consistently making difficult things look easy.

00:44:09 It's Polk, wonderful game against Michigan State, great at the pro day, energy.

00:44:14 He's all in, I think he deserved to go somewhere in the second round.

00:44:18 And again, it's the somewhere in the second round that people are,

00:44:22 that we're quibbling over, because you really, value matters a ton.

00:44:26 I do think people get hung up a little bit too much on,

00:44:29 if he can play, what does it matter?

00:44:32 If he's great, it doesn't matter.

00:44:35 If he can play, also fine.

00:44:37 But if he can play and you could have got him 15 to 20 picks later,

00:44:41 then you messed up your board.

00:44:43 Because you really wanna try to maximize that value,

00:44:46 because you've only got so many picks and you have a lot of needs.

00:44:49 And I think in most of these cases, as we were saying with Mike,

00:44:52 it's not about the guy's not good at football.

00:44:55 I think the conversation gets a little bit jumbled there.

00:44:58 It's, there, is that where you wanted to take that person?

00:45:03 Okay, so be it.

00:45:05 Going on on Polk, and again, the more you read, and

00:45:07 the more people who do come in,

00:45:09 it does seem like a lot of people aren't just justifying the pick.

00:45:12 They're pretty excited about the type of player that he can be at the NFL level.

00:45:17 Robert Griffin III, who was a guest on Taylor Kyle's podcast Patriots Daily,

00:45:22 which you absolutely should subscribe to if you haven't already.

00:45:25 And again, as I said earlier, you'll be seeing a lot more of Mike Kadlik on that

00:45:29 show.

00:45:31 Jalen Polk is a jack of all trades and

00:45:33 a master of taking advantage of his opportunities.

00:45:35 He ate, ate with over 1K receiving yards.

00:45:40 Despite having Rome and Jalen Millen at Washington can play X, Z,

00:45:45 or in the slot, Patriots have a versatile wide receiver room here.

00:45:50 This was what we were talking about, Chad Graff of the athletic, the character.

00:45:54 This was a big deal, and I'm sure Elliot Wolfe's talking about it now.

00:45:57 And Amit, keep me honest here.

00:46:00 If Wolfe is wrapping up, tell those guys to jump back in if we haven't shut down

00:46:05 the stream already, and we'll continue talking.

00:46:07 But they can give us some feedback, some feedback there.

00:46:11 Thanks, buddy.

00:46:12 One reason Patriots went with Polk in the second round,

00:46:14 their valuing character in this rebuild.

00:46:16 And Washington coaches rave about him.

00:46:19 Speed is just okay, and route running is just okay.

00:46:21 But he's the kind of guy you want in the building.

00:46:26 So some stuff there.

00:46:28 What kind of went without being talked about was the athleticism here.

00:46:32 And again, you talk about the relative athletic score here.

00:46:35 It's really high for Polk.

00:46:39 It's really high, and a lot of it is the explosion.

00:46:43 The vertical is very good.

00:46:46 Broad jump, very good.

00:46:47 That's a really high metric.

00:46:49 And again, you see the speed, good, not great.

00:46:52 Size, good, not great.

00:46:54 But a person who, by all measure, plays a good bit bigger than their frame.

00:47:00 And I know Nikhil Harry was the lazy comp thrown out there simply because of

00:47:05 the speed factor, but again, obviously totally different players.

00:47:09 No question about that.

00:47:11 Harry's not at all didn't profile in any way the way Polk does here.

00:47:17 But the speed wasn't necessarily there.

00:47:19 And Harry's problem was, and again, they're not comparable.

00:47:24 Harry was a huge guy who played small.

00:47:26 Polk is a medium sized guy who plays big and he plays tough.

00:47:30 And he can use that kind of strength and that leverage and

00:47:34 he is far more athletic than just the four, five, three,

00:47:38 40 yard dash would lead you to believe.

00:47:40 He did not do quickness tests.

00:47:43 And I think that's one of the reasons why people are having a tough time

00:47:46 really determining what are you getting out of this guy and the game speed and

00:47:50 the quickness and can he jump around and can he do things in space.

00:47:55 There's some of the scouting reports say maybe no,

00:47:59 don't love necessarily what he does after the ball, but he can catch the ball,

00:48:03 contested at all three levels and

00:48:06 he has the versatility to play a lot of different places.

00:48:08 So those were among some of the things that people were saying about that.

00:48:15 And did I throw this last one in here?

00:48:18 I think I have one more.

00:48:19 And one more here on Polk before we move back to Wallace,

00:48:23 because I'll paraphrase some of the stuff Wolf is saying here.

00:48:25 Who was it here in Schrager?

00:48:27 We mentioned this and this one came up right away.

00:48:30 Peter Schrager who everybody has a lot of respect for in his ability to

00:48:35 analyze these players and these prospects.

00:48:38 NFL has been higher on poke this season.

00:48:40 This entire draft process patriots got themselves a good one.

00:48:46 I had poke going first round of my mock draft.

00:48:48 Elliot Wolf has ended so I think I'm gonna get those guys back which means we're not

00:48:51 shutting it down, which is cool.

00:48:53 I think I have Mike back already and Mike,

00:48:57 I was just going over some of the stuff recording poke while Wolf was talking.

00:49:01 But I know as he was going and it was feeding me some of this stuff.

00:49:05 We were getting some decent bites and I know some of them were and

00:49:10 we'll cut some of that up and we'll play it for you.

00:49:12 But the Patriots draft Wallace,

00:49:13 what are some of the things that Wolf said here regarding Wallace and does it?

00:49:17 I mean, again, obviously they made the pick, they're gonna defend the pick.

00:49:20 But what are some things there that might have kind of changed your perspective

00:49:23 a little bit?

00:49:24 >> Yeah, so Wolf just finished up, we'll be hopping off or

00:49:27 I'll be hopping off.

00:49:27 I'm not sure if table will come back, but

00:49:29 we're gonna talk to Caden Wallace in a few minutes.

00:49:31 But- >> That's what I figured, yeah.

00:49:32 >> You guys were still streaming, so

00:49:33 I wanted to give some context of Caden Wallace pick like you just mentioned.

00:49:36 So, Elliot Wolf sounds fully convinced that Caden Wallace can play left tackle.

00:49:42 He says he has the athleticism to do it.

00:49:44 Now granted, he hasn't played there in his collegiate career.

00:49:48 But Wolf explained that that was because Oluf Ushano,

00:49:52 who was the 11th overall pick to the Jets,

00:49:54 was Penn State's left tackle for the last several years.

00:49:57 So that seems like their plan.

00:50:00 So when we sat here, I was drafting up a tweet to talk about what me and

00:50:05 Taylor had sort of explained or worked out as the Patriots plan considering

00:50:09 there was all this buzz about Mike Owen who just signed and

00:50:12 what the hell are they doing with Caden Wallace?

00:50:14 But it sounds like the plan is to work him as a left tackle.

00:50:17 So call it left tackle Caden Wallace, left guard Cole Strange.

00:50:22 I don't know, center David Andrews, but

00:50:24 it's not gonna affect Mike Owen who's standing on the right side.

00:50:27 >> We said all these mean things about Cole Strange.

00:50:29 What if they weren't true?

00:50:30 >> We said all these mean things about Cole Strange.

00:50:32 We're like, why the bleep did you pick Caden Wallace in 68?

00:50:35 But the other thing he did say too is that- >> No,

00:50:37 just now to justify the Wallace pick, it must be they must hate Strange.

00:50:40 >> Yeah, right.

00:50:41 So the other thing he did say is that they considered moving back from 68 to take.

00:50:47 Consider moving back at 68 to grab some capital.

00:50:52 But they had their eyes on Caden Wallace all along, according to Elliot Wolfe.

00:50:56 So they figured, let's just sit here and take him.

00:50:58 So he seems excited about their haul, saying that they had Polk at 34.

00:51:05 They had their eyes on Polk at 34 and they had their eyes at Caden Wallace at 68 and

00:51:08 they were able to land both guys.

00:51:09 So in terms of in their eyes, it's a win.

00:51:13 >> So again, every team says this, it doesn't mean it's not true.

00:51:18 >> Sure. >> But

00:51:19 I know some people are doing Packers comps here.

00:51:21 In terms of it again, I think a lot of people are just assuming that Elliot Wolfe

00:51:26 is a carbon copy of his father, is gonna do things exactly the same way.

00:51:30 But in terms of how they view things and what they value,

00:51:33 certainly you can see there being some similarities.

00:51:36 In approach, a lot of people are citing different Green Bay sorts of drafts.

00:51:42 I know when Polk got drafted, people talked about Jordy Nelson as being someone

00:51:46 who did not jump off the page with his physical profile and

00:51:49 ended up being a terrific receiver, terrific downfield receiver,

00:51:54 even though he didn't have burner speed.

00:51:56 And a contested catch and a very, very productive, prolific receiver.

00:52:00 Not comparing the two in terms of what they're able to do skill set wise, but

00:52:04 also was they saw something that they liked there.

00:52:07 >> Sure.

00:52:08 >> In this case, you do wanna believe that they love the players.

00:52:16 >> Of course.

00:52:17 >> And that they had them targeted all along.

00:52:19 What we don't know is, as we said, is it's a brand new regime.

00:52:22 You don't know whether to trust them.

00:52:23 For all of these years up until maybe the last three or four,

00:52:27 you had to just do the in Belichick we trust thing.

00:52:29 Because despite the fact that you think this stream is bad with a little bit

00:52:33 of disappointment, dude, while the Patriots are winning Super Bowls,

00:52:37 Belichick would draft and people be like, who the is that guy?

00:52:42 >> Yeah, right, exactly.

00:52:42 >> And then they had to stop because they kept winning and winning and winning.

00:52:47 And it seemed to be like total disregard for what other people thought or

00:52:51 placement or trade value or what else that could have been gotten or

00:52:54 positional needs.

00:52:56 And it ended up being right.

00:52:58 But the point was, he saw what he liked, he went and he got it.

00:53:01 So at this point, they've identified needs, quarterback, receiver, tackle.

00:53:06 If they came away with a starting left tackle, a number two receiver and

00:53:12 a quarterback, you'll feel good about it.

00:53:14 Again, it's the reachiness of it,

00:53:16 not sure whether or not those were necessarily the players.

00:53:19 But why sit here, Mike, and again, playing devil's advocate here,

00:53:23 why should you and I sit here and say trade up for that guy?

00:53:26 Because he was ranked higher on a board if in their estimation,

00:53:29 the guy that they got was better anyway.

00:53:31 And if that appears to be the case here, you have to at least trust the process.

00:53:35 Whether or not it works, we're not gonna know for a year, two years, three years.

00:53:40 In some cases, you know a little early, you see some glimpses,

00:53:44 they got something here or, this, I don't know what they were,

00:53:48 I don't know what we're doing, so we'll see, we'll see.

00:53:53 >> Yeah, some board manipulation, if you will, from Elliott Wolfe as well.

00:54:01 He explained that, and again, taking it for a grain of salt because like you said,

00:54:04 we don't know what the truth, where the truth lies.

00:54:07 If these guys were actually their guys all along, right?

00:54:09 But because again, we heard all the key on Coleman buzz at 33, or

00:54:13 the fact that the Patriots wanted him at 34 rather.

00:54:16 Wolfe explained that they were prepared to take Jalen Polk at 34, but

00:54:21 according to the intel they had, knew that they could get him at 37.

00:54:25 And so they were able to trade back and

00:54:27 then move up 20 something spots later and pick up a fourth.

00:54:31 >> Are you saying in that report, Coleman was their guy and

00:54:35 when they didn't get him, they moved or no?

00:54:39 >> No, according to Wolfe, again, Wolfe said that Polk was their guy at 34.

00:54:45 And that they were comfortable taking Polk at 34.

00:54:49 Again, who knows if that changed, right?

00:54:51 Who knows if that changed when Coleman went off the board?

00:54:54 Again, that's what we really don't know.

00:54:55 But he did at least explain that they would have taken Jalen Polk at 34, but

00:54:59 they had enough intel on the board to know that he would last till 37, so.

00:55:03 >> I love, I always wonder how they get that intel.

00:55:06 Who's telling them?

00:55:07 >> I know, it is wild to me.

00:55:10 There's three or four spots in between 34 and 37.

00:55:16 And again, you also don't know what teams are gonna trade up,

00:55:19 you don't know who's not gonna trade up.

00:55:20 So it's interesting as far as not only how they get the intel and

00:55:26 what other general managers and front office members are willing to say.

00:55:32 But also knowing who to believe and who not to believe.

00:55:35 Cuz they could be throwing you a curveball just to throw you off a different scent,

00:55:40 and you obviously have no idea.

00:55:42 So, but yeah, again, they get Polk, they get Caden Wallace, and

00:55:46 we have our first three picks of the NFL draft for the Patriots.

00:55:50 >> Yeah, Ahmed has insight into whether Taylor is returning.

00:55:54 So Ahmed, tell me if Taylor's jumping back.

00:55:56 We are now waiting for, Elliot talked again after this pick,

00:56:00 which again surprised us cuz there's always that possibility they jump back in.

00:56:05 But Elliot Wolfe has spoken.

00:56:06 We'll get some sound here on the air so

00:56:09 you guys can hear from the Patriots de facto GM.

00:56:12 Taylor Kyles is, what's he doing up there?

00:56:18 What do you think he's doing?

00:56:19 He may jump back in Ahmed again, let me know if Taylor's joining us or not.

00:56:26 And obviously give us a notification if Caden Wallace is gonna speak because we do

00:56:31 wanna get him there too.

00:56:33 I think Taylor is popping, he's back.

00:56:35 >> There he is. >> What's up, buddy?

00:56:36 >> So I found something interesting.

00:56:40 >> Did you?

00:56:40 >> Caden Wallace's closest athletic comp at offensive tackle was Kingsley Suamataiya.

00:56:49 So the difference is, Suamataiya, I looked at their spider charts.

00:56:54 Both are on the shorter side.

00:56:55 They both have really big hands and they excelled in the broad jump,

00:56:57 which pretty much measures explosiveness, which is obviously very important in left

00:57:01 tackle. >> Elite explosive grade, Taylor.

00:57:03 I've got it on the screen.

00:57:05 >> Perfect.

00:57:06 Their arm length is just okay.

00:57:08 And Wallace is lighter and he recorded a better vertical.

00:57:11 So again, that's the explosiveness.

00:57:13 So if they think he can play, the third round thing for me,

00:57:17 like we were talking about character and all the off field stuff with Jalen Polk.

00:57:20 I'm not justifying a third round grade.

00:57:22 I'm still not sure I need to watch the tape on him.

00:57:25 But I will say if he can play all five positions on the offensive line,

00:57:29 that's pretty huge value.

00:57:31 They don't have anybody on the team right now who can play every position on

00:57:34 the offensive line, even Mike and Wenu.

00:57:35 So I would say that, I mean, I know people say that, but

00:57:38 I don't think he should play left tackle or center unless he can snap.

00:57:41 I don't know if he can.

00:57:43 So just adding more context to that.

00:57:45 Also the fact that they liked him and were thinking about trading out,

00:57:48 we're like, why don't we just stay?

00:57:49 Assuming that's honest, clearly they saw something they liked.

00:57:53 And I'm not going against Scott Peters until he gives me a reason to.

00:57:57 We know that they're involved in these conversations.

00:58:00 So yeah, they said he comes from a great family.

00:58:04 He's a pretty even keel guy until he gets on the field, which is a demeanor you

00:58:08 kind of like in your guy offensive lineman.

00:58:11 So it gives us a better idea of what kind of prospect he is.

00:58:15 Again, I need to watch the film to actually feel comfortable in this pick and

00:58:19 maybe still you could argue they reached.

00:58:21 But again, the five position versatility is what really jumps out to me because

00:58:25 that's something they don't have right now on the team.

00:58:27 >> So have we changed our thinking based on listening to Elliot Wolfe in terms of

00:58:31 where he plays because we had already cut Cole Strange and Moffie.

00:58:36 And now you're thinking- >> We've cut Cole Strange five minutes

00:58:41 before.

00:58:41 >> I still don't think Moffie's a great finger.

00:58:44 They usually use athletic guards.

00:58:45 Cole Strange is- >> Would you like to apologize to Cole

00:58:48 Strange who caught some- >> Cole's my boy,

00:58:51 he knows I ride with him.

00:58:52 >> Cole caught a few strays.

00:58:54 We were emotional.

00:58:55 We apologize, Taylor and Mike.

00:58:57 We're just lashing out.

00:58:58 They didn't mean any of it.

00:58:59 But- >> You're saying it's mean?

00:59:01 [LAUGH]

00:59:03 >> It's like they must hate Cole Strange because he sucks.

00:59:06 You guys basically both said that.

00:59:07 >> I didn't say he sucks.

00:59:08 I have never said he sucks.

00:59:08 >> You kinda did, kinda did.

00:59:09 >> I'm the one who always goes to bat for Cole Strange.

00:59:12 With him, it's more about injuries to me and

00:59:14 whether they think he'll be available.

00:59:15 That's my thing with Cole.

00:59:17 >> Here's where we are right now, resetting the board, and

00:59:20 we'll let Taylor keep going.

00:59:23 Drake May, as we know, number one, Polk, Caden Wallace, and then 103 and 110.

00:59:33 We are currently at pick 78.

00:59:35 You probably gotta package both of those things.

00:59:37 You wanna move back into the third round.

00:59:38 I don't think that that's something- >> [CROSSTALK]

00:59:40 >> You gotta go.

00:59:41 >> Momentarily.

00:59:42 >> Yeah.

00:59:42 >> Are you going?

00:59:43 >> Yes, to get on the stage.

00:59:45 >> All right, you can mute it now that we know it's coming.

00:59:48 You don't have to listen to it.

00:59:49 >> I can sync my screen with it.

00:59:50 >> There you go, Taylor, good stuff.

00:59:53 That's PR.

00:59:54 Caden Wallace is going.

00:59:57 I'll hang for a little bit too.

00:59:59 I'll see if I can get these guys back in.

01:00:01 I'll see if I can get them back in.

01:00:02 No, we're being hacked.

01:00:04 We're under attack.

01:00:05 [LAUGH] I'll wait here.

01:00:08 Amit, let me know if you can throw some wolf sound on here for me.

01:00:14 And we'll play some of that.

01:00:18 Yeah.

01:00:21 Sorry, one second.

01:00:24 I have to communicate via text.

01:00:28 As we said, 103, 110, coming up in the fourth round.

01:00:34 We are at pick 78 right here.

01:00:36 Chances of them coming back in again are small.

01:00:38 There's still some guys a lot of people liked here.

01:00:41 Which again, you always wonder how far certain fall.

01:00:43 A lot of people really wanted to see Troy Franklin.

01:00:45 Not really doing it for a lot of people right now.

01:00:51 He's still hanging out there.

01:00:54 Definitely a couple of names that I know Taylor and Mike liked.

01:01:04 People asking questions here.

01:01:05 Do I buy what Elliot Wolfe is saying?

01:01:08 Here's what I say.

01:01:09 There's never been a GM in the history of GMing in any sport

01:01:13 who's ever said anything other than we like the players we got.

01:01:16 We targeted this person.

01:01:17 We scouted them.

01:01:18 We think we got good value.

01:01:20 That means nothing to me.

01:01:24 Means nothing to me.

01:01:25 But seeing what some other people have said, particularly regarding

01:01:30 some things about Wallace and whether or not he could play on the left side.

01:01:37 There's been enough out there on Twitter that's basically saying,

01:01:41 Olufesano is the only reason he didn't play left tackle.

01:01:43 And Wolfe said that, but he's not the only one.

01:01:47 I think there's other people out there who believe that.

01:01:51 And if that's the case, that is a little bit different because that's more diamond

01:01:56 in the rough sort of stuff, which you do like there.

01:01:59 Whether or not he could have played left versus right, you have a couple people

01:02:04 out there flat out saying that he's as good or better as a player who went

01:02:09 left in the first round, that would be interesting if that's the case.

01:02:13 And another thing I'll say with this, and this isn't devil's advocate.

01:02:17 I'm not trying to twist myself into pretzels here, trying to go back on it.

01:02:20 It's just simply an acknowledgement of we know we don't know.

01:02:24 We know we don't know.

01:02:27 Everyone knows they don't know.

01:02:28 You have your opinions.

01:02:30 And as I said, Taylor looks at a lot of stuff and

01:02:34 he really understands things deeply.

01:02:37 But so do a lot of other people out there and

01:02:40 you really don't know until they get out there.

01:02:41 But in the history of the Patriots, where have they hit the most?

01:02:46 And I know you had Dante Skarniecki in there advising and

01:02:50 he was the O-line wizard, but where are you hitting?

01:02:54 Shaq Mason third round, Joe Tooney fourth round, Michael Ongwenu fifth round.

01:03:00 All of those spots, you're not just getting, and yes,

01:03:03 Cole Strange was asked, that's fine, he's fine.

01:03:07 But they hit a lot of places up until very recently.

01:03:12 They hit a lot of places with those linemen that were not only good,

01:03:17 they were great, they're pro bowlers, they're all pros.

01:03:20 And so that's a position where I think it's not to say that the Patriots

01:03:25 have the secret sauce, but where you do see greatness come out of different places.

01:03:30 It's not always, I feel like left tackle,

01:03:33 true left tackle is really the only place you gotta swing big early.

01:03:38 But a lot of other places you can find people different spots.

01:03:42 The question is, is he a good player or is he a good left tackle?

01:03:47 Do the Patriots think that that's it?

01:03:49 Got our starting left tackle, we got Ongwenu on the right and we're set?

01:03:53 I don't know.

01:03:54 I think that's probably a bit of a reach.

01:03:58 It's probably a bit hopeful and I'm not sure.

01:04:05 So to answer the question in a roundabout sort of way,

01:04:09 I believe they believe it's possible.

01:04:13 So much of this is aspirational, right?

01:04:16 You're drafting people with a projection and

01:04:21 that projection is always best case.

01:04:26 It's not, I don't know.

01:04:30 My philosophy with all of this stuff, generally speaking, and

01:04:33 honestly this goes all the way back to Drake May.

01:04:35 I thought Drake May was absolutely the right pick,

01:04:38 because the Patriots had to take a swing there.

01:04:40 I don't know that I love everything about Drake May as the player.

01:04:43 I like unless rather than if, if that makes sense.

01:04:49 Which is, I'd rather a player be like, they're going to be great,

01:04:54 because they can do X, Y, and Z unless something unforeseen happens.

01:04:58 As opposed to they're gonna be great if they can improve footwork,

01:05:02 the mechanics, this, that, they blah, blah, blah.

01:05:04 They can improve their technique, they can this and that.

01:05:07 Feels like they've drafted a few if players and

01:05:09 again, nothing is a certainty anywhere and there's no such thing as a can't miss.

01:05:13 There isn't.

01:05:14 A can't miss is a 70%er for the most part.

01:05:17 There's no can't and that's early in the draft.

01:05:19 There's no can't miss.

01:05:22 Some players you think are destined for greatness are mid, some players are bad.

01:05:27 They're just, they're not that great at all.

01:05:30 So you don't know, but I feel like in a lot of these cases,

01:05:33 it's, it's, it, you're hoping that they are where you want them to be.

01:05:38 Going in here, and again, this was from Louis Riddick from ESPN.

01:05:44 His reaction instantly, I think on the broadcast to Caden Wallace, this is my guy.

01:05:49 I like a whole lot of things about this player.

01:05:51 I'm gonna struggle to say anything bad about him.

01:05:53 I thought his tape was as good as his much more heralded left tackle in Olufesanu.

01:05:59 This guy is another solid pick.

01:06:01 So take it for what it's worth.

01:06:04 This is another person out there saying, yeah, he might have gotten,

01:06:10 you might have lost sight of him behind a more heralded player who had

01:06:15 a first round draft grade and was projected as a first round draft pick.

01:06:21 Pretty much all season long in Olufesanu.

01:06:23 And maybe that's what happened here, so I'm not really sure.

01:06:26 Again, trying to fill a little time here on our draft special because

01:06:30 leaving right now I just feel would be the wrong thing to do.

01:06:33 So we're gonna hang out here while Caden Wallace talks and

01:06:36 Amit keep me updated on everything.

01:06:38 If he's talking, how long he's been going, has he started yet?

01:06:41 Just cuz I have no visibility into it right now and

01:06:44 I need to know what's going on to see if we can keep this thing going and

01:06:48 maybe we can grab Mike and Taylor and get them back on the show.

01:06:51 In the meantime, answer a couple of questions.

01:06:52 T Higgins in play?

01:06:54 I don't think so.

01:06:55 I don't think that that's happening.

01:06:57 I think T Higgins wanted out.

01:06:58 I don't believe a fourth round pick is what they're shuffling him off for.

01:07:02 I also don't know that T Higgins is the guy you wanna throw the bag at.

01:07:05 I think this is bad timing for a T Higgins.

01:07:08 You're coming off of massive contracts being given to better players.

01:07:13 And you know how NFL contracts work.

01:07:17 It's not always about how good you are.

01:07:20 It's at what point you sign it.

01:07:22 Everyone just wants top of market.

01:07:23 So if that guy got 27, I want 27.

01:07:26 That guy got 32, I want 32.

01:07:28 I don't love the idea of bringing in a disgruntled guy here and

01:07:32 throwing $30 million when I think he projects is more of a two.

01:07:36 I think that was some people's issue with Ridley as well,

01:07:39 even though Ridley has a little bit more juice to get downfield.

01:07:42 I don't think Higgins is that guy.

01:07:44 I don't think Higgins is deserving of that contract.

01:07:46 I think Higgins is gonna get paid somewhere.

01:07:49 I don't think that's your swing.

01:07:51 So I'm hoping that's not what the Patriots do.

01:07:54 I also don't think that they necessarily wanna take a fourth.

01:07:57 However, what is interesting is Debo is interesting to me.

01:08:02 I don't know what the price is there with Debo.

01:08:07 I don't know what the 49ers think.

01:08:09 I don't know if they've decided that they absolutely need him to go because

01:08:13 they're afraid to, Wallace just started I'm being told, okay.

01:08:18 So Wallace started, we'll get a little bit of Wolf sound in a minute on Wolf and

01:08:24 we'll hear him talking about, not Polk, you mean Wallace, right?

01:08:30 Wolf on Wallace, yeah.

01:08:32 We'll hear a little sound.

01:08:35 Wallace is talking to reporters now and I'll try to hang on here for

01:08:39 as long as we go.

01:08:40 But again, I'm not sure.

01:08:41 I know people are saying big reach, big reach.

01:08:45 Maybe offensive linemen are different.

01:08:47 They can oftentimes kind of just come in and play.

01:08:50 You see what you get here.

01:08:51 But as people are kind of guessing here,

01:08:57 looks like the Patriots are very much drafting their board.

01:09:01 I don't like saying this cuz I don't know if it's true.

01:09:11 I think this is true everywhere.

01:09:14 I think there are a lot of teams that value players that are way lower on other

01:09:19 teams' boards.

01:09:20 It really is a crap shoot at this point in time.

01:09:27 And you could run into a situation where two strong evaluating

01:09:33 franchises might have a guy 50 slots apart.

01:09:38 It's not crazy.

01:09:40 And we've talked to people, and in my time at NBC,

01:09:43 we had a lot of people in there who would come in, who were really on the inside of

01:09:47 some of this stuff and talked about the draft process and the boards there.

01:09:51 And just saying, there are guys who some people picked in the second round that we

01:09:55 didn't have a fifth round grade on, and vice versa, I'm sure.

01:09:58 So again, everyone's a little bit different.

01:10:01 You have to read the board so you can get value, but

01:10:08 everybody's different in terms of how they rate everyone.

01:10:13 Mike Larry, I do agree with this.

01:10:15 Do you really have two first names in there, Mike Larry?

01:10:17 There's no way that's an actual name.

01:10:20 Stop converting guys, get a true left tackle.

01:10:24 This is the same problem with Polk, right?

01:10:26 I think the drag on Polk was that he's not a six foot three true X receiver with

01:10:34 four, three, five speed who can play the outside and

01:10:36 win contested catches and be a red zone threat.

01:10:40 Yeah, if he was that guy, he would be starting.

01:10:43 When you're drafting later, you're getting guys who aren't necessarily that guy.

01:10:49 Might be a little bit smaller, might have to play a little bit more slot.

01:10:52 Might be some positional redundancy with some of the things that you have.

01:10:56 There's a reason why tackle is and has always been a premium position in the NFL,

01:11:03 because it's hard to find good true left tackles.

01:11:08 There's only one per team, it's like quarterback, I mean, you need it, right?

01:11:12 You got multiple receivers on the team.

01:11:13 You can be drafted and be the two or the three receiver and

01:11:15 make massive contributions.

01:11:17 If you're gonna hold down the left side on a team, you gotta be solid.

01:11:20 And that's why it is a premium position protecting the blind side of

01:11:24 quarterbacks over there.

01:11:25 And yes, that's why you have to spend usually high draft capital at the position.

01:11:31 You've also got a dearth of good offensive linemen coming out of

01:11:34 the college program these days.

01:11:36 So just finding them period is hard.

01:11:38 If you're grabbing guys this late, and again,

01:11:42 late, if you're grabbing a tackle in the third round,

01:11:46 if you truly got a guy who plays right but you believe is left and

01:11:51 was just miscast simply because he had someone in front of him who played

01:11:56 left slightly better or at least the program believed so, then yes,

01:12:02 that's a good pick if that's the case, if he actually can play the left side.

01:12:06 But realistically, at this point in the draft, you're getting kinda combo tackle

01:12:10 guard players, guys who are more right tackle, E, who have limitations,

01:12:15 things like short arms, might be slightly undersized or might not have the feet or

01:12:20 the athleticism necessarily to play the left side, it's a bit of a stretch for them.

01:12:23 That's always what you're finding here.

01:12:24 If they have all of those tools, they're first round picks.

01:12:27 So while I agree with this sentiment, you want the true left tackle,

01:12:30 you probably gotta take them in the first or

01:12:32 trade back up into the first to get them into the second.

01:12:34 I understand this, we don't know the will miss, we don't know, you don't know.

01:12:42 We're not necessarily sure.

01:12:45 I also wanna point out that while people are saying Drake May is screwed here,

01:12:50 and these types of comments, two things.

01:12:55 He doesn't have to play, I mean, I got two wolf sound bites here,

01:13:00 just tell me which ones they are.

01:13:01 Okay, Polk and Wallace, I'm gonna play a little bit of for

01:13:05 Melliot Wolf in a minute on the two draft picks.

01:13:08 You wanna lose, right?

01:13:12 But you wanna see that there's hope and promise of better days to come.

01:13:18 You're not putting Drake May in there to get killed.

01:13:21 If there's any concern about the offensive line not being able to hold its own,

01:13:25 I'm sorry, but Jacoby Brissett's gonna get killed.

01:13:28 If the offensive line, if you're waiting for it to get into rhythm and

01:13:33 to see who's playing where and

01:13:34 whether they can play in the positions where you're putting them.

01:13:37 Yeah, you're not putting your rookie behind those guys,

01:13:41 you're not because you're not in win now mode.

01:13:44 You're actually in lose now mode, but

01:13:46 hopefully fans see that there's brighter days ahead and that's what you want.

01:13:50 I used this comp on day one, 1993 when the Patriots,

01:13:55 that's the last time they picked this high in the draft.

01:13:57 And the last time they took a quarterback obviously this high,

01:14:01 cuz they didn't need to after that with Brady, is Drew Bledsoe, 1993,

01:14:06 first overall pick.

01:14:08 And he didn't start and who started in front of him sucked.

01:14:14 And the quarterback, the darkness that preceded Drew Bledsoe was

01:14:20 like nothing you've ever seen.

01:14:22 Tommy Hodson, Matt Millen, Scott Seacules, just bad, bad, bad stuff.

01:14:29 And they were bad, but Drew came in late in the year.

01:14:34 I think they ran off four or five straight to finish the season.

01:14:37 Little bit of promise, they had missed the playoffs, so there was no pressure.

01:14:40 You just wanna see if the guy could play.

01:14:42 He was a little bit raw, but he went out there and he would sling it.

01:14:44 He didn't have great receivers, he's throwing to like Crittenden and

01:14:49 just lesser guys, didn't have the weapons, didn't have anything.

01:14:52 They tank, they go in the next year, pick number four, Willie McGinnis.

01:14:58 They keep going, they keep going, and that's how it goes.

01:15:02 I think that's what you're getting with Drake May here.

01:15:05 I don't think you're throwing him into the mix.

01:15:07 While we're talking about Wallace, let's hear Elliot Wolfe talking about Wallace.

01:15:11 And this is the thing that we mentioned on the show about him

01:15:15 potentially playing on the left side.

01:15:18 With taking Caden, he's a guy who played his whole college career on

01:15:23 the right side, and you also have the big extension from Mike on one knee.

01:15:27 That's two guys who have spent a lot of time on the right side.

01:15:31 Is the team looking at either one of those guys at flipping over to the left

01:15:34 side down the road?

01:15:35 >> Yeah, we feel like Caden has the athleticism to play over on the left side.

01:15:40 Really, his teammate, Oluf Ashanu, that the Jets drafted,

01:15:45 was the reason that he played on the right.

01:15:47 So athletically, there's no reason why he couldn't make the switch over there.

01:15:52 He's a really smart, dedicated kid that we feel like can handle that.

01:15:56 >> There he is, that was Elliot Wolfe on Wallace,

01:16:05 potentially playing the left side, which we had said.

01:16:07 In terms of Polk, again, these guys kind of paraphrased it there a little bit

01:16:11 about him being the guy they wanted.

01:16:13 Now he said at 34, so there's question whether or

01:16:19 not they wanted Coleman.

01:16:22 And when it came to 34, that's what they wanted, or

01:16:25 they always wanted him entering the day.

01:16:27 Here's Wolfe on Polk.

01:16:29 >> Yeah, so we felt like Polk was the player that we were gonna pick at 34.

01:16:36 And we felt based on some of the intel that we had from other teams that

01:16:40 we would be able to trade back a little bit and still get him.

01:16:43 So we made that deal and

01:16:45 were able to move up from the fifth to the fourth with the Chargers.

01:16:49 And then your point about the run of tackles is a good one.

01:16:52 That's part of the reason we decided not to move back.

01:16:55 It was just kind of like, well, let's not chance it.

01:16:57 This is the player we had targeted all along anyway, let's just pick him.

01:17:00 >> There it is, why chance it?

01:17:05 And again, just in terms of philosophy, whether again, you like the players or

01:17:10 not, the philosophy of we like the guy, I don't wanna mess around.

01:17:15 When you trade down oftentimes and when Belichick would trade down,

01:17:18 so much of the vibe was like, as we said,

01:17:23 it's like almost a negative vibe, a negative connotation.

01:17:26 Like I don't like any of these guys or

01:17:28 I don't like any guy any better than any of the next guy.

01:17:32 I don't care if when it comes to me, what's remaining is a safety or

01:17:37 a guard or a receiver or a tight end or a punter.

01:17:41 If he's next on my board, all those guys I have about the same grade,

01:17:46 I'll take one of them and I'll figure it out.

01:17:48 That's how Belichick drafted, it was a little bit infuriating for some people.

01:17:51 But you felt like he really liked very few things and

01:17:54 Belichick would trade up from time to time.

01:17:57 But the trade down felt like the standard move.

01:18:03 So you trade down here from 34 to 37, great, they had the intel.

01:18:09 So they say that no one was gonna go, but they didn't wanna mess around anymore.

01:18:13 Which means they liked Polk considerably better than the guys they passed up by

01:18:18 trading down and anybody who was left behind him at that point.

01:18:22 So take that for what it's worth.

01:18:25 That's what we have regarding the Patriots interest.

01:18:30 And again, every GM is gonna say this, but

01:18:34 Elliot Wolf very much seems to like what they have done here.

01:18:38 We are currently at pick 84, and it's the Steelers here.

01:18:46 I think it, where do we end?

01:18:48 Do we end it?

01:18:50 No, we got a little ways to go.

01:18:51 We got a little ways to go.

01:18:52 And again, always possible Patriots trade back in, as of now not.

01:18:56 We are still hanging out a little bit.

01:18:57 Taylor's gonna jump back on with me in a little bit to talk a little bit.

01:19:04 Mike is doing some writing.

01:19:05 And we are gonna try to keep the stream going a little bit just in case

01:19:10 the Patriots do anything and jump back in.

01:19:14 We wanna be here to be able to talk about it as well.

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01:20:42 Don't say that, DJ, really?

01:20:44 Is Franklin still out there?

01:20:48 He is.

01:20:49 He is still out there.

01:20:50 And Baker's still out there, right?

01:20:55 Hmm, interesting.

01:21:00 That is interesting.

01:21:03 Brown's picking at 85 here again.

01:21:06 17 picks away.

01:21:07 You can make a move here if there's someone you like.

01:21:11 Wouldn't it be great, D-Tackle?

01:21:13 Nope, yeah, no, that's not it.

01:21:15 That's not who went.

01:21:17 If you want, they could make a move here to jump up into that third round.

01:21:28 Right now, as we said, it's 85.

01:21:30 They're at 103 and 110.

01:21:31 Yeah, totally possible that they could do that and get another player.

01:21:37 I'll ask the chat right now, who's trickled down that you guys still like?

01:21:40 I know Franklin is somebody that everybody has been super into.

01:21:44 Anybody have any other thoughts on a player you'd like to see them do?

01:21:52 And again, you still gotta give up some capital to jump up 17 slots, but

01:21:56 you start getting into the 90s, you could get there.

01:22:00 You could get there.

01:22:01 You could potentially get there.

01:22:06 Any thoughts?

01:22:06 Sanders?

01:22:10 Jatavian Sanders.

01:22:13 Baker's still there.

01:22:14 Did Tez Walker go?

01:22:15 I thought Tez Walker went.

01:22:16 No, he didn't.

01:22:24 Tez Walker is someone, we will point out,

01:22:27 that Taylor said he would be very unhappy with, but that was earlier.

01:22:33 Would he be unhappy with him now?

01:22:36 I don't know.

01:22:37 If he jumps back on, I'll let you know.

01:22:38 He is supposed to be coming in a little bit, and

01:22:41 I'll just kind of filibuster a little bit longer until Taylor gets here.

01:22:45 Mike Kadlik may jump in also.

01:22:47 He's gonna write some stuff around what we just heard from

01:22:53 Jaden Wallace, the Patriots' third round draft pick.

01:22:56 Third selection, second on day two.

01:22:59 What's up, Mike?

01:23:00 Jaden Wallace, anything you got?

01:23:02 And Bobby's still here, and he is ready for Luke's return.

01:23:05 I am- >> Hey, Bob.

01:23:05 >> I'm glad to see it.

01:23:07 What's going on, Mike?

01:23:08 >> Why don't we have Bobby on Draft Central?

01:23:09 Do a little crossover.

01:23:10 >> You know who likes draft stuff and just wants to be invited?

01:23:14 I'm surprised isn't in here trolling me right now is Jimmy Toscano.

01:23:18 He's covered some Patriots in his day.

01:23:20 When we were at NBC, we covered the Seahawks Super Bowl together.

01:23:23 >> Yeah.

01:23:25 >> And down in Arizona, that was a ton of fun.

01:23:27 That was like Jimmy's first field trip.

01:23:30 He would cover local stuff all the time, but

01:23:34 I think that was the first time we went out and he was down there with the digital

01:23:37 team, which at the time was Phil Perry, because Phil wasn't an insider.

01:23:43 It was really more Mike and Tom who were doing the work.

01:23:45 And Jimmy and Phil are in the back doing all the dirty work.

01:23:48 They're doing the Catholic work, right?

01:23:50 They're grinding, they're turning stuff out.

01:23:52 And Jimmy was great, that was awesome.

01:23:54 Yeah, Bobby's packing for Miami.

01:23:56 He's off there.

01:23:57 >> Right.

01:23:57 >> You should know that we do have a Garden Report after the game tomorrow.

01:24:01 Bobby Manning and Josue Pavon.

01:24:03 Don, those guys don't miss a trip to Miami, I'll tell you that.

01:24:06 When the schedule comes out, Mike, all I get is Bobby sends me a text about

01:24:11 every trip that involves going to Miami.

01:24:14 And then he texts me every four days to see whether I've approved it,

01:24:17 because Bobby loves him some Miami.

01:24:21 >> That's awesome, I'm surprised Ahmet's not on board, not on the-

01:24:24 >> You know, we needed him here.

01:24:26 >> Yeah, different beast on draft weekend.

01:24:29 >> I grounded him, I grounded him.

01:24:31 If it was a different time, I would have sent Ahmet too, but we grounded him.

01:24:35 And Ahmet's down to Miami, I hate Miami, I'm not a Miami guy.

01:24:41 Anyway, you jumped out of Wallace here, any thoughts from him?

01:24:46 >> I mean, all these, we talk about the character class and

01:24:50 how they're trying to rebuild a regime here.

01:24:52 These are just good people.

01:24:54 Sometimes when you get on a call with a guy, and I'm obviously not gonna single

01:24:59 anybody out here, but sometimes it's just like, maybe they're not a people person,

01:25:03 maybe they don't- >> Are we trying to be nice to a Mac again?

01:25:07 >> [LAUGH] Some people just kind of rub you the wrong way, right?

01:25:12 Like the three guys they've drafted so far have been like stand up,

01:25:15 good people that are just like an easy conversation.

01:25:18 And again, that doesn't translate to the football field.

01:25:22 I'm not gonna sit here and say it does, but you can tell that they are clearly

01:25:25 weighing the character of these guys in their draft evaluation.

01:25:29 And I don't think we mentioned it after our Wolf conversation, but

01:25:34 Elliot Wolf told us that Caden Wallace's brother is an oyster scientist, for

01:25:40 what that's worth.

01:25:40 And so then somebody asked him, Keegan Stifle from Ness, and asked him about it.

01:25:45 And he actually pulled his brother in, and

01:25:46 his brother told us all about being an oyster scientist.

01:25:49 And again, this is filler conversation that you guys probably don't care about,

01:25:54 but it goes to show that Caden Wallace is a pretty cool family.

01:25:57 So he told us about Wallace and what's going on with,

01:25:59 what his brother's like and everything like that.

01:26:02 So long story short, another character pick as well as a guy who is confident

01:26:08 that he can step up and play left tackle,

01:26:11 said he can play every position on the offensive line.

01:26:16 So- >> Can I make a terrifying cross sport

01:26:21 comp?

01:26:23 >> Of course.

01:26:23 >> After the stank of Kyrie Irving season with the Celtics,

01:26:28 everything about the press conference and Brad and Danny and

01:26:34 everything they were talking about was character, character,

01:26:38 character when they brought in all of their draft picks from that year.

01:26:42 Those draft picks were Romeo Langford, Grant Williams, Carson Edwards,

01:26:47 and Tremont Waters.

01:26:48 And everybody left there saying, the character of these people.

01:26:53 That was the vibe, Bobby Manning who's in the stream will remember it,

01:26:58 cuz he was there with me.

01:26:59 And his hit on that at the time was, it was all positive vibes, good vibes.

01:27:06 >> Yeah.

01:27:08 >> So I'm saying this to be negative Nelly at all.

01:27:15 But like I said, I want the potheads, I want the character concern guys.

01:27:19 I want the guys that everyone thinks are bad, but

01:27:24 you know, that's nonsense.

01:27:29 >> Yeah, right, sure.

01:27:31 >> Boy, they're slipping and they've got first round.

01:27:34 I love the first round talents who fall to you because of stupid shit.

01:27:38 The character stuff is almost kinda like, she's nice.

01:27:43 >> Yeah, right.

01:27:45 >> I'd rather something else, that's just the way I view it.

01:27:48 Also, there's no such thing as an oyster scientist and you guys just got had.

01:27:51 Like that's not a real job, just so you know.

01:27:55 >> That's fair, that's fair.

01:27:57 Maybe we did, we'll probably go, hey, is your brother around?

01:28:00 Because I just said something that I just completely made up.

01:28:03 >> Tell them you're an oyster scientist.

01:28:05 Yeah, no, they believe it, they think it's real.

01:28:08 >> And then we go, everybody writes stories about it the next day.

01:28:11 And then you open the page of the Globe and the Herald tomorrow and

01:28:14 it's brother of Patriots freaking third round draft pick oyster scientist.

01:28:20 And it gets us off the stank of the fact that he's never played left tackle in

01:28:23 college before, he's a genius, he's a genius.

01:28:26 >> Yeah, look over here, Phil oyster scientist, and then we freaking did it.

01:28:31 Everyone figured it out.

01:28:33 So I'll bring in Taylor Kyle's here.

01:28:35 Taylor's been Googling oyster scientists to see

01:28:39 whether that's a potential career pivot here.

01:28:42 >> I may or may not have submitted an application on LinkedIn.

01:28:45 >> [LAUGH] >> So Taylor, here's our theory.

01:28:50 Everyone was so caught up in the fact that this dude had never played left tackle

01:28:54 in college that Elliot Wolfe was like, I need to take them off the scent and

01:28:58 tell them that there's brothers in oyster scientists.

01:29:01 So now nobody will question the fact that they're gonna put this guy left out.

01:29:06 >> It's not a real thing.

01:29:08 >> It's genius.

01:29:09 So now the front page of the Herald and the Globe tomorrow says,

01:29:11 brother of Patriot third round pick is an oyster scientist instead of.

01:29:14 >> Wait, biologist applied to oyster jobs in Rhode Island.

01:29:22 That's great.

01:29:24 My buddy is the CFO of Island Creek Oysters.

01:29:29 And I'm just gonna start referring to him as an oyster scientist from now on,

01:29:32 because I think that's a more suitable title for what he actually does.

01:29:36 He's an oyster doctor.

01:29:37 >> [LAUGH] >> He's an oyster doctor.

01:29:40 >> Oyster doctor.

01:29:41 >> [LAUGH] >> Taylor, what do you got?

01:29:44 What do you got before we put a bow on this?

01:29:46 We're into goofy, silly season here.

01:29:49 I kinda wanted to see when we got into the 90s,

01:29:51 if they might consider moving back up here.

01:29:54 But when they talked after the draft, you get the feeling that they're like,

01:29:58 did you guys watch Elliot Wolfe drive away?

01:30:01 >> Yeah, he was just in his car.

01:30:05 He was just on FaceTime, yeah.

01:30:07 >> No, he was actually, for what it's worth,

01:30:10 he seemed pretty eager to get back to the war room.

01:30:13 I don't think it necessarily means anything, but he was like, all right,

01:30:17 cool, I gotta get back.

01:30:18 So we'll see what happens.

01:30:19 I don't see it, but.

01:30:20 >> Okay.

01:30:21 >> So Taylor, what's- >> I'm gonna get straight back,

01:30:25 cuz Jabbawm Baker's still on the board, so I would very-

01:30:27 >> I know you wanna see it.

01:30:29 >> Yeah, that would make me very, very happy, but we'll see, we'll see.

01:30:35 >> No, I know you wanna see it.

01:30:37 Guys, anything else we wanna do here before we put a bow on this?

01:30:41 And again, with the caveat that we will 100% jump back on a stream,

01:30:46 if anything happens here and the Patriots do trade back in,

01:30:51 we'll be back and we will wrap it up.

01:30:55 But in the meantime, anything else you guys wanna hit on here?

01:30:59 >> I'm feeling better, and I know no one's gonna be surprised by this, but I-

01:31:02 >> That's the thing.

01:31:02 >> I'm feeling- >> You feel better about everything?

01:31:06 Are you okay?

01:31:06 >> Knowing that he was expected to play left tackle, I feel better.

01:31:09 At first, I thought, are they getting a right tackle right now?

01:31:13 What the hell is going on?

01:31:14 I'm looking at Dane Bruegler's big board.

01:31:17 The only guy who was ahead of him that was available was Kieran Emegagy.

01:31:20 He went shortly after.

01:31:22 And again, like I was talking about, that's kind of,

01:31:24 I feel like he's someone who's gonna be different from system to system.

01:31:27 And then Christian Jones, who frankly, I'm not a huge fan of.

01:31:30 I think he's really strictly a right tackle, not a left tackle.

01:31:33 So it really, and he was above Javon Foster.

01:31:36 Is he a reach?

01:31:37 I think you can argue that for sure.

01:31:39 But talking to him, it's easy to see why they liked him personality wise.

01:31:44 And he is an explosive athlete.

01:31:46 The scouting reports I'm reading on him, it's not really a lot of glaring flaws.

01:31:49 It's really more technique, and he's an older guy.

01:31:51 That's really it.

01:31:51 So I'm not as upset about it as I was.

01:31:55 Again, tape will decide how I ultimately feel, but

01:31:58 it definitely wasn't as outlandish as it seemed at first.

01:32:01 >> Yeah, Taylor, I was saying before he came on just that this feels like a huge

01:32:06 character draft for them.

01:32:07 Every single guy we went on a Zoom with and we talked to Drake last night.

01:32:11 These guys are just like genuine people.

01:32:13 And not that that can necessarily translate to the football field, but

01:32:18 bring in this new regime, bring in a new culture.

01:32:20 These guys are as much culture fits as they are scheme fits and

01:32:23 guys who they wanna see in the football field.

01:32:25 >> And that does matter.

01:32:26 If you're gonna overdraft him, I mean, I know it's laughable and all that.

01:32:31 >> I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm okay.

01:32:35 I am, I am, I am, I am.

01:32:36 It does matter, it does matter.

01:32:38 Not in place of talent, but it matters.

01:32:40 >> We just stumbled upon Caden Wallace.

01:32:41 They really are.

01:32:43 And one thing I was worried about was the arm length.

01:32:44 Brandon Thorne and

01:32:46 Dane Brubler both said that he uses his length well and does play long.

01:32:50 So I mean, that was the big thing that really scared me is he's clearly

01:32:55 an explosive athlete.

01:32:56 There's no question about that.

01:32:57 My thing was, wait, he's got pretty average arm length and he uses it well.

01:33:01 So I gave it my way too early grade on it.

01:33:04 I started at a C plus, but I looked at who else was available.

01:33:07 This is the position of need for them.

01:33:09 I moved it up to a B minus, moved it to a B minus.

01:33:12 Is that fair, Mike, you think?

01:33:14 >> Yes, no, B minus.

01:33:18 >> Is this fair?

01:33:20 Is this fair?

01:33:20 >> John Zanis, you are the worst.

01:33:23 I think it's fair.

01:33:23 I mean, I'll take it.

01:33:24 >> I think it's fair.

01:33:25 >> I'll take it.

01:33:26 >> Second.

01:33:27 >> [LAUGH] >> I think it's fair.

01:33:30 >> B minus, I'll even call it a B.

01:33:33 I completely have turned, I've 180'd on this pick since

01:33:38 hearing Wolf say that the plan is left tackle.

01:33:40 Cuz it means there's a plan.

01:33:42 It wasn't necessarily a panic pick thing as John drinks his mustard.

01:33:46 [LAUGH] >> And again, my God, Mike,

01:33:49 you and I use the exact same picture for Jalen Fulk's thing.

01:33:53 That's hilarious.

01:33:54 >> On the website?

01:33:55 >> Yeah, we'll figure it out, whatever.

01:33:59 But also the big thing for me, truly, that five position versatility.

01:34:04 I can't emphasize enough how huge that is.

01:34:06 There's not a lot of guys who can do that.

01:34:07 And that's what I think really, the character is one thing.

01:34:11 He did make a big jump this last year.

01:34:13 So with 24 year olds, you're like, all right, how much room does he have to grow?

01:34:17 This is a guy who showed that he got much better last season.

01:34:20 So with Scott Peters, you're hoping he can reach his ceiling,

01:34:22 like pad level was an issue.

01:34:24 Sustaining power, those are the big kind of bugaboos that I saw when watching him.

01:34:29 And also he kind of is susceptible to inside counters,

01:34:32 cuz sometimes he'll open his hips too early cuz he's trying to get outside.

01:34:36 Where you're probably worried about that at the left tackle spot.

01:34:38 We'll see if they can help shore it up.

01:34:41 My God, I want Javon Baker so badly.

01:34:42 Is he still on the board?

01:34:43 [LAUGH] >> Where is he?

01:34:45 >> Yeah, again, the five position thing is huge.

01:34:51 Especially if Chooks plays and is solid, you have a guy who can play.

01:34:55 Cole Strange is hurt.

01:34:57 If something happens to David Andrews, God forbid.

01:35:00 That left part of the offensive line does have some questions.

01:35:03 You have a guy who can play either one of those spots and

01:35:05 fill in at other places if he needs to.

01:35:06 So I like the pick much more than I did initially.

01:35:10 >> Okay, [LAUGH] this sounds like Cole Strange.

01:35:15 [LAUGH] I don't know about that.

01:35:18 But I hear you too.

01:35:21 As we said, is it possible, and I put this up earlier from, I lost it.

01:35:30 But Louis Riddick was another one who said, he's every bit as good as

01:35:36 the guy who played left tackle over there who went in the first round.

01:35:38 Which is what Wolfe said as well.

01:35:41 If that's the case, yeah, you might be in diamond in the rough territory.

01:35:46 But you don't necessarily know what's going on there.

01:35:49 Final thoughts here again before we wrap and we'll let these guys head off.

01:35:53 >> No, good.

01:35:54 >> And do the rest of their work.

01:35:56 And we will jump back in.

01:35:57 Yeah.

01:35:58 >> No, just pretty good haul.

01:35:59 The one thing I'll say too is that we're gonna hop on another Patriots

01:36:02 Pete Patsch Daily Crossover tomorrow morning at 10 AM.

01:36:04 So make sure you check that out here on Press Pass.

01:36:06 We're gonna do another recap on here.

01:36:07 So, Barth and Ryan joining.

01:36:10 >> You're gonna get Greg Bedard later tonight too after the draft.

01:36:14 He might be jumping on live live or it might be something that's gonna be

01:36:18 an overnight pod but you'll get Bedard and Cattles and their take as well.

01:36:22 Andrew Callahan had posted one earlier in the day reacting to the first pick as well.

01:36:28 So there's a lot of stuff but we're gonna keep it rolling tomorrow.

01:36:30 What time do we start noon?

01:36:32 >> No. >> Yes, sir.

01:36:33 >> So we're gonna kind of jump in and jump around certainly to start the fourth round

01:36:37 and then we'll kind of play it by ear.

01:36:38 You will absolutely see it.

01:36:40 John, don't say that.

01:36:41 You guys can't mess with us.

01:36:44 >> I'm not saying they traded in.

01:36:46 We can't do fake news.

01:36:48 >> That's mean.

01:36:48 >> It's a breach of trust here, okay?

01:36:53 >> Yeah. >> We rely on you guys for

01:36:55 actual information.

01:36:56 You mess with us like that, we're really screwed.

01:36:58 So don't do that.

01:36:58 >> And you also just make us sad.

01:37:00 >> Yeah.

01:37:02 >> Use me.

01:37:02 >> Yeah, it does make us sad.

01:37:06 >> Yeah, it's incorrect.

01:37:08 I just double checked.

01:37:09 Thanks, John. >> I know it is.

01:37:10 I know it is.

01:37:11 I'm on there too.

01:37:12 I've got it going on.

01:37:13 Real quick before we go, just by popular, maybe I'll just,

01:37:17 I'll have it as our going out guys.

01:37:18 You guys are good, right?

01:37:19 Done?

01:37:20 >> Yeah, all good.

01:37:21 See you tomorrow. >> We're gonna wrap.

01:37:22 We're gonna wrap.

01:37:23 Thank you. Before we go, we're gonna put this out.

01:37:25 People love this here.

01:37:26 This is a, people have been asking for it in the chat.

01:37:29 We're bringing back an oldie but goodie.

01:37:31 But since we mentioned Cole Strange, here's the Evan Lazar reaction.

01:37:34 >> They dressed to the corner.

01:37:36 >> Boy.

01:37:37 >> [LAUGH] >> Don't do it to me.

01:37:41 >> I don't know what to say.

01:37:42 The Patriots have drafted offensive lineman Cole Strange from Chattanooga.

01:37:49 >> [LAUGH] >> With the 29th pick in the draft.

01:37:52 >> They did it to us, Evan.

01:37:56 >> In my mind, it's a fourth round pick.

01:37:58 That the Patriots are taking here with the 29th pick.

01:38:04 I am trying to be as professional as I possibly can with this analysis and

01:38:09 not lose my head.

01:38:12 He is very experienced.

01:38:15 I can read my notes on him.

01:38:17 I had him as my eighth rated interior offensive lineman in the draft.

01:38:21 44 career starts, hyper aware and pass protection, good feel for the position.

01:38:26 Hand strength, outside hand strikes, makes it difficult to dent the corner on him.

01:38:31 Has great speed to work laterally and up to the second level.

01:38:34 Feet sustain and run through the blocks, good double team technique,

01:38:38 polished all around, loves looking for work.

01:38:41 They drafted a starting guard in the first round that, in my mind,

01:38:45 is a third or fourth round guy.

01:38:48 And this is a definition, in my opinion, of getting too cute with it.

01:38:53 There's just no other way to put it.

01:38:55 This Bill Belichick, for all the smoke that he blows up our you know what's

01:39:01 about how need doesn't matter, and you don't draft based off of need.

01:39:06 You draft based off of talent, and you draft based off of best player available.

01:39:11 I don't ever want to hear Bill Belichick say that to us ever again,

01:39:14 because it's a load of crap.

01:39:16 >> [LAUGH] >> It's an absolute load of crap.

01:39:18 >> [LAUGH] >> Evan now works for Bill, no he did.

01:39:24 But then months later, hired by the Patriots, and I was like,

01:39:28 I remember talking to Evan, he's like, yeah,

01:39:30 I don't think I'm gonna be able to say stuff like that anymore.

01:39:33 [LAUGH] But Evan's still critical and he still brings it over there.

01:39:37 No question about it, he gives you an honest take, but that one, boy.

01:39:40 >> I'm a couple bad drafts away from really going full Evan, and

01:39:44 it's just like no sunshine over here, we're giving you the pulling hard facts.

01:39:49 >> My God.

01:39:51 >> That's good.

01:39:52 >> Who threw that up there?

01:39:53 Ahmed, did you put that up there?

01:39:54 Throw it up again.

01:39:56 There it is.

01:39:58 We'll be live tomorrow before day three of the NFL draft.

01:40:00 Once again, will we hop on?

01:40:02 What's the last pick in this round?

01:40:04 What's the last pick?

01:40:05 >> I don't know, 90 something.

01:40:08 >> [INAUDIBLE]

01:40:18 Cuz we're getting close, we're getting close.

01:40:25 >> We are at 29, the Buccaneers.

01:40:30 >> And is Javon Baker still on the board?

01:40:33 He is?

01:40:35 >> He is.

01:40:37 Wait, so how many more picks in the round?

01:40:38 >> So we're at the 29th pick in the round, there are 37 picks in this round.

01:40:46 >> So we still have a little bit of time.

01:40:47 So seven, eight, eight picks left.

01:40:50 >> Eight picks, all right, we're gonna call it cuz we're out of gas and

01:40:53 like I said, these guys are just, Ahmed,

01:40:55 I don't know how to get this thing off the screen.

01:40:56 How did it even get here?

01:40:58 Seems gaudy.

01:41:00 Thank you, Jesus, it's so big and bulky.

01:41:03 Anyway, Patriots are done, they make two selections as we said, three overall.

01:41:09 Hey, quarterback receiver tackle, that's what you got.

01:41:12 Quarterback, Drake May, receiver, Jalen Polk.

01:41:16 Possible left tackle, Kaden Williams, Kaden Wallace, sorry, Kaden Wallace.

01:41:21 Two picks in the fourth round, we're back tomorrow to start it all off,

01:41:26 same exact thing.

01:41:27 We'll probably jump on right as the fourth round begins,

01:41:29 take you through both of those picks.

01:41:31 Then we're gonna peace out, we'll jump back in later and

01:41:33 wrap those final selections if anything else happens.

01:41:36 But that's what you can expect from us tomorrow, but

01:41:38 keep it on this channel for a ton more Patriots coverage.

01:41:41 Including maybe some more Mike and Taylor analysis and

01:41:43 as we said, Greg Bidard, Patriots podcast coming in.

01:41:47 Thank you guys for hanging out, we do appreciate it.

01:41:49 Once again, really good crowd here.

01:41:50 We will see you guys later, peace.

01:41:53 >> See you.

01:41:54 >> Bye.

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